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BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

27 May 2010 at 01:33 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Baphomet

Can someone confirm this?

Anet even gave one away in a competition once, i'm sure theyre fine. It just depend on the level of your macro.

In relation to the G15 Keyboard and Macros i've uncovered this information from old archives on wiki.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Jan_-_Feb_2008

Quote:

"The keyboard is fine, but as others cautioned, you should not get it so macro'd out that it auto-targets, auto-attacks, auto-picks-up-the-loot, and auto-brew-you-an-espresso-while-you-play.

- Gaile Gray"

Stating that just be cautious of this. Large macros that pretty much play the game for you in one hit is a no!

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Apr_-_Jun_2009

Quote:

"(Reset indent) Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding to this. It has indeed been a long while! What I did was present to the Live Team my thoughts on the matter, asking them for approval, modification, or rejection of the statements. Fortunately for all of us, they've approved the following:

* PvE Gamplay: As long as you are at your computer and are actively playing the game, we’re ok with what you’re doing. As soon as the game plays itself – as soon as you can walk away and the computer continues to play – you’re in breach of the Rules of Conduct and you are subject to account sanctions, which can involve an account suspension or an account termination.

* PvP Gameplay: The use of macros that give an advantage in competitive play is strictly prohibited and if it is reported and/or detected, we will research the activity and take the appropriate action on the account, which can affect both tournament eligibility and the account holder’s ability to continue to play Guild Wars, either with a temporary suspension or an account termination.

I hope that answers the questions that you have. I'm not able to give detailed responses to the various scenarios or systems or programs, but I think the information provided should enable you to figure out the official position in the various usages that were initially mentioned. -- Gaile 21:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC) "

Hope that helps

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

W/

27 May 2010 at 01:58 - 122

I missed all the fun

but thanks for the vid I lol
As too GWMulti or text mod I have used them and haven't been banned so IMO if you blame them for your banning
I really think you were doing something else fishy.

Banscythe Ruiz lol

Gabriel of Ravn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Virginia

None, retired to GW2.

W/A

27 May 2010 at 02:10 - 123

I've used the textmod and just ran someone from LA to Ascalon not even 2 hours ago so if you claim to have only used textmod just doesn't sound right to me.

Ghost Dog

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

27 May 2010 at 02:24 - 124

I love anet.

Since they can't be harsh I will, you botting faggots should go away now and spare us the same excuses we have endured for decades, you're just like a rich kid getting arrested you just can't comprehend that you are to be treated like everyone else.

Keep them coming.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

27 May 2010 at 02:25 - 125

Texmod won't get you banned. That is a client side only mod, and doesn't have ANYTHING to do with packet manipulation. So, if you are claiming you were banned for using Texmod... I call shenanigans

Also, Dhuum slaying the corrupt was by far the best thing ANET has ever done, period.

Gabriel of Ravn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Virginia

None, retired to GW2.

W/A

27 May 2010 at 02:28 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Also, Dhuum slaying the corrupt was by far the best thing ANET has ever done, period.

Agreed and because of your picture I imagined House saying that which I must say is pretty epic.

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

27 May 2010 at 02:32 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Texmod won't get you banned. That is a client side only mod, and doesn't have ANYTHING to do with packet manipulation. So, if you are claiming you were banned for using Texmod... I call shenanigans

Also, Dhuum slaying the corrupt was by far the best thing ANET has ever done, period.

Speaking of packet manipulation... Do you remember the links with the person spamming rank, zrank and aion wings? Do you possibly think such a mod (with it having zero "benefit" to the user) would be a bannable offense in your opinion even though it is packet manipulation?

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

27 May 2010 at 02:40 - 128

How many of those people smacked with the ban scythe, were standing there in outpost for hours being drunk. Possibly got people with auto-clickers? Obviously no advantage in game at all, except afk'ing and time title.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

27 May 2010 at 02:41 - 129

auto-clicker IS a bot

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

27 May 2010 at 02:44 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

auto-clicker IS a bot

Yep. Agreed.

BoxOfCox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

CA

Wars

27 May 2010 at 02:44 - 131

Autoclicker is to botting like HTML is to computer programming.

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

27 May 2010 at 02:51 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxOfCox

Autoclicker is to botting [b]as/[b] HTML is to programming.

Fixed it for you.

And btw... Botting, in essence, is similar to programming. So your analogy seems a bit off imo. :P

iTzF3aR

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

Blackwood Knights [BWK] Graveyard guild, RIP Guild Wars.

A/

27 May 2010 at 02:52 - 133

I'm starting to wonder now if they banned all the botters. It's not like they will be banning 3700 accounts per day. This may be the biggest thing we will see from this new "security gate" or so to speak.

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

27 May 2010 at 03:28 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Texmod won't get you banned. That is a client side only mod, and doesn't have ANYTHING to do with packet manipulation. So, if you are claiming you were banned for using Texmod... I call shenanigans

Also, Dhuum slaying the corrupt was by far the best thing ANET has ever done, period.

Good to hear! It's difficult to clear maps without Texmod when you have poor eyesight.

The Baphomet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2009

CST / UTC -6

In Memorium [iBot]

W/P

27 May 2010 at 04:40 - 135

I've heard rumors that they ban people on different accounts of the same IP. If I were to buy a new account after being perma'd for botting, would I be banned?

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

27 May 2010 at 05:04 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Baphomet

I've heard rumors that they ban people on different accounts of the same IP. If I were to buy a new account after being perma'd for botting, would I be banned?

Probably, but don't let that stop you from buying another account, ArenaNet could use the money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Scorpion Knight

I always seem to miss the interesting stuff, wish I could see it ingame.

Agreed, hopefully they'll keep Dhuum on the staff payroll, and set him lose whenever they issue a bot ban in future. As for banning players while they're offline... where is the fun in that? Wait until they're online then have Dhuum appear to dispense justice upon them...

Login... Dhuum... Banned. lolz for all who spectate.

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

27 May 2010 at 05:11 - 137

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Baphomet

I've heard rumors that they ban people on different accounts of the same IP. If I were to buy a new account after being perma'd for botting, would I be banned?

Probably. They really just got a list of IPs that downloaded from a few sites and banned the IPs.

Actually, it was probably just 1 site.

I mean, really, why would ANet suddenly ban 3700 people if they knew all these 3700 people were botting? Waiting for one giant, fear-mongering blow? ANet suddenly needed money (And mass bannings usually result in large amounts of accounts suddenly bought, as RMTs/addicts buy a new account)?

Nah, my guess is that someone leaked a list of IPs that recently downloaded from botting sites and just blanket-banned them.

This begs the question though. If they have the ability to ban by IP, why do they only ban accounts? 5 years in the game, you'd think by now that they'd have gotten most of them, yet wait in GToB for 5 minutes, and you'll see "WTB ACCOUNT 300K", etc.

vamp08

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

PA, USA

[COPY]

D/

27 May 2010 at 05:11 - 138

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

Probably, but don't let that stop you from buying another account, ArenaNet could use the money.

Agreed, hopefully they'll keep Dhuum on the staff payroll, and set him lose whenever they issue a bot ban in future. As for banning players while they're offline... where is the fun in that? Wait until they're online then have Dhuum appear to dispense justice upon them...

Login... Dhuum... Banned. lolz for all who spectate.

Use? Yes
Deserve? No (and not just because of the bans)

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

27 May 2010 at 05:19 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

Probably. They really just got a list of IPs that downloaded from a few sites and banned the IPs.

Actually, it was probably just 1 site.
snip

I really don't think Anet would be issuing mass bans based on a list of IP's that downloaded a bot, seriously...

Downloading a bot != Using a bot.

The Baphomet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2009

CST / UTC -6

In Memorium [iBot]

W/P

27 May 2010 at 05:22 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

Nah, my guess is that someone leaked a list of IPs that recently downloaded from botting sites and just blanket-banned them.

I have 3 accounts I've been playing on the same IP. Two aren't banned which I haven't even logged into with a .dll injected. But several people have told me their alts were banned.

I don't want to play my alts. I was seriously considering starting a fresh account, but I don't want to blow $40.

Edit: Agree with Nerel.

.HunTer

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

W/E

27 May 2010 at 05:23 - 141

OMG I missed it

Just imagine how humiliating...getting banned (killed by Dhuum) while 545974954+987897897897+9789451561 people watch it. (Kamadan)

lolz

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

27 May 2010 at 05:29 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

I really don't think Anet would be issuing mass bans based on a list of IP's that downloaded a bot, seriously...

Downloading a bot != Using a bot.

Why are you going to download a bot and not use it?

That's like saying "I bought this PS3, but I'm not going to play it. I'm just going to sit it in the corner and let it get dusty. Maybe I'll stare at it once and a while, but I'll never hook it up or take it out of the box."

Doesn't make much sense.

And if this is the case, then they have a pretty good shot at an appeal. Would also explain the amount of inappropriate bans (Excluding the ones feigning innocence.)

As I said before, large amounts of bannings produce a good bit of influx of cash for the company involved, just look at WoW. Their sales spike almost 200% shortly after they do a large ban (Almost every 6 months, iirc.)

Unless they suddenly invented a way to detect bots out the ass (Doubtful, at best), the best explanation is a list of accounts or IPs they just blanket banned. Otherwise, why wait? Why not ban these players as soon as they realized they were botting, instead of waiting X amount of days/weeks/months/years, which would have improved Anets credibility? Although, admittedly a lot less then this stunt.

Mireles

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

W/Me

27 May 2010 at 05:29 - 143

holy hell nice.... damn that job of mine for making me miss it

Edit: here a video... most epic shit ive ever seen... still looking for one in kamadan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fFYug8nXcM

silv3rr

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

27 May 2010 at 05:33 - 144

Is KSMod and GWx2/GW Multi-launch ok?? This got me kind of worried even though I'm enjoying this banning =p

Found this: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=153

Uhh I guess I'll just refrain from using KSMod.. that would suck but oh well. But it's going to be hard to not be able to access my mule account

mini pet monster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2010

E/Mo

27 May 2010 at 05:41 - 145

ksmod, gwx2, multilaunch are still good

Astralelf

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

E/Me

27 May 2010 at 05:41 - 146

This is so godly lol

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

27 May 2010 at 06:18 - 147

WHYYYYYY???????!!????

Why do these cool things happen only when I'm away from the computer

I wanna see this stuff!

Good job, Anet, and plese keep the method in the game - make it so that whenever someone is banned, Dhuum goes get him

And implement something like it for GW2

market

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2009

27 May 2010 at 07:25 - 148

so, lets say that I might have G15 keyboard, and Im trying to get Gwamm. But Im missing some minutes from Ale-hound. So my question is, if I macro my drunkard title, is it botting?

And second question, is minor macroing with G15 botting? With minor I mean small things like drunkard

third one: Textmod, change IG graphics, so it legal or not?

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

27 May 2010 at 07:34 - 149

Key thing you need to ask yourself: does whatever I'm cunningly planning achieve automation of the process? If the answer is yes, you're most likely already moving off in the wrond direction and should at least contact support before doing it.

People focus too much on the means and forget that it's the end result that is a problem.

BlueXIV

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

CA

N/

27 May 2010 at 07:52 - 150

About the ban on IPs, I can guarantee that anet did not just take the access IPs from that one site and banned them all. First of all, it would be illegal and very difficult to do. And second, I admit I downloaded the bot source because I was curious to see how they did it. I didn't use it at all, and my account was perfectly fine.

And second, it seems to me like Anet blanket banned [DL] without regard to who was botting. My friend who doesn't even play anymore, someone that I'm 100% sure doesn't bot got banned most likely from just being in [DL]. My other friend and I were kicked recently for inactivity, and didn't get blanket banned. That's the only reason I can think of that flapjack and my friend got banned (although I have to admit, [DL] was a bot nest lol).

ANet isn't perfect, and I hope to see that the people who were wrongly banned get their account restored.

Mangione

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

27 May 2010 at 08:12 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by market

so, lets say that I might have G15 keyboard, and Im trying to get Gwamm. But Im missing some minutes from Ale-hound. So my question is, if I macro my drunkard title, is it botting?

Stay on the safe side.
If you are in doubt, do it the legit way.

Heck, you people want the title but don't want to do the work involved into getting it.
If it is such a burden that you need to resort to automation, then probably it isn't for you.

mini pet monster

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2010

E/Mo

27 May 2010 at 08:17 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by market

so, lets say that I might have G15 keyboard, and Im trying to get Gwamm. But Im missing some minutes from Ale-hound. So my question is, if I macro my drunkard title, is it botting?

And second question, is minor macroing with G15 botting? With minor I mean small things like drunkard

third one: Textmod, change IG graphics, so it legal or not?

you wouldn't have got banned in this episode. and as long as you don't tell someone to report you while you drunk bot, its safe

StormX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

E/Mo

27 May 2010 at 08:28 - 153

HOly crap, I was in school and missed it. Can it...can it be true? (Somehow seems too good to be true. Ima log into JQ and see if the usual offenders are still there)

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

[CAT]

Mo/

27 May 2010 at 08:43 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

Why are you going to download a bot and not use it?

That's like saying "I bought this PS3, but I'm not going to play it. I'm just going to sit it in the corner and let it get dusty. Maybe I'll stare at it once and a while, but I'll never hook it up or take it out of the box."

Doesn't make much sense.

And if this is the case, then they have a pretty good shot at an appeal. Would also explain the amount of inappropriate bans (Excluding the ones feigning innocence.)

As I said before, large amounts of bannings produce a good bit of influx of cash for the company involved, just look at WoW. Their sales spike almost 200% shortly after they do a large ban (Almost every 6 months, iirc.)

Unless they suddenly invented a way to detect bots out the ass (Doubtful, at best), the best explanation is a list of accounts or IPs they just blanket banned. Otherwise, why wait? Why not ban these players as soon as they realized they were botting, instead of waiting X amount of days/weeks/months/years, which would have improved Anets credibility? Although, admittedly a lot less then this stunt.

Okies, so no technically minded person ever downloaded a bot just so they could see the code, to see how it works, to understand what they're up against?

No player ever downloaded a bot, but then thought better of actually risking their account by using it?

No, of course not, impossible!

Where in the EULA does it say you can't download third party software or bots? I know you can't use them, but where does it say you can't download them but not use them? Yeah, right...

Onto your PS3 comment, yeah, nobody ever bought a PS3 and just used it for a Bluray player back when they were a fraction of the price of a standalone Bluray player did they? Oh wait, yes they did. Not that your example makes any sense... multi hundred dollar piece of hardware versus a free download, uh huh...

Banning based solely on an IP list of bot downloaders would also be contrary to what Anet assures us is there standard practice of INVESTIGATING their server logs to make sure they are correct in issuing the bans. Throwing out blanket bans and then having to deal with the shit load of bad publicity and the incredible amount of support time needed to deal with all the indignant wrongly accused people would be far more expensive than just investigating the server logs and following up on player reports.

I can't believe Anet would be that stupid, and even by Guru standards I'm still having trouble believing that you seemingly are.

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

27 May 2010 at 09:25 - 155

Ooooooh I missed this I would have loved to see this happen.

C4RB1N3

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Looking For One.

Mo/

27 May 2010 at 09:36 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pale-Dim

Something similar to this happened in AION. They used a giant Hamster instead. but same end effect. too bad i missed it. Keep up the good work.

Your referring to an Elroko :P

and those were GM controlled chars and they only banned about..15 people doing that.

Anon-e-mouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

@ Home

League Of Friends [LOF]

R/Mo

27 May 2010 at 09:57 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

Unless they suddenly invented a way to detect bots out the ass (Doubtful, at best), the best explanation is a list of accounts or IPs they just blanket banned. Otherwise, why wait? Why not ban these players as soon as they realized they were botting, instead of waiting X amount of days/weeks/months/years, which would have improved Anets credibility? Although, admittedly a lot less then this stunt.

U do realise that it's not that hard to write a program, that details what's running on your PC and sends that information through the internet. You've already allowed GW's net access, and it's already running..

Pog Mo Thon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Shhh, it's a secret.

[PikY]

Me/Mo

27 May 2010 at 10:08 - 158

I can can has Dhumms job please?

Will work for cookies.

tmakinen

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

www.mybearfriend.net

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

E/

27 May 2010 at 10:16 - 159

Quote:

Originally Posted by market

so, lets say that I might have G15 keyboard, and Im trying to get Gwamm. But Im missing some minutes from Ale-hound. So my question is, if I macro my drunkard title, is it botting?

It can be, but it doesn't have to be, depending on your macro. The issue is very clear-cut and doesn't take a university degree to understand. If your macro keeps downing ale while you are afk then it's a bot and you risk account termination. On the other hand, a macro that opens the inventory, quaffs a drink and closes the inventory only when you press a hotkey is not a bot.

SunfallE

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2009

West Texas

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

R/Rt

27 May 2010 at 10:29 - 160

My only regret is that I didn't get to see Dhumm in person. I would have loved to see that happen to someone. lol The video was totally awesome though.