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Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

17 Jun 2010 at 16:02 - 361

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I hope it works out for you. Was this program like the achievement faker thing that is all over WOW?

edit: you may want to remove your real name from the above posts, call me paranoid but it would not hurt.

Dont know if it is all over wow, but it is the achievement faker yes. (But remember it's only local, other people cant see it)
And i dont really mind if people know my real name, but thanks for the sugestion.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

17 Jun 2010 at 16:53 - 362

People in WOW are using it to get in raiding parties by faking the achievements. Not an issue with GW from what I have read.

I lost years of stuff in Diablo 2 so I feel for you, again I hope it works out for you.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

17 Jun 2010 at 17:01 - 363

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

People in WOW are using it to get in raiding parties by faking the achievements.

Isn't that like buying your r9 back in the day? (ie: the instant you join Vent, everyone realizes you're not r9, screams GTFO and leader kicks you so far that you bounce?)

Or are things less sophisticated/less dependent on voice chat over there?

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

17 Jun 2010 at 17:49 - 364

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

Finally a little spark of hope.
Gaile Gray decided to look into my banning.
Seems they can be human when they want too.

I have mailed her all the info she asked for and now i will just have to wait.

I take back anything bad I said about anet on the issue.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

17 Jun 2010 at 19:23 - 365

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Isn't that like buying your r9 back in the day? (ie: the instant you join Vent, everyone realizes you're not r9, screams GTFO and leader kicks you so far that you bounce?)

Or are things less sophisticated/less dependent on voice chat over there?

I believe you are correct. Not sure if WOW raiders are kicking the fakers out. Since I do not play WOW and only keep a wandering eye on things I cannot speak to the voice chat. Looking at some WOW forums about Faker I saw no mention of people being booted after faking.

If it is true what eric has stated and only the faker himself can see it on GW it seems pretty harmless. Keyword seems...

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

17 Jun 2010 at 21:21 - 366

Seems...indeed.

Those claiming to only use PaketFakor are not telling the whole story.

PaketFackor injects the same graphics.dll that the injecting botters used. It used the Guild Wars Client API. It used the same means in interacting with guild wars as the bot scripts.

THATS WHY THEY GOT BANNED

If Anet allows this to be an excuse, get ready for each and every one of those botters to claim that they only used PaketFakor.

Anet...keep PaketFakor users banned.

Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

17 Jun 2010 at 21:37 - 367

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Seems...indeed.

Those claiming to only use PaketFakor are not telling the whole story.

PaketFackor injects the same graphics.dll that the injecting botters used. It used the Guild Wars Client API. It used the same means in interacting with guild wars as the bot scripts.

THATS WHY THEY GOT BANNED

If Anet allows this to be an excuse, get ready for each and every one of those botters to claim that they only used PaketFakor.

Anet...keep PaketFakor users banned.

Can i ask what i did to hurt you ??
They can see in their log files that i am not even farming, that i had a long break before returning to actively playing the Kryta quests.
I am not even playing pvp they can see that in their log files too.

Read all my posts in here and then explain to me why Gaile is even going to look into this if i did actually bot in-game.

Yes other people might try the same road, but the log files would work against them if they actually botted.
Check the following link as an example : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...ssues#Error_45
Gaile actually told that guy straight on that he botted, they can check log files.

I am actually glad they are looking into this and i did learn my lesson about 3rd party applications.
But to say i should have a permanent ban for just that.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

17 Jun 2010 at 23:45 - 368

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

I am actually glad they are looking into this and i did learn my lesson about 3rd party applications.

I'm glad they did too. Hope you'll get your situation sorted.

PaketFakor manipulates data packets, so it's theoretically an hack, but then again, it's a completely harmless one.

Mmmh... Thorny situation. Keep us updated!

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Jun 2010 at 03:36 - 369

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

Can i ask what i did to hurt you ??
They can see in their log files that i am not even farming, that i had a long break before returning to actively playing the Kryta quests.
I am not even playing pvp they can see that in their log files too.

Any injury to myself is the same visted on any other player. It doesn't matter what you "claim" you did, since you used PaketFakor you also used Guild Wars Client API. A reason alone why you should be banned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

Read all my posts in here and then explain to me why Gaile is even going to look into this if i did actually bot in-game.

Simply because many botters are also claiming to "only" have used PacketFakor. They think because it is only client side "like texmod", they can use it as an excuse to hide their other botting activity and use of GWCA. I'll bet you sure didn't link Gaile to the author's post on the hacking site where PaketFakor is published....for good reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

Yes other people might try the same road, but the log files would work against them if they actually botted.
Check the following link as an example : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...ssues#Error_45
Gaile actually told that guy straight on that he botted, they can check log files.

I am actually glad they are looking into this and i did learn my lesson about 3rd party applications.
But to say i should have a permanent ban for just that.

The bots that were caught all used the graphics.dll injection and GWCA. So did Paketfakor. What did you expect from software that was released by a bot scripter? If you knew how to load it, you sure as hell knew where it came from. You won the prize for 3rd Party applications. Perm ban. That's your lesson...

p.s.

The author of PaketFakor even warned people it's use was at your own risk......squirm out of that.

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

18 Jun 2010 at 04:37 - 370

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Any injury to myself is the same visted on any other player. It doesn't matter what you "claim" you did, since you used PaketFakor you also used Guild Wars Client API. A reason alone why you should be banned.

Simply because many botters are also claiming to "only" have used PacketFakor. They think because it is only client side "like texmod", they can use it as an excuse to hide their other botting activity and use of GWCA. I'll bet you sure didn't link Gaile to the author's post on the hacking site where PaketFakor is published....for good reason.

The bots that were caught all used the graphics.dll injection and GWCA. So did Paketfakor. What did you expect from software that was released by a bot scripter? If you knew how to load it, you sure as hell knew where it came from. You won the prize for 3rd Party applications. Perm ban. That's your lesson...

p.s.

The author of PaketFakor even warned people it's use was at your own risk......squirm out of that.

Well I guess it's good the decision isn't up to you then huh? Gaile seems to think this guy might have gotten hit unfairly. I would wait for the jury to be out before I hit the ceiling with assholery.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

18 Jun 2010 at 06:16 - 371

Quote:

Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

Well I guess it's good the decision isn't up to you then huh? Gaile seems to think this guy might have gotten hit unfairly.

Wrong. Gaile is not here to greenlight programs. She specifically said in her response that she simply wants to investigate the program in question, probably so that Anet could make an official announcement/position warning against the use of the program.

Secondly, as previously mentioned, this would set a precedent that would enable actual botters to claim they only used the program Emunator used. Yes, Anet could probably manually check game records, but imagine having to do that 3,700 times or more if you include the fact that many of the botters will be spamming Anet with messages of "I'm innocent!"

Emunator, you used a 3rd party program. Anet's position has always been that you use them at your own risk. Nothing beyond that simple fact matters. Other than texmod, there is really no legitimate reason to claim that you needed a third party program.

I also find it very convenient, Emunator, that you claim your account was accessed by another person yet apparently never opened up a ticket about the incident according to Gaile's initial search.

But hell, they can let all the botters back into the game for all I care, Anet isn't getting more of my money. This is all on their dime anyways!

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

18 Jun 2010 at 06:27 - 372

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Wrong. Gaile is not here to greenlight programs. She specifically said in her response that she simply wants to investigate the program in question, probably so that Anet could make an official announcement/position warning against the use of the program.

Quote:

My actions may not change the outcome, but I thought it would be worthwhile to research this on several levels.

If there's a guarantee nothing would change she would have said that.

Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

18 Jun 2010 at 08:21 - 373

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

I also find it very convenient, Emunator, that you claim your account was accessed by another person yet apparently never opened up a ticket about the incident according to Gaile's initial search.

That happened in the beginning of 2009, they deleted a lot of tickets for security reasons during the time that the ncsoft accounts seemed to be hacked easily.
They did delete tickets that had scanned access keys and such.

I also can tell that i received another mail from Gaile, not posting them since there is information in it that is personal.
She is still looking into my account and asked for more information.
I will keep you guys posted when i have more information.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Jun 2010 at 16:33 - 374

Quote:

Originally Posted by belshazaarswrath

Well I guess it's good the decision isn't up to you then huh? Gaile seems to think this guy might have gotten hit unfairly. I would wait for the jury to be out before I hit the ceiling with assholery.

I smell ass, and it's from your mouth. Stop talking shit.

I posted exactly why this person was banned. I highly suspect any further information that person provided Gaile left out where he really got the software from. By the very nature of how this particular script worked is reason enough for the ban.

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

18 Jun 2010 at 17:47 - 375

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Other than texmod, there is really no legitimate reason to claim that you needed a third party program.

High Rez armors in outposts? Running 2 accounts at the same time?

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

but imagine having to do that 3,700 times or more

Split between 4 people thats not even 1000 per person. Imagine having to open 10,000 chests, ID 10,000 gold items, 10,000 drunk minutes or gain 10,000,000 faction twice! :P & we dont even get paid to do that (well most of us dont), we paid to do it lol :P

Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

18 Jun 2010 at 19:02 - 376

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

I smell ass, and it's from your mouth. Stop talking shit.

I posted exactly why this person was banned. I highly suspect any further information that person provided Gaile left out where he really got the software from. By the very nature of how this particular script worked is reason enough for the ban.

I actually told Gaile where i did get the software from, but not posting that here since people might get banned for using it.
Now please stop trolling/flaming since i actually am showing what support is doing.
I am trying to be unbiased as possible wich is hard enough for me since i did get banned.
Yes i should have stayed away from 3rd party applications like that, but i did nothing that would have hurt the economy or anyone else.
I just enjoyed the game like a lot of other people.

But whatever way you look at it from my opinion, i do not deserve a permanent ban for the thing i did.

Yes they should permanently ban gold traders and or botters, i totally agree on that.
But they should also check the logs, manually or automatic so they wont ban people that do no wrong to others.

I really hope that in GW2 they give us an add-on system like in World of Warcraft for example, so it will be easier to distinguish right from wrong.

But please do not be as small minded as you are now at the moment, it does not help anyone.

belshazaarswrath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

AMP

18 Jun 2010 at 19:21 - 377

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

I smell ass, and it's from your mouth. Stop talking shit.

I posted exactly why this person was banned. I highly suspect any further information that person provided Gaile left out where he really got the software from. By the very nature of how this particular script worked is reason enough for the ban.

According to you...but they are looking into it. Which means there's a chance of them proving he didn't do anything wrong.

I don't see how you aren't understanding this...

You may be right and he may remain banned...or he may not. That's all I'm saying.

I don't understand why you have to be such a dick about all this. It's not like any of this affects you in any way.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

18 Jun 2010 at 19:24 - 378

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Emunator, you used a 3rd party program. Anet's position has always been that you use them at your own risk. Nothing beyond that simple fact matters. Other than texmod, there is really no legitimate reason to claim that you needed a third party program.

It is not against the rules to use 3rd party software while playing Guild Wars. It is against the rules to use 3rd party software that gives you an advantage, alters or influences the client or server, or automates play. It is also against the rules to use 3rd party software whenever they decide it is, just to cover any other unforeseen use. I use third party software in Guild Wars, and I assure you there is a legitimate reason for doing so. I couldn't care less about losing support, since in my case they are not helpful in the least, and I accept full responsibility for the very marginal risk of using it.

On topic, I have emailed support and received a series of automated nonsense non-answers before receiving a satisfactory reply. I have no idea if the final response was pre-written or not, however.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

18 Jun 2010 at 20:23 - 379

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuD

High Rez armors in outposts? Running 2 accounts at the same time?

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that you had to be able to see everyone's armors in high resolution in outposts to enjoy the game. And I also forgot that you had to be able to run 2 accounts at once so you could get a mini polar bear in order to enjoy the game.

While I find it asinine for you to claim that you "need" these things in order to play, these aren't even the programs Anet has been banning for. Ironically, you can use them in their original, unmodified versions. However, if your priorities are going up to people in Lions to look at their armor in Hi-Res and running multiple accounts to farm for MPB's or avoid grouping with other people, I think you're missing the point of the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

It is not against the rules to use 3rd party software while playing Guild Wars.

I never said it was. I said it was use at your own risk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

I use third party software in Guild Wars, and I assure you there is a legitimate reason for doing so.

Please, elaborate. Because frankly I see anything more than texmod as a blatant way to bypass game mechanics that have been put in place for a reason. Even texmod does this to an extent, but not nearly as drastically as others such as the multi-client launcher.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

I accept full responsibility for the very marginal risk of using it.

This is what I like to hear...since it is and has always been use at your own risk.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

18 Jun 2010 at 20:27 - 380

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Please, elaborate.

No. It's none of your business. It is a matter between myself, ArenaNet, and NCSoft, and it does not concern you or anyone else. I have already emailed them.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Jun 2010 at 20:29 - 381

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

I actually told Gaile where i did get the software from, but not posting that here since people might get banned for using it.
Now please stop trolling/flaming since i actually am showing what support is doing.
I am trying to be unbiased as possible wich is hard enough for me since i did get banned.
Yes i should have stayed away from 3rd party applications like that, but i did nothing that would have hurt the economy or anyone else.
I just enjoyed the game like a lot of other people.

But whatever way you look at it from my opinion, i do not deserve a permanent ban for the thing i did.

You used GWCA. No matter what your intentions were or how it affected other players...you should be banned for good.

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

18 Jun 2010 at 20:37 - 382

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that you had to be able to see everyone's armors in high resolution in outposts to enjoy the game. And I also forgot that you had to be able to run 2 accounts at once so you could get a mini polar bear in order to enjoy the game.

While I find it asinine for you to claim that you "need" these things in order to play

I dont HAVE to see high rez armors to enjoy the game, its a nice add on that prevents me from having to go to another website to see armor the way it would look on my character & not some small shotty screenshot taken from someones low spec'd PC. And who wants to look at crappy textures when they dont have to anyways?

I dont run 2 accounts to get a MPB, I cba to farm that quest on one account let alone 2 or more. I run 2 accounts to trade inventory between my accounts, with the insecurities of the NCSoft site in the past, my 2nd account is not tied to NCSoft, so if anyone does get my info from NCSoft, at least I know my shinies will be safe.

I find it asinine that you assume the worst from people, especially people you dont even know.

Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

18 Jun 2010 at 21:19 - 383

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

You used GWCA. No matter what your intentions were or how it affected other players...you should be banned for good.

GWCA could you please type what you mean, i am not an english/american guy and i don not know all shorts in typing.

And i used paket fakor, does not sound like GWCA at all.

And my best guess is you used texmod at one time at least, you and all other people doing that should be banned too.
Or the people that used KSmod or Guildwars multi launcher, let's not make exceptions for anyone.

So now please stop your trolling/flaming.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

18 Jun 2010 at 21:58 - 384

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emunator

And i used paket fakor, does not sound like GWCA at all.

GWCA stands for Guild Wars Client API. API in turn stands for Application Programming Interface.

GWCA is likely the API around which most bots are based, and probably PaketFakor too.

As I said before, you're no cheater, but still used forbidden software. Cheating is a purely game (and ethic) issue. Bots are forbidden because they force/hack/manipulate data transmission during the client/server communication.

A bot could be programmed not to give any actual game advantage - like, say, a bot just to automate your character going in circles - but you'd still be banned for using it, for the reason mentioned above.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Jun 2010 at 22:20 - 385

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

GWCA stands for Guild Wars Client API. API in turn stands for Application Programming Interface.

GWCA is likely the API around which most bots are based, and probably PaketFakor too.

As I said before, you're no cheater, but still used forbidden software. Cheating is a purely game (and ethic) issue. Bots are forbidden because they force/hack/manipulate data transmission during the client/server communication.

A bot could be programmed not to give any actual game advantage - like, say, a bot just to automate your character going in circles - but you'd still be banned for using it, for the reason mentioned above.

Exactly.

I'd like to know how he used PaketFakor without it. In fact I downloaded it to take a look, and sure enough....plain as day.....there it was. He's lying about not knowing what it is.

I think I'll have to open a support ticket c/o Gaile Gray to address this fraud.

Ka Tet

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]

18 Jun 2010 at 22:29 - 386

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Exactly.

I'd like to know how he used PaketFakor without it. In fact I downloaded it to take a look, and sure enough....plain as day.....there it was. He's lying about not knowing what it is.

I think I'll have to open a support ticket c/o Gaile Gray to address this fraud.

I hope you get banned for your curiosity,

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Jun 2010 at 22:51 - 387

Quote:

Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I hope you get banned for your curiosity,

lol...

Since I'd have to execute the code in a game enviroment before it was Anet's business what I have on my computer's hard drive, fat chance.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

18 Jun 2010 at 22:53 - 388

Quote:

Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I hope you get banned for your curiosity,

Stop being a bitter botter.

I can't see anything wrong with him downloading some files and looking at them, however downloading something and actually USING it for even one minute SHOULD get that person banned no matter what.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

19 Jun 2010 at 13:58 - 389

Emunator, you should not get your hopes up if faker is using the API. That program is bad mojo, a very powerful tool responsible for an array of cheats.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

19 Jun 2010 at 19:40 - 390

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

It is against the rules to use 3rd party software that gives you an advantage, alters or influences the client or server, or automates play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Please, elaborate. Because frankly I see anything more than texmod as a blatant way to bypass game mechanics that have been put in place for a reason.

Texmod can be used to provide specific in-game advantages. Does this mean it's exploitative?

stretchs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

Untimely Demise [Err了] - SOHK

22 Jun 2010 at 02:24 - 391

One of the oddities that I have seen is, Gaile has created a new bot info page, and they said the reason all bot bans were unappealable is that there was no way to remove the gains by them. Of course if we look at previous dealings with massive bots, the HFFF bots which abused and sodomized the economy at that time, those people were give 2 week removals then most were allowed back in game with no removal of items. While I dont support anyone cheating, I do see it a bit two faced to see them deal with these items completely differently but both broke the economy and rules equally.

BoxOfCox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2009

CA

Wars

22 Jun 2010 at 06:54 - 392

Cheaters gonna cheat.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

22 Jun 2010 at 07:17 - 393

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Texmod can be used to provide specific in-game advantages. Does this mean it's exploitative?

If you're going to quote me, do it in full context. I said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

Please, elaborate. Because frankly I see anything more than texmod as a blatant way to bypass game mechanics that have been put in place for a reason. Even texmod does this to an extent, but not nearly as drastically as others such as the multi-client launcher.

The fact, as I understand it, is that Emunator and others used programs which interacted with the client on a very technical, manipulating level and could be used for bots or bot-like programs. However, Texmod only changes the skins for the individual within the game. Texmod can be used to gain some advantages, but it is not explicitly voiding the EULA.

As Anet has always said they will not pursue those who use texmod since it only changes skins for the individual and cannot be used to directly affect anything within the game (I hope you know the meaning of directly here). Here is the official statement, compliments to Sojar:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anet

Players know that we have not targeted "benign" software—the kind that does not give a player any sort of in-game advantage—and that we have no intentions of doing so in the future. Further, we can make it clear that we do not believe it is in our interest to specifically target the users of software of this sort. But that's as far as our reassurances can go.

These other programs interacted in the game in ways that either did or could have been used to directly give players an advantage, such as bots. Anet never said any program was approved, only that texmod was given a pass with a sort of "salutary neglect." These other programs fell under Anet's presumption of use them at your own risk. Ignorance of knowing whether or not a program you used could have been used maliciously doesn't get you off the hook. Play the game normally and you won't have this issue. No one "falsely" banned deserves their account back. It seems there are a few genuine cases of people who got banned for no reason, but all of you claiming it is "unfair" are only complaining cause you got caught.

Take your toys and leave, seriously.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

22 Jun 2010 at 08:10 - 394

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

If you're going to quote me, do it in full context. I said:

The fact, as I understand it, is that Emunator and others used programs which interacted with the client on a very technical, manipulating level and could be used for bots or bot-like programs. However, Texmod only changes the skins for the individual within the game. Texmod can be used to gain some advantages, but it is not explicitly voiding the EULA.

As Anet has always said they will not pursue those who use texmod since it only changes skins for the individual and cannot be used to directly affect anything within the game (I hope you know the meaning of directly here). Here is the official statement, compliments to Sojar:

These other programs interacted in the game in ways that either did or could have been used to directly give players an advantage, such as bots. Anet never said any program was approved, only that texmod was given a pass with a sort of "salutary neglect." These other programs fell under Anet's presumption of use them at your own risk. Ignorance of knowing whether or not a program you used could have been used maliciously doesn't get you off the hook. Play the game normally and you won't have this issue. No one "falsely" banned deserves their account back. It seems there are a few genuine cases of people who got banned for no reason, but all of you claiming it is "unfair" are only complaining cause you got caught.

Take your toys and leave, seriously.

That was a lot of hostility for a total nonanswer to my post.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

22 Jun 2010 at 08:53 - 395

Texmod is not detectable anyway. Not until Anet can install a probe in your video card framebuffer, that is.

Used in some unintended ways (such as for cartography) Texmod does indeed provide advantages, but still, there's nothing Anet can do against it. Is it exploitative? Maybe. If you were Anet, would you enforce the RoC and ban people who took the shortcut for easier cartography? Well, if the rules are to be taken literally, I would, even if it sounds a bit drastic, so, why not? Is there any way for Anet to tell wether people were using Texmod or not? No. End of story.

As long as the advantages provided by an undetectable, purely client-side mod are that minor, I really can't see the reason for this much fuss.

Motoko

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Dallas, Texas

Zero Quality [zQ] /[LaG]/[USA]/[iQ]

A/E

22 Jun 2010 at 09:24 - 396

Yes lemming, its exploitative.

Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

22 Jun 2010 at 20:25 - 397

Well Gaile is still looking into my ban, did just get another mail from her.
I'm really glad to see that she is actually trying to do something.

Still hoping for the best.

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

23 Jun 2010 at 08:02 - 398

@ Lemming: As Gladiator said, yes it is exploitative. Frankly though, the fullest extent it can interact with the game (changing only skins in a client-side manner) doesn't make it cross the line of being worth Anet's time to puruse. However, that is purely my opinion and I can understand why some may disagree.

However, other programs such as this faktor and others Emunator used clearly cross the line. I don't know much about the technical aspect, but they interfere with the game on a much deeper level than simply "changing skins" like Texmod does, specifically through injection of .dll I hear. Because these programs have much more potential to be used in malicious ways such as botting, I find statements like this:

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Well Gaile is still looking into my ban, did just get another mail from her.
I'm really glad to see that she is actually trying to do something.

Still hoping for the best.

to be arrogant. I can't imagine the nerve. No you didn't "cheat," but you are guilty of using a program that injected .dll as you yourself stated. Maybe you were unaware of the potential maliciousness of said program, but that's like saying you didn't see the posted speed limit. The burden of proof is really on you to check out what you put on your computer, and when in doubt do not use third party programs. How much more simple could it get?

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

23 Jun 2010 at 14:34 - 399

Can someone please explain to me how you email gaile grey, for i hold no hope in what i've heard about the support system and i'm virgin to it.

I tried looking at the wiki system but i am a complete wiki virgin and have no idea where i'd start...

My story - "Only 3rd party use is texmod perhaps a year or two ago to see how it worked before i decided i couldnt be bothered with pve titles, and i frequently use gwx2. I tried Kuntz' ut99 thing but got rid of it soon after. I have never had any infringements on my accounts.

I got back to my parents house having moved back from university for my summer holiday. GW worked fine when i moved back, next day i leave to austria to work with my dad for 10 days and retuned today.

Attempted to logon to guild wars to find my parents house's IP address has been banned from accessing guild wars for multiple user agreement infractions (error code 224)..."

Sorry what? My first inclination is that i've been hacked but then that doesnt make much sense with the IP ban or does it?

I can imagine maybe the .dll for kuntz's mod may have tricked up their banning thing but really can't imagine that's justification for an IP Ban?

I've not recieved any emails from ncsoft saying my accounts been banned which i'd imagine is what happens?

But yeah any help in talking to gaile would be very much appreciated. I'm currently filling in a support ticket.

Apologies that this is a QQ what the hell has happened post but i have no idea where i put my efforts.

Emunator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

DVDF

Mo/E

23 Jun 2010 at 16:34 - 400

@fowlero that sounds really bad.
I dont think a-net goes to ip bans whitout a very good reason to be hounest.
Since error 224 is an ip-ban.

But for resolving this you should start out with a ticket first at http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsof...nduser/ask.php