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Luny´s OP
Do you wonder what the game's maximum and now minimum possible damage, energy, armor, etc. for each requirement level are? We do, too! Let's keep notes!- This is a work in progress showing the max and min stats we've found so far for drops by requirement (or widely understood/known max values.) If you find a better version, post us a screenshot and tell us when and where it dropped!
- Please be detailed when posting a new record here! We need ...
- to know if the item dropped before or after the release of the Nightfall campaign. (The drop tables seem to have changed when NF was released. Stats from gear that dropped before NF are are listed "Pre NF." It is unlikely that we'll complete the max stats by requirement for every Pre NF item. It is even less likely that we'll ever determine if there was a difference before and after NF for the min stats by req.)
- a picture! Take a screenshot if at all possible and include it with your post. If you really have no way to take shots yourself, ask in your post - perhaps someone from this thread can meet you in game and take the picture from a trade window.
- Not quite sure if your item sets a new record? Please do go ahead and post a picture with what you know about when and where it dropped. It's better to risk posting something that isn't a new record that risk missing out on something that is!
- Even junky white, blue and purple drops may show us info on the actual minimums and maximums in the game's programming, so keep an eye on those and feel free to post shots.
- Pay attention to both the min and max damage listed, as there may be multiple records for any given req. (For example, 6-25 and 7-24 for the same req. axe.) Staffs are a special case, as they have three built-in stats: HSR, energy and damage. Even if your staff has only one stat that breaks a current record, please post it.
- We will list the best and worst stat(s) we find for each req. level. If you get an item drop with the same stats as are already pictured here you're certainly allowed to post a pic, but the list will usually include a link to only the first posted pic of the record-breaking (max or min) stats found so far. The Gallery in a single post may or may not ever be compiled.
For items which still drop today,
we believe there is no difference between inscribable and inherent sources when it comes to the range of stats for any given requirement level. Based on the data we've seen there was apparent consensus in discussion before the
Jan. 23, 2012 update, and we decided we had enough data to support that theory. From this update forward we no longer track inscribable and inherent source area loot separately.
We're also curious to find the minimum req. items can still drop with gold text. So let's see some screenshots of current
gold-text loot drops for every req., every weapon and see if we can't find the current limits. Ideally, show us screenshots of unidentified gold loot still on the ground "Assigned to" someone so there is no question that they're recent. In a pinch, a screenshot of a gold inscribable item after it is picked up is also acceptable.
(There are some r0 gold items still in the game, but there has been no news of the game still producing gold items in extremely low requirements. We'd like to figure out the lower limit(s) req. for new gold-text loot to drop. The prediction is that golds don't drop below r4 anymore.)
Swords- Req. 13 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 15-22 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 11 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Sword: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 9 Sword: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 8 Sword: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 7 Sword: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 6 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 5 Sword: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Sword: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 3 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Sword: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Axes
Note: Some non-max axes have a minimum damage as high as 7. (Max. axes have a range of 6-28 damage.)- Req. 13 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 6-28 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 11 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 6-28 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 9 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 6-28 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 8 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 7 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 6 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 5 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Axe: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 3 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Axe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Hammers- Req. 13 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 12 Hammer: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 11 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 9 Hammer: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 8 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 7 Hammer: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 6 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 5 Hammer: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Hammer: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 3 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Hammer: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Bows- Req. 13 Bow: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 12 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 11 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Bow: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 9 Bow: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 8 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 7 Bow: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 6 Bow: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 5 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 4 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 3 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Bow: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Daggers- Req. 13 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 7-17 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 11 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 9 Daggers: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 8 Daggers: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 7 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 6 Daggers: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 5 Daggers: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Daggers: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 3 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Daggers: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Spears- Req. 13 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 14-27 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Spear: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 11 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 9 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 8 Spear: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 7 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 6 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 5 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 4 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 3 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Spear: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Scythes
Note: Some non-max scythes have a minimum damage as high as 10. (Max. scythes have a range of 9-41 damage.)- Req. 13 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 9-41 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 11 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 10 Scythe: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 9-41 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 9 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 9-41 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 8 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 7 Scythe: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 6 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 5 Scythe: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 3 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Scythe: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Shields- Req. 13 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 16 ar (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Shield: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 16 ar (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 11 Shield: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 10 Shield: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 9 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 16 ar (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 8 Shield: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 7 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 6 Shield: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 5 Shield: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 3 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Shield: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Staffs
Staff statistics are listed in the format of HSR/ENE/DMG: built-in chance for half skill recharge, built-in energy, damage range. The various minimums and maximums for each of those three stats may not be linked.
We thought white and blue staffs dropped as loot can have up to 10 energy and 11-22 damage in r9 or higher, but they couldn't have over 17% built-in HSR. (Purple and gold loot staffs can have all three stats maxed in r9 or higher.)
Thanks to Yawgmoth for this explanation.
On
Feb. 7, 2012, fallenangel found a blue staff with
18% HSR which proves there's a more complex system at work here.
We need to watch white and blue staffs more closely!
Staffs which dropped before an update made them all include 20% (max) all spells HSR do not have the same base stats as modern staffs. Those are not included on this list, but "max" versions could be found with req. as low as 7. Pleikki has a
screenshot of a "max" one. phoenixtech has a
screenshot of a no-req one.- Req. 13 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 20/10/11-22 (Known limit for purple and gold)
- Min Stats: 19/10/11-22 (in purple, pic from LicensedLuny)
- Req. 12 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats: 20/10/11-22 (Known limit for purple and gold)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 11 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 10 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 9 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Max Stats:
- 20/10/11-22 (Known limit for purple and gold)
- 18/10/11-21 (in blue, pic from fallenangel)
(This is the staff from Feb. 7, 2012 which broke our working theory about white and blue staffs having a hard cap of 17HSR.)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 8 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats:
- Modern:
- "Pre NF:" 20/10/11-22 (in gold, pic from system.fan)
The update in Oct. 2006 which changed max staffs to have white 20 HSR all spells in the base occurred a day or so before NF's release, which seems to be when the minimum req. allowed for max stat gear was changed. So for about a day, the game could and did produce max r8 "postnerf" staffs (with 20HSR all spells) like the one shown.
- Min Stats:
- Req. 7 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 6 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 5 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Staff: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 3 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Staff: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Wands- Req. 13 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 11-22 (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Wand: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 11 Wand: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 10 Wand: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 9 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 8 Wand: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 7 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 6 Wand: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 5 Wand: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 4 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 3 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Wand: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Foci- Req. 13 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 12 en (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 12 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Max Stats: 12 en (Known limit)
- Min Stats:
- Req. 11 Focus: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 10 Focus: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 9 Focus: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 8 Focus: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 7 Focus: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 6 Focus: (Drops in gold)
- Req. 5 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 4 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 3 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 2 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 1 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
- Req. 0 Focus: (Still drops in gold-text?)
Thanks to everyone who helps out!
If you notice mistakes or have suggestions for improvements, please feel free to let us know!
Looking for PC advice?
This thread really is simply a research project to try to determine the game code's limits for drops. If you think your low-req item might be valuable, there is a
Price Check section of Ventari's as well as a
forum search tool and
auction system you can sometimes use to find PC history for similar items. In general, there is little use for non-max martial or spellcasting weapons outside of
presearing, so such things will probably not be worth much, if anything, in the player-to-player market. There is/has been demand for some types of min-req/max-stat
inscribable shields and foci. Without an inscription slot, there is almost no demand unless the particular shield or focus includes two, max or near-max and
desirable inherent bonus mods.
"This list hasn't been updated recently."
I don't always have as much time for GW and Guru as I'd like, so yes the OP here does get out of date. Sorry. However,
PLEASE do keep reporting findings! As has happened in the past, someone else may take over maintaining this thread or I might get an update done myself. The data you submit is interesting and helpful to folks even if it doesn't appear in the original list in a timely fashion.
(See this post if you're interested in taking over stewardship of this OP.)
Please note, this thread is far from "Luny's." This project was inspired by an April 2008 thread from Moloch Vein. This particular thread was started in June 2010 by Ariena Najea, and he agreed to let me take over the OP in Oct. 2010 because I had more time to compile the findings into a central list. The findings, of course, are thanks to all the folks who post here! I appreciate the well wishes, but please do not mistake that I should get anything near sole credit for this project.
Cheers & Happy Hunting, Luny