Destructive was glaive is far too overpowered for normal mode and allows people to do mindless domain of anguish runs with no more skill required than ursan.
needs to be nerfed.
Nerf DwG
Travaail
Gabriel of Ravn
I grew bored of it after my first dozen or so runs it really is mindless.
/signed
/signed
Lishy
Wait, what? I never heard of the build.
Markaedw
I don't know if it is a build, so much as DwG and whatever else you want
Del
scratch that, /unsigned
Lord Dagon
it is preety mindless, but its a meta thats lets u use a rit..
so /unsigned b/c its a meta on a ritualist, we need to keep living in the era of rits.
so /unsigned b/c its a meta on a ritualist, we need to keep living in the era of rits.
own age myname
People don't get it...
Nerf this, ANet will buff another skill. It's a never ending chain...
/notsigned.
Nerf this, ANet will buff another skill. It's a never ending chain...
/notsigned.
Zarion Silverarrow
Small nerf for PvE
Nothing for PvP...if a DwG kills you,you just can't press WASD
Nothing for PvP...if a DwG kills you,you just can't press WASD
Reverend Dr
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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow
Nothing for PvP...if a DwG kills you,you just can't press WASD
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It sees play in HA, though that is mostly due to HA's poor formating that gives more strength to AoE than it should.
kennywong
I can't help but suspect that those calling for a nerf to DwG for DoA SC might be people who have already made enough & wanted to stop gems/armbrace prices from slipping further.
Perhaps i m ignorant, I have not seen DwG used outside of DoA SC & Courier runs (I don't PVP).
/not sign
Perhaps i m ignorant, I have not seen DwG used outside of DoA SC & Courier runs (I don't PVP).
/not sign
Celestina
First make it so spirit spam doesn't completely dominate Rit bars, then I'll care. Untill then, let people have fun with DwG since it's basically either that or spirit spam it seems.
If the concern is PVP, then split it, simple.
If the concern is PVP, then split it, simple.
sthpaw
/signed
I think Anet needs to balance out the elite area runs imo, DoA use to be the hardest elite area, now its like so easy cause of dwg,
but I dont see any teams forming this stuff in UW.
I think Anet needs to balance out the elite area runs imo, DoA use to be the hardest elite area, now its like so easy cause of dwg,
but I dont see any teams forming this stuff in UW.
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by sthpaw
/signed
I think Anet needs to balance out the elite area runs imo, DoA use to be the hardest elite area, now its like so easy cause of dwg, but I dont see any teams forming this stuff in UW. |
sthpaw
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Why would you want to spend 8+ hours in PvE : <.
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jksDoA can be done in about the same time without DwG, but with people who can play,
Chocobo1
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ur bad kiwi boy!
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Shadowhaze
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Originally Posted by Celestina
First make it so spirit spam doesn't completely dominate Rit bars, then I'll care. Untill then, let people have fun with DwG since it's basically either that or spirit spam it seems.
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PvE aspect...nearly every rit wants to SoS and there are sooo many around now. From what I've seen, very few newer rits can be versatile it seems...SOS/some form of spirit spam or nothing. Makes it hard for those of us who have had rits forever to play our beloved rits sometimes (yes eventhough we're versatile, usually you don't need a party overload of rits. lol.).
As for elite areas...gimmick builds and such are a lot of the problem. How to change that while not killing skills people enjoy for other aspects of pve...therein lies the problem.
Lanier
DwG gives an alternative to rits for spirit spamming in general PvE. I don't know what the problem is since I stopped doing DoA after getting Obby armor, but is there some way the DoA could be changed instead that would limit the usefullness of DwG there without affecting it elsewhere in PvE?
sthpaw
dwg aint the only alternative though.
its just the only overpowered and abused alternative to SoS rits
its just the only overpowered and abused alternative to SoS rits
Volo
DwG is basically ursan without the extra hp and armor (but who need extra armor when you have god mode behind you). If you want a team build that isnt sc but can do doa, well ToA made a physway build that works great in doa and can clear it extremely fast. they have rits necro monks war monk, i dont know the specifics but i believe the rits do alot more than just spirit spam. Anet shouldnt make the "Elite" Area easy just to please casual players, i believe that if that if they learn to actually play the game instead of taking the easy way out they will enjoy GW alot more. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
/signed
fyi pugs can do hm fow with dwg easy... they just choose not to...yet...
/signed
fyi pugs can do hm fow with dwg easy... they just choose not to...yet...
highway
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Destructive was glaive is far too overpowered for normal mode and allows people to do mindless domain of anguish runs with no more skill required than ursan.
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Del
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Lemme guess... you are a warrior and nobody want's you in their group... Daddy daddy the other kids won't play with me QQ
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Idiotic statement btw.
Lithril Ashwalker
Lol at the above. True dat though, if u nerf this they'll buff things like Dervs then pple will be like " anet Dervs are overfarming RAPTORS nerf them!"... Seriously what are we 5?
Let anet deal with things as they see fit not because u 15yr old kids can't find some other fad to get into besides farming on guild wars. or a better option... I'll agree to sign this ... If they'll sign to revert the ursan...not
/unsigned until I get a good reason
Let anet deal with things as they see fit not because u 15yr old kids can't find some other fad to get into besides farming on guild wars. or a better option... I'll agree to sign this ... If they'll sign to revert the ursan...not
/unsigned until I get a good reason
Yasmine
/not signed
although glaiway doa is indeed mindless, after a dwg nerf, the only pple left in doa will be sc guilds again. Plus it gives rits a viable alternative to spirit spamming.
although glaiway doa is indeed mindless, after a dwg nerf, the only pple left in doa will be sc guilds again. Plus it gives rits a viable alternative to spirit spamming.
Edge Igneas
It's a team clear. I don't see anything mindless behind it. I enjoy playing my Rt for something other then SoS. Are people high on their horses starting to crap themselves because gems and armbraces are dropping in price?
/notsigned
/notsigned
StormX
lol? Prior to this it was near impossible to get a DOA run going without guild support because every other PUG would fail. Then again this is one of those things you see coming a mile away. If any build gets too popular...ZAP. It's a neverending cycle.
Yoshida Keiji
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lol? Prior to this it was near impossible to get a DOA run going without guild support because every other PUG would fail. Then again this is one of those things you see coming a mile away. If any build gets too popular...ZAP. It's a neverending cycle.
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But I tell you what. When I come home earlier from work I can do 3 fr and when late only one. Three to five per weekend days if staying at home.
Still plenty of groups fail with Glaiveway.
*Monks not willing to remove hex from para.
*Rits coming with regular SoS build but not the one from this teambuild.
*Rits droppping bundle item at back line.
*Rits over aggroing.
*SoS rising spirits anywhere but actualy where necesary.
*Regular infiltrated noobs.
*Peeps miserable enough for not willing to share 1k for cons.
*AFKers/Leechers.
*Leavers.
*Cheat FR announcements but team stopping after one or two areas.
*Rits not taking Gaze of Fury for Mallyx...
*Peeps not skipping cinematic.
*Etc.
talon994
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Originally Posted by highway
Lemme guess... you are a warrior and nobody want's you in their group... Daddy daddy the other kids won't play with me QQ
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Doc Zenith
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Originally Posted by Yoshida Keiji
I share the same experience, no pug team before DwG had same chances to complete DoA. Some may say it has become over powered.
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/signed (only if it reaches the Ursan lvls which i doubt very much)
Dre
/signed
With Ursan (no matter how bad it was), you didn't have to be a specific profession
(yes, I miss Manlyway DoA)
With Ursan (no matter how bad it was), you didn't have to be a specific profession
(yes, I miss Manlyway DoA)
Sirius Bsns
Nerfing everything into oblivion only kills the game and any interest in it thereof. First, you guys Qqed until Ursan got nerfed, now they want only ONE profession [the Rt]. If DwG gets nerfed, players'll just find the next big thing and abuse that, requiring players to assume the [insert next abused profession here] profession. This will continue on until every possible build dies out. After so many nerfs [advocated by you guys], there'll be nothing left except you, Mhenlo, Devona, Koss, etc., etc... H/Hways. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys started complaining about nerfing heroes and henchman, tbh! Onoes, teh heroes/henchies is are bettar tahn meez! Anet: Nerf pl0x! They shine moar tahn meez! Waaaaa....! Buncha whiney kill-games...
rokocoko
Anet wanted us to PUG more. The rate of success of DwG teams made that possible.
So,
/notsigned
So,
/notsigned
jonathan23
I have an idea, lets just ban everyone that has a complaint about the game. This is only a video game...not life or a real job. Its supposed to be about having fun. If you dont have fun playing a dwg rit in doa, then dont play. Or join/try to join a speed clear guild and learn the many ways of clearing out the doa. And if you are not having fun playing the game, then leave and play something else.
/whogivesacrapaboutdwgdoaclears
/whogivesacrapaboutdwgdoaclears
azur3
One of the few remaining really fun-bringing skills. Also very usefull in DoA.
If so, nerf Obsidian Flesh, Hundred Blades and 55s.
/NOTsigned
If so, nerf Obsidian Flesh, Hundred Blades and 55s.
/NOTsigned
wind fire and ice
DwG is only done in NM,I don't see how a team being able to roll over DoA in NM is "unbalanced".
It allows people to pug,I'll admit I -love- DwG,yes I "abuse" it,because it allows me to hop on for a couple hours and get a run in and make some money instead of having to spend a lot of time coordinating a guild run.
I don't see why DoA shouldn't be pugable in NM,pugs almost always fail HM..it's one of the few(the only,honestly) elite areas pugs can do with success fairly quickly and make a bit of cash off of.
There's no need to nerf every pugable farm that comes up,there will always be another.
This isn't Ursan/SF OP..it doesn't allow absurdly fast HM clears of every area in the game.
NM with DwG takes as long,if not longer then Ursan did to clear HM..I don't see how you can even compare the two.
Anet wants people to pug more and they are now,don't see any thing bad about DwG clearing DoA NM in ~1:30.
Give a better argument as to why you think it should be nerfed rather then comparing it to Ursan.
It allows people to pug,I'll admit I -love- DwG,yes I "abuse" it,because it allows me to hop on for a couple hours and get a run in and make some money instead of having to spend a lot of time coordinating a guild run.
I don't see why DoA shouldn't be pugable in NM,pugs almost always fail HM..it's one of the few(the only,honestly) elite areas pugs can do with success fairly quickly and make a bit of cash off of.
There's no need to nerf every pugable farm that comes up,there will always be another.
This isn't Ursan/SF OP..it doesn't allow absurdly fast HM clears of every area in the game.
NM with DwG takes as long,if not longer then Ursan did to clear HM..I don't see how you can even compare the two.
Anet wants people to pug more and they are now,don't see any thing bad about DwG clearing DoA NM in ~1:30.
Give a better argument as to why you think it should be nerfed rather then comparing it to Ursan.
Drake Slasher
*warning secret knowledge*
Eventually it will get nerfed, and some other skill will become overpowered. OP skills keep the game interesting, QQ threads make the game live longer!
I really wonder HOW MANY PEOPLE realize the fact that anet doesn't try to fully balance the game?! Probably like 5% of the players, haha. 100 dmg to all foes in are, 5 energy, 3/4cast, 5 fckin recharge....yeah nice joke... Like they didn't know it was extremely overpowered and would be the core of some new speed clear??? -.-" So they will nerf it in time,they ARE aware of the clears and the intended OP-ness of the skill. And in that update just search for the next lol-skill and make a new thread :P
Took years to nerf SF for example, despite millions of cry threads, it's not like they will nerf it faster/slower depending on what people say here. Skill "balances" are changes to skills that will ( in their opinion) keep the most people playing the game.
Don't tell your friends though!
Eventually it will get nerfed, and some other skill will become overpowered. OP skills keep the game interesting, QQ threads make the game live longer!
I really wonder HOW MANY PEOPLE realize the fact that anet doesn't try to fully balance the game?! Probably like 5% of the players, haha. 100 dmg to all foes in are, 5 energy, 3/4cast, 5 fckin recharge....yeah nice joke... Like they didn't know it was extremely overpowered and would be the core of some new speed clear??? -.-" So they will nerf it in time,they ARE aware of the clears and the intended OP-ness of the skill. And in that update just search for the next lol-skill and make a new thread :P
Took years to nerf SF for example, despite millions of cry threads, it's not like they will nerf it faster/slower depending on what people say here. Skill "balances" are changes to skills that will ( in their opinion) keep the most people playing the game.
Don't tell your friends though!
lishi
It's too late, the beans have been spilled : DoA is $$, even if they nerf uwg something else will come along.
The days of 30e ambrace are over.
The days of 30e ambrace are over.
munchnabe
DwG itself is not OP. When 4 people are spamming, its simple abusing the skill. There are plenty of other skills that deal around the same amount of damage and with Arcane Echo would be suitable to spam. The runs are in normal mode and still take between 1-2 hours. Let's face it, before the DwG buff, DoA was dead. The occasional 600/smite for foundry and a trapper in veil. other than that nothing, and that is mostly not possible anymore either. If Anet nerfs DwG, they will be killing the possibility of doing DoA for most people. Its not the same as UW/FoW though. Old UWSC/FoWsc runs were 10-15 minutes with good teams, DoA runs are 1-2 hours. and its not similar to ursan at all, it is far less damage than ursan.
I have become bored with that farm and gotten back into UW. so go ahead and start crying for the nerf of WotA too while you're at it.
/notsigned
I have become bored with that farm and gotten back into UW. so go ahead and start crying for the nerf of WotA too while you're at it.
/notsigned
colosusjokers
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Let's face it, before the DwG buff, DoA was dead. The occasional 600/smite for foundry and a trapper in veil. other than that nothing, and that is mostly not possible anymore either. If Anet nerfs DwG, they will be killing the possibility of doing DoA for most people. Its not the same as UW/FoW though. Old UWSC/FoWsc runs were 10-15 minutes with good teams, DoA runs are 1-2 hours. and its not similar to ursan at all, it is far less damage than ursan.
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Originally Posted by Sirius Bsns
Nerfing everything into oblivion only kills the game and any interest in it thereof. First, you guys Qqed until Ursan got nerfed, now they want only ONE profession [the Rt]. If DwG gets nerfed, players'll just find the next big thing and abuse that, requiring players to assume the [insert next abused profession here] profession. This will continue on until every possible build dies out. After so many nerfs [advocated by you guys], there'll be nothing left except you, Mhenlo, Devona, Koss, etc., etc... H/Hways. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys started complaining about nerfing heroes and henchman, tbh! Onoes, teh heroes/henchies is are bettar tahn meez! Anet: Nerf pl0x! They shine moar tahn meez! Waaaaa....! Buncha whiney kill-games...
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DwG will get nerfed in time. But that will be only to force someone to use his/her noodle and make new builds. If you don't want situations like these to rise then here's a thought. Wage war on PvXwiki. The build makers that upload setups on there should be ashamed of themselves for paving the way for the simple and lazy.
Night Life
the problem with nerfing dwg since its "like" ursan is dwg is only really used for doa and in nm at that. Ursan was used for EVERYTHING (uw,fow,doa,vq,and anything hm for that matter) and ursan could be used with just 1 person and heros/henchies and still own. ive yet to see any1 be good with a dwg build and heros henchies
UnChosen
Just in the last month or so I've seen...
Nerf Soul Reaping
Nerf Energy Storage (ER)
Nerf SoS
Nerf Mark of Pain (And whatever else is used in Manlyway)
Nerf Critical Agility and Warrior's Endurance
Nerf Jagged Strike + Fox Fang + DB combo chain
Nerf Shadow form more
Nerf Assassin's promise
Nerf "YMLD!" + EVAS + "FH!"
Nerf Discord(Way)
Nerf DwG
People are basically just picking every decent build that doesn't fit in convention definition of "balanced" team and starts whining about it. I mean nearly every build in the "great" category on PvXWiki had been asked for nerf in the last two months, its like people are just looking up every good build on that site, Ctrl C + Ctrl V, and typing nerf after that.
This is the results of Anet giving in to whining so many times without actually balancing the game. Now everyone are jumping on the QQ bandwagon hoping they'll get a piece of "screwing with other people's gameplay"
Nerf Soul Reaping
Nerf Energy Storage (ER)
Nerf SoS
Nerf Mark of Pain (And whatever else is used in Manlyway)
Nerf Critical Agility and Warrior's Endurance
Nerf Jagged Strike + Fox Fang + DB combo chain
Nerf Shadow form more
Nerf Assassin's promise
Nerf "YMLD!" + EVAS + "FH!"
Nerf Discord(Way)
Nerf DwG
People are basically just picking every decent build that doesn't fit in convention definition of "balanced" team and starts whining about it. I mean nearly every build in the "great" category on PvXWiki had been asked for nerf in the last two months, its like people are just looking up every good build on that site, Ctrl C + Ctrl V, and typing nerf after that.
This is the results of Anet giving in to whining so many times without actually balancing the game. Now everyone are jumping on the QQ bandwagon hoping they'll get a piece of "screwing with other people's gameplay"