Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal are more or less identical titles in that they all require the consumption of 10,000 points of consumables that serve no real purpose in the game (the Sweet Tooth ones do but you will not max the title by using them only when you need them), the only true difference is the amount of time you need to complete them.
For Sweet Tooth it's about how fast can you double-click an icon, for Party Animal is double-click, zone and repeat, but for Drunkard it's spending 166 hours (7 days) next to the computer double-clicking an icon every 3 minutes.
Back when you could use that exploit to cut the time you actually needed to spend drunk Drunkard was a lot like Party Animal and it wasn't that hard to complete it but now Drunkard probably take more time then it would take you earn 1000k, buy 10,000 sweet points and consume them.
My question is why?
Why isn't Drunkard more like Sweet Tooth and Party Animal?
Charr
Del
Targren
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Originally Posted by Charr
Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal are more or less identical titles in that they all require the consumption of 10,000 points of consumables that serve no real purpose in the game (the Sweet Tooth ones do but you will not max the title by using them only when you need them), the only true difference is the amount of time you need to complete them.
For Sweet Tooth it's about how fast can you double-click an icon, for Party Animal is double-click, zone and repeat, but for Drunkard it's spending 166 hours (7 days) next to the computer double-clicking an icon every 3 minutes. Back when you could use that exploit to cut the time you actually needed to spend drunk Drunkard was a lot like Party Animal and it wasn't that hard to complete it but now Drunkard probably take more time then it would take you earn 1000k, buy 10,000 sweet points and consume them. My question is why? |
I suggest finding another title to max instead.
Skyy High
Drunkard came first. When it was just about drunkard, it made sense for it to be about "time spent drunk". Next came sweet tooth...what are you going to do, "time spent under the effects of sweet tooth speed boost"? Well there are sweets that don't do that, so...yeah. Best just to do the points system, and hey, it's less annoying too. Same for party animal, when that came.
So, that's why drunkard is different. The reason why it hasn't changed? Converting minutes to points isn't completely straightforward really; what's "fair"? Is it "fair" that someone who had to just click a couple stacks of ales gets the same title as someone who actually sat there for 10k minutes? (IMO, yes, but it would cause a lot of whining)
So, that's why drunkard is different. The reason why it hasn't changed? Converting minutes to points isn't completely straightforward really; what's "fair"? Is it "fair" that someone who had to just click a couple stacks of ales gets the same title as someone who actually sat there for 10k minutes? (IMO, yes, but it would cause a lot of whining)
Charr
Is it "fair" to make a person sit there pointlessly for 7 days just because another person did it before him/her?
Why not reinstate the exploit, it was there a long time before A-net finally decided to fix it.
Why not reinstate the exploit, it was there a long time before A-net finally decided to fix it.
Missing HB
I understand it can be a bit annoying for someone who doesnt play a lot , but well , that's kind of same problem for someone who does cartographer with texmod , and someone who doesnt use it .
However , i suggest aswell to find an other title to max .
However , i suggest aswell to find an other title to max .
zwei2stein
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It might not be as bad, but someone saying you that you basically wasted whole seven 24 hour days of your life does not sound like it would be taken well. Think about it, casual playing hour a day would take half a year if he manages to chain drunk status perfectly. This just asks for whinefest if made pointless.
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The are, of course, minor things you could do to help with monotony of this title. I.E, make it account wide so that people can use alcohol when playing on non-mains (and take advantage of alcohol-boosts to pve skills without loosing out on main's progress).
Add timer and drunk grade effect display. Allow much more "minutes" to be stacked (essentially similar to instant points, but not in way to would annoy timeskink-scammed people that much as you would still have to wait minutes out.)
Kook~NBK~
You don't have to "sit there" just spending time drunk. You can turn down your graphics to eliminate the drunk effect and go out and play the game. Just pop off a 3-minute drink every so often. Kegs come in very handy for this.
cosyfiep
you can drink and PLAY the game at the same time 
like some of us have....(cant count the dungeons and vanquishes I did while drunk---)
would you want to do the exact same thing for every title??? that is boring, this is a bit different and I see no problems with you having to spend time actually IN GAME doing something sheesh.
like some of us have....(cant count the dungeons and vanquishes I did while drunk---)would you want to do the exact same thing for every title??? that is boring, this is a bit different and I see no problems with you having to spend time actually IN GAME doing something sheesh.
BLOODGOAT
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the Sweet Tooth ones do but you will not max the title by using them only when you need them
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I have 3,000 on my Sin (pre low) and 8,500 or some crap on my Monk without spamming sweets, ie/ using them only when I need them in explorable areas for elite missions and the like (usually get ~60 points per hour in any elite mission, and I do a lot). Likewise, I accrued around 5,000 drunk points because I used Dwarven Stability for dungeon running instead of IAU.
The only useless points happen to be party points.
Mintha Syl
Gah, I would never manage to drink while doing something else on the game cause I would surely lose track of the minutes, so waste alcohol, or die cause I'm concentrating on minutes. However I'm not for converting minutes into points, but some sort of timer would be useful.
shanaya
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Add timer and drunk grade effect display. Allow much more "minutes" to be stacked (essentially similar to instant points, but not in way to would annoy timeskink-scammed people that much as you would still have to wait minutes out.) |
I think there is already one type of alcohol with a timer/display (grog?). It would probably be easy to apply this to all booze.
biofrog
A) Turn off post-processing effect graphics
B) Drink
C) Play game
B) Drink
C) Play game
RedStar
Put an alarm to remind you every 3 minutes 
But on a more serious note : like Cosy said,take your time, be drunk while playing. Who said you have to do it in 7 days ?
But on a more serious note : like Cosy said,take your time, be drunk while playing. Who said you have to do it in 7 days ?
Riot Narita
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Originally Posted by Charr
the only true difference is the amount of time you need to complete them.
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Karate Jesus
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Because Anet hates us. We've been trying to get them to address this forever and they never do and probably never will.
I suggest finding another title to max instead. |
Or you could be like me, turn the post-process effects off, and just randomly double-click alcohol whenever you think you might not be drunk anymore. It doesn't work for shit, and I've probably wasted over 100k, but I couldn't care less.
Jk Arrow
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A) Turn off post-processing effect graphics
B) Drink C) Play game |
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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
You don't have to "sit there" just spending time drunk. You can turn down your graphics to eliminate the drunk effect and go out and play the game. Just pop off a 3-minute drink every so often. Kegs come in very handy for this.
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Also if you are selling crap in Kama or LA, that's a perfect time to booze...you are just sitting there anyway.
Celestina
Let's not forget the dwarven skills that are buffed greatly when drunk.
Targren
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Let's not forget the dwarven skills that are buffed greatly when drunk.
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Dwarven stability, not so much. Anti-knockdown is nice, but if you're not using stances, IAU is unstrippable and, unless you're a runner, the few seconds difference isn't much.
I guess you can combine the two at the cost of a quarter of your bar...
Sirius Bsns
Dear Anet,
Please change the Drunkard title to the same functionality as that of Sweet Tooth and Party Animal. It's for the greater good, despite however many prior Drunkard title maxers whine and complain.
Please change the Drunkard title to the same functionality as that of Sweet Tooth and Party Animal. It's for the greater good, despite however many prior Drunkard title maxers whine and complain.
Shadowspawn X
Party animal and sweet tooth are horrible titles. They should go away, because no title should be based just on spending gold imo. Drunkard is at least requiring you to do something for the title other than spend gold.
Mintha Syl
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Dwarven stability, not so much.
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Fay Vert
Well on the one hand it's pointless grind so I see no reason why it shouldn't be removed. But then on the other hand, why not just consume as you play? Why subject yourself to the grind when you don't have to and you can still get the title.
There is also the matter of the skills that work off drunk to consider too.
There is also the matter of the skills that work off drunk to consider too.
jonnieboi05
ac1inferno
It really should be for consistency with the other titles, but this has been suggested before.
Coraline Jones
Drunkard will never change. The Drunkard title used to be simplified and you could accumulate minutes easily and quickly by repeatedly zoning. Then ArenaNet intentionally removed the "exploit" so people had to grind out the minutes. It doesn't matter what you do now. You will remain drunk, even if you switch servers, move to different towns, etc. I heard that even if you logout, the minutes are now counted on the server side so you still remain drunk or you just lose the minutes.
In short, ArenaNet went through a very thorough and complete fix to ensure that nobody could "abuse" drunkard ever again. So what you're asking is to effectively remove a fix that they went through a lot of trouble to implement in the first place.
Here are some other things that people want that will never happen in Guild Wars. We might as well mention them now so people quit asking for them:
* Increasing player heroes from three to seven in a party.
* Fixing Jade Quarry so the archers on the Luxon side work properly.
In short, ArenaNet went through a very thorough and complete fix to ensure that nobody could "abuse" drunkard ever again. So what you're asking is to effectively remove a fix that they went through a lot of trouble to implement in the first place.
Here are some other things that people want that will never happen in Guild Wars. We might as well mention them now so people quit asking for them:
* Increasing player heroes from three to seven in a party.
* Fixing Jade Quarry so the archers on the Luxon side work properly.
Showtime
Drunk title is the silliest imo even though it works with skills. 10k minutes eh? 1st time I read that, I thought it was a mistype. GW wasn't supposed to be about grind, but without a speed option, that what it is... A 10,000 minute grind! GOOD JOB PROGRAMMERS!!! That adds so much to the game.
That's my avatar working on the drunk title btw.
That's my avatar working on the drunk title btw.
HawkofStorms
Dear A.net,
I want a reward but don't want to have to put in the effort to get it. Please make stuff easier for me.
I want a reward but don't want to have to put in the effort to get it. Please make stuff easier for me.
Cuilan
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Dear A.net,
I want a reward but don't want to have to put in the effort to get it. Please make stuff easier for me. |
Coney
Uhh, because...
You are clearly NOT DRUNK ENOUGH!!!
EDIT: There is a way to get 3 drunk minutes for 1.5 minutes playtime now, but *I WILL NEVER TELL YOU HOW*!!!
(HINT: try Boreal chest running)
You are clearly NOT DRUNK ENOUGH!!!
EDIT: There is a way to get 3 drunk minutes for 1.5 minutes playtime now, but *I WILL NEVER TELL YOU HOW*!!!
(HINT: try Boreal chest running)
MithranArkanere
Because one of the three evils in human culture.
The three evils are faith, tradition and custom.
Faith means doing something just because your are told so.
Tradition means to do something just because it has been done for a long time.
And custom means to do something just because many other people do the same.
In this case, it's tradition. It's like that because it has been always like that.
We humans come with a nasty 'keep statues quo' gene that prevents many changes towards something better.
I'm not saying that Drunkard should change to be just a use-item-get point method like the other two, but it has the problem of being too game-breaking. If you try to get it while playing, you can't disable postprocessing and know if you need another drink just by looking. You have to either keep prost-processing, or keep the hero panel open, or keep a stopwatch or something like that. You have to stop to drink way too often.
Many fights last 2 minutes, but there many others, specially in missions, that allow no pause to drink. Since there are skills that actually benefit from drinks, it's too annoying.
This things would be fixed with the following:
- Increasing the cap from 5 minutes to 15, 20 or more.
No one stays drunk for just 3 minutes after having 5 puny drinks. Me and my Galician liver stay just slightly drunk for a couple of hours after having more than 15 beers.
So, by drinking the same amount of drinks, and spending the same amount of time drunk, with this you'll be able to play without stopping to drink so often.
- Add a way to show the progress even for those that cannot activate postprocessing:
* They could add a purple bar like the experience bar that appears when you select a title. Any title. You could deactivate it either by unselecting a title, or by hiding it in the option panel.
* They could add effect icons for ALL drinks, not just grog. Or a generic drunk icon for all other drinks that do not have one like grog.
The three evils are faith, tradition and custom.
Faith means doing something just because your are told so.
Tradition means to do something just because it has been done for a long time.
And custom means to do something just because many other people do the same.
In this case, it's tradition. It's like that because it has been always like that.
We humans come with a nasty 'keep statues quo' gene that prevents many changes towards something better.
I'm not saying that Drunkard should change to be just a use-item-get point method like the other two, but it has the problem of being too game-breaking. If you try to get it while playing, you can't disable postprocessing and know if you need another drink just by looking. You have to either keep prost-processing, or keep the hero panel open, or keep a stopwatch or something like that. You have to stop to drink way too often.
Many fights last 2 minutes, but there many others, specially in missions, that allow no pause to drink. Since there are skills that actually benefit from drinks, it's too annoying.
This things would be fixed with the following:
- Increasing the cap from 5 minutes to 15, 20 or more.
No one stays drunk for just 3 minutes after having 5 puny drinks. Me and my Galician liver stay just slightly drunk for a couple of hours after having more than 15 beers.
So, by drinking the same amount of drinks, and spending the same amount of time drunk, with this you'll be able to play without stopping to drink so often.
- Add a way to show the progress even for those that cannot activate postprocessing:
* They could add a purple bar like the experience bar that appears when you select a title. Any title. You could deactivate it either by unselecting a title, or by hiding it in the option panel.
* They could add effect icons for ALL drinks, not just grog. Or a generic drunk icon for all other drinks that do not have one like grog.
Charr
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Yeah, but by and large, those aren't all that great for general-purpose use even when buffed. Especially for some of the less "popular" classes (my ranger main, e.g.). Drunken Master for the IAS/IMS, sure.
Dwarven stability, not so much. Anti-knockdown is nice, but if you're not using stances, IAU is unstrippable and, unless you're a runner, the few seconds difference isn't much. I guess you can combine the two at the cost of a quarter of your bar... |
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Party animal and sweet tooth are horrible titles. They should go away, because no title should be based just on spending gold imo. Drunkard is at least requiring you to do something for the title other than spend gold.
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Drunkard will never change. The Drunkard title used to be simplified and you could accumulate minutes easily and quickly by repeatedly zoning. Then ArenaNet intentionally removed the "exploit" so people had to grind out the minutes. It doesn't matter what you do now. You will remain drunk, even if you switch servers, move to different towns, etc. I heard that even if you logout, the minutes are now counted on the server side so you still remain drunk or you just lose the minutes.
In short, ArenaNet went through a very thorough and complete fix to ensure that nobody could "abuse" drunkard ever again. So what you're asking is to effectively remove a fix that they went through a lot of trouble to implement in the first place. |
Coney
It would be handy if there was an in-game drunk bar telling you when it expires. You (last reply) really spent too much time describing this benefit/cost...
But I ran many missions, using 5 point (and 1 point) alcohols), and the two skills [dwarven stability][drunken master] that mega-benefit from it.
And since I maxed drunkard over a year ago, I hate wasting ales, for measily buffs that force usage of those two said-same skill, that are out-performed by many other EotN skills, *WITHOUT* being drunk...
EDIT: that is key - maybe they need to buff these two skills, beyond the other EotN skills available - as they both require *CHUGGING*...
But I ran many missions, using 5 point (and 1 point) alcohols), and the two skills [dwarven stability][drunken master] that mega-benefit from it.
And since I maxed drunkard over a year ago, I hate wasting ales, for measily buffs that force usage of those two said-same skill, that are out-performed by many other EotN skills, *WITHOUT* being drunk...
EDIT: that is key - maybe they need to buff these two skills, beyond the other EotN skills available - as they both require *CHUGGING*...
Firebaall
Do it the proper way, stop being a little S.O.B. brat.
If you don't want to do it, go work on another title.
If you don't want to do it, go work on another title.
HawkofStorms
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There isn't any effort in standing around clicking an item.
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Oh yeah, it's too hard
snaek
the only way to fix the drunkard/sweet tooth/party animal title is to remove it
zzzz grind wars
zzzz grind wars
FengShuiDove
<---8,500 minutes without a bot, without an exploit, and with a life.
Without paying any real attention, you can easily obtain the title while Vanquishing, Cartographing, doing missions, during festivals, standing around in GH, spamming in Kamadan to buy or sell... if you keep a constant influx of booze entering your character, it ain't that bad of a title at all.
And don't make the argument, "Well, what if you aren't a title chaser?" Then you sure as heck wouldn't be going for one of the costliest and longest titles out there, would you? Don't do it all at once, spread it out from the time you begin accumulating titles and you'll be perfectly fine.
Without paying any real attention, you can easily obtain the title while Vanquishing, Cartographing, doing missions, during festivals, standing around in GH, spamming in Kamadan to buy or sell... if you keep a constant influx of booze entering your character, it ain't that bad of a title at all.
And don't make the argument, "Well, what if you aren't a title chaser?" Then you sure as heck wouldn't be going for one of the costliest and longest titles out there, would you? Don't do it all at once, spread it out from the time you begin accumulating titles and you'll be perfectly fine.
Charr
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Then why doesn't the OP already have it?
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Completing let's say Kurzic/Luxon title is hard and for the most part boring but at least you are doing something.
Drunkard on the other hand is either extremely boring or extremely annoying, boring if you are just sitting there double-clicking an icon every 3 minutes or annoying because you have to check all the time to see is 3 minutes passed.
Cuilan
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Then why doesn't the OP already have it?
Oh yeah, it's too hard |
Sirius Bsns
Children have plenty of time to burn, hence they favor the [/quote]challenge[/unquote] of burning away their time, kind of like that time when Bill Gates tossed a million dollars in his fire place just to keep his dog laying nearby warm.
I on the other hand don't have nearly as much time, and so I value every second of it. Down with the current 10k minute-wasting Drunkard title requirement!
I on the other hand don't have nearly as much time, and so I value every second of it. Down with the current 10k minute-wasting Drunkard title requirement!