Nature Rituals and Trapping

My guess would be that traps were intended to be laid before a battle and have enemies lured into them. The long-ish cast time plus the "easily interrupted" keeps them from being used effectively during a battle.
The best way to handle them now would be the same as handling them before.

No.

PUG-Nazis must die!
If your PUG is so bad that bringing one trap or NR will cause a problem, you need to try a different game.

Trapping, as a tactic, has always been too slow for my liking, but it does work and some people like to play the game, and trap, just for fun. Remember "fun"? It used to be part of the "meta-game".

Why not?

Why are you always in such a hurry?

Because being able to detect & disarm PvE Enemy or Opposing Team traps rather than taking a whole heap of damage in the face would make for some interesting dynamics - rather than... "oh yeah, I'm a Ranger but I haven't got a hope in hell of finding a trap... poof! Oh yeah, there's one!"

if spending all your time laying down traps that take a few seconds each is fun then I stand corrected. Just trying to expedite the process Sonny Jim.

Not everyone equates speed with fun.

I'd guess more people equate speed to fun than people who equate slow paced sub-parness to fun.

You missed my point. I said not everyone equates speed to fun. I didnt say "not everyone equates going fast to fun". What I meant is that to many people, myself included, the speed, whether it be slow or fast, has no effect on fun.

Because you didn't have one. You tried to be witty, but the entire argument failed.

Reducing casting time isn't and never was meant to just make skills more fun to use.

Hint: It's to make them less terrible.

Do I necessarily agree that shorter cast time are going to make any of them mainstream PvE builds? No, of course not, but that's besides the point.

Yeah, because when a party full of bonder monks and eles, and hexing necro's and mesmers, for some mysterious reason, don't wholeheartedly agree on the concept of your Nature's Renewal affecting all of them, it's obviously their fault for sucking so much, right?

Pretty much yeah

Some NR are very effective in specific area's, some may find use in teams build around them, and some would hamper the player's team more then the mobs the're trying to fight. Very few are safe to bring -or even benificial- in any team/PuG.

Reducing cast time on nature rituals would go a long way. Favorable winds could be useful in both pve and pvp if it werent a 5 sec cast. Even something like muddy terrain is decently useful in some pvp but the cast time makes it too clumsy to use.

Traps should have lowered casting cost, 25e dust trap is ridiculous. Skills like trappers speed are helpful but don't really fit on a bar, helping condense the bar more by giving it 33% movement speed as well would make it of potential use. Spike and flame trap should also do more damage.

Removing the easily interruptable part would make them significantly stronger but could be bad for pvp potentially. A detect/disarm feature would never used. I mostly think traps need some number tweaking I would never expect or want them to be at the front of any metagame, but they should be usable.

To keep traps/spirits ranger only they could cast 2% faster for each point in expertise. It would make both skill types much more useful with out having to balance each one.

I agree reducing time on the nature rituals.. cause if your doing winnow/fav winds that's 10 seconds right there- unless your 12+ in both it doesn't really last long enough imo

I was messing around with that on my necro doing winnow/fav winds and ootv.. see how much it would stack with splinter/mop on the heros for bla

it worked pretty well, could last through the first perfected jade group.. that's when I noticed the cast time really

It worked for the ritualist spirits, and now they dominate PvE. I can't normally bring Favorable Winds when it puts me down for 5 seconds and I have to wait a minute to use it again.

Edit: Realized you were discussing traps, but, it's the same problem. Seems everyone is in a rush with PvE, and the ranger is too slow with its utilities.

You were not wrong. My topic here includes Nature Rituals. I just think that if we could put them down faster in PvE they would see more use in regular team build play. No one brings them into regular team play with the exception of a few things. With the advent of PvE only skills that do what a lot of traps were meant to do but in the form of a shout or signet, it makes using traps pointless.

I don't understand why people are against making them faster to use. It's a head scratcher to me. There is no good reason why a Nature Ritual should take 3-5 seconds to lay down when Rits have had all their Ritual casting times reduced and see widespread use. Rits are also not so overpowered that I feel the need to invite one or bring mine every time I do something. Why should Ranger spirits not see the same thing happen for them?

What I am saying is this: It won't break the game. It will just expedite the game play, and people will have more options when playing their rangers in PvE.

I've been saying this for over a year. QFT.

I think the synergy comment is spot on.

The main problem with the Ranger is that they don't play well with others, nor do their skills combine together. Beast Mastery doesn't have any connection to Marksmanship, trapping requires 100% of your bar be devoted to its use and doesn't play well with anything else, and nature spirits don't offer incentive to build a strategy around them, more frequently gumming up the works than increasing capabilities and brewing up combinations.

Making the Ranger better will require making it a better contribution to the team, and offering more reward for using skills in conjunction with one another.

One thing I haven't seen brought up yet, but I rarely see people using this skill is triple shot. If your faction rank is even halfway decent, its a very potent skill if you buff it right.

Actually the Ranger class/sub-classes follow the generic RPG model probably better than any other GW class with the 3 skill lines defining the Archer, Trapper and Beast Master sub-classes. Some would argue that this kind of "specialisation" is what an RPG is all about.

If you choose to play a Ranger, then PLAY a Ranger. If the most effective Ranger build is 7 Rt skills and EVAS then there's something really wrong with the profession/skill balancing.

Rangers DO play well with others, how many BLA PuGs are more than happy for a splinter/barrage R/Rt to come along?

The issue with rituals & traps has always really been that they can be used for solo farming and were targetted for nerfs. However, the Dev Team supports other solo builds and that grates. Every time the Rangers community has found any innovative way to farm, the nerf bat has been swung hard and heavy

Honestly people, the pace of the game being too fast is what the problem is, not Rangers being too slow.