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Originally Posted by Reflect
so give same awards to ppl who played 10h of GW1 and to ppl who put efford time etc in the game?
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New small HoM info!
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Karate Jesus
A points system sounds like the best way to go. It's probably the most fair.
Hopefully brand new GW2 players wont be able to just buy the points....
Hopefully brand new GW2 players wont be able to just buy the points....
Skyy High
People were going to complain about the HoM's implementation regardless of what they did. The point system sounds like it (could be) the most fair implementation possible. Never PvP-ed? Fine, just get a bunch of PvE achievements and you get the same reward as someone who added some high-level PvP monuments to their hall. Never managed to get the cash to get the rarest minis? Just grab a bunch of lower rarity minis and get the same number of points. It all depends on what the reward tiers are and how many points each mini, monument, or armor gives.
Reflect
it will be stupid if it matters how many minis u have, no what minis u have .... Mini kanaxai = 1243252345x(all-birthday-minis)
Ewon
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Originally Posted by Reflect
it will be stupid if it matters how many minis u have, no what minis u have .... Mini kanaxai = 1243252345x(all-birthday-minis)
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I'm wondering if you will get points for having more than one character with the same title/armor/pet etc. I hope this gets answered in there update.
It will be interesting to see how this info will effect the cureent ecconomy. I see some materials/pets skyrocketing in price, maybe even some rare ones going done (if they do get you much), and hopefully bring some life back into dead areas of the game (people wanting to get pvp titles etc).
Shadowmoon
Actually it would be perfectly reasonable that all mini are worth the same. It would fit with diminishing returns model. Easy to get all the common ones, then cost alittle more to get the next group, until to get them all you have to spend an insane amount.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Actually it would be perfectly reasonable that all mini are worth the same. It would fit with diminishing returns model. Easy to get all the common ones, then cost alittle more to get the next group, until to get them all you have to spend an insane amount.
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BrettM
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Originally Posted by KiyaKoreena
Sounds like someone is just jealous. <snip> If you didn't want to spend the time to obtain a certain mini/title/whatever you shouldn't complain that the people who did get a reward for it.
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Guess what else: I DID get a reward for putting in the time to do these things in GW1. I got my reward in GW1. I earned the title/statue/mini in GW1 and I got rewarded for it in GW1. I get to show the title whenever I want. I get to bring out the mini and let it run around whenever I want. I get to wear the great looking, expensive armor set whenever I want. Those are all the rewards I have any right to expect.
GW2 is a new game. Any rewards I want out of that game should be earned in that game. ANet apparently wants to give me some token of the fact that I was a customer of theirs before GW2. Fine. But we are all equally customers, and I don't see that having one particular title/statue/mini somehow makes me a better customer, entitled to more reward.
ANet has gone far enough (more than far enough) by offering to give a little extra bling to those who spent more time earning various rewards in GW1, but I see no reason why they should go overboard with this.
Aldric
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Originally Posted by Reflect
it will be stupid if it matters how many minis u have, no what minis u have .... Mini kanaxai = 1243252345x(all-birthday-minis)
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Arduin
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Originally Posted by MArcSinus
Besides it sounds fair that someone who has 15 titles on 2 different characters displayed should get the same things as someone with all 30 titles on 1 character.
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Coast
what happens if u got 240max titles then?
Xiaquin
I haven't been filling up my hall, but once I know the rewards, maybe I will. 
I can't shake the feeling that the people who've dedicated ridiculously rare minis (Vizu, Panda, Polar Bear, etc.) are in for a bombshell that it was a huge waste to do such a thing. Unless, of course, there are parties that I've never been invited to, where people show off their halls and brag to their friends...
I can't shake the feeling that the people who've dedicated ridiculously rare minis (Vizu, Panda, Polar Bear, etc.) are in for a bombshell that it was a huge waste to do such a thing. Unless, of course, there are parties that I've never been invited to, where people show off their halls and brag to their friends...
KiyaKoreena
Point ceded.
But what makes you think it is going overboard? They are rewarding the GW1 players who put in time/effort with something extra in the continuation of the franchise. When the HoM was first announced they SAID that it would bring unlocks in GW2. Why shouldn't those who did more get more?
But what makes you think it is going overboard? They are rewarding the GW1 players who put in time/effort with something extra in the continuation of the franchise. When the HoM was first announced they SAID that it would bring unlocks in GW2. Why shouldn't those who did more get more?
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Originally Posted by Reflect
it will be stupid if it matters how many minis u have, no what minis u have .... Mini kanaxai = 1243252345x(all-birthday-minis)
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BenjZee
points do infact mean prizes...
Nice! Bad thing is though some people are getting all tense and pressured. C'mon people you DONT HAVE TO get these items in either game and it doesn't make you any better if you do. Play for fun, that is all
Nice! Bad thing is though some people are getting all tense and pressured. C'mon people you DONT HAVE TO get these items in either game and it doesn't make you any better if you do. Play for fun, that is all
TheodenKing
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Originally Posted by End
but...I was thinking will they give a higher value to like...having a mini kanaxai vs. a mini seige turtle
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I'm hoping that having a full hall and GWAMM will get you the maximum points, regardless of whether the hall is filled with common minis or pandas and zheds. I would like to see people rewarded for achieving GWAMM though. That takes a lot more effort and coin than filling the hall. And anyone that sees what the reward will be that doesn't yet have GWAMM can get inspired to do what they need to get the rest of the points.
Skye Marin
This makes sense because there is no way that you could keep all your minipets for GW2 because they would have to re-do the animations and art for them all, and the same goes with armor. If all GW1 armor was in GW2, that would double the art, modeling, animation, and testing budgets. Besides, more unique armors would be better anyways. Exception to this might be Obsidian Armor, and Torment and Destroyer Weapons.
I'm thinking that for minis, each color of mini is worth a point value: white = 2, purple = 5, gold = 10, green = 25. And each elite armor is also worth slightly different points, same with elite hero armor, titles and achievements.
Now what I'm most curious about is if the points become a cap, or are spent.
It was made clear that all characters in your GW2 account will be able to receive the rewards earned from achievements in GW1. If I have 1,000 points, do I need to spend 200 on a spear and another 200 for a wand, or does the 1,000 points unlock a tier, and anything under that is free game for any of my characters. I suppose the second one would be better.
I'm thinking that for minis, each color of mini is worth a point value: white = 2, purple = 5, gold = 10, green = 25. And each elite armor is also worth slightly different points, same with elite hero armor, titles and achievements.
Now what I'm most curious about is if the points become a cap, or are spent.
It was made clear that all characters in your GW2 account will be able to receive the rewards earned from achievements in GW1. If I have 1,000 points, do I need to spend 200 on a spear and another 200 for a wand, or does the 1,000 points unlock a tier, and anything under that is free game for any of my characters. I suppose the second one would be better.
BrettM
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Originally Posted by KiyaKoreena
But what makes you think it is going overboard? They are rewarding the GW1 players who put in time/effort with something extra in the continuation of the franchise. When the HoM was first announced they SAID that it would bring unlocks in GW2. Why shouldn't those who did more get more?
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But, if I open my prezzie and a mini-Rurik pops out while you open yours and a mini-whiptail pops out, did I really "do more" than you did? That's what some of the proposals would have us believe.
Schemes like these will cause nothing but endless bickering and encourage endless grind just to get one more point. My gold minis are worth more than your gold minis, so they should get more points. My LDoA took more time to get than your LMotN, so it should get more points. My LMotN is an award for real accomplishment, not mindless grind like your LDoA, so it should get more points. My Black Widow was harder to cap than your Black Moa, so it should get more points.
Many of the proposals can be boiled down to giving more rewards for more time played and more gold accumulated. "My stuff cost more than your stuff, so I win. Don't bother asking me how I got the money." Giving extra rewards for FoW gives the rewards to anyone who did endless UWSC and spent the profits on FoW. Is this really an accomplishment that deserves extra rewards? The guy who settled for Elite Flameforged probably came by his more honestly, representing a truer accomplishment.
If spending a lot of time and/or a lot of gold to get something is a true measure of accomplishment, then let's just make it easy. Just total up the hours played and the cash value of all assets held across all characters on the account and call it the e-peen score.
BenjZee
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Originally Posted by Skye Marin
Now what I'm most curious about is if the points become a cap, or are spent.
It was made clear that all characters in your GW2 account will be able to receive the rewards earned from achievements in GW1. If I have 1,000 points, do I need to spend 200 on a spear and another 200 for a wand, or does the 1,000 points unlock a tier, and anything under that is free game for any of my characters. I suppose the second one would be better. |
shoyon456
As I've said before, I just hope that GWAMM has a very nice benefit. Not so that I can epeen in GW2, but so I can pawn it off for a nice little sum. Anet/GW2 is dead to me.
Polgara Val
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
As I've said before, I just hope that GWAMM has a very nice benefit. Not so that I can epeen in GW2, but so I can pawn it off for a nice little sum. Anet/GW2 is dead to me.
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So I guess Anet and GW2 will still remain dead for you old chap.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/...3&postcount=26
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Wynthyst
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Originally Posted by Ildanach
If anyone did buy Guild Wars 1 for the hall of monument items in Guild Wars 2. It is not like the hall is filled for free, they would still have to work just as hard as old players to get the hall filled, so why not have it attainable for new players Wynthyst? Also what time frame classifies a new player?
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I'm sorry if I came off sounding differently. I don't believe however, that many people will actually buy GW once GW2 comes out for the sole purpose of getting these shinies, so it will still represent a history of achievement for those of us who have them.
Ka Tet
We don't even know if the rewards will be worth getting yet. It could turn out to be the equivalent of collector's edition bonus items.
Tom Swift
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Are you actually insisting that Anet should sell HoM rewards in the GW2 store?
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Originally Posted by Wynthyst
I would tend to agree that at most it's going to be special skins, or armor that is not attainable by new gw2 players. Eyecandy without substantive gameplay advantage. They will be things that will clearly mark you as having "history".
I also don't believe they should make them attainable by new GW2 players.... period. This is OUR "bonus" for years of dedication and hard work, and I will be seriously disappointed if people who have never played a minute of Guild Wars will have the chance to "buy" these things... whatever they turn out to be. |
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Polgara Val
Anet has already confirmed that whatever you get from HoM reward wise whether it be via titles or anything else, is not tradeable period and is tied to your character(s). So if your hoping for a nice little "sum" it aint happening.
So I guess Anet and GW2 will still remain dead for you old chap. http://www.guildwars2guru.com/forum/...3&postcount=26 Pol |
It's dead regardless, just thought I might make a buck on my way out.
Anon-e-mouse
ie, shoyon456 wants to sell his GW1 account info to someone who wants to 'link' it to a GW2 account so they get shinies..
Something I hope A-net won't allow, but in the real world I don't see a way they can stop someone doing this if they so desired.
Something I hope A-net won't allow, but in the real world I don't see a way they can stop someone doing this if they so desired.
Ninja Ninja
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http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti..._of_the_north/
Ka Tet
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Just ignoring player speculation, this is what they promised us when we bought guild wars eye of the north.
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti..._of_the_north/ |
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Just ignoring player speculation, this is what they promised us when we bought guild wars eye of the north.
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti..._of_the_north/ |
cosyfiep
I am thinking that the 'points' will work something like this:
5 monuments, each worth say 5 points each. For each hero up to 5 you get one point, ditto on the armor, for the weapons the first doesnt count then for every 2 you get a point. for the minis (seeing as you get a mini for doing absolutely NOTHING ingame every year--if your character were 5 you would have 5 minis, have 4 characters=20 minis for just keeping your toons for 5 years....that is just for having one chapter)...so each mini would be worth .25 or 4 minis=1 point. titles--5 titles get you 5 points.
so a full hall gets you 25 points.
(or that is what my brain came up with while I was trying to get a nap--)
of course this means that all minis are worth the same, all armors are worth the same...etc ....and the max reward would be 25 points. plain and simple (for us non math peeps)
5 monuments, each worth say 5 points each. For each hero up to 5 you get one point, ditto on the armor, for the weapons the first doesnt count then for every 2 you get a point. for the minis (seeing as you get a mini for doing absolutely NOTHING ingame every year--if your character were 5 you would have 5 minis, have 4 characters=20 minis for just keeping your toons for 5 years....that is just for having one chapter)...so each mini would be worth .25 or 4 minis=1 point. titles--5 titles get you 5 points.
so a full hall gets you 25 points.
(or that is what my brain came up with while I was trying to get a nap--)
of course this means that all minis are worth the same, all armors are worth the same...etc ....and the max reward would be 25 points. plain and simple (for us non math peeps)
mage767
All I want to know is how will people be rewarded for finishing multiple GWAMMs on the same account. Will they be rewarded the same as those with a single GWAMM?
There must be some provision to reward more points to those who maxed multiple characters. Currently, HoM does not reflect this...
P.S. Why Multiple GWAMM? Because ANET is late with GW2 and there is nothing left to do in PvE other than play different charcters through.
There must be some provision to reward more points to those who maxed multiple characters. Currently, HoM does not reflect this...
P.S. Why Multiple GWAMM? Because ANET is late with GW2 and there is nothing left to do in PvE other than play different charcters through.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by mage767
All I want to know is how will people be rewarded for finishing multiple GWAMMs on the same account. Will they be rewarded the same as those with a single GWAMM?
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Polgara Val
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Originally Posted by mage767
All I want to know is how will people be rewarded for finishing multiple GWAMMs on the same account. Will they be rewarded the same as those with a single GWAMM?
There must be some provision to reward more points to those who maxed multiple characters. Currently, HoM does not reflect this... P.S. Why Multiple GWAMM? Because ANET is late with GW2 and there is nothing left to do in PvE other than play different charcters through. |
Since HoM is account wide I doubt filling out multiple HoM will give you x 4 amount of points the any other normal player who reaches GWAMM and fills out there HoM. Thats why I feel they made HoM account wide to make it just that bit easier for the more casual players. This is just my opinion not a fact.
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Arduin
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Just ignoring player speculation, this is what they promised us when we bought guild wars eye of the north.
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/arti..._of_the_north/ |
Funny thing is, Anet recently ditched the companion system. There goes the access to exclusive titles, companions (Heroes and pets).
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Arduin
Yeah, well, promises can be broken.
Funny thing is, Anet recently ditched the companion system. There goes the access to exclusive titles, companions (Heroes and pets). |
But since they did in fact promise it, the people have a right to rage.
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
More like false advertising, its no secret eotn is not even close to the size of a real campaign and its main selling point was the HoM.
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For once, I'd like to see people at least give Anet credit for their intentions, which as far as I can tell are to make GW2 the best it can be.
Ka Tet
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Bologna. When GWEN came out, they were very early in development of the game, and therefore had a lot of ambitions. Would you rather they sacrifice the quality of GW2 just to come through on some very early things they said they hoped to do? Everything is subject to change, and while we're free to feel disappointed, feeling cheated and "raging" is just plain immature.
For once, I'd like to see people at least give Anet credit for their intentions, which as far as I can tell are to make GW2 the best it can be. |
Ninja Ninja
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Bologna. When GWEN came out, they were very early in development of the game, and therefore had a lot of ambitions. Would you rather they sacrifice the quality of GW2 just to come through on some very early things they said they hoped to do? Everything is subject to change, and while we're free to feel disappointed, feeling cheated and "raging" is just plain immature.
For once, I'd like to see people at least give Anet credit for their intentions, which as far as I can tell are to make GW2 the best it can be. |
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Arduin
Yeah, well, promises can be broken.
Funny thing is, Anet recently ditched the companion system. There goes the access to exclusive titles, companions (Heroes and pets). |
I never read any of those HoM descriptions as a promise, but rather as marketing and a forecast of future goals, goals which are subject to change.
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude
When people pay for something, they should expect it.
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
Anet is able to make a next gen game from the ground up and yet simple HoM rewards are suddenly complicated?
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