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Ka Tet

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Pita Bread And Scud Missiles Ai[iiii]

24 Aug 2010 at 23:52 - 121

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

You paid for GWEN, you didn't pay for GW2. I'm sure developers are still listening, but, a future product can change. I'm happy if there is a reason for those changes, and I'm sure there are.

One of GWEN's big selling points was its connection to GW2.
INB4: I'm not saying that was the sole or primary reason that most people bought it, but when you advertise specific things, you become obliged to deliver.

Ninja Ninja

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25 Aug 2010 at 00:27 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiaquin

You paid for GWEN, you didn't pay for GW2. I'm sure developers are still listening, but, a future product can change. I'm happy if there is a reason for those changes, and I'm sure there are.

And yet ironically the sales from GW:EN paid for gw2.

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

You can't assume anything is "simple" when developing a game. Ask one of the designers how simple it is to get a decision on something pushed through, particularly on something bound to create different schools of thought.

You're acting like they just decided to make these rewards last week, this game has been in production for 3 years now, HoM rewards should have been there top priority.

MArcSinus

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25 Aug 2010 at 00:48 - 123

Yes the GW2 link in GW:EN was a smart commercial trick/strategy. (Who doesn't want to see the fruits of all his/her GW years and efforts?!)
And yes they are obliged to fulfill the promises they made concerning the GW2 rewards imo.

However I still have full faith that Anet can and will deliver

Alright, so maybe no heroes, I'm sure we will get some real badass titles and minipets so all my title grinding won't be for nothing.

Lortext

Frost Gate Guardian

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25 Aug 2010 at 01:35 - 124

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

More like false advertising, its no secret eotn is not even close to the size of a real campaign and its main selling point was the HoM.
But since they did in fact promise it, the people have a right to rage.

You also have the right to Deal With It. The exact rewards have always been intentionally vague. If you bought EOTN for the HoM then you were buying into mysterious unknown prizes for a game that could have been canceled by NCSoft.

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

HoM rewards should have been there top priority.

Above fun game mechanics? Really?

Xiaquin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2010

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25 Aug 2010 at 02:49 - 125

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

One of GWEN's big selling points was its connection to GW2.
INB4: I'm not saying that was the sole or primary reason that most people bought it, but when you advertise specific things, you become obliged to deliver.

Anet's responsible for things it says, I just think it's also fair to allow some flexibility. Make a petition or get in touch with developers or people who know them. It's a heck of a lot more useful than this is.

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

You're acting like they just decided to make these rewards last week, this game has been in production for 3 years now, HoM rewards should have been there top priority.

You're acting like they made these promises last week. Wait, you're acting like these were promises, and not just "we plan to do this". Plans change, it's life. That's all I have to say.

Ninja Ninja

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25 Aug 2010 at 06:11 - 126

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Originally Posted by Lortext

You also have the right to Deal With It. The exact rewards have always been intentionally vague. If you bought EOTN for the HoM then you were buying into mysterious unknown prizes for a game that could have been canceled by NCSoft.

Vague? I think they were pretty clear on what the rewards will be.

"Then, when Guild Wars 2 arrives, each of these monuments will correspond to special features your Guild Wars 2 characters can “inherit” from your own legendary past, giving you access to exclusive titles, companions (Heroes and pets), weapons, attire, and miniatures. These inherited items are unique: there is no other way within Guild Wars 2 to acquire them."

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

You're acting like they made these promises last week. Wait, you're acting like these were promises, and not just "we plan to do this". Plans change, it's life. That's all I have to say.

No its clearly a promise to the community made at the release of gw:en and even if plans change they made the player base expect these rewards so they could market eotn but moving past that that the HoM is designed to give rewards for gw1 achievements in gw2, the pure fact there announcing rewards soon proves that rewards do exist. Everyone will know without a doubt what the rewards will be "very soon" apparently.

Shadowmoon

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Join Date: Jun 2006

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25 Aug 2010 at 14:35 - 127

I wonder what type of S Storm would happen if the highest tier is a close beta key:P. Honestly if you are so far in production that they can say what the fluff rewards, then they must be getting beta testing close:P.

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

25 Aug 2010 at 15:52 - 128

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I wonder what type of S Storm would happen if the highest tier is a close beta key:P. Honestly if you are so far in production that they can say what the fluff rewards, then they must be getting beta testing close:P.

These forums would implode.

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

25 Aug 2010 at 15:57 - 129

The HoM coupled with a few new skills and the PvE only skills made EOTN pretty much a necessity for people that were really into GW. I don't know of many PvE meta builds that don't incorporate the max number of PvE only skills now or something close to it. The HoM was a HUGE selling point for me. Would I have not bought EOTN if not for the HoM? I still would have, but I have been looking forward to finding this info ou for a good long while now and I am very excited to see how it all goes. Will I get mad if its not all I thought it would be? Nope. GW2 looks like it is gonna be a really fun game and that is what it is really all about.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

25 Aug 2010 at 16:10 - 130

Personally, I'm not concerned about it. My hall's not "full", and it's not likely to ever be full. Not that it couldn't be, but I just can't be bothered.

Nerel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

Australia, what you want my home address?

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:16 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

And yet ironically the sales from GW:EN paid for gw2.

You're an accountant at NCsoft? Still, it's pretty amazing that they're making GW2 on such a TINY budget, paying the income of some 200+ staffers for about three years solely on the monies made from one game expansion, must be quite the relief for NCsoft, what with their other financial troubles...

Arduin

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The Netherlands

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:30 - 132

^ What Nerel said. There's a reason Anet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft.

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Don't promise what you'd like to do, promise what you can do. When people pay for something, they should expect it.

Welcome to the real world. Better learn it now, it will save you from disappointments later on in your life.

own age myname

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Minnesota

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:30 - 133

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Originally Posted by Wynthyst

If someone buys GW to fill their HOM for GW2, then they deserve the items. I was talking about making them available to non GW players through the store, or other GW2 only means.

I'm sorry if I came off sounding differently. I don't believe however, that many people will actually buy GW once GW2 comes out for the sole purpose of getting these shinies, so it will still represent a history of achievement for those of us who have them.

Actually, I'm almost 100% sure Anet said that the HoM will be closed off to new accounts after GW2 is released. I'll browse around for the link if you guys don't believe me.

Xiaquin

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:32 - 134

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Originally Posted by own age myname

Actually, I'm almost 100% Anet said that the HoM will be closed off to new accounts after GW2 is released.

Going to need a source on this.

own age myname

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:35 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiaquin

Going to need a source on this.

Ok

Quote:

Ten Ton Hammer: Will new players be able to go back and play through the original Guild Wars after the release of Guild Wars 2 in order to get those special items in the Hall of Monuments? Or will there be a cut-off point to that sort of content?

Jeff: I don't know exactly what the timing will be, but I will tell you that we aren't going to allow new players to Guild Wars 2 to go back and get those items in the Hall of Monuments. Our intent is to reward players who are playing Guild Wars right now. We have so many people who have stepped up to make Guild Wars successful and have invested so much time into their characters. The whole point of this [the Hall of Monuments] is to reward those gamers. We want to say, "Thanks for playing those one, two, or three years in our original game. We appreciate you guys getting into the game early, and we want to reward you for that."

source: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/10908

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

25 Aug 2010 at 16:36 - 136

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Originally Posted by own age myname

Actually, I'm almost 100% sure Anet said that the HoM will be closed off to new accounts after GW2 is released. I'll browse around for the link if you guys don't believe me.

I remember them saying this, but I can't find the link anymore. The only thing I can find now is them saying the opposite.

Xiaquin

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:40 - 137

Thanks for the link. Avoids the speculation and expected trollings. I do tend to agree that it's fair, or all those "exclusive" items would be on everyone new who wanted them after a couple of years.

Arduin

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:41 - 138

The Tentonhammer interview is from 2007, is it still relevant?

We do know that accomplishments dedicated in GW1's Hall of Monuments will continue to update your GW2 account even after GW2's release.

I haven't found a definitive answer on this question yet.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

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Minnesota

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:43 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

The Tentonhammer interview is from 2007, is it still relevant?

We do know that accomplishments dedicated in GW1's Hall of Monuments will continue to update your GW2 account even after GW2's release.

I haven't found a definitive answer on this question yet.

Yes it's from '07. But I see no reason for the philosophy to change. If they do change it, the rage on here and GW2guru won't be pleasant.

Arduin

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:46 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

Yes it's from '07. But I see no reason for the philosophy to change. If they do change it, the rage on here and GW2guru won't be pleasant.

Rage? People would still need to complete the same tasks in GW as I did in order to reap the benefits. I don't care if they did it 5 years ago or 5 years in the future.

own age myname

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Minnesota

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25 Aug 2010 at 16:47 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

Rage? People would still need to complete the same tasks in GW as I did in order to reap the benefits. I don't care if they did it 5 years ago or 5 years in the future.

I personally wouldn't care. But many others do.

Ninja Ninja

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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25 Aug 2010 at 17:25 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

Rage? People would still need to complete the same tasks in GW as I did in order to reap the benefits. I don't care if they did it 5 years ago or 5 years in the future.

I expect to see people trading gw2 money for gw1 money, with gw2 currency being worth more.

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Originally Posted by Nerel

You're an accountant at NCsoft? Still, it's pretty amazing that they're making GW2 on such a TINY budget, paying the income of some 200+ staffers for about three years solely on the monies made from one game expansion, must be quite the relief for NCsoft, what with their other financial troubles...

Prophecies paid for factions paid for nightfall paid for eye of the north made down payment on gw2 to line with potential investors and for people to buy there stock. The majority of the money they get comes from new games they release for $70+, they do collect money off previous old releases but the trilogy selling for $20+ now is only a fraction of $210+ they made on the games initial release.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

25 Aug 2010 at 18:59 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduin

The Tentonhammer interview is from 2007, is it still relevant?

I remember someone linking this interview in another thread but then someone else said they changed their mind in the meantime and linked something newer...but I really really can't remember where it was.

MisterB

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25 Aug 2010 at 19:08 - 144

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

I remember someone linking this interview in another thread but then someone else said they changed their mind in the meantime and linked something newer...but I really really can't remember where it was.

That someone else may have been me. People keep digging up that quote by Jeff Strain in '07, but there was a developer update in '08 that tells us the HoM may be updated anytime after GW2 is released.

own age myname

Desert Nomad

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Minnesota

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25 Aug 2010 at 19:18 - 145

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Originally Posted by MisterB

That someone else may have been me. People keep digging up that quote by Jeff Strain in '07, but there was a developer update in '08 that tells us the HoM may be updated anytime after GW2 is released.

I see, but still it doesn't mention the fact that people can buy GW1 after GW2's release and still have access to the HoM *shrug*

snowman relic

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N/Mo

25 Aug 2010 at 20:49 - 146

After 5 years of uncertinty about this game i was reluctant to fill my HoM with my items i rather like unded or uncustomized because they bounce between characters of mine and i swear if areanet doesnt give us a minimum of 6 months to fill HoM after the guide is given outfor rewards hell will be raised

why doesnt anet just make HoM that can have stuff added to accesible to only players with accounts as of say the day gw2 beta comes out?

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

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25 Aug 2010 at 22:55 - 147

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Originally Posted by snowman relic

After 5 years of uncertinty about this game i was reluctant to fill my HoM with my items i rather like unded or uncustomized because they bounce between characters of mine and i swear if areanet doesnt give us a minimum of 6 months to fill HoM after the guide is given outfor rewards hell will be raised

you have had 3 years to fill you HoM. you had over a year knowing that it will be account wide. Honestly HoM is probably the lowest priority compare to most of the game content. Just them speaking about releasing what it does hint that game is coming soon. Close beta probably just months away.
Grasshopper and the ant, you knew winter was coming.

MisterB

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25 Aug 2010 at 23:12 - 148

There is no deadline to fill your Hall if you already have EotN now. We've been told it may be updated even after GW2 is out.

snowman relic

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

your just a meatsheild to me

N/Mo

26 Aug 2010 at 10:50 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

you have had 3 years to fill you HoM. you had over a year knowing that it will be account wide. Honestly HoM is probably the lowest priority compare to most of the game content. Just them speaking about releasing what it does hint that game is coming soon. Close beta probably just months away.
Grasshopper and the ant, you knew winter was coming.

well shadowmoon if you played for at least 4 years youd have known anet doesnt always deliver i didnt want to put all my items into the hall, and i just mean the weapon monument and the mini monument, i dont know what to expect from areanet and personally i hate when minis say dedicated so i kept my more expensive ones unded when areanet tells me the actual list of what you can get then ill ded or customize them untill then i will sit on the sidelines waiting just because youve thrown caution to the wind itll be your fault if its a fail

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

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26 Aug 2010 at 10:58 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

you have had 3 years to fill you HoM. you had over a year knowing that it will be account wide. Honestly HoM is probably the lowest priority compare to most of the game content. Just them speaking about releasing what it does hint that game is coming soon. Close beta probably just months away.
Grasshopper and the ant, you knew winter was coming.

IN this case I hope account wide will mean not a total but unique for the account. So it's no use to dedicate all mini's, and collect all weapons on all your chars.

The Mountain

Forge Runner

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Realm of the GWAMMs

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26 Aug 2010 at 13:03 - 151

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Originally Posted by snowman relic

well shadowmoon if you played for at least 4 years youd have known

This line made me laugh so hard, I had to post.

jazilla

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Guernsey Milking Coalition[MiLk]

E/Me

26 Aug 2010 at 18:15 - 152

i had concerns like others at first if my work towards my HoM stuff would be worth it and I decided to suck it up and just do it. Even if it wasn't what i deemed worth it, it was worth it to me for just gw1. once we start playing gw2, it will be such a secondary and even tertiary thing i believe. people are all about NOW though as opposed to having any foresight on what is coming. i still hope that there are cool armor sets i can get though. nothing would be a cooler cosmetic item than an outfit that i earned with a full hall.

Shadowmoon

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26 Aug 2010 at 18:37 - 153

Then why do you need 6 months to put up weapons and minis you already have. Do you think if the rewards are worth anything the prices of such thing will go down after the announcement? It should only take you a day to customize and dedicate what you have.

Skyy High

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26 Aug 2010 at 20:00 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

Yes it's from '07. But I see no reason for the philosophy to change. If they do change it, the rage on here and GW2guru won't be pleasant.

Eh, they've already said (like, back in 2009) that the policy had changed, and that anyone who makes a GW1 account and gets a HoM will get rewards in GW2. No, I'm not digging up the damn quote.

And, good. Why shouldn't they?

snowman relic

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

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N/Mo

26 Aug 2010 at 21:32 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mountain

This line made me laugh so hard, I had to post.

the mountain i was only referencing the past 4 years because before that the one year it seems like anet did a great job keeping to plans

own age myname

Desert Nomad

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26 Aug 2010 at 22:22 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

Eh, they've already said (like, back in 2009) that the policy had changed, and that anyone who makes a GW1 account and gets a HoM will get rewards in GW2. No, I'm not digging up the damn quote.

And, good. Why shouldn't they?

If that was said I'm sure it'd be stated on the GW2wiki instead of:

"New players to Guild Wars 2 will not be able to return to the original series and earn achievements for their Hall of Monuments.[5] The privilege is exclusively restricted to current players. "

That's just my view. I know it's a wiki, but GW2wiki is pretty reliable...

Chrisworld

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27 Aug 2010 at 00:09 - 157

Quote:

It does not take a full hall to receive rewards.

I KNEW it was going to happen like this! I am actually quite excited for this. And the quoted statement above makes me even more excited. To know I put trivial stuff in my HoM, a few 15k sets and your basic campaign finishing statues, I didn't have to grind the hell out of GW1 at all for some simple reward in GW2. I really just want a title for my GW2 guys that shows I at least beat GW1.

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

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guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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27 Aug 2010 at 00:36 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowman relic

After 5 years of uncertinty about this game i was reluctant to fill my HoM with my items i rather like unded or uncustomized because they bounce between characters of mine and i swear if areanet doesnt give us a minimum of 6 months to fill HoM after the guide is given out for rewards hell will be raised

that is basically only 2 monuments that you are speaking about. the minis and the weapons...you can fill the others without doing either dedicating or customizing (and if you have tons of white first year minis they are worth about the same dedicate or undedicated at this point)....so you can put your armors in as well as the heroes not to mention getting the titles and then just hold off on the weapons and minis (though you should have a bunch of these critters already ......).....so not a big deal.
AND
I am sure they will give sometime after you find out what the 'big reward' is for filling this out.

FengShuiDove

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27 Aug 2010 at 00:49 - 159

Remember, it says a full HoM isn't required to receive rewards, not a full HoM isn't required to receive full rewards.

If they're starting to talk about it now, I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to work on it before GW2. Still, there are certain things you can do without knowing. Heroes and pets is an easy shrine, for example, and Honor should be "full" from just playing the game. You can collect the minis but not dedicate them, same for Destroyer/Torm weapons, and armor is something you'd want anyway.

I don't really see the problem.

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

27 Aug 2010 at 03:18 - 160

Just finished reading all the posts in this thread.......interesting that its coming off that some players are expectin Gw2 rewards for doing nothing more then using a credit card and buying guildwars 1.

Anyway

Quote:

well shadowmoon if you played for at least 4 years youd have known

How can he have known about GW:en and doing a hall of monuments 4 years ago!?!?!?!

Current date is August 26th 2010
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So I laugh with Mountain

Dunno if you ment that.....cant understand your post