Your Inner Monk Demon
Shrimz
I was doing the last mish in proph in hardmode for zquest on my war. I never once overextended or anything but i would die everytime. the monk said he didnt heal in PvE.. lol wtf he had a healer build but didn't heal anyone
cosyfiep
I think the only time I really wouldnt heal someone was the over extender--you run 2 rooms ahead of us and aggro the whole place and expect us to heal you?? (dervish with avatar of balthazar...yeah I was going to keep up with him--NOT!)
otherwise I have never had a problem pugging with my monk---
otherwise I have never had a problem pugging with my monk---
EPO Bot
Ever tought of turning of all chat wile pugging? It's relaxing.
Even tough i love my little monklet, i agree 100% with Anet's descision of removing them from GW2. They where simply too mandatory for their own good.
Even tough i love my little monklet, i agree 100% with Anet's descision of removing them from GW2. They where simply too mandatory for their own good.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Ever tought of turning of all chat wile pugging? It's relaxing.
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I'm not really for straight "punishing". I'd rather be friendly and help the occasional Wammo or Sin or whatever to improve. Then again, some people are just too self-confident and stubborn to accept any suggestion.
Moonstalker
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Even tough i love my little monklet, i agree 100% with Anet's descision of removing them from GW2. They where simply too mandatory for their own good.
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Coast
i heal overextenders with perma seed of life
Xenomortis
I regularly don't bother protting people who overextend and simply watch them die. It's much easier that way and it lets me focus on saving the teammates that are actually worth saving. It also makes energy much easier to manage.
I would do the same to casters who run to the frontlines, don't have a shield on swap and never kite or anything, but then I'd run out of players and teammates. I would also have to tell them to not bother being good when I run ER because it would only slow us down. The switch would melt their brains.
I would do the same to casters who run to the frontlines, don't have a shield on swap and never kite or anything, but then I'd run out of players and teammates. I would also have to tell them to not bother being good when I run ER because it would only slow us down. The switch would melt their brains.
chullster
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Originally Posted by Hell Darkblight
The monks are dead
Long live the N/Rt and E/Mo |
People use monks to heal in pve? what a novel concept.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
I regularly don't bother protting people who overextend and simply watch them die. It's much easier that way and it lets me focus on saving the teammates that are actually worth saving. It also makes energy much easier to manage.
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Tommy's
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
sabway > human monks
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Age
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Originally Posted by kazjun
If you have to micro sabway then you're doing it wrong.
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Orignially Posted by tha walkin dude It's funny when monking in PvE or low level PvP makes people think they're good. With some rare exceptions, the best PvE monk will be about equal to an average low-level PvP monk, and the best low-level PvP monk may be within the range of a below-average GvG monk. |
To those who think N/rt heros are better let them try to deal with stacked conditions or hexes as well interrupts from Windriders and not to forget Centaurs Mesmers Diversion.
Ellix Cantero
This thread should be far more effective at displaying why we should have access to 7 heros than any poll.
I don't know that I ever 'let' anyone die monking. On the contrary, I take pride in the fact that I monked for a top 20 guild back in the day and in pve I think my proudest moment came when I was the only monk for the Kryta Titan quest and no one in my pug even died.
I don't know that I ever 'let' anyone die monking. On the contrary, I take pride in the fact that I monked for a top 20 guild back in the day and in pve I think my proudest moment came when I was the only monk for the Kryta Titan quest and no one in my pug even died.
Luminarus
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Originally Posted by Age
I never use sabway.
I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better. To those who think N/rt heros are better let them try to deal with stacked conditions or hexes as well interrupts from Windriders and not to forget Centaurs Mesmers Diversion. |
Stacked hexes, unless ur running PnH ur pretty much screwed from that anywayz, but you could bring an off char convert to deal with that. But I have to agree that it is an issue, and why you adjust ur build depending on where your going.
Rupts from windriders - flag the N/Rt a bit further back, and spread everything out. Also remember, they are AI so on ur monk the few skills that will get through are Patient Spirit/Seed of Life. Anything else and ur looking at the same Cast Time as the rit skills. You also forget the rits party heals from PwK & Life that will be better versus the degen pressure of them.
Finally, how is a monk going to deal better with a mesmers diversions instead of a rit, unless your comparing Hero to player, in which case the a player N/Rt would be better then a monk in most sitations
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Ellix Cantero
I don't know that I ever 'let' anyone die monking. On the contrary, I take pride in the fact that I monked for a top 20 guild back in the day and in pve I think my proudest moment came when I was the only monk for the Kryta Titan quest and no one in my pug even died.
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Jenn
I think it's far more satisfying to keep a bad team alive than to have a fit and say, "Screw you - I'm the monk, and I call the shots." I've always done my best to ensure the success of the team through advice, effort and leadership. It's true that 90% of players don't empathize with what monks go through when they're not playing the monk, but most monks are also not as great as the attitude they carry.
By now, people should be aware that you can't count on your random selection of peers to play how you want and/or at the level of play you want. Until GW2 comes out, grab some heroes and henchies if you can't deal with others.
By now, people should be aware that you can't count on your random selection of peers to play how you want and/or at the level of play you want. Until GW2 comes out, grab some heroes and henchies if you can't deal with others.
Grumpy Bear
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
Stacked conditions - Mend Body & Soul = Non Elite RC with less heal.
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Mend Body and Soul-Spell. Heals for 20...96...115. Removes one condition for each spirit within earshot.
So unless you have numerous spirits with you, MBaS is no comparison to RC.
Ka Tet
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Originally Posted by Age
I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better.
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PvE monks are very used to getting by on seeds and on not being the target and not facing dedicated shutdown. Beyond that, their job is also usually made easier by people running some form of self-heal, aura-resto, troll unguent, stuff like that. Next, throw in spirits and minions which soak up damage that the team would otherwise take. Then, top all of that off with a defy tank, consets and an imbagon.
In PvP, the monks are nothing but the target and most teams have at least one member who's only job is to shutdown the monks. It's a totally different animal.
Lillium
Well, I am a very tolerant monk. I would rather explain what someone is doing wrong than just rage, and I would rather make an attempt to heal over extenders (or at least prot spirit/SoL them when I see them running), even if only so the team isn't down a meatshield. However...
About a month ago in DoA I was in a rather late night NM group and we ended up taking a W/Rt - against our better judgment. I think it was out of lack of people awake and bumming DoA. Well, first we noticed him acting extremely odd and kept asking him what was wrong, until someone realized he was botting. We all reported him then kept going. When he quit botting (half way through Veil) he turned out to be an even worse player and was extremely rude about it to the rest of the team.... After he got all the other DwG's killed. At that point I flatly stated I would not raise him if he died, and our other monk seconded it. He died at the Dreadspawn maw. After we collected our chest and moved on to Gloom he got the hint and left.
Leechers and botters should get what they deserve.
Actually, I've run into leechers on missions in pve plenty, and while it's not worth the effort of complaining most of the time, I would really like the ability to report for leeching in pve...
About a month ago in DoA I was in a rather late night NM group and we ended up taking a W/Rt - against our better judgment. I think it was out of lack of people awake and bumming DoA. Well, first we noticed him acting extremely odd and kept asking him what was wrong, until someone realized he was botting. We all reported him then kept going. When he quit botting (half way through Veil) he turned out to be an even worse player and was extremely rude about it to the rest of the team.... After he got all the other DwG's killed. At that point I flatly stated I would not raise him if he died, and our other monk seconded it. He died at the Dreadspawn maw. After we collected our chest and moved on to Gloom he got the hint and left.
Leechers and botters should get what they deserve.
Actually, I've run into leechers on missions in pve plenty, and while it's not worth the effort of complaining most of the time, I would really like the ability to report for leeching in pve...
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
It pisses me off that its become the norm to fear your monks, I've been in doa runs etc and someone says one negative comment to the monk they rage quit every single time. If someone criticizes you suck it up and get over it.
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Skyy High
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Originally Posted by Age
I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better.
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No.
Quaker
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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor
The reason for this is I told him to drop Defy Pain and Endure pain and bring something better.
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I told him "it's my job to keep you alive and no one died even while your picking flowers back there."..... When your healing, the team is in your hands for better or in this case for worse. |
Elektraaa
If I want to do missions, I'll do it on my own. I know I'll be able to do a better job of it with heroes rather than using pugs.
If I join a pug, it's because I'm bored or something. I fully understand that certain players will run bad skills bars. It is pointless picking on a warrior, because the other players are also probably running a bad skill bar. In this case, "two wrongs don't make a right". Also, OP, just because no one died, it doesn't mean you're a good monk, and it doesn't mean he should trust you. Childishness really.
What was your skillbar?
Judging by this and this post you don't actually know much about the game. So I don't see why you're picking on people that perhaps aren't as good as you. There's plenty of people a lot better and they could all make fun of you if they wanted to, but really, generally - what's the point? I doubt that warrior will have learned anything. The same as you'll probably try to argue with my post here.
If I join a pug, it's because I'm bored or something. I fully understand that certain players will run bad skills bars. It is pointless picking on a warrior, because the other players are also probably running a bad skill bar. In this case, "two wrongs don't make a right". Also, OP, just because no one died, it doesn't mean you're a good monk, and it doesn't mean he should trust you. Childishness really.
What was your skillbar?
Judging by this and this post you don't actually know much about the game. So I don't see why you're picking on people that perhaps aren't as good as you. There's plenty of people a lot better and they could all make fun of you if they wanted to, but really, generally - what's the point? I doubt that warrior will have learned anything. The same as you'll probably try to argue with my post here.
fr.aodhan
All players, but healers in particular, have to decide whether they're in GW for the game or to win bitchfests. Both are valid ways to blow off steam at the end of the day, but it's a good idea not to confuse them. Engaging in the latter makes you bad at the former - it doesn't matter how good you are at pressing the buttons if personal difficulties can make you stop.
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by Quaker
First off, getting someone to change their build to what you think they should use is not a good idea. They are usually familiar with what they are using, and may not be comfortable with changes they are not familiar with.
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No matter how comfortable someone is with using a Warrior with Life Attunement and Defy Pain in PvE, it doesn't change the fact he's not very useful and would be much better off using a different build even if he were not very comfortable with it.
Age
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Originally Posted by Luminarus
Stacked conditions - Mend Body & Soul = Non Elite RC with less heal.
Stacked hexes, unless ur running PnH ur pretty much screwed from that anywayz, but you could bring an off char convert to deal with that. But I have to agree that it is an issue, and why you adjust ur build depending on where your going. Rupts from windriders - flag the N/Rt a bit further back, and spread everything out. Also remember, they are AI so on ur monk the few skills that will get through are Patient Spirit/Seed of Life. Anything else and ur looking at the same Cast Time as the rit skills. You also forget the rits party heals from PwK & Life that will be better versus the degen pressure of them. Finally, how is a monk going to deal better with a mesmers diversions instead of a rit, unless your comparing Hero to player, in which case the a player N/Rt would be better then a monk in most sitations |
I don't think you really understand how a Monk works as you never played one.Yes I have a Necro.I did have Rit once it sat at the grove mission for 4 months untill I deleted it.
I still say a pug Monk can be even be better than a pvp Monk as pvp Monks know their team and are dealing with a balanced team 4 vs 4 or 8 vs 8.you don't have to deal with mobs and possibly that 9 or 10 year old behind that keyboard from Runescape.
dancing gnome
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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja
You are everything I hate in the game.
long live hero monks |
I sometimes let people die when they constantly overextend despite being asked not to and their continuing to do it becomes dangerous, not putting the party at risk to keep them alive is the choice I make but I never get so drunk on monk power that I pull a move like the OP did. That's a douchebag way to play.
I often hear on Guild Cast Rubi will laugh about the monk strike but to me that's embarrassing. My main was a monk back in 2005 and I got frustrated with people sometimes but for the most part I knew everyone was there to have fun and work together, not all people view things the same way. Monks that pull stunts like that are often very crappy monks during their best efforts so they shouldn't be complaining.
aefghuys
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Originally Posted by lanier
i really dislike human healers who have temper tantrums and refuse to heal b/c someone did something they didn't like.
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own age myname
One time in the old FoWSC the MT was just horrible. And he kept blaming me for not healing him. Plus I was having a bad day that day (I remember it perfectly). Well, when we finally got to the forest I took the griffon quest and left the party. That's probably the only thing bad I've done as monking lol.
Phaern Majes
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Originally Posted by aefghuys
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If someone runs out of range its their own fault, but to refuse to heal someone because they accidentally pulled too much is just punishing the other 6 players and yourself. If it continues to happen, then usually just saying something nicely in chat will get them to pull less. "Hey, could you pull a little less next time? This is overwhelming the heals."
If they ignore that then go for it let'em die, wipe, and replace them.
Squishy ftw
My 2nd most played character is a Monk and I'm quite sure I've never let someone in my party die on purpose just to 'teach them'.
If a warrior overextended so much that it'd become dangerous to the party if I ran off to keep him up, then I'd let him die, but I consider that just doing my job (= keeping the party alive).
I just care about doing my role in the party to the best of my abilities. If I notice someone doing a subpar job then I'll tell them what's wrong/could be better. Whether or not he uses the information I give him is up to him.
If a warrior overextended so much that it'd become dangerous to the party if I ran off to keep him up, then I'd let him die, but I consider that just doing my job (= keeping the party alive).
I just care about doing my role in the party to the best of my abilities. If I notice someone doing a subpar job then I'll tell them what's wrong/could be better. Whether or not he uses the information I give him is up to him.
Cuilan
I sometimes monk War in Kryta quests. Generally speaking, I don't heal or prot the tanks if there is one in the group. The tank is the lowest priority, but I don't really see that as letting out an inner demon.
AngelWJedi
And this is why i only smite in pugs. Monks are gods or eles with huge energy amounts. people expet you do keep everyone and yourself healed and chase after idiots that like to leeroy. if you want us to heal and keep party alive dont run across the map like you're on fire. we arent perfect and neither are you. 
Skyy High
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Originally Posted by Quaker
First off, getting someone to change their build to what you think they should use is not a good idea. They are usually familiar with what they are using, and may not be comfortable with changes they are not familiar with.
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If his favorite build was flare-spamming, would you ask him to change it? If not...well, you're more patient than I, but at the very least you should respect the right of a player to not want to play with someone that bad.
Further, a warrior with ANY bar who stays BEHIND the casters is absolutely useless. He literally may as well be dead, as far as his benefit to the team is concerned.
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
I sometimes monk War in Kryta quests. Generally speaking, I don't heal or prot the tanks if there is one in the group. The tank is the lowest priority, but I don't really see that as letting out an inner demon.
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Now, if you instead mean "tank" in the traditional sense, ie a player whose entire skillbar is devoted to keeping himself alive, I see your point.
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
My 2nd most played character is a Monk and I'm quite sure I've never let someone in my party die on purpose just to 'teach them'.
If a warrior overextended so much that it'd become dangerous to the party if I ran off to keep him up, then I'd let him die, but I consider that just doing my job (= keeping the party alive). I just care about doing my role in the party to the best of my abilities. If I notice someone doing a subpar job then I'll tell them what's wrong/could be better. Whether or not he uses the information I give him is up to him. |
khezial tahr
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Originally Posted by Lanier
I really dislike human healers who have temper tantrums and refuse to heal b/c someone did something they didn't like.
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Going to do Bogroots for another ZB. My friend and I both play Monks, advertise "2Monks no waiting" and immediately have a group. So, out we go. My friend is directing traffic, using the compass to guide everyone and keep the team together. One guy starts yelling at him to knock it off. And he's screaming and cursing for him to leave the compass alone. When my friend lays off, several people die by being stupid and aggroing the closest mob while running away from the group. So he starts again. Now the guys is all over my friend. Cursing, calling names and generally being insulting. All this time we're still ON THE WAY to the entrance to Bogroot. Thefinal straw was he told my friend to "Piss Off". So he messages me and leaves.
idiot- "Where did he go?"
me- "Uhh... you told him to piss off. So he did"
idiot- "what an a--hat."
me- "lol, serious? You're mad because you told him to leave, and he did?"
idiot- "That's fine, we can get by."
me- "No. No you can't."
And I left.
I've cut off heals for being people pricks, or constantly over extending. I don't see under-extending much. I just can't maximize my effectiveness when I'm dieing trying to heal one guy who runs as far away as he can each and every fight.
fr.aodhan
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Originally Posted by khezial tahr
Never left a game because someone was being a jerk? Never got mad when someone over-aggroed and caused the team to die? Never ever? Now imagine that every time someone does something dumb and dies, YOU get blamed. If you don't play 1 of 2 builds you "are teh N00b!"
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Lanier
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Originally Posted by khezial tahr
Never left a game because someone was being a jerk? Never got mad when someone over-aggroed and caused the team to die? Never ever? Now imagine that every time someone does something dumb and dies, YOU get blamed. If you don't play 1 of 2 builds you "are teh N00b!"
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khezial tahr
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Originally Posted by fr.aodhan
There's a big difference, though, between leaving a group because the drama/idiocy is making it impossible to play the game and leaving a group because you want to win a point. It's the difference between getting a divorce and slashing your ex's tires on the way out. By the time it's necessary to split, you really don't owe anybody an explanation and very few people can deliver one without being snarky.
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I have limited time to play, so when I get it, I want to play. I monk because I enjoy it. Like the old image says "Arguing over the internet is like competing int he Special Olympics..."
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Originally Posted by lanier
I was referring to the exact opposite actually. I was talking about situations in which the monk is the jerk and he rage quits b/c he doesn't have enough patience to deal with a new player who has a bad build. Someone used flare spamming as an example earlier in the thread. If there is a flare spammer in your group, then by all means give them tips on how to improve their build but leaving or refusing to heal/rez them is just... its just kind of an assholish thing to do.
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Miss Puddles
Personally after a tank repeatedly dies from overextending/overaggro, I keep ressing them to soak up damage if nothing else but don't leave them dead.
Annoying that it even has to be an issue, though. This is why I don't monk for pugs often.
Annoying that it even has to be an issue, though. This is why I don't monk for pugs often.
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by Lanier
its just kind of an assholish thing to do.
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This is another one of his stories. I don't really care how much or little time you have, but you're playing with people when you're playing with people...
khezial tahr
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...9&postcount=59
This is another one of his stories. I don't really care how much or little time you have, but you're playing with people when you're playing with people... |