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Ravious

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21 Sep 2010 at 12:36 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Um....#1 rule of an interviewer.....don't piss of the person you're interviewing.

KillTenRats, and every other recent interviewer, doesn't want to piss off John, the Live Team, or Anet in general. They want future interviews.

And, by the way, I'm around 99.9% sure that they're required to submit their questions ahead of time for approval from the CM team. They're probably not even allowed to ask tough questions.

Actually the #1 rule of an interviewer is come prepared. In preparation, I learned that ArenaNet will tell me information that they want to disclose, and they will not tell me information, no matter how "tough" the question, that they don't. I find it a waste of everybody's time - mine, ArenaNet's, and the readers - to ask a very specific question that will get answered with "We're not ready to discuss that." In many of my interviews, they will on their own accord give new information anyway.

You are an intelligent guy. Ask a "tough" question, and then pretend to be ArenaNet and answer it. That's what I do before I send the questions off. So asking pointblank, "tough" questions like "why isn't the Dervish update done" will most likely net me a boilerplate 'our nose is to the grindstone'-'we want it to be right'-answer. So, I try and ask questions where I will get the most information when it is answered. Sure, all burning questions will not be answered that way, but IMHO it's going to be a better all around interview than "tough" question -> stonewall, "tough" question -> stonewall, etc.

Furthermore, ArenaNet has never prohibited any questions beforehand (but see above), and the CM team has never edited my questions. The questions are my own. Yes, the marketing/CM team has to approve ALL interviews because it's a matter of using developer time and other ArenaNet resources rather than "we don't want to answer tough questions."

Darcy

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21 Sep 2010 at 12:54 - 82

Quote:

Furthermore, ArenaNet has never prohibited any questions beforehand (but see above), and the CM team has never edited my questions.

That's nice to know, Ravious.

I am just grateful for the occasional GW interview by people like Ravious and Rubi who actually know about the game. Guild Wars is not the hottest topic out there. Most of the media is concentrating on GW2 and most of them have barely heard about either game. If any of them did interview John Stumme, they would be asking uninformed questions as they do in their GW2 Q&As.

jayson

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21 Sep 2010 at 13:01 - 83

I hate waiting for new content but I can at least be happy knowing more is coming. Happy to see more being done with GW Beyond.

Oh and please consider making the new hero a Tengu.

Karate Jesus

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21 Sep 2010 at 14:15 - 84

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravious

You are an intelligent guy. Ask a "tough" question, and then pretend to be ArenaNet and answer it. That's what I do before I send the questions off. So asking pointblank, "tough" questions like "why isn't the Dervish update done" will most likely net me a boilerplate 'our nose is to the grindstone'-'we want it to be right'-answer. So, I try and ask questions where I will get the most information when it is answered. Sure, all burning questions will not be answered that way, but IMHO it's going to be a better all around interview than "tough" question -> stonewall, "tough" question -> stonewall, etc.

Isn't that just a bit disheartening, though, as an interviewer? I mean, if I were faced with the knowledge that many other game companies are much more forthcoming, I think I'd feel cheated or at least manipulated.

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Originally Posted by Ravious

Furthermore, ArenaNet has never prohibited any questions beforehand (but see above), and the CM team has never edited my questions. The questions are my own. Yes, the marketing/CM team has to approve ALL interviews because it's a matter of using developer time and other ArenaNet resources rather than "we don't want to answer tough questions."

Please remember that my comment was in response to a question by Essence Snow. I understand that asking a "tough" question is foolish as an interviewer and have absolutely no doubt that John would have denied answering the question, if the CM team had even approved the question.

Again, it's just a little disheartening to see so many burning questions that the community has bypassed in favor of more.....I guess "news" is the best word to describe it. However, I don't understand how it can be "news" if nothing is actually happening, but whatever.

Oh, and out of curiosity, did you consider asking John a follow-up question about the GvG changes when he didn't reference them in his answer?

snaek

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21 Sep 2010 at 14:33 - 85

so if cantha is getting a gw2 storyline content update, it only makes sense that elona will receive one too eventually? thats quite a lot on their plate there before gw2 rolls out.

also, i can see it now: "derv update delayed yet again because we're working on snowball ats"

Ravious

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21 Sep 2010 at 14:36 - 86

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Isn't that just a bit disheartening, though, as an interviewer? I mean, if I were faced with the knowledge that many other game companies are much more forthcoming, I think I'd feel cheated or at least manipulated.

And some are much less forthcoming *coughBlizzardcough*. Honestly though, I am elated, not disheartened, that ArenaNet lets me interview them. I am sure that ArenaNet is well aware of this community's burning questions.

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Oh, and out of curiosity, did you consider asking John a follow-up question about the GvG changes when he didn't reference them in his answer?

Yes, and hopefully we will hear about it later.

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21 Sep 2010 at 14:43 - 87

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

Like you even use air and water heroes lol, most likely only earth, fire and ER Prot so 3 is enough.

besides I still think Togo is gonna be the new hero, I said this already but my posts tend to vanish here on gwguru *sigh*

Why togo? I was thinking Keiran Thackeray but then again we dont need another ranger hero :/ (why am I hearing a Tina Turner song in my head now)

Karate Jesus

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21 Sep 2010 at 14:50 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravious

Yes, and hopefully we will hear about it later.

I hope so too. I hear that it's not been going well. As Lemming and others will attest to, they weren't even able to get enough TK GvG'ers together to test the GvG changes.

Daesu

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21 Sep 2010 at 15:00 - 89

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Suspects: Rit, assassin, paragon, or mesmer since these have only 2 heroes. Add the fact that it is in Cantha, it is more likely to be a rit or a mesmer which is fine by me, I prefer them to another paragon hero.

I forgot it is also possible for it to be an assassin hero. Please we dont need another useless assassin hero.

Thalador Doomspeaker

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21 Sep 2010 at 15:32 - 90

I hope that the new hero will be a mesmer (hopefully female

).

Canthan content sounds really nice. We've discussed this a little bit over at GW2Guru's lore forum, and we suspect that it'll have something to do with Emperor Kisu's descendant, Usoku (who's a young boy in 1079-1080 AE). I hope and believe that we'll see more of the Tengu as well in that chapter...

John was quite successful at sparkling my interest, especially for Evennia's story.

Now, the most burning questions are, imo: when will it be released? How long will it take to get to the end of chapter two?

Essence Snow

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21 Sep 2010 at 15:36 - 91

This might sound kind of pessimistic, but what's the point of having an interview, if the information gained is the same as what a statement would give? Couldn't Anet simple release a statement to give all the same information (that they are willing to give) that an approved interview would asertain? I just think that the point of an interview is to acquire information that you would not by simply asking for a statement.

jazilla

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21 Sep 2010 at 15:58 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravious

Actually the #1 rule of an interviewer is come prepared. In preparation, I learned that ArenaNet will tell me information that they want to disclose, and they will not tell me information, no matter how "tough" the question, that they don't. I find it a waste of everybody's time - mine, ArenaNet's, and the readers - to ask a very specific question that will get answered with "We're not ready to discuss that." In many of my interviews, they will on their own accord give new information anyway.

You are an intelligent guy. Ask a "tough" question, and then pretend to be ArenaNet and answer it. That's what I do before I send the questions off. So asking pointblank, "tough" questions like "why isn't the Dervish update done" will most likely net me a boilerplate 'our nose is to the grindstone'-'we want it to be right'-answer. So, I try and ask questions where I will get the most information when it is answered. Sure, all burning questions will not be answered that way, but IMHO it's going to be a better all around interview than "tough" question -> stonewall, "tough" question -> stonewall, etc.

Furthermore, ArenaNet has never prohibited any questions beforehand (but see above), and the CM team has never edited my questions. The questions are my own. Yes, the marketing/CM team has to approve ALL interviews because it's a matter of using developer time and other ArenaNet resources rather than "we don't want to answer tough questions."

it's a good interview on your part and his for the most part. he's a funny dude but using the CB as an excuse for not working on the derv update is pretty lame. i want to hear your actual opinion of what was being said. i want commentary by informed interviewers and not just "here are the canned responses i got from developer A". is it me or doesn't it seem as if focusing on costume brawl rather than a previously announced major skill update to the dervish is A.) a waste of time OR B.) a cover up for why the Derv update isn't being worked on OR C.) a poor decision? I just want your opinion on that is all because we aren't getting any actual info from these guys as to what is really going on. they aren't obliged to offer up anything, but to lie about it or use CB as an excuse seems like a poor decision to me.

Karate Jesus

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21 Sep 2010 at 16:07 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

is it me or doesn't it seem as if focusing on costume brawl rather than a previously announced major skill update to the dervish is A.) a waste of time OR B.) a cover up for why the Derv update isn't being worked on OR C.) a poor decision?

D) All of the above.

Skyy High

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21 Sep 2010 at 16:08 - 94

How is using CB as an "excuse" lame? Halloween has a set date, if they want to make any changes to the builds (let alone maps) they need to have them done by then. That's a date that they can't change or push back, unlike, say, the Dervish update. CB is something that a lot of people really look forward to. Yes, I even think it'd be cool if it could stay year-round, as sort of the "casual Codex" (heh, CA and CB). We know they swap builds around every year, so it's not like they're just scrambling for something to work on to delay the dervish update....and seriously, why the **** would they just push something back for no reason? For teh lulz? I've heard conspiracy theorists less loony than that.

If you want to criticize decisions, fine, but can you all stop with the absurd "they're covering it up, they want us to forget about it!" BS? If they were covering it up, they wouldn't have talked about it in the interview, which, in case you forget, actually did give us a new snippet of info: they're not just changing skill numbers or making AoHM scale with Mysticism, they're looking to revamp the class with new mechanics. That's new. It also begins to explain why this is taking so long.

The mesmer update was worth the wait. Chill the **** out already.

ilr

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21 Sep 2010 at 17:18 - 95

Panic was worth the wait? ....Rly?? If that's the case then I hope they never update the Dervish. Cuz that's the only meta most idiots out there took away from that update...friggin Panic. All the real Utility was jettisoned in the Beta testing. Those of us who "main" dervishes are a small but dedicated group just like Mesmers used to be and we enjoy the mental exercises our builds require as opposed to W/D & Critsin Facerolling... Infact my Derv started with mesmer secondary (which I use in PvP btw) so I'm in for a second whammy here when they dumb the ****ing primary down even worse.

So unless this "new mechanic" they're talking about is specifically about longer scythe range or positioning *(like Scorpion from MK going "GET OVER HERE" everytime you hook something) it'll probably be a buttload of wasted time they coulda just spent on following the wiki feedback suggestion instead for much better results ...without pandering to morons.

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21 Sep 2010 at 17:20 - 96

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

How is using CB as an "excuse" lame? Halloween has a set date, if they want to make any changes to the builds (let alone maps) they need to have them done by then. That's a date that they can't change or push back, unlike, say, the Dervish update. CB is something that a lot of people really look forward to. Yes, I even think it'd be cool if it could stay year-round, as sort of the "casual Codex" (heh, CA and CB). We know they swap builds around every year, so it's not like they're just scrambling for something to work on to delay the dervish update....and seriously, why the **** would they just push something back for no reason? For teh lulz? I've heard conspiracy theorists less loony than that.

If you want to criticize decisions, fine, but can you all stop with the absurd "they're covering it up, they want us to forget about it!" BS? If they were covering it up, they wouldn't have talked about it in the interview, which, in case you forget, actually did give us a new snippet of info: they're not just changing skill numbers or making AoHM scale with Mysticism, they're looking to revamp the class with new mechanics. That's new. It also begins to explain why this is taking so long.

The mesmer update was worth the wait. Chill the **** out already.

took the wall of text right outta my mouth.

Verene

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21 Sep 2010 at 17:35 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Um....#1 rule of an interviewer.....don't piss of the person you're interviewing.

KillTenRats, and every other recent interviewer, doesn't want to piss off John, the Live Team, or Anet in general. They want future interviews.

And, by the way, I'm around 99.9% sure that they're required to submit their questions ahead of time for approval from the CM team. They're probably not even allowed to ask tough questions.

More likely that John, or whoever else is being interviewed, is only authorized to give certain answers. They aren't exactly free to speak their minds in response to the questions posed to them.

(we did an event at work recently that involved my boss being interviewed on the radio. He was given a list of questions they were likely going to ask, along with the answers that he was allowed to give to those questions. It happens.)

As I said earlier in this thread, I'm impatient for the Dervish update and slightly annoyed that it's been pushed back again. My Dervish is my main, so I want to see how playing her is going to change. However, there's not much that can be done about that, unfortunately - they never committed to a (public) timeline on that. I just want to see it complete and rolled out before the end of the year.

Skyy High

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21 Sep 2010 at 17:59 - 98

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Originally Posted by ilr

Panic was worth the wait? ....Rly?? If that's the case then I hope they never update the Dervish. Cuz that's the only meta most idiots out there took away from that update...friggin Panic. All the real Utility was jettisoned in the Beta testing. Those of us who "main" dervishes are a small but dedicated group just like Mesmers used to be and we enjoy the mental exercises our builds require as opposed to W/D & Critsin Facerolling... Infact my Derv started with mesmer secondary (which I use in PvP btw) so I'm in for a second whammy here when they dumb the ****ing primary down even worse.

So unless this "new mechanic" they're talking about is specifically about longer scythe range or positioning *(like Scorpion from MK going "GET OVER HERE" everytime you hook something) it'll probably be a buttload of wasted time they coulda just spent on following the wiki feedback suggestion instead for much better results ...without pandering to morons.

We got a hell of a lot more than Panic out of that update, thanks. It just so happens that PUGs <3 mesmers with Panic now...and I'm fine with that. It's effective, it's somewhat mesmer-y, it gets you into groups, and it leaves 7 skills open for you to screw around with all the other toys we got.

Enchant juggling was the dervish's signature mechanic, and I don't care how good you think you are, it's just not worth doing it right now. It's debatable whether it ever was. If their "new mechanic" makes it worthwhile, wouldn't that be a good thing? It's clear from their talk, at least, that they're not content to buff numbers and tie everything to Mysticism to "fix" them, which we should be happy about.

Karate Jesus

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21 Sep 2010 at 17:59 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Verene

More likely that John, or whoever else is being interviewed, is only authorized to give certain answers. They aren't exactly free to speak their minds in response to the questions posed to them.

Actually, Ravious (who did the interview) already stated in this thread that he has to submit the questions ahead of time for review by the CM team.

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21 Sep 2010 at 18:02 - 100

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Actually, Ravious (who did the interview) already stated in this thread that he has to submit the questions ahead of time for review by the CM team.

Yes, I saw that.

It doesn't make what I pointed out any less likely, though. They need to know what questions will be asked so they can decide how they can be answered.

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21 Sep 2010 at 18:14 - 101

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Originally Posted by Verene

so they can decide how they can be answered.

or not answered in the case of the question mentioning GvG updates.

shoyon456

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21 Sep 2010 at 18:16 - 102

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Originally Posted by jazilla

it's a good interview on your part and his for the most part. he's a funny dude but using the CB as an excuse for not working on the derv update is pretty lame. i want to hear your actual opinion of what was being said. i want commentary by informed interviewers and not just "here are the canned responses i got from developer A". is it me or doesn't it seem as if focusing on costume brawl rather than a previously announced major skill update to the dervish is A.) a waste of time OR B.) a cover up for why the Derv update isn't being worked on OR C.) a poor decision? I just want your opinion on that is all because we aren't getting any actual info from these guys as to what is really going on. they aren't obliged to offer up anything, but to lie about it or use CB as an excuse seems like a poor decision to me.

Kinda hard to descipher this blob of text, but I agree with the content. Call it poor planning or what you will, but CB has a set date every year. If they had planned to change CB for some time now, they should have planned appropriately instead of starting on the Dervish updates only to stop partway through, letting it take backseat.

Remember when there used to be skill updates every month? Then they said they couldn't keep up with that, so they said every 2 months. Now its a few full skill balances a year, and they haven't even kept up with that.

I'm looking forward to what they put out for the Dervish since it is my main. It also sounds like they may have interesting ideas for the class, even though new mechanics will always pose a huge risk for game balance. However, its sad that this is the state of the support of the game I once truly enjoyed.

If they want to demonstrate that they haven't had their thumbs up their asses these three and a half months while working on the Dervish skills, they'll test out a sampling of these new mechanics/updates with the Dervish builds in CB. THAT would go a long ways for Anet's cred in my book.

I don't mind their dodging questions or any of that, since every business has to do that. I'd rather see their actions than hear the talk anyways. So far, there is little to no action.

lemming

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21 Sep 2010 at 18:43 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravious

And some are much less forthcoming *coughBlizzardcough*.

Considering the sheer volume of actual information Blizzard supplies through blue posts, this hardly seems like an issue.

Of course, when we're used to official representatives posting tripe, it's hard to think about it.

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21 Sep 2010 at 19:14 - 104

So I guess with the derv update and the GWB stuff being mentioned... we can expect the para update in like a year?

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21 Sep 2010 at 19:27 - 105

No that's the derv update..para a year and a half...

Ka Tet

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21 Sep 2010 at 20:10 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Considering the sheer volume of actual information Blizzard supplies through blue posts, this hardly seems like an issue.

Of course, when we're used to official representatives posting tripe, it's hard to think about it.

I love when Lemming gets involved, b/c then the less judicious mods seem to hang back and let the thread shape itself.

Also, I wouldn't try holding my breath waiting for paragon love.

Hells Fury

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21 Sep 2010 at 21:06 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ka Tet

I love when Lemming gets involved, b/c then the less judicious mods seem to hang back and let the thread shape itself.

Not the most favorite mod around here, mostly because he replies with sarcasm and arrogance.
Lets see when will this get deleted b/c it's off topic : P

jazilla

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21 Sep 2010 at 23:26 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

How is using CB as an "excuse" lame? Halloween has a set date, if they want to make any changes to the builds (let alone maps) they need to have them done by then. That's a date that they can't change or push back, unlike, say, the Dervish update. CB is something that a lot of people really look forward to. Yes, I even think it'd be cool if it could stay year-round, as sort of the "casual Codex" (heh, CA and CB). We know they swap builds around every year, so it's not like they're just scrambling for something to work on to delay the dervish update....and seriously, why the **** would they just push something back for no reason? For teh lulz? I've heard conspiracy theorists less loony than that.

If you want to criticize decisions, fine, but can you all stop with the absurd "they're covering it up, they want us to forget about it!" BS? If they were covering it up, they wouldn't have talked about it in the interview, which, in case you forget, actually did give us a new snippet of info: they're not just changing skill numbers or making AoHM scale with Mysticism, they're looking to revamp the class with new mechanics. That's new. It also begins to explain why this is taking so long.

The mesmer update was worth the wait. Chill the **** out already.

because CB lasts for about 5 days in the whole year. The Derv update affects gameplay as a whole moving forward. it is vastly more important in the grand scheme of things and if you had read my previous posts i said that the only way CB should trump the derv update is IF they put it in the battle isles.
The Derv update on the other hand affects solo play/pvp play/team play and which heroes to use. not liking my opinion is one thing. cussing at me and telling me to chill the blank out is ridiculous.

ilr

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21 Sep 2010 at 23:31 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skyy High

We got a hell of a lot more than Panic out of that update, thanks. It just so happens that PUGs <3 mesmers with Panic now...and I'm fine with that. It's effective, it's somewhat mesmer-y, it gets you into groups, and it leaves 7 skills open for you to screw around with all the other toys we got.

Enchant juggling was the dervish's signature mechanic, and I don't care how good you think you are, it's just not worth doing it right now. It's debatable whether it ever was. If their "new mechanic" makes it worthwhile, wouldn't that be a good thing? It's clear from their talk, at least, that they're not content to buff numbers and tie everything to Mysticism to "fix" them, which we should be happy about.

ugh I can't even respond to this... all I can do right now is /facepalm to avoid poppin' a vessel

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21 Sep 2010 at 23:41 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazilla

because CB lasts for about 5 days in the whole year. The Derv update affects gameplay as a whole moving forward. it is vastly more important in the grand scheme of things and if you had read my previous posts i said that the only way CB should trump the derv update is IF they put it in the battle isles.
The Derv update on the other hand affects solo play/pvp play/team play and which heroes to use. not liking my opinion is one thing. cussing at me and telling me to chill the blank out is ridiculous.

funny I didnt even see skyy's post earlier.

I agree pretty much with what you say. I think the builds need to be update and all but I mean really that should take only a short period of time. They shouldn't be doing much work on it when a major update is needed to bring an entire profession into a useful state.

I mean really which is more important? A week long (I don't remember the actually length so I'll guess) minigame, or, An update that will (hopefully) fix an entire profession and have a long lasting/permanent effect on the game.

Not saying its necessarily a cover-up. I'm saying they need to get their priorities straight or make CB permanent, with the update.

Edit: While I would like to note that I would love for CB to be made permanent. Still they should fix shit before they add stuff in that they won't be able to keep up with.

Karate Jesus

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22 Sep 2010 at 00:00 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by End

Not saying its necessarily a cover-up. I'm saying they need to get their priorities straight or make CB permanent, with the update.

Edit: While I would like to note that I would love for CB to be made permanent. Still they should fix shit before they add stuff in that they won't be able to keep up with.

Very true. I would love to see CB become a permanent thing in GW, but that won't fix the game and it won't make up for how bad Codex is.

They need to get their heads on straight and fix the important things.

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22 Sep 2010 at 05:04 - 112

I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.

Look at it another way: Halloween is for everyone, a dervish is one profession out of many that needs fixes. Demanding top priority, when it would mean pushing back event updates until next year, is completely selfish. Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking? Should that mean other items get bumped? Be serious.

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22 Sep 2010 at 05:22 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadar

Interview with the Live Team

As for the Dervish update, it has been seeing good progress although it’s temporarily on hold while this year’s Costume Brawl is being worked on – since there’s new costumes and builds being added. For those curious, the Dervish update is looking to include some new mechanics for the class to make it more feasible to play – it’s more than just a matter of changing skill numbers around. We’re trying to address issues such as other classes being better with scythes than the Dervish itself, which offers very little incentive to play one as your primary profession.[/i]

I don't know whether to be excited at the possibilities, or depressed at the possibility that Anet will royally screw it up.

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22 Sep 2010 at 05:32 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.

Look at it another way: Halloween is for everyone, a dervish is one profession out of many that needs fixes. Demanding top priority, when it would mean pushing back event updates until next year, is completely selfish. Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking? Should that mean other items get bumped? Be serious.

Theres always the possibility that god forbid dervish become viable heros in a way that would benefit everyone? Or that they may become usfull. And tbh CB only appeals to some people.

Next, CB is not bad the way it is. Ok, update the builds. Besides that nothing really NEEDS to get done to it. Whereas dervishs on the other hand NEED an update to make them viable.

Dervishs are a main part of the game. Your basically saying all those people who would enjoy playing their dervish's don't matter because we want to make superfluous changes in CB for the few people over there. Because them getting a frilly update is more important then the overall enjoyment of those who's main is a dervish?

If it was to make major overhauls to the ENTIRE event. I may feel differently but it's a small portion of the event that effects a limited number of people. Whereas if they do a good job with the Dervish update it could have a good overall effect on everyone.

Side note: We have seen how anet works under tight schedules and I wouldn't be suprised if the CB update wasn't done in time for Halloween anyway.

side note 2: I havent slept recently so if this makes no sense disregard.

Elnino

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22 Sep 2010 at 07:00 - 115

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I don't know whether to be excited at the possibilities, or depressed at the possibility that Anet will royally screw it up.

I'm putting my money on the latter.

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22 Sep 2010 at 09:22 - 116

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

Like you even use air and water heroes lol, most likely only earth, fire and ER Prot so 3 is enough.

Hero's don't run ER prot correctly without a lot of micro.. so that's out.

Generally my Vekk is Fire, Souskay (sp) is Earth, and Zhed is Water (Ward Against Harm is nice in HM), it would just be nice to have the 4th hero so I can run an Air ele, without having to re-rune and re-equip one of the others.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

think about it, 3 eles wont be used in same team, as most people use discord/spiritway/anotherway and you need healing, which henchies are not really good at, so 4 eles which wont be used in the same team cant be any better, with a team which allows 3 heroes from each player

Whilst to an extent that is true, I do like to set all my toon's heroes the same way. It makes it much easier when it comes to hero selection. For example, Dunk is always my healer, Tahlkora is my Prot, Oggie is smite.. Koss = Sword, Jora = Axe, Goren = Hammer, and so on, and so forth.

Most of the professions have enough heros to cover the basic build ideas (except Necros where Discord and Sabway sorta means you can't rune one Death, one Blood and one Curses and hope to cover everything), except Ele's, Mesmers, Sins, Para's and Rits.

MArcSinus

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22 Sep 2010 at 10:27 - 117

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Hero's don't run ER prot correctly without a lot of micro.. so that's out.

Generally my Vekk is Fire, Souskay (sp) is Earth, and Zhed is Water (Ward Against Harm is nice in HM), it would just be nice to have the 4th hero so I can run an Air ele, without having to re-rune and re-equip one of the others.

So wrong.. ER prot is a very very good hero build lol, I've runed sousuke to run both ER Prot and ER Orders so thats at least 2 in 1.

Ward against harm in hard mode c'mon man.. try using earth wards or the paragon shouts, same thing and not even elite.

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Originally Posted by Anon-e-mouse

Most of the professions have enough heros to cover the basic build ideas (except Necros where Discord and Sabway sorta means you can't rune one Death, one Blood and one Curses and hope to cover everything), except Ele's, Mesmers, Sins, Para's and Rits.

Also wrong, rune the necro's into Death magic, Curses and save on for a pure resto and you're done.

End

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22 Sep 2010 at 10:34 - 118

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

So wrong.. ER prot is a very very good hero build lol, I've runed sousuke to run both ER Prot and ER Orders so thats at least 2 in 1.

Ward against harm in hard mode c'mon man.. try using earth wards or the paragon shouts, same thing and not even elite.

ER prot is not bad on heros. But not as effective as a human running it. ER orders...I can't speak on as I have never used it.

Ward against Harm actually isn't bad. I have used it a couple times (though not on a hero) when I was vanqing areas with large amounts of fire damage. The rest of the build was stuff like blurred vision or Shard storm. Wasn't amazing. But wasn't bad either.

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22 Sep 2010 at 10:55 - 119

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Originally Posted by End

Ward against Harm actually isn't bad.

It's in Water Magic. I think that alone makes it bad in PvE.

fr.aodhan

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22 Sep 2010 at 11:09 - 120

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.

I think that's pretty clear, but it's also true that Halloween is entirely predictable, meaning that it could have been done at any time after the last Costume Battle.

In a class I teach, I give the students a list of the homework and due dates for the entire semester. If a student tells me that the homework is taking longer than expected and he has other priorities, I'm more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt than if he simply says that he's putting aside the homework to plan an upcoming Halloween party. To players who are devoted to the Dervish and are anticipating the update, the difference is subtle but meaningful.

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Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking?

It would have been easy and beneficial to say so. We can speculate that they had better motives for putting the Dervish update aside, but the reason we're actually given is that "there’s new costumes and builds being added."

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Should that mean other items get bumped?

Should updates to the CB be bumped for the Dervish update? Yes, I would like that. I understand others will vote differently, but as one player of the game, this is what I'd prefer. I'm more attached to my main than a seasonal event. I don't see why this opinion is necessarily invalid.