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It's in Water Magic. I think that alone makes it bad in PvE.
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Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by End
Maybe you should try it :P
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But since the AL boost means I need to stay in the same "in the area" location and that I've now specced a hero heavily into Water Magic (where Maelstrom and Blurred Vision are the only nearly useful things I get) I won't bother again.
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
I probably have at some point.
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Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Look at it another way: Halloween is for everyone, a dervish is one profession out of many that needs fixes. Demanding top priority, when it would mean pushing back event updates until next year, is completely selfish. Maybe they didn't expect it to take so long to get the dervish update to their liking? Should that mean other items get bumped? Be serious.
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I was unaware. I apologize.
Derp.
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Originally Posted by End
Indeed if it were a hero it would suck but being a primary ele. Maybe look harder to find some use-fullness?
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- ER Eles are good, including on a hero if you know the AI well enough to give them the correct skills.
- Water Eles don't really do enough damage in NM, and don't do enough support in HM. In other words, water eles aren't very good in PvE. If you run one, then props to you. Sometimes I run still run a pet with my warrior. That doesn't make it good.
- Dervishes were promised an update months ago and still haven't received it. Postponing that update for a week long activity is ridiculous. I understand the need to pander to the lowest common denominator of players, but the game is drowning and you're throwing us a cheerio instead of a lifesaver. Let's get real.
Now, back on topic
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Indeed if it were a hero it would suck but being a primary ele. Maybe look harder to find some use-fullness?
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reaper with no name
As a dervish player who's been campaigning for the class to get some buffs for over a year, I feel that I am uniquely qualified to comment on the issue of dervish buff vs CB. 
And both sides have a point.
CB is currently a seasonal event, while the dervish is a class that has been useless in PvE and one skill nerf away from the same fate in PvP for a long, long time. Even if CB were made a year-round event (we can dream, can't we?), buffing the dervish (if it works) would have a larger effect on the game than anything the Live Team could do to CB.
But then again, there's no pressing deadline for the dervish buff. No matter how late it is, it is still something that can be pushed back. Any CB changes the Live Team wants to make do have a deadline: this year's CB.
I do this as well. Most of my heroes have one build which I rarely change unless I'm updating them to a new permanent build. I don't think that it's a good enough argument for giving us a 4th elementalist hero, though, especially when a 3th mesmer or ritualist hero would please a lot more people.
ER prot works well enough on heroes in my experience. They just suck at using Infuse Health (hence "ER prot" rather than "ER healer").
And both sides have a point.
CB is currently a seasonal event, while the dervish is a class that has been useless in PvE and one skill nerf away from the same fate in PvP for a long, long time. Even if CB were made a year-round event (we can dream, can't we?), buffing the dervish (if it works) would have a larger effect on the game than anything the Live Team could do to CB.
But then again, there's no pressing deadline for the dervish buff. No matter how late it is, it is still something that can be pushed back. Any CB changes the Live Team wants to make do have a deadline: this year's CB.
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Hero's don't run ER prot correctly without a lot of micro.. so that's out.
Generally my Vekk is Fire, Souskay (sp) is Earth, and Zhed is Water (Ward Against Harm is nice in HM), it would just be nice to have the 4th hero so I can run an Air ele, without having to re-rune and re-equip one of the others. Whilst to an extent that is true, I do like to set all my toon's heroes the same way. It makes it much easier when it comes to hero selection. For example, Dunk is always my healer, Tahlkora is my Prot, Oggie is smite.. Koss = Sword, Jora = Axe, Goren = Hammer, and so on, and so forth. Most of the professions have enough heros to cover the basic build ideas (except Necros where Discord and Sabway sorta means you can't rune one Death, one Blood and one Curses and hope to cover everything), except Ele's, Mesmers, Sins, Para's and Rits. |
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So wrong.. ER prot is a very very good hero build lol, I've runed sousuke to run both ER Prot and ER Orders so thats at least 2 in .
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With regards to the new hero. Meh. We are limited to only 3 heroes so the introduction of this hero won't make too much of a difference since we already have multiples of every class.
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Astral_Nomad
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Originally Posted by Painbringer
A quote from the everlasting wisdom of Wayne from Wayne’s World “ZING” /hip thrust
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Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by End
Theres always the possibility that god forbid dervish become viable heros in a way that would benefit everyone? Or that they may become usfull. And tbh CB only appeals to some people.
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I think that's pretty clear, but it's also true that Halloween is entirely predictable, meaning that it could have been done at any time after the last Costume Battle.
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To players who are devoted to the Dervish and are anticipating the update, the difference is subtle but meaningful.
Should updates to the CB be bumped for the Dervish update? Yes, I would like that. I understand others will vote differently, but as one player of the game, this is what I'd prefer. I'm more attached to my main than a seasonal event. I don't see why this opinion is necessarily invalid. |
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Oh, wait, are we not allowed to have two professions anymore? Can I not go /D to benefit from changes? Are my dervish heroes not allowed to benefit from updates?
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[*]Dervishes were promised an update months ago and still haven't received it. Postponing that update for a week long activity is ridiculous. I understand the need to pander to the lowest common denominator of players, but the game is drowning and you're throwing us a cheerio instead of a lifesaver. Let's get real.
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Originally Posted by kupp
I'm consufed...
So he's saying that after the Gwen/Keiran content, they'll review the idea of adding 7 heroes party to the game, not that they'll actually do it then. Right? Seems clear but could someone confirm this? Nothing would get me playing GW again like having a 7 heroes party, everyone I know has quit by now and I'm standing in a glorious one-man guild since I rarely log in anymore, but beeing able to do the whole game solo gets me pumped up. So many possibilities for hero builds, though the thought that any kind of PvE difficulty would be destroyed by it kinda makes me sad too.  |
it wouldnt have to be a fully standard part of the game available for every mission - but preferably for the quests where player participation is low. for example, slavers exile or mallyx the unyielding. the veterans only want to get to mallyx - they arent interested in doing a full run and that makes it harder for the rest of us who need to do the full run because there are no henchies and you can only take 3 heroes.
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i agree we need a 7Hero party ability.. with as many people that have left the game and pvp being for all intents and purposes "dead", its difficult to even get some master quests done because everyone who cares about getting them done already did and they just wanna do maintence runs - not full ones.
it wouldnt have to be a fully standard part of the game available for every mission - but preferably for the quests where player participation is low. for example, slavers exile or mallyx the unyielding. the veterans only want to get to mallyx - they arent interested in doing a full run and that makes it harder for the rest of us who need to do the full run because there are no henchies and you can only take 3 heroes. |
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hum new heroes mecanics, maybe using our others characters as heroes, i would like that alot
a new heroe intrigues me, maybe a tengu or something epic. i first tough a sylvari, but they havent apeard yet, i would also like to have mursat XD i like the idea of the orbital mursat station |
cosyfiep
how about a ghost hero?? (like Rasti?) or one of the spirits from the underworld or Komir's 'friends'?
(and yes I too make my heroes the same, except I use sosuke as fire, vekk-air and zhed as water so I would like an earth ele hero, but whatever, and no I dont play much HM so the usefulness of stuff therein makes no difference to me).
Would like to see another mesmer hero (which was the other part of my original post on that subject) as we only have 2 of them and 3 would be great fun....just would rather not see another melee since I dont use them unless required.
(and yes I too make my heroes the same, except I use sosuke as fire, vekk-air and zhed as water so I would like an earth ele hero, but whatever, and no I dont play much HM so the usefulness of stuff therein makes no difference to me).
Would like to see another mesmer hero (which was the other part of my original post on that subject) as we only have 2 of them and 3 would be great fun....just would rather not see another melee since I dont use them unless required.
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Halloween is something we can all enjoy and celebrate, and forget about our problems.
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Or must I enjoy it?
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I also didn't say any opinion was invalid, but if you simply value what you only stand to benefit from, well..
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Of course, the snark is misplaced. I value what I value. I want what comes next to be what I value. I log into GW to have fun. I do not suspect that the people who prefer the CB update first are any more intrinsically altruistic than I am.
I'm disappointed with the frequency and quality of communication around the Dervish update. I'm disappointed that it's coming after a seasonal event update. I will not, however, believe this means I'm a worse person (in this case a selfish person) than those who are fine with a CB update first. The idea is ridiculous.
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i agree with this, but ONLY because the 7 hero system will be key for people who want to earn all of their HoM stuff for GW2 AFTER GW2 is out. GW1 will be such an afterthought at that point for most people that 7 heroes will actually make it fun to hopon every so often to reminisce.
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Karate Jesus
I think someone else has already said this in this thread, but I'm going to agree/repeat them w/o quoting them anyway.
I just don't see the point in a 27th hero unless they allow us to use 7 heroes. It's kind of like when we got M.O.X. It was nice, but....what was the point, really?
I just don't see the point in a 27th hero unless they allow us to use 7 heroes. It's kind of like when we got M.O.X. It was nice, but....what was the point, really?
NerfHerder
Actually, Dervishes will not be the only ones effected by the Dervish update. As Stumme pointed out, they are working on other classes out performing Dervishs with a Scythe. If you havent tried this build yet, its rediculously OP. Even Warriors can use the Scythe as well, if not better. Matter of fact, any profession with Asuran Scan, AoHM, Eremities Attack, and Mystic Sweep are, for the most part, just as good with a Scythe as the Dervish. Not to mention who knows what updated skills will find a popular use as a secondary skill.
So no, I dont think its selfish to want this update sooner than later. I'm not supporting the decision to put Halloween in front of the Derv update, but in all fairness Stumme did say he is a big fan of Halloween, so I'm not shocked this was made a priority.
We should also give Stumme a chance to prove to himself as he just recently took charge of GW1/GW:B. Blaming him now would be like blaming a president that has been in office a year and a half, because he hasnt fixed the 8 years of damage yet.
So no, I dont think its selfish to want this update sooner than later. I'm not supporting the decision to put Halloween in front of the Derv update, but in all fairness Stumme did say he is a big fan of Halloween, so I'm not shocked this was made a priority.
We should also give Stumme a chance to prove to himself as he just recently took charge of GW1/GW:B. Blaming him now would be like blaming a president that has been in office a year and a half, because he hasnt fixed the 8 years of damage yet.
ilr
w3rd.... I am so ****ing sick of Sins leaving me in the dust on crit damage while also getting superior blocking+unblockable in PvP & snoway speedclear bullshit in PvE. And all the Devs needed to do was fix VoS... they never needed to bother with all this "new mechanics" crap. The update coulda been done in the time it took them to write that interview.
Ka Tet
Warrior's Endurance W/D laughs at any other class using a scythe in pve.
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Warrior's Endurance W/D laughs at any other class using a scythe in pve.
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Karate Jesus
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And yet people got very upset when I said that the first step towards a derv update should be that WE and the other ridiculous energy engines should be nerfed.
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Making them more dynamic than just ordinary melee/enchant machines would probably be the smartest way to go.
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Then people would just stop running scythes entirely.
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Ok, good people might stop using them, but I don't see good people use them much now to be honest.
The idea on starting with a nerf is just to tone down the inevitable power creep. Dervs don't need buffing. Their skill-set is abysmal, their design worse, but they don't need more raw power which is all an update can really add to at this stage.
Xiaquin
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Halloween is for the entire community, a dervish is just a part of the community. After months of progress, yet with a one month deadline on the event, the choice is obvious. Priority is relative, not absolute; that is my final comment.
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*blinks*
Halloween is for the entire community, a dervish is just a part of the community. After months of progress, yet with a one month deadline on the event, the choice is obvious. Priority is relative, not absolute; that is my final comment. |
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by fr.aodhan
<snark> Which one? All of mine are disabled for the next 2 minutes, so I'm not sure they'll be of much use anyway. </snark> But yes, it is a little disheartening that they put aside the Dervish for a temporary event. This news is better than no news, but it's still unwelcome.
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<snip>Probably either a Mesmer, Ritualist, Assassin, or Paragon, since those are the only professions with only 2 heroes. Mesmer and Ritu would be nice in the current meta, Sin and Para would be a downright waste of time. </snip>
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One more elementalist would be nice to have one running earth. Zhed comes as water + ward vs melee and ward vs foes, Sousuke comes as fire + ward vs melee, and Vekk comes as air + blurred vision.
I really don't want another assassin. I have no incentive to customize their daggers because I don't use them...ever.
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Uhm..you do know you can just change attributes right?
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...Lot's of getting worked up here though. Just stick to HoM and you'll be fine. That's what the dev suggests...
If it's any consolation, you aren't paying a monthly fee so feel free to take a break and cool off.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
The idea on starting with a nerf is just to tone down the inevitable power creep. Dervs don't need buffing. Their skill-set is abysmal, their design worse, but they don't need more raw power which is all an update can really add to at this stage.
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However, if they had some change to their utility elites or a change to their overall focus (for example, if their avatars were less useless and not just another reason to spam random, crappy scythe attacks) then they might be worth playing again.
I mean, it seems that Anet's original intention for them was not that they be just another stupid melee spammer, so why not follow that same seam? I mean, give them ability to actually be useful as casters as well as with a scythe.
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I think you misunderstood. Halloween has a deadline, a profession does not.
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Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by End
Yup and they have almost 400 days to finish that update.
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shoyon456
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I think everyone missed the part where Halloween is time-sensitive, and a derv update, while difficult to complete, is not.
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Not to mention its been nearly four months when skill updates were supposed to be more frequent than that, this is sad.
Also, adding new mechanics will more than likely be disasterous. The Test Krewe, or what's left of them that haven't quit already due to Anet's crap, have their work cut out for them.
EDIT: My timeline prediction is Derv updates are finished and finalized mid November, Smiting updates and miscellaneous aren't done till May/June, closely followed by or preceded by Beyond content. Para updates exactly a year from now. And trust me, that is an optimistic timeline.
fr.aodhan
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Use Eternal Aura?
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fr.aodhan
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*blinks*
Halloween is for the entire community, a dervish is just a part of the community. After months of progress, yet with a one month deadline on the event, the choice is obvious. Priority is relative, not absolute; that is my final comment. |
Errant Venture
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On the other hand, Halloween is the same date every year. Anet has poor planning, otherwise they would have gotten the time sensitive material done ahead of time, so they had all the time they needed to work on Dervs. Instead, they half-assedly started Derv updates, went "whoops, forgot we wanted to work on CB guys," and were forced to put it on hold.
Not to mention its been nearly four months when skill updates were supposed to be more frequent than that, this is sad. Also, adding new mechanics will more than likely be disasterous. The Test Krewe, or what's left of them that haven't quit already due to Anet's crap, have their work cut out for them. EDIT: My timeline prediction is Derv updates are finished and finalized mid November, Smiting updates and miscellaneous aren't done till May/June, closely followed by or preceded by Beyond content. Para updates exactly a year from now. And trust me, that is an optimistic timeline. |
Sirius Bsns
If they give the dervish some decent utility [i.e.: some decent knockdowns, interrupts, daze, quick-activation attacks, stance-removals, enchantment removals, etc..] then is when I'd actually use them more and more. As of the moment though, warriors easily outclass them. Warriors have far more armor, and they have amazing utility that exceeds the dervish in every single way. I'll keep sticking to Devastating Hammer warrior until Anet finally gives me a reason to reconsider the dervish.
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On the other hand, Halloween is the same date every year. Anet has poor planning, otherwise they would have gotten the time sensitive material done ahead of time, so they had all the time they needed to work on Dervs. Instead, they half-assedly started Derv updates, went "whoops, forgot we wanted to work on CB guys," and were forced to put it on hold.
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I have a sneaking suspicion many of the people going "omg they're so laaaaaaaazy" are either kids who've never worked a real job, or people who have no idea what coding really entails.
Hai guiz, I have a wacky idea: maybe, just maybe, ANet isn't a bunch of malicious spite-filled lazy asses. Juuuuuuust maybe, they thought they'd get the dervish update out earlier, but oops, Halloween's coming, and they have this cool stuff they want to add for possibly the most popular festival game of the year, so they just put it on hold for a bit...exactly like they said.
Crazy, I know. How ever will you guys get your hate out if you start thinking of them as *gasp* actual human beings, trying their best to work on a game they've devoted the last 5+ years of their lives to?
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The Drunkard
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Hai guiz, I have a wacky idea: maybe, just maybe, ANet isn't a bunch of malicious spite-filled lazy asses. Juuuuuuust maybe, they thought they'd get the dervish update out earlier, but oops, Halloween's coming, and they have this cool stuff they want to add for possibly the most popular festival game of the year, so they just put it on hold for a bit...exactly like they said.
Crazy, I know. How ever will you guys get your hate out if you start thinking of them as *gasp* actual human beings, trying their best to work on a game they've devoted the last 5+ years of their lives to? |
And before anyone responds to this post with "This is a free game" garbage, it's not. Anet has been trying to release content to hype up GW2 to sell more of their products.
Nekodesu
WOuldn't it be awesome if the hero was a new profession with 8 fancy new skills *v*
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Costume Brawl has a deadline that can't be shifted.
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And you know they've been half-assing it...how, exactly?
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Like I said above, it's poor planning, period. Either they randomly just decided they wanted to change Costume Brawl at the last minute, or they didn't realize they should have started their Costume Brawl "homework" way in advance. The fact is that Halloween/Costume Brawl is the same time every year. In one instance, Anet doesn't have a yearly goal and makes it up as they go along. In the other, they just suck at planning. Either way, Anet is half-assing it.
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Crazy, I know. How ever will you guys get your hate out if you start thinking of them as *gasp* actual human beings, trying their best to work on a game they've devoted the last 5+ years of their lives to?
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Please tell me of an pre-announced game update released on time since EoTN. Now, when you've figured out that there isn't one you might realize that people are getting sick and tired of the constant excuses that Anet seems fall back on when they delay/postpone updates for weeks or even months. It's not the devs that are the problem, it's the CR/PR staff that refuses to do their job and instead releases interviews with vague deadlines mentioned.
And before anyone responds to this post with "This is a free game" garbage, it's not. Anet has been trying to release content to hype up GW2 to sell more of their products. |
Arduin
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Please tell me of an pre-announced game update released on time since EoTN. Now, when you've figured out that there isn't one you might realize that people are getting sick and tired of the constant excuses that Anet seems fall back on when they delay/postpone updates for weeks or even months. It's not the devs that are the problem, it's the CR/PR staff that refuses to do their job and instead releases interviews with vague deadlines mentioned.
And before anyone responds to this post with "This is a free game" garbage, it's not. Anet has been trying to release content to hype up GW2 to sell more of their products. |
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Correction, only about 2 and a half of those years we had the whole of Anet "devoted" to the game. Right now there are what, 4 or 5 people to do everything with regards to game updates and events? Sorry, but actual human beings need to be called out on their shortcommings, especially when a whole company screws the game they've already made and its' original fans.
QFT. |
miskav
You'd rather accept evil than rise up against it?
Sounds like cowardice to me.
Sounds like cowardice to me.