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mage767

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10 Oct 2010 at 20:40 - 361

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

How amusing. I'm eager to hear what makes your version better than ANet's other than "because I say so, durr".
Oh, and other than "because i've wasted so much time and now i feel like a sucker".

That's because my version is more fair. Why would all characters in GW2 get the opportunity to display GWAMM if you achieved it in only one GW1 character? A better title for GW2 characters should be 'Descendent of GWAMM", and that is applicable for all GW2 characters. But GWAMM is simply wrong to be displayed on ALL GW2 characters. You can argue all you want, but watering down GWAMM by mapping one GWAMM in GW1 to infinite GWAMMs in GW2 is simply wrong.

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If GW ever was "work" to you then I suggest you leave this game and its future instalments forever. Obviously it's not healthy for your mental health.

GW was hardly work for me, I played GW1 for fun mainly betwen work and studies. And who are you to judge what kind of real life I have? If you had known me better, you would not be making those bland statements. Believe me, it's not hard to be successful in everything you do, whether in RL or in game, as long as you are focused and determined. Again, you might not understand this because you never took anything seriously.

majoho

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Denmark

10 Oct 2010 at 20:42 - 362

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Originally Posted by mage767

but watering down GWAMM by mapping one GWAMM in GW1 to infinite GWAMMs in GW2 is simply wrong.

Again this is YOUR opinion, it's not a fact.

mage767

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10 Oct 2010 at 20:52 - 363

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Originally Posted by majoho

Again this is YOUR opinion, it's not a fact.

Somebody has some loose screws in his/her head.

Faowri

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Mantle Assassins

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10 Oct 2010 at 21:14 - 364

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Originally Posted by majoho

Ehh no, not unless people want to grind mindlessly, I'm glad they made it so that people just playing the game can get some way to get the items.

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I've played pretty much since the start (off and on) and NEVER owned an ecto.

Agreed. It's gonna be a push for me to invest the time now just to get the remaining 8 points to 30, and I've been playing for years. Maybe it is easy, I don't know, I haven't adopted any of the cookie-cutter meta builds people are using these days to speedclear HM or anything, I just play as I like. And I wouldn't call myself a "casual" gamer by any means! But it still requires a lot of TIME and non-enjoyable GRIND. Not everyone has the patience for that. Certainly, I don't, and I gladly give props to everyone who does and will get the titles in GW2 to indicate this.

I don't really understand the uproar over how many of your characters in GW2 get GWAMM or whatever. Is this not just nitpicking? There's gonna be a whole bushel of new GW2 content when the game finally comes out, and chances are by that point that nobody will give a damn about some silly cosmetic achievements carried over from GW1.

On the HOM as it stands, I'm really very impressed with how the rewards calculator has been set up and I love how it's now helped me set some goals, when before I was kind of meh over how much more content I wanted to complete. And of course, it makes me all the more excited for GW2 <3

Eragon Zarroc

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10 Oct 2010 at 21:27 - 365

49/50. need an oppressor weapon, lol.

Adul

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10 Oct 2010 at 21:30 - 366

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Originally Posted by Faowri

I don't really understand the uproar over how many of your characters in GW2 get GWAMM or whatever. Is this not just nitpicking? There's gonna be a whole bushel of new GW2 content when the game finally comes out, and chances are by that point that nobody will give a damn about some silly cosmetic achievements carried over from GW1.

This is also how I feel about this. While GWAMM is a pretty big deal in GW1 (okay not really, but it is the most prestigious title there is), it will not mean the same thing in GW2. When you see a GWAMM in GW2, you will know that person dedicated a lot of effort to title hunting on GW1. That's all.

It's a memento for you, the player, and it really doesn't matter just how many you have of it. You have it.

Iuris

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

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10 Oct 2010 at 21:43 - 367

While many things about HoM were iffy, anyone who thought that the ultra rare minis would matter as much for HoM as they do on the marker really doesn't have a good feeling for what Anet is all about.

fortior

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10 Oct 2010 at 21:44 - 368

Alas, this is the conundrum of many MMOs: people don't want to part with their achievements ingame.
Loosen up, let go and forget. Why would you want anet to implement every little thing so you can have the exact same gaming experience? Why would you want tens of titles and more things implemented that aren't even relevant anymore? Is it so you can brag about them? Is it so you can remenisce about GW1?

Why do you want every achievement and reward in a nigh six-year-old game to carry over to a wholly different one?

majoho

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Denmark

10 Oct 2010 at 22:15 - 369

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Originally Posted by mage767

Somebody has some loose screws in his/her head.

No need for petty insults, just because someone don't share your opinion it doesn't have to mean there's something wrong with them - but whatever, keep the insults coming and I'm sure you will be dealt with.

Malice Black

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:17 - 370

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Originally Posted by fortior

Alas, this is the conundrum of many MMOs: people don't want to part with their achievements ingame.
Loosen up, let go and forget. Why would you want anet to implement every little thing so you can have the exact same gaming experience? Why would you want tens of titles and more things implemented that aren't even relevant anymore? Is it so you can brag about them? Is it so you can remenisce about GW1?

Why do you want every achievement and reward in a nigh six-year-old game to carry over to a wholly different one?

They have to please the grinders who've been propping this game up for the last few years.

hydromorphone

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:20 - 371

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Originally Posted by fortior

Alas, this is the conundrum of many MMOs: people don't want to part with their achievements ingame.
Loosen up, let go and forget. Why would you want anet to implement every little thing so you can have the exact same gaming experience? Why would you want tens of titles and more things implemented that aren't even relevant anymore? Is it so you can brag about them? Is it so you can remenisce about GW1?

Why do you want every achievement and reward in a nigh six-year-old game to carry over to a wholly different one?

Personally, I prefer a game to be driven by content and interaction between players rather than titles or "achievements." In that sense, the HoM monument was a step in the wrong direction. However, who can argue with the fact that GW has seen its highest jump in online players and prices since WiK content was released. The Guild Wars recession is temporarily over.

fortior

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:23 - 372

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

They have to please the grinders who've been propping this game up for the last few years.

Ah yes, "grinders", as in not the people who played this game for fun I presume. Face it dog, those grinders don't make up the majority of the game. And even within the group of grinders only a minority will have the rewards mage wants implemented.

Never gonna happen, enjoy your brand new game with only a few throwbacks or just don't buy it, adhere to misplaced principles and miss out on a great game

But hey, at least you'll still have your miniatures.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

10 Oct 2010 at 22:27 - 373

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Originally Posted by fortior

Ah yes, "grinders", as in not the people who played this game for fun I presume. Face it dog, those grinders don't make up the majority of the game.

In game yes, most people posting here are of the more dedicated type so we might see a lot of people complaining here and it will not reflect how the average player feels.

Mordiego

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:30 - 374

I still think HoMs tuned up like that should be rewarded better, than the players' who fit the minimum req for 50/50 pts.
Why would aNet made it available to add more statues, than they provide rewards for? I don't rly understand this...

Malice Black

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:34 - 375

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Originally Posted by fortior

Ah yes, "grinders", as in not the people who played this game for fun I presume. Face it dog, those grinders don't make up the majority of the game. And even within the group of grinders only a minority will have the rewards mage wants implemented.

Never gonna happen, enjoy your brand new game with only a few throwbacks or just don't buy it, adhere to misplaced principles and miss out on a great game

But hey, at least you'll still have your miniatures.

Only thing I'm taking to GW2 is my name (if it isn't stolen)

Titles, weapons etc are of no great interest to me.

WhiteWasabi

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:38 - 376

108 minis in my HOM

fortior

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10 Oct 2010 at 22:47 - 377

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Only thing I'm taking to GW2 is my name (if it isn't stolen)

Titles, weapons etc are of no great interest to me.

It can't be stolen; names of characters with a HoM are reserved automatically (anet thought about that one, some people are really attached to their name).

Also anet made it possible to get more statues because those statues were the rewards for the titles. Derp.
I don't mind it anyway. GW2 will have much better looking weapons and much more epically sounding titles anyway, why care?

Faowri

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10 Oct 2010 at 23:04 - 378

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

I still think HoMs tuned up like that should be rewarded better, than the players' who fit the minimum req for 50/50 pts.
Why would aNet made it available to add more statues, than they provide rewards for? I don't rly understand this...

Simple - flexibility.

People can choose to build up their rewards by working at content they enjoy, rather than having to grind for specific things they wouldn't even do/get if they had the choice. Guild Wars has always, bar a few odd choices of campaign mechanics, tried to gear itself towards quality of content over grind. The same seems to be applicable to GW2. The HOM mechanics seem to reflect this.

mathiastemplar

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11 Oct 2010 at 00:02 - 379

Those who dedicated limited pets will probably be allowed to use them in GW2.. idk.

But I'm pretty sure most of those who own the pets knew this was gonna be the case.
Don't see a point in this "Haha" thread really:P

Angel Killuminati

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11 Oct 2010 at 00:11 - 380

At the end of the day the rewards seem purely cosmetic, especially the weapons and armor etc. Armor in game and the weapons in game can probably be modded to create the same damage, when used with the skills anyway.

It's not overly important, it just keeps players playing GW1, something Anet obviously wants.

MithranArkanere

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11 Oct 2010 at 00:50 - 381

I don't care. I don't mind.
I dedicated them all.
Varesh, Kuunavang, the Green Moa, The Bone Dragon, Shiro, The Black Beast...
Well, all I got.

LifeInfusion

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Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

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11 Oct 2010 at 00:54 - 382

You forget minis were cosmetic and for FUN, not to show off wealth. Instead people sold them, even the ones from contests. I can understand if you have duplicates but it is ridiculous.

mage767

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11 Oct 2010 at 01:25 - 383

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Originally Posted by majoho

No need for petty insults, just because someone don't share your opinion it doesn't have to mean there's something wrong with them - but whatever, keep the insults coming and I'm sure you will be dealt with.

Wow, that's very threatening indeed. I am so scared /end sarcasm.

Besides, I wasn't even referring to you. Ouch...

Clinically Proven

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11 Oct 2010 at 01:42 - 384

Very nice rewards, not too hefty on the grind component.

I'll rate the HoM rewards 29/30

V??na R??nd??ttir

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11 Oct 2010 at 01:51 - 385

Emily Diehl (of ArenaNet) said (of the rewards in GW2 HoM): "You are given the items for free. Well, let me clarify. You will go to the Hall of Monuments in GW2 and talk to an NPC. That guy will make your item for you for no cost. You can make as many copies of the items that you need, but they're account bound (so they can't be traded or sold)"

This makes me think that when ArenaNet give out rare minis (or other in game items) as contest prizes, (or as limited promotional items although I don't like limiting items by real world geography, residency, language, or wealth), they should make them like that too, so that they can't be traded between accounts or sold. Or at least make them dedicated to the winners nominated character in some way (perhaps in another account). That would stop some of the trading of rare pets and items at ridiculous prices, and leave the owners of those items with the respect due as winners, rather than the often assumed contempt for being unscrupulous traders or duplicators. It may also stop some theft of those high end items. The winners would of course then have to be content with their prize, rather than its in-game monetary value. Perhaps a public in game trophy cabinet could be where the winners names are recorded, and where they can pick up copies of their prize for their account. Or have a special section of the in-game store for prize collection.

Ninja Ninja

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11 Oct 2010 at 01:57 - 386

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Originally Posted by Vàna Rúndóttir

Emily Diehl (of ArenaNet) said (of the rewards in GW2 HoM): "You are given the items for free. Well, let me clarify. You will go to the Hall of Monuments in GW2 and talk to an NPC. That guy will make your item for you for no cost. You can make as many copies of the items that you need, but they're account bound (so they can't be traded or sold)"

What anet fails to realize is its just going to become the pre-post searing market all over again meaning you will be able to buy all the achievements.

Rever

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Join Date: Oct 2010

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11 Oct 2010 at 02:05 - 387

At what level can you display your Norn, Asuran, Delver and Ebon Hawk titles? Do they need to be max or can they be displayed from lvl 8 on?

-Makai-

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11 Oct 2010 at 02:07 - 388

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Originally Posted by Rever

At what level can you display your Norn, Asuran, Delver and Ebon Hawk titles? Do they need to be max or can they be displayed from lvl 8 on?

Max.

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AryaBladedancer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

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Order of Auralus

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11 Oct 2010 at 03:20 - 389

The main problem I have with the rewards is that there are so many titles. These are just titles available from GW1 HoM and there are, what...10 available titles? A character can only have one title on display so I would rather have one or two awesome titles than 10 titles that I will never use.

On another note, has there been any indication of what Mini Pets will be like in GW2? I imagine they'll be cosmetic and hang around by your feet as usual but that's so... very... normal. With all that GW2 is pushing to be different having them be more animated and unique would be a lot of fun. If the mini tabby cat would hiss at monsters if they came near for example, even if it did no damage, it would be more fun to have a mini pet out.

I guess just hoping for the same as with skills in GW2: Quality over Quantity

Essence Snow

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EST

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11 Oct 2010 at 03:39 - 390

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

I still think HoMs tuned up like that should be rewarded better, than the players' who fit the minimum req for 50/50 pts.
Why would aNet made it available to add more statues, than they provide rewards for? I don't rly understand this...

Let it go........we get it you and one other person have all the minis...we dont care sry......power trading/duping/botting are/were the only methods of obtaining all of them...that's not what the game is/was about...sry bout your bad luck.

Shadowmoon

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11 Oct 2010 at 03:53 - 391

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Originally Posted by Adul

I agree. Promotional items should definitely not be carried over to GW2. Promotions are rewards in themselves, they do not need to be further rewarded in a circular manner.

I'd just want to make it clear that a Promotional items has already been included in the rewards, the Chimeric Prism, reward for 20/50.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chimeric_Prism

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

11 Oct 2010 at 04:12 - 392

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Originally Posted by mage767

That's because my version is more fair. Why would all characters in GW2 get the opportunity to display GWAMM if you achieved it in only one GW1 character?

It seems GWAMM is game-wide. Why can you display many titles in GW1 on a character you didn't earn them on? I don't see you running around GWG whining about that.
Solution for you?
Deal with it B)

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A better title

You seem to keep mistaking "better" with "my version". It's common amongst pve community.

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You can argue all you want

Actually, it's you who has to argue all you want since you have to convince ANet to change it. Gl hf.

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but watering down GWAMM

Gwamm and its entire title track is one of the stupidest things to ever happen to GW1, how can it be even more watered down is beyond me.

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GW was hardly work for me

That's funny since you said "More work done in GW1 should carryover equally in GW2."
Gwamm ladies and gentlemen- a person who buys a game, plays it and expects a reward for playing it.

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And who are you to judge what kind of real life I have?

Did I say a word about your life?

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If you had known me better, you would not be making those bland statements. Believe me, it's not hard to be successful in everything you do

I bet, but your defensive stance and putting words in my mouth combined with you forgetting what you said makes me think you hardly succeed in anything you do.

Elnino

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11 Oct 2010 at 05:30 - 393

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

Why would aNet made it available to add more statues, than they provide rewards for? I don't rly understand this...

If the HoM rewards were given the way you want it to be given, you would have to do pvp. boohoo!

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Originally Posted by White Wasabi

108 minis in my HOM

You must be kicking yourself pretty hard. I know I would.

DetreS

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

[HLO]

11 Oct 2010 at 06:56 - 394

Other 50/50 here...
I'm so happy with this good news about HoM and GW2, but... don't understan why some titles that they are so hard to get have the same valour as others... I think LDoA need a lot of time & patience, yes is afk, but no everybody can stay 24h with the computer/game running, and without DC's, doing aggros etc...
R12 zaishen or R15 of Ha are more importan than R3 zaishen or R6 HA, and very hard to get, I understan that with low levels you can put the monument on the hall, but no that they get the same reward as other with the max title..

Btw, good job anet ^^

Adul

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

11 Oct 2010 at 07:16 - 395

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I'd just want to make it clear that a Promotional items has already been included in the rewards, the Chimeric Prism, reward for 20/50.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chimeric_Prism

Haha, you're right, I didn't express myself very clearly. What I meant was that and item that players could acquire from promotions or contests in Guild Wars 1 should not contribute anything special to the Hall of Monuments reward meter. E.g. Divine Aura, rare miniatures, rare tonics, promotional weapons. These items were rewards in themselves and giving extra points for these would be circular.

Now of course I have absolutely no problem with some of these items making an appearance in GW2, in fact I was glad to see the Chimeric Prism and the Ithas Longbow among the rewards.

Rehnahvah Gahro

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

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11 Oct 2010 at 07:52 - 396

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Originally Posted by HellScreamS

glad to see you put all your duped armbraces from your friends to good use.

See, this is a big reason why all the limited minipets should mean nothing, and I'm glad they do mean nothing (other than bragging rights or something to look at for completionists).
Even though Anet said back in the day that they dealt with the duped armbraces, there were tens of thousands still floating around ingame.

From that moment on nothing was like before. And I don't care if some people actually got all minis legit. The fact that there are still thousands upon thousands of armbraces in the game that were created through duping has changed the high-end mini market forever. Some minis were on accounts that got banned, some got duped to a higher number, and while some dupers got banned, others got away unscathed.
I do not need to remind you that some of those high end traders are in a guild that also has QA-Testers and people close to Anet in their guild. I don't want to accuze anyone, but the "benefits" are clearly visible, and if it is only upfront information on planned changes to the game, which you then use to plan ahead for the future market situation.

So after my little rambling; I'm sure glad that Anet decided to go this way, not too much but also not just "display 20 Miniatures".

Black Metal

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Join Date: Jan 2009

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11 Oct 2010 at 07:58 - 397

I have a HoM question that the wiki didn't address. My warrior already has dedicated his Torm Shield. Can he also dedicate an Oppressor Shield, or does a different character who has not dedicated any shield have to do it?

Agar

Frost Gate Guardian

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11 Oct 2010 at 08:02 - 398

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

I have a HoM question that the wiki didn't address. My warrior already has dedicated his Torm Shield. Can he also dedicate an Oppressor Shield, or does a different character who has not dedicated any shield have to do it?

Yes you can and you can also dedicate a destroyer shield. Iam not sure though if a str destroyer shield and a tactics desroyer shield count as a different weapon.

Kook~NBK~

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Join Date: Mar 2005

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Natural Born Killaz

11 Oct 2010 at 08:23 - 399

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Originally Posted by Agar

Yes you can and you can also dedicate a destroyer shield. Iam not sure though if a str destroyer shield and a tactics desroyer shield count as a different weapon.

No, they do not count as a different weapons as far as the calculator goes.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

11 Oct 2010 at 12:27 - 400

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Originally Posted by DetreS

I think LDoA need a lot of time & patience, yes is afk, but no everybody can stay 24h with the computer/game running, and without DC's, doing aggros etc...

This thread is getting better and better, soon we'll hear that getting drunkard requires real sacrifice because you use up all those computer mouses...