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Adul

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

20 Oct 2010 at 06:55 - 281

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

Why would they shut down GW1? Not only have they already said they wouldn't, but with GW2 up, most players are expected to move to GW2, leaving GW1 with even fewer players. Which will mean fewer and fewer resources will be neede to run it.

Eventually, I expect in 5 years, GW1 will run on the sysadmin's old gaming PC for the hundred people that still play it

Well, online gaming and persistent worlds are still relatively new genres, but I still give this topic a thought from time to time. When the company which was maintaining the game is all gone, then who will be maintaining it? Of course, it's rather obvious that one of the company's employees or a player could take that responsibility, but would that be possible considering there is a lot of people's characters and intellectual property on there? Surely there would be legal considerations about transferring a database containing a lot of personal information (email addresses, passwords, purchased products, etc.) to private property, not to mention that the game engine and servers probably have shared ownership among a bunch of people and/or companies.

There's no need to panic over this idea though, as this could all be decades away.

Rushin Roulette

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Right here

Ende

20 Oct 2010 at 07:41 - 282

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

I can see them recycling the old TA outpost for Embark Beach, I don't think gw live team is capable of making a new outpost.

Zaishen Menagerie says hi to this Post (not only outpost, but also new Instance). But I do see them recycling the TA outpost. It would be a shame to let that go to waste.

HigherMinion

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Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

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20 Oct 2010 at 08:24 - 283

I had only just got used to microing PS when luring and flagging heroes apart for big bosses with Searing Flames... The flagging system is going to look ugly. Will be incredibly fun though, and make theorycrafting builds even easier when testing.

I don't quite understand this Embark Beach place... Wouldn't it be more sensible to just merge every District into the partysearch for Euro/America/Asia, etc. for each outpost. What I mean is; what benefit do you get when, say, you want to get a run to Elona's Reach and everyone else wants to do UWSC?

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 08:38 - 284

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I'm aware people can HM Duncan with H/H, I think that's insane and shows a significant problem with skill balancing, not heroes.

I did this a couple of nights ago, and to be honest the hero builds aren't the main problem here - its the consets. I was getting mashed until I popped my conset and then the rest was a breeze.

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

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20 Oct 2010 at 08:49 - 285

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Originally Posted by Adul

Well, online gaming and persistent worlds are still relatively new genres, but I still give this topic a thought from time to time. When the company which was maintaining the game is all gone, then who will be maintaining it? Of course, it's rather obvious that one of the company's employees or a player could take that responsibility, but would that be possible considering there is a lot of people's characters and intellectual property on there? Surely there would be legal considerations about transferring a database containing a lot of personal information (email addresses, passwords, purchased products, etc.) to private property, not to mention that the game engine and servers probably have shared ownership among a bunch of people and/or companies.

There's no need to panic over this idea though, as this could all be decades away.

When a company goes out of business, it's all over, of course. Happened to me with Hellgate:London (bad memories...). Transfer of rights and data in these cases is a matter for the lawyers, really, but essentially, it boils down to: the one who offered a service is no longer able to fulfill its obligations, and no matter what they WANT to do, they CAN'T do it.

However, why are we considering Anet's failure? There's nothing indicating they're not doing quite quite well.

There are two factors that, to me, indicate Anet will not take the GW servers down. First, it will become less and less of a burden. Eventually, they'll probably archive the BLOBs of the inactive players, and only need a very small number of servers to run the game for the few remaining players, while still being able to say "GW1 is free to play". An important public perception matter.

Adul

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

20 Oct 2010 at 09:33 - 286

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

When a company goes out of business, it's all over, of course. Happened to me with Hellgate:London (bad memories...). Transfer of rights and data in these cases is a matter for the lawyers, really, but essentially, it boils down to: the one who offered a service is no longer able to fulfill its obligations, and no matter what they WANT to do, they CAN'T do it.

However, why are we considering Anet's failure? There's nothing indicating they're not doing quite quite well.

There are two factors that, to me, indicate Anet will not take the GW servers down. First, it will become less and less of a burden. Eventually, they'll probably archive the BLOBs of the inactive players, and only need a very small number of servers to run the game for the few remaining players, while still being able to say "GW1 is free to play". An important public perception matter.

That's all true, and I don't expect the GW servers to be completely shut down for a very long time either. But if I manage to stay alive for another 40+ years and I'd try to launch up GW by that time out of nostalgia, I have some doubt a server would still be running somewhere.

Now if I was in the position of a game designer who has to take down their own online game due to my company going out of business, I'd probably do my best to try and switch to a fully instanced offline version of the game that players could download and even devise a way for them to download their own characters as well. I'm fully aware that this would most likely require more resources than I'd have available to me by that time though.

Holy Jeebus this post turned out sounding grim. The thing is I was trying to hit more of a wondering/hypothetical tone here but failed at it.

The Mancer Man

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

20 Oct 2010 at 09:37 - 287

So....when is this update gonna actually happen???

Is there a ETA/date/next month/year?

Nekodesu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2009

20 Oct 2010 at 10:06 - 288

*drool* can't wait D:

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

20 Oct 2010 at 10:16 - 289

That all reminds me: I saw a few copies of Tabula Rasa on a shelf a wile ago. It was long after the game died. Someone will not be happy.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 10:40 - 290

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Originally Posted by The Mancer Man

So....when is this update gonna actually happen???

Is there a ETA/date/next month/year?

Its coming in this Squirsday - about half past twelveteen o'clock.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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20 Oct 2010 at 11:53 - 291

Obvious use : I'm gonna play Heroes Ascent all days with my heroes . Maybe i will try DoA aswell, but more likely heroes ascent

ruk1a

Wilds Pathfinder

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UR MOM LOL

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20 Oct 2010 at 12:06 - 292

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mancer Man

So....when is this update gonna actually happen???

Is there a ETA/date/next month/year?

my guess would be... soon

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 12:36 - 293

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Obvious use : I'm gonna play Heroes Ascent all days with my heroes.

I thought heroes were restricted in PvP.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

20 Oct 2010 at 12:51 - 294

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

I thought heroes were restricted in PvP.

Whats the point of allowing 7 heroes then lol.... make PvE even easier to play while PvP still same crap with 2 only ? This would really be the clear proof than they never ever cared of PvP to be honest

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 13:08 - 295

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Whats the point of allowing 7 heroes then lol.... make PvE even easier to play while PvP still same crap with 2 only ? This would really be the clear proof than they never ever cared of PvP to be honest

how long has it been since you PvPed? Heroes haven't been allowed for ages. Heroes are for PvE, this update will have NOTHING to do with PvP - and is likely to have absolutely no affect on it.

slowerpoke

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2007

Cuba

20 Oct 2010 at 13:55 - 296

Heroes in PvP, didn't they delete HB?

Maybe there will be a PvP version of the new central mission outpost to help grouping, not that I'm sure such a thing would be required or is necessary.

I think this new area could do with a redesigned search party interface.

And will they do anything to prevent this new place turning into a spam fest for traders.

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

20 Oct 2010 at 14:07 - 297

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

I don't quite understand this Embark Beach place... Wouldn't it be more sensible to just merge every District into the partysearch for Euro/America/Asia, etc. for each outpost. What I mean is; what benefit do you get when, say, you want to get a run to Elona's Reach and everyone else wants to do UWSC?

Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Make every outpost in the game obsolete and force us to stand around in a reskin of the RA beach with lots of spam. Gee what fun.

Grj

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

20 Oct 2010 at 14:19 - 298

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Make every outpost in the game obsolete and force us to stand around in a reskin of the RA beach with lots of spam. Gee what fun.

Not only this the district limit will also make it differcult to get into the populated districts to find others.

Nothing worse being stuck in a district with 5 other people when the others are jam packed mostly with traders/afkers with no intention of grouping.

Getting the This district is full message is annoying.

Scary

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Uhmmmm??

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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20 Oct 2010 at 14:28 - 299

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Originally Posted by Grj

Not only this the district limit will also make it differcult to get into the populated districts to find others.

Nothing worse being stuck in a district with 5 other people when the others are jam packed mostly with traders/afkers with no intention of grouping.Getting the This district is full message is annoying.

Just don't allow a trade channel in that district.

bsoltan

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2005

UK

[SoF]

20 Oct 2010 at 14:43 - 300

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Make every outpost in the game obsolete and force us to stand around in a reskin of the RA beach with lots of spam. Gee what fun.

They aren't just doing these updates for no reason:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arena Net

Q: How easy was it to party with other players for the War in Kryta content?

This proves to be our next area for improvement, with our largest number of respondents at 36% between “too difficult” at 16.6%, and “just right” at 32.2%. Only 6.6% found the experience to be “very easy.” Making the process of finding other people for content easier is something we aim to fix – not just for the War in Kryta, but for Guild Wars overall,

Over a third of the people that filled out the WiK survey said they had a problem finding a team. That is just for one particular quest line and a fairly new one at that.
Now multiply that over all the quests in Guild Wars with all the people that have a bunch of things they want to complete.

This is what it is a solution for, they did the survey and got the answers, that is what the Embark Beach is there to cater for.

Then in addition it can attract those players that have a willingness to help out, or are just looking for something to do. These players no longer have to stand in X outpost looking to join a PUG, instead they will have all the players in one handy place.

It won't make outposts obsolete, at least not any more than they are now. You don't map into Ice Tooth Cave and get surprised that there is no one there. Most outposts in the game are empty unless there is a Zaishen Quest there that day or Nicholas is close.
For the former these will still be busy as the Embark Beach will simply map the group to that outpost so it will still be full of players. As for Nicholas that isn't generally a group thing so I'm sure players will still gather there.

As for lots of spam, well that just follows with more people. If all the traders move to this outposts from Kamadan then there will of course be more stuff going on.

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

20 Oct 2010 at 14:59 - 301

This is good news

I'll prolly be doing rest of dungeons with my other characters and finish them up. Maybe HM areas and missions with a couple of chars as well.
That is if I get the time to actually play.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 15:24 - 302

I don't think traders will move to EmB over Kamadan - its a recognised grouping place, whereas everyone knows spamadan is the place to go to sell/buy.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

20 Oct 2010 at 15:39 - 303

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

how long has it been since you PvPed? Heroes haven't been allowed for ages. Heroes are for PvE, this update will have NOTHING to do with PvP - and is likely to have absolutely no affect on it.

Ye ok but , is this a complete joke so? I will just say what i just said : Point of making PvE easier to play than it even is and let formats like Heroes Ascent get more and more empty ? Seriously .... , and anyway , i'm sure than in that survey about 10% did ask for PvP too ...

bsoltan

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2005

UK

[SoF]

20 Oct 2010 at 15:49 - 304

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

Ye ok but , is this a complete joke so? I will just say what i just said : Point of making PvE easier to play than it even is and let formats like Heroes Ascent get more and more empty ? Seriously .... , and anyway , i'm sure than in that survey about 10% did ask for PvP too ...

The survey had nothing to do with PvP. It was about War in Kryta.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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20 Oct 2010 at 15:56 - 305

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Originally Posted by bsoltan

The survey had nothing to do with PvP. It was about War in Kryta.

If they made that question just about war in kryta and not regarding other areas ( even not mentionning PvP , just about slavers exile , UW , DoA etc. ) then they completly miss the point , and since i highly doubt that question was adressed regardint WiK stuff , i think it's many people who misunderstood the point
p.s : plz someone answer my question...: What's the point of making PvE easier to play and let PvP rot ????Are they laughing at PvP players or ..?

Adul

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

20 Oct 2010 at 16:04 - 306

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

If they made that question just about war in kryta and not regarding other areas ( even not mentionning PvP , just about slavers exile , UW , DoA etc. ) then they completly miss the point , and since i highly doubt that question was adressed regardint WiK stuff , i think it's many people who misunderstood the point
p.s : plz someone answer my question...

What's your question?

By the way you can read the survey results, it's linked and quoted in the first post. It had no questions regarding PvP, only about the WiK content and a separate question about full hero parties. As the majority of the responses were positive about that particular feature (and because John the project lead and possibly others of the Live team feel the same way), they will be enabling full hero parties.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

20 Oct 2010 at 16:32 - 307

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

What's the point of making PvE easier to play and let PvP rot ????Are they laughing at PvP players or ..?

Higher demand for PvE changes then PvP changes. They can make 100 happy, or make 100,000 happy. They are going to choose 100,000 every single time. It sucks but it is the reality of things.

Aljasha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

20 Oct 2010 at 17:06 - 308

Heroes and henchmen have no place in pvp. The fact that there are still henchmen allowed is sad, though.

distilledwill

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Blighty

The Legion of the Blue Blade

R/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 17:22 - 309

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

If they made that question just about war in kryta and not regarding other areas ( even not mentionning PvP , just about slavers exile , UW , DoA etc. ) then they completly miss the point , and since i highly doubt that question was adressed regardint WiK stuff , i think it's many people who misunderstood the point
p.s : plz someone answer my question...: What's the point of making PvE easier to play and let PvP rot ????Are they laughing at PvP players or ..?

This survey was about PvE, why should it be about PvP? This is a PvE update, and there is absolutely no reason why it should concern PvP.

There are changes coming in PvP, they are mentioned in the results if you look - but you're just going to have to wait.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

20 Oct 2010 at 17:28 - 310

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aljasha

Heroes and henchmen have no place in pvp. The fact that there are still henchmen allowed is sad, though.

Exactly. It's part of the old, half-way, directionless design of Anet. As in, "zomg we shouldn't allow Heroes in PvP because of this and that reason but...well... let them use henchmen instead... Have fun!"

Let's hope they've changed.

Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Tyria

Real Millennium Group

Mo/N

20 Oct 2010 at 19:07 - 311

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

It's amusing how wrong you are. I was able to complete UW with a mixed bag of classes that didn't use specialised/refined builds. That just shows how unhealthy the mindset of the elitist players from these areas is. I had an alliance that wouldn't let me use a ritualist healer for our jade arena fast faction farm because they only wanted a monk. No-one ever died when I was on my rit and because it was only healing we didn't perform slower, players just think the "specialised/refined" builds are the only way to complete content and don't bother to give anything else a chance.

What I was getting at was that the typical build of the casual player that was used to play the NM/Non-Elite areas of the game most likely will not be a successful build for the elite areas. Even Anet said that the Elite Areas were not designed to allow all builds played in NM/Non-Elite to work. No doubt that there are several non-PvX builds that can have success there, but the typical casual player is not going to be able to adjust in a quick enough period of time before they get frustrated and give up on the area, whether they have full hero parties or not. That's the problem I have with the elite areas, they leave little room for toying around and trying to learn as you get kicked with each full party wipe. Scrolls may be fairly easy to come by, but most players will only bang their head against a brick wall for so long. I'm not a typical casual player, and I grew tired of attempting these areas.

I know that very few of my character builds and none of my Heroes are adequately designed for tackling the elite areas. The full hero parties will only help those who have the desire and time to experiment will benefit as they won't have to deal with the elitests and PvXers in those areas.

Hanok

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

20 Oct 2010 at 21:52 - 312

To people who don't think this is necessary: you haven't paying attention, have you?

To people who think the place will be a spam fest of traders....so what? Turn off trade chat and minimize the trade part of party search.

Burger Beard

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2010

BBQ

R/

20 Oct 2010 at 22:26 - 313

Embark Beach is a very awesome idea! I've only been playing GW for a year and I've stumbled into many Mission Outposts without a soul around. I like playing with PUGs through campaigns, but most of the time I'm limited to whatever the Z-Mission is. As far as the Hero thing.... People have already made up their minds on playing with or without Heroes, and will continue to do so. So either enjoy it or don't!

Smarty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Me/

20 Oct 2010 at 22:29 - 314

I would rather trade chat was enabled in Embark Beach because if it isn't, local chat and the mission/quest/hunting sections of party search will wind up full of people avoiding the WTS filter, and that'd make it much harder to ignore the trade spam. Besides which, if ANet doesn't have to change the programming for party search for that one outpost, the update with it in will get done that much faster I'm sure.

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

20 Oct 2010 at 22:33 - 315

Sweet 7 heros lets my buddy play for me while im away from the keyboard

thanx Anet for Auto Pilot.

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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20 Oct 2010 at 23:36 - 316

Embark Beach and seven heroes sounds fantastic, especially in combination. I can't wait. I really wish the 2009 Halloween quests could return, but at least Mad King will return with more awful jokes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

give up on the area,

I have identified the source of the problem.

Sisyphus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/Me

21 Oct 2010 at 00:46 - 317

Quote:

Originally Posted by samberum

In arenanet blog (10/18/2010) John Stumme indicates :" the free update build .

hope I am just reading too deeply into this... or will there be GW1 content updates we will have to pay for?

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

21 Oct 2010 at 00:54 - 318

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

I don't think traders will move to EmB over Kamadan - its a recognised grouping place, whereas everyone knows spamadan is the place to go to sell/buy.

Yet when they do move there, as all 3 campaigns can access it, I'll start referring to Embark Beach as Ebay Beach.

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

21 Oct 2010 at 01:03 - 319

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sisyphus

hope I am just reading too deeply into this... or will there be GW1 content updates we will have to pay for?

Maybe they are planning another BMP???

Atro

Miss the good ol' days

Join Date: Sep 2009

Where don't I live?

A/

21 Oct 2010 at 02:07 - 320

WOO maybe now I wont have to deal with henchmen's crappy skillbar.