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infi

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

24 Mar 2011 at 07:44 - 361

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaJiexi

I also know how much harder it is to build up that flist (more importantly, to have other people put you on their flist). And the rewards (beyond the fun of owning people in tournaments) isn't worth that effort, in general. I've been obbing to get a feel for the meta, and it seems like the top GvG guilds have full tournament rosters anyway, and it doesn't seem like there's much competition the next tier down. If anyone is trying to create/train up a new GvG squad that wants to compete in the tourneys, I'd be down. But it just doesn't seem like anyone thinks the rewards match the effort involved. Unless you are the winner of the AT, at least.

Looks like you just don't have enough motivation to build this friend list. It is not an offense but a man who wants to play will find a way how to make this real.

ShaJiexi

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2011

Legion of Losers [LOL]

24 Mar 2011 at 09:27 - 362

Quote:

Originally Posted by infi

Looks like you just don't have enough motivation to build this friend list. It is not an offense but a man who wants to play will find a way how to make this real.

And an emotional attachment to my old friends list. How could I justify deleting old friends, even if they quit? ^^ It's full!

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

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24 Mar 2011 at 16:58 - 363

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaJiexi

And an emotional attachment to my old friends list. How could I justify deleting old friends, even if they quit? ^^ It's full!

If you really wanted to play you would have no problem removing people from your friends list who no longer logged on. They are wasted space and removing them from your flist won't remove the memories you have of playing with them in the past.

Realistically it sounds like you are in the same position I am in, and would like to start playing again, but don't want to start over. You want your old team to come back and start playing again like you never quit in the first place. Trust me, it won't happen. Either move on and still play, or do what I do and log on maybe once a week and talk to the 2 or 3 people you recognize who are still playing this dead game.

Shway

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2007

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13 Apr 2011 at 00:44 - 364

Been off and on in this game for ~5 years and pvp was always what I had the most fun doing! When it came to pve I'm more of a down content and be done kinda guy, even when it comes to farming. I'd spend a bunch of time getting all the gear, learning how and finding people to do it with. Run it a few times and then get bored. AB was usually fun, RA is randomly fun and the tiny bit of GvG was for sure the most fun I had playing this game.

Of course it's been hard to stay in a guild when you're off and on but I'm really excited for gw2 now and have been wanting to play pvp again! I'll be trying to find a guild to stick with and learn in. I really hope that the die hards are ready for and have the patience for a flood of scrubs, other wise they arn't going to want to stay.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

13 Apr 2011 at 03:46 - 365

I would like to have a champion title for my hom

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

13 Apr 2011 at 04:22 - 366

Sadly there is a huge majority of PvE players that will never touch PvP.
theres tons of reasons......just like there are tons of reasons why some PvP players wont touch Pve.
My reason is simple......No patience with people.
So playing PvP with players who are under the impression that there poo smells of flowers

is not for me. I get enough of that Selling items in Kamadan, listening to PvP hall players stroke there e-peen dissing on anyone who plays PvE. Which I can say is also a large problem with why a lareg amount of PvE players wont get into PvP. The PvP player base does not allow the casual player to pick up and play. The Hate, ridiculing and flat out Elitism with some PvP players is gross. Dont get me wrong PvE players do it too

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

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13 Apr 2011 at 05:22 - 367

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aba

Sadly there is a huge majority of PvE players that will never touch PvP.
theres tons of reasons......just like there are tons of reasons why some PvP players wont touch Pve.
My reason is simple......No patience with people.
So playing PvP with players who are under the impression that there poo smells of flowers

is not for me. I get enough of that Selling items in Kamadan, listening to PvP hall players stroke there e-peen dissing on anyone who plays PvE. Which I can say is also a large problem with why a lareg amount of PvE players wont get into PvP. The PvP player base does not allow the casual player to pick up and play. The Hate, ridiculing and flat out Elitism with some PvP players is gross. Dont get me wrong PvE players do it too

Another reason is pvp such as HA is a world within a world(microcosm). It takes 3 years to max hero title alone, thats if you have a good pvp guild to start, which is a huge flaw in a game. So people camp this place for years and not only for title but for pve rewards as well which is something that never should have been. Maxing hero title seriously is nothing but a burn out. The people that have r15 aren't even playing anymore because of the amount of time they put in to max this one title. It's not like this title is the whole game, once you max it theres Champion, glad and tons of pve titles if you want to get into pve. People that play other games I have played that are well balanced in pve/pvp don't play one or the other, they play them both.

GvG is a a lot better than HA but is still dwindling due to the fact the title is out of most players reach. It takes a lot of hard work just to start on this title which is another huge game flaw. Champion title should start at 800 rank or so.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

13 Apr 2011 at 05:48 - 368

Why are the title tracks being brought up at all?

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

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13 Apr 2011 at 06:50 - 369

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Originally Posted by lemming

Why are the title tracks being brought up at all?

Most people play for titles only, especially in pvp. It is an integral part of the game now and wouldn't you agree that making champion title achievable at a lower rating would bring people to gvg? Maybe with a few other changes it could breathe life into gvg again.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

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13 Apr 2011 at 06:53 - 370

A title change will breath life into title farming and nothing else. Which is very bad for the health of the actual arena.

cantalus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

13 Apr 2011 at 07:41 - 371

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

Most people play for titles only, especially in pvp. It is an integral part of the game now and wouldn't you agree that making champion title achievable at a lower rating would bring people to gvg? Maybe with a few other changes it could breathe life into gvg again.

no they don't, they play because it's more fun, more interesting, much harder and they want the challenge, sure some like their titles, and they're the sort of people that frequent bb/iway/sway guilds, but for most, titles are a by-product of the enjoyment, however since you also claim that it takes 3 years solid play to get r15....

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

13 Apr 2011 at 07:43 - 372

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

Most people play for titles only, especially in pvp. It is an integral part of the game now and wouldn't you agree that making champion title achievable at a lower rating would bring people to gvg? Maybe with a few other changes it could breathe life into gvg again.

That could make GvG as hostile an environment as HA, so while it would bring people it's not necessarily a good thing.

Also no, surprisingly a lot of people don't play for titles only in PvP. Why would the countless non c-range guilds play? Ohhhh fun.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

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13 Apr 2011 at 08:03 - 373

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Originally Posted by fowlero

Also no, surprisingly a lot of people don't play for titles only in PvP. Why would the countless non c-range guilds play? Ohhhh fun.

Why are people syncing in Codex? Why are people forming r11+ balanced in HA when there is noone in halls and 6 players in the district ?

And there isn't a countless non c-range guilds playing GvG , most players left are MAT players that don't care of laddering , losing , etc.... Players there don't play for " fun " but for the competition , something which is close to , if not , inexistant upon all rest of PvP...

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

13 Apr 2011 at 08:40 - 374

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

Most people play for titles only, especially in pvp. It is an integral part of the game now and wouldn't you agree that making champion title achievable at a lower rating would bring people to gvg? Maybe with a few other changes it could breathe life into gvg again.

Honestly, I doubt it. Look at the problems in RA - syncing, anger management issues, prima donnas who don't like even trying if the party composition isn't great. I assure you, RA was a far less hostile place back when there weren't glad points at stake.

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

13 Apr 2011 at 09:27 - 375

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

Honestly, I doubt it. Look at the problems in RA - syncing, anger management issues, prima donnas who don't like even trying if the party composition isn't great. I assure you, RA was a far less hostile place back when there weren't glad points at stake.

correction: RA was far less hostile before they merged the districts and removed TA.

following spirit

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2010

The imperial Guards of Vabbi (TIGV)

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13 Apr 2011 at 09:40 - 376

as a newbie to pvp ( only played a few times witha very competitive guild about 5 yrs ago) im hoping to get a team uptogether to have ago at it, yes we'll get our butts handed to us alot i think. But hey its all about enjoying the game

so if u do see us competing be gentle

DoopDoop

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

13 Apr 2011 at 10:25 - 377

Hostile is good. Hate is better. Show the younguns every strike must be precise, every blow counts and ONLY THE WEAK INCUR DEATH PENALTIES!

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

13 Apr 2011 at 10:35 - 378

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

Why are people syncing in Codex? Why are people forming r11+ balanced in HA when there is noone in halls and 6 players in the district ?

And there isn't a countless non c-range guilds playing GvG , most players left are MAT players that don't care of laddering , losing , etc.... Players there don't play for " fun " but for the competition , something which is close to , if not , inexistant upon all rest of PvP...

I meant to say GvG rather than generic PvP. And there definitely are plenty of guilds left that dont mAT at all, above or below r500 are just as active (euro speaking at least).

Playing for the competition is part of the fun.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

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13 Apr 2011 at 16:21 - 379

RA is played for title farm and the arena is now shit

Codex is played for title farm and the arena is now shit

HA is played for title farm and the arena is now shit

GvG is not played for title farm and the arena is pretty good.

Clearly we should make the GvG title more accessible for everyone to farm.

shinyglove

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

BelgiUm

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13 Apr 2011 at 16:49 - 380

I haven't played 1 serious GvG because there is no non-professional guild that does it.
(played it since factions)

Sk8tborderx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

PA

Us Are Not [leet]

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13 Apr 2011 at 17:03 - 381

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Originally Posted by shinyglove

I haven't played 1 serious GvG because there is no non-professional guild that does it.
(played it since factions)

There is usually at least 1 BYOB guild recruiting on QQ forums. If you want to play organized builds you have to be a somewhat serious guild or you will lose, and that isn't fun.

Jacobbs

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2010

Mo/

13 Apr 2011 at 21:36 - 382

Good message on the op.

Need more bridges to upper-end GvG though. Trying to capture all the nuances of GvG by losing over and over again discourages people.

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

14 Apr 2011 at 05:57 - 383

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

If you want to play organized builds you have to be a somewhat serious guild or you will lose, and that isn't fun.

From my perspective, it's not the losing that's the problem - it's the people. Losing a match simply cannot make me feel as shitty as a retarded leader/officer/dramaqueen/spoiled-brat-that-has-to-have-his-own-way/insert-a-random-know-it-all ever can. And it was those kind of people that ultimately made me decide to quit pvp alltogether. Because at least in pve they can be easily ignored.

floor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]

Mo/W

14 Apr 2011 at 10:55 - 384

The whole idea that everyone in pvp is like LOL NOOB and flames new players is false.

In most cases the people with big opinions of themselves are actually the players who suck the most, they cannot see their own flaws and prefer to shout at everyone else in order to shift the blame. These are the players who will never improve because they refuse to believe that they are wrong.

A friend of mine recently came out of pve, and was exactly the same as so many ppl posting here "omg i am so bad people always flame me". I taught him as best i could how to play gvg, in the space of 6 weeks he is now a top 200 monk. But the bit that i think he enjoyed most, was when he played with the same old arrogant players, and he now realises how bad they really are. (he now has 5 champ points in only 3 months of gvg, they have 0 in several years, lol??) If you are willing to learn, and ur determined enough to ride out the initial flame fest, you can rise above all the crap pretty fast. Better players do get frustrated when they lose, thats natural, but they realise losing is part of the game and will rage a lot less.

If you want to play pvp, stick with it, pm ppl u see on obs mode and ask questions, try and learn from ur mistakes and u will soon improve. And remember just because someone shouts the loudest, he is not automatically the best.

added note: Titles are not indicitave of player skill in any way, people can grind titles, or buy accounts, they can generally be ignored. I wont disagree that a lot of people will ask for titles to join groups (mostly in HA), but try forming ur own groups out of ur friends/guildies/members of ur alliance. You would be suprised how often ur low rank random group can roll through so called rank 11+ teams.

2nd added note: A common misconception also is that you need a steady team of 8 players in order to improve and get anywhere in gvg. Wrong. You will actually improve 1000x faster by guesting 4+ good guests to ur team, initially they might carry you to victory, but you soon learn from them, a mixture of them giving helpful advice, and u copying their playstyle. If you try and play with 8 complete beginners, you are far more likely to lose ---> get demoralised and quit because u dont understand WHY you lost. Guild wars is not that hard to learn, but you do need someone to hold ur hand and guide you through ur first few steps.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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14 Apr 2011 at 11:27 - 385

Quote:

Originally Posted by floor

The whole idea that everyone in pvp is like LOL NOOB and flames new players is false.

Then I, and many, many others, have had the worst luck imaginable with the draw for opponents whenever we've tried to PvP.

And their skill, or lack thereof, isn't the issue. It is their attitudes. They make PvP a grueling, unpleasant experience.

floor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]

Mo/W

14 Apr 2011 at 11:34 - 386

i do hear what ur saying, but being flamed by people outside of ur own team surely wouldnt really bother u too much? after all you can just turn all chat off. People that i have come across generally find ppl screaming on vent (ie-within ur own team) far more of an annoyance.

Also this does slightly link to my last point, if you get some good guests initially, u wont lose. If u dont lose, u dont get flamed. This seems an extremely simplistic way of looking at it, but its often the case.

It should also be pointed out, that generally ppl when they start pvp, believe u need to start in HA, then progress to gvg (which is not true ofc). But the problem is that HA is 100x more ragey than gvg ever is, so a lot of new players only see the negative side of pvp.

The idea that pvp is ragey, and pve is not is also a common misconception. The two are very similar, I am absolutely clueless in pve, i bet if i tried to do UWSC i would get flamed big time ;P PvE just has the facility to let you be a complete loner and play with a whole team of henchmen and heros. This for me takes the fun out of gw, i love being on vent with other ppl, and participating in a team activity, i could never play this game by myself.

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

14 Apr 2011 at 11:43 - 387

Quote:

Originally Posted by floor

In most cases the people with big opinions of themselves are actually the players who suck the most, they cannot see their own flaws and prefer to shout at everyone else in order to shift the blame. These are the players who will never improve because they refuse to believe that they are wrong.

It's those people I was talking about. The "lol noob" crowd is benigne and hilarious.

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

14 Apr 2011 at 12:38 - 388

Quote:

Originally Posted by floor

Guild wars is not that hard to learn, but you do need someone to hold ur hand and guide you through ur first few steps.

You also need to be playing at the good hours and have a lot of time to invest on those hours though...Already argued a lot about it not going to again...

floor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]

Mo/W

14 Apr 2011 at 12:49 - 389

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

You also need to be playing at the good hours and have a lot of time to invest on those hours though...Already argued a lot about it not going to again...

Fairly accurate statement, i dont think anyone would disagree. You pretty much need to be able to play between 7-11pm GMT, at least 4 nights a week.

This is obviously a big commitment. But for those people who are really wanting to learn, this is not a ridiculous amount of time investment. Nothing in life comes easy, and you always have to give up ur time to practise.

As far as being american and unable to play at the above times, its not impossible to get into gvg/pvp, but the american playerbase is about 5% of the size of the european one these days, so its a lot harder to find people and teams to play with and against.

Bassma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

14 Apr 2011 at 13:41 - 390

PVP players leaving MMO's is just part of the MMO worlds. PVP never survives any of them for long. It's always been the PVE players who've really made these games and help them survive. But, it's been the developers who have run the PVE players off by balancing the game for the PVP players who whine and cry and boo hoo all the time about balance and power.

When GW2 comes out this game is going to be a ghost town. I just came back from a month of playing RIFT and it's going to be a ghost town even before that because they have made one of the silliest MMO's of all which is too easy, and too fast to level and nothing to do once you get to lvl 50 anyways. The PVP players are already leaving in droves because of the very first balancing act Trion tried to do and they failed.

Basically though you can't expect any of these MMO's to survive on PVP or GVG as there's just not that much interest in PVP really. Only about 10% of the entire population might show an interest and only 2% are diehard PVPers in any of them. But, that crowd grows bored quickly because they do the same things over n over daily unlike PVE where you have so many different avenues of gameplay and content.

Sorry to hear though your GvG is failing but, then again I knew it would from the getgo way back when GW was new.

I'd also like to say that GvGers brought this upon themselves with their elitist attitudes and telling others they have to play like they say and not allowing for truely OPEN GvG type play. I tried several guilds trying to find one that wasn't elitist but every single one of them said I had to play a certain build and I just won't have any of that and most casual pvp players won't either. That's why the majority of us are playing RA, JQ, and FA. Nobody can tell us how to make our builds or how to play in those or kick us out of the group if we don't.

floor

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

England

Activity Can Be An Issue [afk] / Queen And Country [QC]

Mo/W

14 Apr 2011 at 14:46 - 391

I thought the reason players cannot run any build they feel like was obvious. Most bars that people design for themselves are very individualised and do not particularly benefit the team as a whole. Some weird 1 man ele or assassin spike bar might seem brilliant in theory, but when faced with a full team of opponents, its impossible to just hit a guy on ur own and expect to kill him, therefore ur bar is not helping ur team as much as say a boring old blood necro who dishes out party wide bleeding and degen, and provides an enchantment removal to be used in conjunction with damage from other players on ur team. teamwork is the key.

Im not sure why people would find this a problem, all team activities in real life such as football are the same. Everyone has a position and if you do not fulfill ur role, the entire team falls down because of it

There are BYOB (bring your own build) guilds created to cater for players with the desire to run around by themselves running some new bar they just created. These guilds do not generally see a huge amount of success, but they are certainly very very fun to play with

Essentially in order to succeed in pvp, you need to conform to meta builds (bars become meta because they are the best bars, many ppl dont seem to realise this), and u need a certain amount of competitiveness in ur nature. For very casual players, i can see why they would dislike this as they just prefer to chill out and do their own thing.

If you wanted to run an UWSC clear group in pve, and i turned up on a warrior with frenzy, mending and heal breeze and 5 empty skill slots, you wouldnt let me play, so its only the same really

Sk8tborderx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

PA

Us Are Not [leet]

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14 Apr 2011 at 14:47 - 392

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassma

PVP players leaving MMO's is just part of the MMO worlds. PVP never survives any of them for long. It's always been the PVE players who've really made these games and help them survive. But, it's been the developers who have run the PVE players off by balancing the game for the PVP players who whine and cry and boo hoo all the time about balance and power.

When GW2 comes out this game is going to be a ghost town. I just came back from a month of playing RIFT and it's going to be a ghost town even before that because they have made one of the silliest MMO's of all which is too easy, and too fast to level and nothing to do once you get to lvl 50 anyways. The PVP players are already leaving in droves because of the very first balancing act Trion tried to do and they failed.

Basically though you can't expect any of these MMO's to survive on PVP or GVG as there's just not that much interest in PVP really. Only about 10% of the entire population might show an interest and only 2% are diehard PVPers in any of them. But, that crowd grows bored quickly because they do the same things over n over daily unlike PVE where you have so many different avenues of gameplay and content.

Sorry to hear though your GvG is failing but, then again I knew it would from the getgo way back when GW was new.

I'd also like to say that GvGers brought this upon themselves with their elitist attitudes and telling others they have to play like they say and not allowing for truely OPEN GvG type play. I tried several guilds trying to find one that wasn't elitist but every single one of them said I had to play a certain build and I just won't have any of that and most casual pvp players won't either. That's why the majority of us are playing RA, JQ, and FA. Nobody can tell us how to make our builds or how to play in those or kick us out of the group if we don't.

Did you just get done beating yourself over the head with a hammer before making your post?

Bassma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

14 Apr 2011 at 15:02 - 393

Quote:

Did you just get done beating yourself over the head with a hammer before making your post?

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I thought the reason players cannot run any build they feel like was obvious. Most bars that people design for themselves are very individualised and do not particularly benefit the team as a whole. Some weird 1 man ele or assassin spike bar might seem brilliant in theory, but when faced with a full team of opponents, its impossible to just hit a guy on ur own and expect to kill him, therefore ur bar is not helping ur team as much as say a boring old blood necro who dishes out party wide bleeding and degen, and provides an enchantment removal to be used in conjunction with damage from other players on ur team. teamwork is the key

We use our own builds in FA, RA and JQ and we are a TEAM in those and we don't have any issues with teamwork. It's just that GvG players got too big for their breeches and now they are suffering because of it. You don't go dictating how someone plays who spend $50+ on the game themselves. You can "ask" them to try another build but you can't force them or they will just leave you as they have done in this game.

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If you wanted to run an UWSC clear group in pve, and i turned up on a warrior with frenzy, mending and heal breeze and 5 empty skill slots, you wouldnt let me play, so its only the same really

Therein lies YOUR problem and the problem with most GvG players you want to play MECHANICALLY whereas most of us just want to play CASUALLY. It's not about the winning or losing it's being able to play. I don't have to wait 30 minutes or more to play in RA or FA or JQ as we aren't elitists in those arenas. I don't go into missions or areas with the attitude "I must make this the first time through this or everyone in the group is a noob". I have never once asked anyone who joins my group what their build is but I will certainly kick someone who complains about anyones. You get to play for fun and how you want to play in my groups and we don't have those who would grief and destroy the groups either.

Rob Roy The Divine

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Weegieville

No Goats No Glory [BAAA]

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14 Apr 2011 at 15:05 - 394

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassma

I'd also like to say that GvGers brought this upon themselves with their elitist attitudes and telling others they have to play like they say and not allowing for truely OPEN GvG type play.

sorry, i've been GvGing since '07 and can honestly say i've never met any elitists.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassma

I tried several guilds trying to find one that wasn't elitist but every single one of them said I had to play a certain build and I just won't have any of that and most casual pvp players won't either.

Also, the whole reason you're being made to play a certain bar is because PvP is organised, you do not just bring a build and go "LOOK AT MA SKILZZZ I MAKE THINGS DIE!" that doesn't work. The whole point of certain builds is that they work in a team sense, and they work with everyone else's bars to help make you kill things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missing HB

You also need to be playing at the good hours and have a lot of time to invest on those hours though...Already argued a lot about it not going to again...

definitely not true. I've played till 4/5am gmt and still played games.

worst comes to worse, you can't get a game for 10/15 mins, you goto HA for 20 mins and try again.

Also. despite what you think, pretty much all the top players in the game start out at the bottom too. They all know what it was like, and pretty much all of them will help you out. All it takes is a pm going "hey, do you mind guesting for my guild?" and pretty much 90% of them will say yes if they're not doing anything.

Bassma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

14 Apr 2011 at 15:13 - 395

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sorry, i've been GvGing since '07 and can honestly say i've never met any elitists.

A typical answer of an elitist, denial is the first sign of the problem.

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Also, the whole reason you're being made to play a certain bar is because PvP is organised

It is? Could have fooled me then saying RA, FA and JQ are "organized" or are you of the elitist type that doesn't consider anything beyond GvG as PVP?

By your very own statements you have proven yourself to be elitist.

Sk8tborderx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

PA

Us Are Not [leet]

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14 Apr 2011 at 15:16 - 396

Guilds require specific builds for those arenas? Send me what your smoking.

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

14 Apr 2011 at 15:28 - 397

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Originally Posted by Bassma

We use our own builds in FA, RA and JQ and we are a TEAM in those and we don't have any issues with teamwork. It's just that GvG players got too big for their breeches and now they are suffering because of it. You don't go dictating how someone plays who spend $50+ on the game themselves. You can "ask" them to try another build but you can't force them or they will just leave you as they have done in this game.

GvG you're facing teams that have been organized with builds of high synergy, often of teams who've played with each other for months even years and know exactly how each member will react in certain situations. Every one of the 64 skills your team has was carefully chosen, and with respect to the other 63 skills your team is carrying. Which cannot be said for RA/JQ/FA.

Noone is saying that FA RA or JQ is not a team, or isn't PvP. You're shoving words into peoples mouths in an attempt make them look like elitists. They simply don't have the same level of organization within them due to the random nature of their respective arena's.

Organization and teambuilds in GvG have got nothing to do with egoism or elitism, it's just how teams are formed to be competitive within the arena. Especially since there's no random aspect.

Then as floor already mentioned, there are BYOB guilds which are always fun for a piss about. Try it.

Sk8tborderx

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14 Apr 2011 at 15:40 - 398

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Originally Posted by fowlero

Noone is saying that FA RA or JQ is not a team, or isn't PvP. You're shoving words into peoples mouths in an attempt make them look like elitists. They simply don't have the same level of organization within them due to the random nature of their respective arena's.

FA and JQ really aren't PvP. It is PvE with a little bit of PvP. The only exception is FA on the Kurzick side.

fowlero

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14 Apr 2011 at 15:45 - 399

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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx

FA and JQ really aren't PvP. It is PvE with a little bit of PvP. The only exception is FA on the Kurzick side.

I'll agree they aren't high end PvP. But denying they're PvP at all is just pointless.

Sk8tborderx

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14 Apr 2011 at 15:50 - 400

I said they had a little bit of PvP thrown in. I would just classify them as PvEvP as most times you accomplish more by ignoring enemy players and focusing on NPC's.