Please A-Net, you just nerfed Battle for Lion's Arch, a group quest, which is pretty managable because you have a group, but then you go and introduce solo-missions where one death means failure?
Its hard as hell for people not skilled with a new skillset, so PLEASE put in a resurrect so the no-skillers like me can enjoy the new content too.
Put in a Resurrect
Isfit
Lichtenberg
read the skills. know which does what.
and you can 1 shot everything the sin calls
and you can 1 shot everything the sin calls
Isfit
Does not change the fact that it is hard and there should be a resurrect for players not good at solo-content
Hyperventilate
I haven't died yet. It's just a matter of watching aggro.
Remember: His 3 condition removal DOES NOT need to hit in order to remove conditions, and I spam the hell out of my heal skill. It recharges pretty quick. Sniper shot anything Miku calls and you'll be fine. I sniped the boss without even having her call it and got 905. :\
PS: "Does not change the fact that it is hard and there should be a resurrect for players not good at solo-content".... I can't solo to save my life. Soloing scares the bejesus out of me, and it did when I saw I was alone with Kieran. It helps to thoroughly read his skills, he's incredibly powerful (Look at his attribute points!) and his attacks hurt -- bad. If you're just careful and watch aggro, nothing will give you trouble.
Remember: His 3 condition removal DOES NOT need to hit in order to remove conditions, and I spam the hell out of my heal skill. It recharges pretty quick. Sniper shot anything Miku calls and you'll be fine. I sniped the boss without even having her call it and got 905. :\
PS: "Does not change the fact that it is hard and there should be a resurrect for players not good at solo-content".... I can't solo to save my life. Soloing scares the bejesus out of me, and it did when I saw I was alone with Kieran. It helps to thoroughly read his skills, he's incredibly powerful (Look at his attribute points!) and his attacks hurt -- bad. If you're just careful and watch aggro, nothing will give you trouble.
Celestina
Honestly there were times in the first quest where I over aggroed and still won.
Killed u man
Can we please stop over simplyfying everything?
I mean, I'm really sorry, but if this is NOT hard. As said before, you can littereally run in, aggro up to 2 groups and still roll your head over the keyboard and win. This is no exaggeration, this is how I steamroll these quests.
Instead of asking for the game to be set by your standards, try and raise your standards by improving at the game. Read the skills, read what they do and try and use them optimally.
The bar is so straightforward, though, I really can not see how you could possible die unless you're not using skills.
I mean, I'm really sorry, but if this is NOT hard. As said before, you can littereally run in, aggro up to 2 groups and still roll your head over the keyboard and win. This is no exaggeration, this is how I steamroll these quests.
Instead of asking for the game to be set by your standards, try and raise your standards by improving at the game. Read the skills, read what they do and try and use them optimally.
The bar is so straightforward, though, I really can not see how you could possible die unless you're not using skills.
Lichtenberg
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Killed u man
Can we please stop over simplyfying everything?
I mean, I'm really sorry, but if this is NOT hard. As said before, you can littereally run in, aggro up to 2 groups and still roll your head over the keyboard and win. This is no exaggeration, this is how I steamroll these quests. Instead of asking for the game to be set by your standards, try and raise your standards by improving at the game. Read the skills, read what they do and try and use them optimally. The bar is so straightforward, though, I really can not see how you could possible die unless you're not using skills. |
But dont try this
Quote:
| As said before, you can littereally run in, aggro up to 2 groups and still roll your head over the keyboard and win. |
Dzjudz
On my first character I rushed a bit too much and didn't really know the skills yet and failed on the second quest a couple of times (two groups in a row with a knocklock sin and an SoS rit doesn't help either).
My second char went much smoother and finished the second quests within 10 minutes (the first quest is very easy and more forgiving than the second).
A few tips:
- Position Miku so she takes some aggro (she lags behind you and doesn't start fighting till she actually gets aggro, your calls don't do anything)
- Watch who she hexes and oneshot that target (skill 1)
- The interrupt (skill 3) recharges very quickly, use it often
- Save the Heal (last skill) until you both take a little damage
- If Miku dies, run away, foes will lose aggro. Miku will res on her own.
- If running away, skill 2 inflicts Crippled, use it on a persistent foe.
My second char went much smoother and finished the second quests within 10 minutes (the first quest is very easy and more forgiving than the second).
A few tips:
- Position Miku so she takes some aggro (she lags behind you and doesn't start fighting till she actually gets aggro, your calls don't do anything)
- Watch who she hexes and oneshot that target (skill 1)
- The interrupt (skill 3) recharges very quickly, use it often
- Save the Heal (last skill) until you both take a little damage
- If Miku dies, run away, foes will lose aggro. Miku will res on her own.
- If running away, skill 2 inflicts Crippled, use it on a persistent foe.
Lasareth
The npc is expendable too so if you're gonna eat dirt just run away and let her get her face smashed in. She'll pop right back up moments later. At least on the second quest.
Gabriel of Ravn
Died once on each learned from my mistakes.
Cuilan
Make sure you interrupt the foes who have a a res (often will be the warrior, etc.)
Rocky Raccoon
Seems like a lot of people want instant gratification and don't want to learn to use the skills provided. There is nothing wrong in failing an attempt if you learn from it.
Gennadios
I ran about 5 missions on various characters so far and I died once because I got bored and distracted. As long as you're careful and know what to kill first and when to run it's not particularly hard.
Trader of Secrets
Well these mission are not so easy that you will plow through. As long as u keep the heal up, deal with single groups, and kill healers first you will get through. Besides I dont think Thackeray wouldve died on the mission anyways, keep it real!
caballo_oscuro
Games are not TV. You don't deserve to just sit around and wait for the ending. You are encouraged to use your brain to figure out the solution to the problem. The people who storm through this are the ones who think things through, consider their options, learn from their mistakes, get on and do well in life and become your boss.
If you need help then ask for advice from someone who knows what they're doing, it's ok to ask for help every once in a while. Or if you're really stuck wait for some help with the problem to be posted here or on the wiki, or try and figure it out yourself.
If you keep waiting for a handout, you'll never really get any true satisfaction from life, you'll go through everything being unimpressed, expecting things to be handed to you til the day comes and you realise that you have nothing while everyone who tries, succeeeds far more and is better off, more intelligent and far cooler than you.
edit:
And for everyone who enjpys a challenge, yep you deserve your rewards
If you need help then ask for advice from someone who knows what they're doing, it's ok to ask for help every once in a while. Or if you're really stuck wait for some help with the problem to be posted here or on the wiki, or try and figure it out yourself.
If you keep waiting for a handout, you'll never really get any true satisfaction from life, you'll go through everything being unimpressed, expecting things to be handed to you til the day comes and you realise that you have nothing while everyone who tries, succeeeds far more and is better off, more intelligent and far cooler than you.
edit:
And for everyone who enjpys a challenge, yep you deserve your rewards
caballo_oscuro
I don't think the OP is out of place in what is said. Some people find such wild change difficult. If there's people who really are having difficulty with something, asking for help is perfectly fine.
What I have a problem with though is asking for a change to be implemented to suit a praticular playstyle. The one-life per play system is just like a regular mission. When you fail, you have to restart. I think that's perfectly fair in some parts of the game.
Comfort zones are dangerous places to be.
What I have a problem with though is asking for a change to be implemented to suit a praticular playstyle. The one-life per play system is just like a regular mission. When you fail, you have to restart. I think that's perfectly fair in some parts of the game.
Comfort zones are dangerous places to be.
IlikeGW
It's really easy. You've got a strong heal over time skill (spam it, it's the last skill on your bar), a condition removal (save for when needed), a couple of quick recharge bow attacks one with AOE (spam), and a cripple (save for melee on you), and a skill that does instant kills if you follow the assassin's target. (spam) There's not really much that can go wrong besides you not using your healing skill at all TBH.
caballo_oscuro
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by IlikeGW
It's really easy. You've got a strong heal over time skill (spam it, it's the last skill on your bar), a condition removal (save for when needed), a couple of quick recharge bow attacks one with AOE (spam), and a cripple (save for melee on you), and a skill that does instant kills if you follow the assassin's target. (spam) There's not really much that can go wrong besides you not using your healing skill at all TBH.
|
Bellatrixa
I don't see what's so hard about reading skill descriptions for yourself, THINKING about what you need to use when and then applying that logic to the scenario.
No, you're not going to do everything first time. That is where learning comes in. If you really want spoonfed content, don't play games, watch films. I've not even done BLA yet and I think it's a shame that it got nerfed. I'd like them to nerf Eternal Grove for people who solo, but it's not going to happen. Instead I will just have to revise my strategies until I manage it, or finally give up and ask for help :P
The OP said that he's a "no skiller". My advice is to play the game more, for them to start thinking for themselves and to develop those skills that are lacking. It's really not difficult ¬_¬
I've heard from numerous people in my guild and alliance that Keiran has pwnage skills and I'm itching to try them out for myself. Also heard that his heal is very strong so you must simply be not using it as said before.
Also, just because YOU'RE having difficulty doesn't mean that everyone is. YOU find it too hard, MOST people don't seem to. Therefore the fault is with YOU and not THE GAME (and I hope you realise you just lost it as well).
No, you're not going to do everything first time. That is where learning comes in. If you really want spoonfed content, don't play games, watch films. I've not even done BLA yet and I think it's a shame that it got nerfed. I'd like them to nerf Eternal Grove for people who solo, but it's not going to happen. Instead I will just have to revise my strategies until I manage it, or finally give up and ask for help :P
The OP said that he's a "no skiller". My advice is to play the game more, for them to start thinking for themselves and to develop those skills that are lacking. It's really not difficult ¬_¬
I've heard from numerous people in my guild and alliance that Keiran has pwnage skills and I'm itching to try them out for myself. Also heard that his heal is very strong so you must simply be not using it as said before.
Also, just because YOU'RE having difficulty doesn't mean that everyone is. YOU find it too hard, MOST people don't seem to. Therefore the fault is with YOU and not THE GAME (and I hope you realise you just lost it as well).
Zenzai
I failed the first three attempts and then after I got used to the skills (hell, I even spammed some while waiting for the mark to be laid), the two existing quests were a breeze. Keiran is 'haxx'. He has 20 in all of his skills. I don't think they need to place a resurrection in these quests. It all boils down to 'l2p'.
DRGN
The only time I found any sort of "Difficulty" was during the second quest, mostly because Miku likes to call targets that have Guardian + Aegis on them and the Punishing Rangers spam their interrupts on recharge like a no-secondary Ranger in RA(which is sadly effective when there's only one target). Otherwise, it wasn't bad at all.
arcanemacabre
Died like a bitch three times in a row...
then I realized I was still in hard mode. Yeah, don't do it in HM unless you like the taste of dirt.
then I realized I was still in hard mode. Yeah, don't do it in HM unless you like the taste of dirt.
awry
If you're really desperate just pop a conset, eat some red candy, buff your morale, buff your hp with birthday cakes + candy apple+yadayadayada.
Or... you could try some tactics. Let sin tank for you, she self rezzes after a number of time. Use one hit ko shots whenever appropiate, hit and run if you have to. Don't agro more than one group. Interrupt your opponent's skills like rezzes. You can rearrange you skill bar while your are in the zone and you can get the rupt binded to a key that is more comfortable for you. Spam the group damaging skill as much as you can. Switch out of the shitty unmodded bull or mod that shitty bow and remember you got flatbows for stationary casters, recurves for rupts, shortbows if you are confident in your survival, kiting, skills and longbow if you are really hesistant about dying and don't feel comfortable at getting close. Hornbow is decent for power spikes, which i find to be useful if you follow the sin's target.
Or... you could try some tactics. Let sin tank for you, she self rezzes after a number of time. Use one hit ko shots whenever appropiate, hit and run if you have to. Don't agro more than one group. Interrupt your opponent's skills like rezzes. You can rearrange you skill bar while your are in the zone and you can get the rupt binded to a key that is more comfortable for you. Spam the group damaging skill as much as you can. Switch out of the shitty unmodded bull or mod that shitty bow and remember you got flatbows for stationary casters, recurves for rupts, shortbows if you are confident in your survival, kiting, skills and longbow if you are really hesistant about dying and don't feel comfortable at getting close. Hornbow is decent for power spikes, which i find to be useful if you follow the sin's target.
Mordakai
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Died like a bitch three times in a row...
then I realized I was still in hard mode. Yeah, don't do it in HM unless you like the taste of dirt. |
Anyway, after doing the first mish 5 times in a row, it would be awful to put in a res.
It's already too much reward for too little work, IMO....
If we're going to make it even easier, you might as well give everyone an Oppressor weapon after the mission.
drkn
It's like asking for a hard ress skill in Tihark Orchard mission.
Lest121
I fail my first time haven't tried it again stuff like this can never hold my interest in this game, and since the 3rd quest is bug i will wait for every thing to be fix.
Shard_Fenix
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Isfit
it is hard and there should be a resurrect for players not good at solo-content
|
Life Bringing
This mission really doesnt need a rez shrine. My only complaint is that t doesnt lock on to Miku's target. That alone would make this mission much easier than it already is
Lichtenberg
Also please make all enemy's use frenzy, that would be cool.
And if i could have a permanent Healing Hands on me.
Also, can the enemies be lvl 2?
And if i could have a permanent Healing Hands on me.
Also, can the enemies be lvl 2?
arcanemacabre
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Mordakai
Do you get better end rewards in HM?
|
Also - consumables do work, but anything that boosts your health or energy don't. Rock candy is nice for the run and attack speed buffs, though.
joea64
I've never even actually tried the BMP solo quests (which I understand are similar in concept to the Keiran quests) but I aced Auspicious Beginning the first time I attempted it on my rit (the first char to try this quest chain) and I just now succeeded again, first attempt, on my warrior. As others have said, the key is to study your skill bars, use your advantages (especially interrupt, that massive-damage sniper shot and self-heal) and don't overaggro. I haven't done the 2nd quest yet but that's because I want to study other players' experiences a bit first instead of going in completely blind.
keli
omg it comes again, they now know how anet reacts to crying so they wont stop now...
Scary
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Isfit
Does not change the fact that it is hard and there should be a resurrect for players not good at solo-content
|
I have not checkt any of it yet due lack of time. But within one day
asking to kill a new challange ??????????
Men you must be one hell of a patient guy.
crazylady
Personly i am the WORST when it comes to solos
But like the others have said if you read the skills dont over aggro (although even when i did that i still won!)
The skills are quite powerful and with all attributes set at 20 theres not much that can take him down ....or so i found.
And even if you do over aggro just run! The groups dont seem to be very sticky and break off pretty easily.
But like the others have said if you read the skills dont over aggro (although even when i did that i still won!)
The skills are quite powerful and with all attributes set at 20 theres not much that can take him down ....or so i found.
And even if you do over aggro just run! The groups dont seem to be very sticky and break off pretty easily.
Just Sai
gg nobody can leech this one
all that needs to has already been said here
read skill descriptions and use them accordingly
all that needs to has already been said here
read skill descriptions and use them accordingly
MisterB
Stolen Souls
They don't need to be simplified at all. I died once, near the start of the first quest. I just needed to get a feel for it and after that it was cake. Solo'd Rotcale and got his bow along the way.
Yojimaru
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by IlikeGW
It's really easy. You've got a strong heal over time skill (spam it, it's the last skill on your bar), a condition removal (save for when needed), a couple of quick recharge bow attacks one with AOE (spam), and a cripple (save for melee on you), and a skill that does instant kills if you follow the assassin's target. (spam) There's not really much that can go wrong besides you not using your healing skill at all TBH.
|
keli
WTS Rotwing Recurve Bow 500g!
NerfHerder
If it helps, you can sneak by some of the patrols.
But, I know where the OP is coming from. I made it through ok, but it doesnt mean everyone will. I didnt care much for the bonus mission pack. And this is just like it. I honestly wish they didnt make this kind of content soloable. I would rather take a real party like the other WiK stiff and rescue thackery or whatever.
But, I know where the OP is coming from. I made it through ok, but it doesnt mean everyone will. I didnt care much for the bonus mission pack. And this is just like it. I honestly wish they didnt make this kind of content soloable. I would rather take a real party like the other WiK stiff and rescue thackery or whatever.