Magik Island
Star_Jewel
Hair looks more uniform now, but both WIPs look fine to me -- one style is just a little "wilder" than the other. Down to personal choice, here.
As for the breast coverage issue, that's tricky. She's a nature girl...and she doesn't seem to be wearing anything for modesty on her bottom half, so wearing a "clothing" type covering on top wouldn't make sense. Coverage growing on her also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So you're kind of stuck with obscuring the view, either with a foreground leaf as was suggested, or going the more cliched route of extending her hair a little bit to strategically cover the "offensive" features of her breasts.
This could require some serious brainstorming.
...Or you could skip that and go the "Fantasia" water nymphs route and make her breasts completely smooth... J/K.
Oh, P.S.: I like the facepaint idea! But I'm not sure I like that style.
(I know -- pick, pick, pick. Sorry! I critique the ones I really like. )
As for the breast coverage issue, that's tricky. She's a nature girl...and she doesn't seem to be wearing anything for modesty on her bottom half, so wearing a "clothing" type covering on top wouldn't make sense. Coverage growing on her also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So you're kind of stuck with obscuring the view, either with a foreground leaf as was suggested, or going the more cliched route of extending her hair a little bit to strategically cover the "offensive" features of her breasts.
This could require some serious brainstorming.
...Or you could skip that and go the "Fantasia" water nymphs route and make her breasts completely smooth... J/K.
Oh, P.S.: I like the facepaint idea! But I'm not sure I like that style.
(I know -- pick, pick, pick. Sorry! I critique the ones I really like. )
Drelias Melaku
Now that the hiccup with my account is over and I can post again...
The background looks much better now. I'm terrible at critiquing - I never notice these things until after they're fixed. The second hairstyle is more fitting, I think - it looks, as Star said, a bit more wild than the first.
And I'd like to submit my vote for more Sylvari art some time!
I heard they were redesigning the Sylvari's models for the game, and I really hope they look something like this.
The background looks much better now. I'm terrible at critiquing - I never notice these things until after they're fixed. The second hairstyle is more fitting, I think - it looks, as Star said, a bit more wild than the first.
And I'd like to submit my vote for more Sylvari art some time!
I heard they were redesigning the Sylvari's models for the game, and I really hope they look something like this.
Tommy's
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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel
As for the breast coverage issue, that's tricky. She's a nature girl...and she doesn't seem to be wearing anything for modesty on her bottom half, so wearing a "clothing" type covering on top wouldn't make sense. Coverage growing on her also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So you're kind of stuck with obscuring the view, either with a foreground leaf as was suggested, or going the more cliched route of extending her hair a little bit to strategically cover the "offensive" features of her breasts.
Anyway, it appears you (Magik ) misunderstood me a bit considering the backlight, which of course is not a problem at all, because you can do whatever you like, as long as you like the end result But what I was trying to say it that I thought the bit of blue near her feet was really pleasant, the rest was a bit hard on the eye, but looking at it a bit closer that may be as well because there are some pink hues in there as well. Because of the great amount of green, the blue comes out very strong. I think if you use a bit of white and yellow here and there it will still look blue but less strong.
Ok finally able to finish this post as I was looking for this image:
Aeronwen
Its lovely pic, I like the pose and the her face is beautiful.
The bresat coverings are problematic. I don't think you can worry too much about what Sylvari would do- it doesn't make any sense for them even to have breasts. Also once you have breasts of a certain size its very much more comfortable to have proper support.
I am totally convinced by Charlie - art cannot depend on whats makes sense in rl.
I would leave her naked - I don't the broblem with an strategically placed vine or something - after all the plants are huggging her legs already.
The bresat coverings are problematic. I don't think you can worry too much about what Sylvari would do- it doesn't make any sense for them even to have breasts. Also once you have breasts of a certain size its very much more comfortable to have proper support.
I am totally convinced by Charlie - art cannot depend on whats makes sense in rl.
I would leave her naked - I don't the broblem with an strategically placed vine or something - after all the plants are huggging her legs already.
Verene
Well, sylvari mimic the humans buried where the Pale Tree grew, which is why they look pretty human.
The leaves do look odd...hmm. Unfortunately, since the redesign has yet to be revealed, we don't have much in the way of sylvari art to go on. There is this concept art by Kekai Kotaki, which is likely a Dark Court sylvari...this one, which I've always loved because it's very sweet and yet unhumanly fae-looking, and looks that it's likely a lot of your inspirations...and then this, which is obviously the old design, but still shows some potentials for clothes (very leafy, natural lines and colors).
If you don't want to go the actual clothing look...maybe a bark skin covering, like skin-tight (or a part of her), that goes up her side and covers her breasts?
The leaves do look odd...hmm. Unfortunately, since the redesign has yet to be revealed, we don't have much in the way of sylvari art to go on. There is this concept art by Kekai Kotaki, which is likely a Dark Court sylvari...this one, which I've always loved because it's very sweet and yet unhumanly fae-looking, and looks that it's likely a lot of your inspirations...and then this, which is obviously the old design, but still shows some potentials for clothes (very leafy, natural lines and colors).
If you don't want to go the actual clothing look...maybe a bark skin covering, like skin-tight (or a part of her), that goes up her side and covers her breasts?
Eastern Magik
oh ok, prepare yourself for a huge post (and yes, im typing this in notepad in case Opera decides to play dead on me D
@IH hmm, yes, srry i didn't understand what you were trying to say :S tried a few different ways (in wips below) Btw, idk how they breastfeed their babies, and i don't wanna find out XD
@Star yes, i like the "wilder" one better, but for the sake of her "chest issue" i messed with her hair as well I think smooth breasts look too weird (and creepy :P ) And after closer look on that face paint, i went on and changed it, also added a few stripes on her body.
I can only thank you for your critique and encourage you to post more, because posts like yours and many others here help me greatly in improving my art skills ^_^
@Drelias yeah, i've heard that they were redesigning them, too. And don't worry about critiques
@Tomm ok. Well, i've put some light rays falling there, with yellow and bright (near white) yellow. Yes, there are some pink hues as well. Sorry for misunderstanding :3
@Aero i don't really see how she would look without breasts, so i'll leave them on examples of new breasts below
@Verene i can't open the first image, and yes im using the second one as loose reference. On a plus side of not knowing how sylvari actually look, is giving me a whole lot of freedom in designing this particular sylvari
And wips:
Right rays wip (will probably add more details there)
Face close-up:
And let the brainstorming begin:
Body paint version (on one theres a bit more hair)
Vines ( i don't really like this one, just wanted to show it, just in case):
IH's idea with plants covering her breasts (instead of her hair, i tried putting there flying butterfly, snake, and poison ivy. So far, it goes best with her hair):
Star's idea to cover them only with her hair:
I think thats about it XD
@IH hmm, yes, srry i didn't understand what you were trying to say :S tried a few different ways (in wips below) Btw, idk how they breastfeed their babies, and i don't wanna find out XD
@Star yes, i like the "wilder" one better, but for the sake of her "chest issue" i messed with her hair as well I think smooth breasts look too weird (and creepy :P ) And after closer look on that face paint, i went on and changed it, also added a few stripes on her body.
I can only thank you for your critique and encourage you to post more, because posts like yours and many others here help me greatly in improving my art skills ^_^
@Drelias yeah, i've heard that they were redesigning them, too. And don't worry about critiques
@Tomm ok. Well, i've put some light rays falling there, with yellow and bright (near white) yellow. Yes, there are some pink hues as well. Sorry for misunderstanding :3
@Aero i don't really see how she would look without breasts, so i'll leave them on examples of new breasts below
@Verene i can't open the first image, and yes im using the second one as loose reference. On a plus side of not knowing how sylvari actually look, is giving me a whole lot of freedom in designing this particular sylvari
And wips:
Right rays wip (will probably add more details there)
Face close-up:
And let the brainstorming begin:
Body paint version (on one theres a bit more hair)
Vines ( i don't really like this one, just wanted to show it, just in case):
IH's idea with plants covering her breasts (instead of her hair, i tried putting there flying butterfly, snake, and poison ivy. So far, it goes best with her hair):
Star's idea to cover them only with her hair:
I think thats about it XD
Drelias Melaku
The eyelashes are a little distracting, but otherwise, I think my favorite of the group is Body Paint Version 1. The more I see of this, the more excited I get to see it finished!
Verene
Haha, part of the URL on the first link I posted got hit by the site censor. I replaced it with a tinyurl redirect so it should work.
Anyway, I like the bodypaint ones the best, particularly the first one. Maybe make them match her skintone and hair colors a bit closer, though?
Anyway, I like the bodypaint ones the best, particularly the first one. Maybe make them match her skintone and hair colors a bit closer, though?
InfestedHydralisk
I vote for the bodypaint one with shorter hair. That one seems to fit best.
Tommy's
Now that lighting looks a lot better imo! And I vote for bodypaint with shorter hair as well
Eastern Magik
okay, thanks for your help guys, i'll probably post finished version tomorrow
Eastern Magik
woooo, its done, you can check out Sylvari here
InfestedHydralisk
Looks fantastic! Love it!
Drelias Melaku
Added to favorites! <3 I left my love on DA.
Thistle Xandra
Awesome Even though I totally missed giving feedback, I LOVE going back to see your WIPs and see how you came up with your final version
Eastern Magik
@IH thank you honey
@Drelias awwwwwwwwwww, thanks *hug*
@Thistle thanks darling, im glad you like it
anyway, if i have a muse, she must be some really cold hearted b*bliiip*ch. I mean, srsly, now i can't finish that sapphire painting, i want to draw something gw-ish again :S hmmm, so what to draw? :X i don't really see any engineer artwork anywhere, and i always wanted to draw something steam-punky XD
@Drelias awwwwwwwwwww, thanks *hug*
@Thistle thanks darling, im glad you like it
anyway, if i have a muse, she must be some really cold hearted b*bliiip*ch. I mean, srsly, now i can't finish that sapphire painting, i want to draw something gw-ish again :S hmmm, so what to draw? :X i don't really see any engineer artwork anywhere, and i always wanted to draw something steam-punky XD
InfestedHydralisk
How about a female Charr Engineer? Female Charrs can be pretty models too!
Aeronwen
The sylvari looks lovely, just perfect.
ooh steam punky sounds fun, can't wait to see what you come up with.
ooh steam punky sounds fun, can't wait to see what you come up with.
Ravenhawk
Guy Incognito
That Sylvari is fantastic!! O.o I really like the rays of light and the way you paint hair is superb.
Thistle Xandra
Eastern Magik
@IH hmmmmmm, its a cool idea, but not really too eager to draw fur atm >_< (thats kinda painful process lol)
@Aero thanks ^_^ i did a sketch of a human engineer with a lot of steam punk details (somehow i imagine her to be in one of those airships)
@Mina ooh, sorry to hear you got sick, i hope you feel better soon love *hug* thanks.
@Guy thank you *kiss*
@Thistle ahhh, idk, charr anatomy is scary :O + the fur -_-
wip time:
i think her eyes need a little adjustment hehe. I know they don't wear goggles on a video clip but who knows, maybe they got some cool clockwork goggles ingame I referenced the pistol from this concept art (still don't know if i'll make it blue...)
@Aero thanks ^_^ i did a sketch of a human engineer with a lot of steam punk details (somehow i imagine her to be in one of those airships)
@Mina ooh, sorry to hear you got sick, i hope you feel better soon love *hug* thanks.
@Guy thank you *kiss*
@Thistle ahhh, idk, charr anatomy is scary :O + the fur -_-
wip time:
i think her eyes need a little adjustment hehe. I know they don't wear goggles on a video clip but who knows, maybe they got some cool clockwork goggles ingame I referenced the pistol from this concept art (still don't know if i'll make it blue...)
Ravenhawk
doh, lol I did not mean literally sick haha. I meant the 'sickness' of not being able to post as much ^^"
And love the outfit of that WIP so far. I can tell it's gonna be another badass artwork.
And love the outfit of that WIP so far. I can tell it's gonna be another badass artwork.
Drelias Melaku
O god, Magik + Steampunk = RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing brilliant. I can't wait to see how this turns out! <3
Charlie Dayman
Awesome brushwork on the Sylvari, Magik. The face paint is a nice touch too. The steampunk pic is looking really promising as well.
Eastern Magik
@Mina oh, lol, well glad to hear that you are not really sick thanks
@Drelias oh thank you love, you are too kind ^_________^
@Charlie thanks its always a pleasure to receive compliments from a master such as yourself.
And now... i need your help guys. I want your honest (and i really mean honest) opinion about next wip:
Ok, so :
1) color composition / is it better on this artwork or is it worst compared to my previous paintings? I generally mean skin parts (her face).
2) Technique / does it look better or worse than my previous paintings? Again, attention should be more focused on her face and skin (because i haven't spent more than 30 minutes on her clothing).
If anyone can help me out, pretty please? It is super, super important, and i will be forever thankful if anyone can take few minutes to help me out ...
@Drelias oh thank you love, you are too kind ^_________^
@Charlie thanks its always a pleasure to receive compliments from a master such as yourself.
And now... i need your help guys. I want your honest (and i really mean honest) opinion about next wip:
Ok, so :
1) color composition / is it better on this artwork or is it worst compared to my previous paintings? I generally mean skin parts (her face).
2) Technique / does it look better or worse than my previous paintings? Again, attention should be more focused on her face and skin (because i haven't spent more than 30 minutes on her clothing).
If anyone can help me out, pretty please? It is super, super important, and i will be forever thankful if anyone can take few minutes to help me out ...
Verene
Hmm. Really, the face looks fine, I think; my only real comment is in regard to colors and that the face looks more pink than the neck and chest (what can be seen). However I wouldn't really say it's incorrect, since faces tend to be redder/pinker in color than the rest of the body (except for the hands, usually) anyway. The forehead tends to have more highlighting than what you have here, though.
The sketch and painting so far look awesome, even though I've never liked the steampunk thing at all.
The sketch and painting so far look awesome, even though I've never liked the steampunk thing at all.
Morag D
I really like the colour scheme and face - for me it really works. I have to say, it looks perfect on my monitor, and that's not as saturated as others, so perhaps it looks a tad red-ish on other monitors, but for mine it's perfect! the browns are great. I also can't say anything negative about the technique - in fact I think I prefer this (although truth be told I couldn't bet on being able to tell exactly what you've been doing differently). I think looks very realistic in a painterly fashion. This'll be awesome!
The only thing that jumps at me at this stage are the goggles, I think the glasses should be further apart and larger, so they would sit comfortably over the eyes.
The only thing that jumps at me at this stage are the goggles, I think the glasses should be further apart and larger, so they would sit comfortably over the eyes.
Ravenhawk
I really like the color scheme here. It fits the steampunk feel. The skintone is also very realistic color-wise but maybe too smooth (completely understandable because this is not done yet :P) and could probably use some textures/imperfections as part of the finishing touches.
The one thing I noticed so far is that your latter artworks don't have a lot of face variations (I am probably guilty of this too). They seem to be all the same person. Don't get me wrong - all of them look absolutely stunning but maybe adding a bit more variety in facial features could bring more oomph to your works
The one thing I noticed so far is that your latter artworks don't have a lot of face variations (I am probably guilty of this too). They seem to be all the same person. Don't get me wrong - all of them look absolutely stunning but maybe adding a bit more variety in facial features could bring more oomph to your works
InfestedHydralisk
While I like the overall pose and clothing, I really notice you use alot of the same type of faces. I think you should try something different, but then again it usually requires a different pose. But other then that I have nothing else to say but the goggles seem a little small.
Aeronwen
I love it, I agree with Morag about the goggles.
Death By An Arrow
On my screen, the face does look bright. But it's hard to tell if that's a bad thing because the rest of the piece isn't finished I don't think it'll look wrong/bad because I would assume skin is more reflective than leathers and cloth.
Colour-wise I don't think it looks bad at all. I think it fits in well with the whole colourscheme. It might be a tad more orange than red, but it just looks like shes tanned.
Don't know how to comment on the technique. But it all looks nice
And I agree with Tommy, IH, and Mina about the faces. A little variety never hurts
Colour-wise I don't think it looks bad at all. I think it fits in well with the whole colourscheme. It might be a tad more orange than red, but it just looks like shes tanned.
Don't know how to comment on the technique. But it all looks nice
And I agree with Tommy, IH, and Mina about the faces. A little variety never hurts
Eastern Magik
thanks guys, you are the BEST!!!
anyway, Im doing coloring completely differently than my usual methods. Im trying out new stuff, because i re-watched that massive black dvd and between that guy's yapping about how he doesn't use references and how his wife supports him ( and for the 4 hours he babbled about everything except for the actual painting -_-) i've picked up a few tricks which i want to put on the test. I usually prepare color palette before the actual painting begins and i wanted to see if i can get it right if i don't do that first.
Also, im not really that much concerned about her face being similar to emerald painting, i've seen myself repeating before, especially when i don't use any reference, faces turn out quite similar...
And heres a wip:
I fixed her goggles, and more work done on her skin...
anyway, Im doing coloring completely differently than my usual methods. Im trying out new stuff, because i re-watched that massive black dvd and between that guy's yapping about how he doesn't use references and how his wife supports him ( and for the 4 hours he babbled about everything except for the actual painting -_-) i've picked up a few tricks which i want to put on the test. I usually prepare color palette before the actual painting begins and i wanted to see if i can get it right if i don't do that first.
Also, im not really that much concerned about her face being similar to emerald painting, i've seen myself repeating before, especially when i don't use any reference, faces turn out quite similar...
And heres a wip:
I fixed her goggles, and more work done on her skin...
InfestedHydralisk
Looks better, I think the sigaret changes alot.
Charlie Dayman
Wait a tick, did you happen to use Megan Fox's face as a reference here?
Aeronwen
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastern Magik
I fixed her goggles, and more work done on her skin... and gave her cancer!
what is it with cigarettes? Am I the only one who thinks they look ugly?
InfestedHydralisk
I think the cig fits here well, looks pretty stylish.
Star_Jewel
Gah, can't believe how long it's taken me to check back in here. Love-love-loved the Sylvari. Amazing to see the changes in the final result compared to the last WIP.
There's something kind of irking me about your steampunk gal. Maybe it's my imagination, but there's something about the faceshape that's kind of suggesting a perspective/pose that isn't really being fully realized.
"Wut?"
Okay, there are aspects that are suggesting that her head is kind of tilted back in a "looking down her nose at you" kind of way... like this, but not as extreme (this one is tilted much further back and off to the side...it's as close as I could find to illustrate my point ):
But the rest of the face doesn't follow that idea. I'm just getting a not-totally-in-agreement-perspective vibe. Am I seeing things? Is anyone else seeing it? Maybe it's the tiny goggle thing that everyone else has pointed out that's giving me that feeling.
There's something kind of irking me about your steampunk gal. Maybe it's my imagination, but there's something about the faceshape that's kind of suggesting a perspective/pose that isn't really being fully realized.
"Wut?"
Okay, there are aspects that are suggesting that her head is kind of tilted back in a "looking down her nose at you" kind of way... like this, but not as extreme (this one is tilted much further back and off to the side...it's as close as I could find to illustrate my point ):
But the rest of the face doesn't follow that idea. I'm just getting a not-totally-in-agreement-perspective vibe. Am I seeing things? Is anyone else seeing it? Maybe it's the tiny goggle thing that everyone else has pointed out that's giving me that feeling.
Eastern Magik
@IH yes, i think so too.
@Charlie no (i didn't use reference for the face at all).
@Aero well, it fits the picture. Personally, i haven't lit single cigarette in my entire life, and no, i don't support them.
@Star hmmmm, i will look into it, thanks for pointing that out.
@Charlie no (i didn't use reference for the face at all).
@Aero well, it fits the picture. Personally, i haven't lit single cigarette in my entire life, and no, i don't support them.
@Star hmmmm, i will look into it, thanks for pointing that out.