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X Dr Pepper X

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:05 - 1

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Can you give us some hints on what sort of quest and arc rewards we'll see?

By the time everything is all said and done relating to the return/wedding arc, people will have another Hero in their parties. We've added Heroes this way in the past, notably with M.O.X., and to a lesser extent, Zenmai and Olias got the same treatment, and it's something I'd like to carry forward with future content. As a player, I feel like it's pretty cool to invest the time in building up someone new, getting to know and work with them, and eventually having them join your side.

You know, this seems like as good a time as any to mention that we're going to be looking at making some improvements to melee Heroes in the future to make them more desirable companions. Koss misses you and wonders what happened to that sparkle he saw in your eyes when he was the first Hero to join your party. Maybe we can bring back that loving feeling.

~John Stumme

from an interview on http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/11...-of-the-north/

Well since ANet is gonna updating Melee heroes, it seems even more likely that Miku, the new assassin with whom Keiran cooperates with is a very likely candidate for a new hero (as if she wasn't already).

Also, rejoice for much needed melee hero AI/skill updates!

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:07 - 2

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Well since ANet is gonna updating Melee heroes, it seems even more likely that Miku, the new assassin with whom Keiran cooperates with is a very likely candidate for a new hero (as if she wasn't already).

umm they already said it wasn't a sin or ranger

X Dr Pepper X

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:12 - 3

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Originally Posted by End

umm they already said it wasn't a sin or ranger

Where did they say this?

And why on earth would it be a Ranger? We've already got 3 of them.

FoxBat

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:19 - 4

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Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X

Where did they say this?

Buried somewhere in wiki talk.

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And why on earth would it be a Ranger? We've already got 3 of them.

Just in case you thought Keiran was joining you as a ranger.

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:19 - 5

http://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?...02 7#New_hero

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Fun fact: The next Hero is neither an Assassin, nor a Ranger! John Stumme 01:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Lanier

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:47 - 6

Whats wrong with melee heroes/henchmen? I never have any problem with them and I always bring one in my party. Been doing my parties the same for a year and a half now and I'v never noticed any problem with them.

Just Sai

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:53 - 7

i vote for an ursan tank norn hero

Trag3dy

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:53 - 8

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Whats wrong with melee heroes/henchmen? I never have any problem with them and I always bring one in my party. Been doing my parties the same for a year and a half now and I'v never noticed any problem with them.

They have a lot of issues with aoe attacks and staying on targets from what I've seen.

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25 Nov 2010 at 05:58 - 9

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Whats wrong with melee heroes/henchmen? I never have any problem with them and I always bring one in my party. Been doing my parties the same for a year and a half now and I'v never noticed any problem with them.

They're terrible. They have no concept of position, they bounce around if there is AoE, they can't execute attack chains effectively, and they don't use stances very well.

Life Bringing

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25 Nov 2010 at 06:01 - 10

Considering that theyre updating melee ai, my guess is that the new hero will be yet another warrior. The last hero was a dervish so i don't believe they'll do another, and its not an assassin.

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25 Nov 2010 at 06:11 - 11

great another hero that wont get to see the light of day (never use my sins, warriors or dervishes unless they are required for quests/missions, heck I dont think I have even changed the skill bars of some of them!)

Sir Cusfreak

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25 Nov 2010 at 06:22 - 12

The best Idea I've ever heard for a new hero is to have one that could be any primary class, at any time, like we can change second classes. so we could have one hero that could be anything we needed at the time. to fit it in, they could make it maybe a Seer, or something along the lines of what Razah is. Hell, even Vael could fit the role, since he's been everywhere and done everything. However they did it, it would be awesome to have.

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25 Nov 2010 at 06:33 - 13

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Originally Posted by Life Bringing

Considering that theyre updating melee ai, my guess is that the new hero will be yet another warrior. The last hero was a dervish so i don't believe they'll do another, and its not an assassin.

I doubt it would be a Warrior. We have three Warriors already as heroes. Goren, Jora, and Koss. Don't really need another one of those.

Personally, I'd love it to be another Mesmer. Or what everyone else is speculating, a hero with no primary class. A Master of all Trades so to say.

I'm leaning towards a Kurzick Hero though. Seeing as the new content with the new hero will be dealing with Cantha, and we already have a Luxon Hero (Xandra), would make sense to have the next hero be someone from the Kurzick side.

Owik Gall

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25 Nov 2010 at 06:54 - 14

I'm guessing either a rit, or a paragon. There's only two available heroes from those classes, so having three would make the balance.

X Dr Pepper X

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25 Nov 2010 at 07:12 - 15

They said the next hero would be something unexpected.

Maybe the unexpected isn't in the mechanics and instead is in the character of the hero. Something outlandishly odd or exciting...

If it is indeed a melee hero, it will probably never see use by me. I have never even used MOX, Goren, or Anton other than upgrading their hero armor.

Evidence pointed to a Sin or a melee hero, but now with the info presented by Stumme, it seems doubtful.

Maybe they're just doing a melee hero AI update out of a fanciful whim since they've delivered jack on the Derv update.

Charlie Dayman

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25 Nov 2010 at 07:15 - 16

Ideally, it would be cool if they plan to release a hero with a selectable primary profession while also giving melee AI some attention as well.

At least, that's what I'm hoping for. And the new hero must be Blimm. It must.

chadS

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25 Nov 2010 at 07:19 - 17

4 more necros please.

Necrin Blaed

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25 Nov 2010 at 07:49 - 18

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Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X

They said the next hero would be something unexpected.

Maybe the unexpected isn't in the mechanics and instead is in the character of the hero. Something outlandishly odd or exciting...

And the new heroes are: Glint and Kuunavang! Bwahahahaha!

mechanizeddeath

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25 Nov 2010 at 08:12 - 19

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Originally Posted by Sir Cusfreak

The best Idea I've ever heard for a new hero is to have one that could be any primary class, at any time, like we can change second classes.

Back when the MOX content was added, that's exactly what I thought he was at first. I saw that picture on the GW website showing the different avatar skill appearances, and for a couple seconds I thought he had a selectable primary.

Needless to say, that wasn't the case, and he's still got his starter skill bar and scythe.

A11Eur0

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25 Nov 2010 at 09:32 - 20

Sylvari any-prof plox.

Oh, did you forget about them?

There's a tree opening up at the end of the EOTN final sequence. Being over a year since that occurred, my thoughts are it's the first Sylvari to be born, and it's our new hero.

I think the melee hero AI update is separate from the new hero altogether, or maybe if it's a selectable-primary hero (probably not able to be altered on the fly...likely you choose what it is to start with and you can change it at an NPC later on as a gold sink) it IS something related. Either way, I'd like to use my sin heroes which I just outfitted with daggers I had laying around.

Stolen Souls

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25 Nov 2010 at 09:37 - 21

This doesn't excite me all that much, as I still won't use melee heros too often. I just don't like them, and don't see what they can do to make them more appealing to me. To me casters will just always outshine them. :/

As for what the new hero could be, it intrigues me. Something unexpected, and not a ranger or sin. Variable profession would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. >.>

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25 Nov 2010 at 09:53 - 22

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Sylvari any-prof plox.

Oh, did you forget about them?

There's a tree opening up at the end of the EOTN final sequence. Being over a year since that occurred, my thoughts are it's the first Sylvari to be born, and it's our new hero.

Sylvari are not born for another 225 years in the GW1 timeline. The Pale Tree is a Pale Twig at the end of EotN. Any passerby could perform Sylvari genocide by stepping on it.

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25 Nov 2010 at 09:53 - 23

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By the time everything is all said and done relating to the return/wedding arc, people will have another Hero in their parties. We've added Heroes this way in the past, notably with M.O.X., and to a lesser extent, Zenmai and Olias got the same treatment, and it's something I'd like to carry forward with future content. As a player, I feel like it's pretty cool to invest the time in building up someone new, getting to know and work with them, and eventually having them join your side.

I have to say this did intrigue me... It does make it sound awfully like Miku but earlier on he said:

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Along the way players will cross paths and work with someone that will be a key player in the Winds of Change storyline that's still to come.

Hurrah -_- I can't wait to see more of her well thought through target calling.

So, as it's someone who's involved in the current story arc, any ideas thus far other than Miku? Blimm/Zinn maybe?

Archress Shayleigh

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:01 - 24

I think it'll be something Kurz.. And something we don't already have 3 of. Kurzick para? Kurz rit? mes?

Archress Shayleigh

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:03 - 25

Maybe Togo's son or something? XD

Lishy

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:07 - 26

I'm afraid buffing melee heroes will require more than fixing AI...

Improvavel

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:19 - 27

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Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

This doesn't excite me all that much, as I still won't use melee heros too often. I just don't like them, and don't see what they can do to make them more appealing to me. To me casters will just always outshine them. :/

The main problem of melee heroes is their AI. Of course the fact that they can't use essential skills like whirlwind attack, AoHM, critical agility, etc, doesn't help much.

Basically as everyone said, they will flee from AoE attacks, running away and stop attacking for precious seconds, even if they are taking low amounts of damage or even no damage from it.

Additionally the fact they will try to follow the human player attacks, running back and forwards if you switch targets, denies them one of the melee professions biggest advantages - being able to kill 1 target by themselves (or as a duo) given access to deep wound and freeing the rest of the party to take on a second target.

The appeal of melee heroes (if those weakness are somewhat reduced) is the ability to buff them with orders, SoH, GDW, splinter and the like (which isn't easy to do if players H/H, but the 7 heroes update will open further possibilities).

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:29 - 28

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Originally Posted by Archress Shayleigh

Maybe Togo's son or something? XD

There's no viable reason to believe Togo has a son...and where has he been all this time if he exists?

Bellatrixa

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:33 - 29

Thinking about it... Zinn is a warrior... Hmm... Seems silly to have 4 warrior heroes though. Mind you, if we get Embark Beach along with WoC... I doubt it'll be a Kurzick rit considering Xandra is a Luxon rit. It could also be that the melee hero tweaks are nothing whatsoever to do with the new hero. We've already been told it's not a assassin which rules out Miku. We DO know that it's someone who's already part of what we've played so far (or at the very least will be by the end of the wedding).

At the moment I'm trying to think about all the NPCs that were involved with WiK/HotN. Mind you, without knowing more about WoC and what it'll involve, it's hard to really say.

wilson

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:42 - 30

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Any passerby could perform Sylvari genocide by stepping on it.

Hehe, fun idea.

On topic: a multipurpose hero would certainly be awesome.

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25 Nov 2010 at 12:44 - 31

Ok so we are getting a new hero who we meet during the preparations for the wedding. Doesnt that kind of eliminate all those Canthan guesses?

I'm really hoping on a variable primairy aswell. But I believe Razah was ment to be that kind of hero, at which Anet found out they were not capable of creating it in the way they had in mind. I wonder if they could now. Besides that, it would either need to be a hero that is very mystical (like Razah) or just a superhero, being able to handle all kinds of magic. Also how would they implement that into the armor rating? Dont think they are able to change that along the change of primairy profession.

In the line of where things are going, I think the content will proceed after the wedding, making their way to settling in the coming city Ebonhawk. I think the hero might appear on your way here, so probably will be a Human vanguard of some vegetarian Charr.

VinnyRidira

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25 Nov 2010 at 13:12 - 32

Obviously the new hero will be the unexpected Paragon.

drkn

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25 Nov 2010 at 13:13 - 33

Why would Zinn want to join you, anyway?
The PC isn't going to get ancient artifacts any time soon. No discovering ancient lore or powerful magic scheduled.
The threat of Destroyers, who originally made Asura get out to the surface and teamed Vekk up with the PC, is long gone. There's no reason why any Asura would like to give up his laboratory, experiments and science just to accompany some bookah in his adventures around the whole world. Especially that Zinn has to plan his vengeance on the Council.
Maybe a new golem from Zinn and Blimm duet, but i doubt we'll get any real aid from the asura, party-wise speaking.

Sylvaris are also, obviously, excluded.

Charr? Apart of Pyre's warband, the only 'friendly' charr is Dune Teardrinker. I don't think he's going to give up his polymocking just to wander with some random meat and its mice.

A tyrian centaur? The only peaceful one i know is Ventari and he's obviously not going to travel the world with us, as his job in the world's lore is already known and, so to say, set in stone.

Maybe a changed dwarf then? One of those that survived the struggle with destroyers and came back to the surface to help the hero who once helped them. Yet even then, why? Is there any dwarf that might be alive by this time and would have any reason to join us?

I'd also rule out the usually-hostile creatures like demons (of all kind) and djinns. It would be just a bit weird to command a Margonite hero, even though it might be cool.

A tyrian tengu? I don't remind any tengu that might be even remotely interested in it...

A dredge from the retaken Sorrow's Furnace would be unexpected and, besides a dwarf, is the most probable out of the races mentioned so far. As a side note, i'd love to see - and take part in - retaking SF for the dredge during GW: B.

This leaves us either a norn or a human.
Out of non-human races, a norn is most likely to join us on dangerous adventures, to slay whatever comes at hand. Which norn NPCs know our PC and might be interested in travelling? Is there any norn, besides Jora, who owns us a favor?

The human population is big in GW1, so it would be useful to divide it into factions we know. Anyone of the Ebon Vanguard? Salma's allies - Bartholos? Dinas? A former White Mantle follower who'd like to repent for sins? Someone from Ascalon?
I'd rule out the whole Elona. Cantha is possible, but doubtful, as we'll get a hero at the end of HotN, and we know that HotN is not connected with the upcoming canthan content in any way - i doubt the new hero will be a bridge between HotN and WoC.

There are also non-ordinary possibilities - a spirit from the Mists, an undead XYZ, etc - but as Konig and Stumme hinted, the new hero is quite obvious, /facepalm-like obvious, so i wouldn't wander into those parts.

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25 Nov 2010 at 13:23 - 34

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Originally Posted by Trag3dy

They have a lot of issues with aoe attacks and staying on targets from what I've seen.

I've only very recently started using an Earthshaker hero, which is great. However they really, really do have a problem with staying on locked targets, I don't get it. Because when there's 2 healers in a mob, I tend to lock Jora on 1 and put GDW on her, then I focus others on the 2nd healer. The first will be knocklocked/dead so doesn't pose any more problems.

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25 Nov 2010 at 13:38 - 35

I'm guessing Egil Fireteller (paragon), or the seer in Zinn's lab (mesmer).

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25 Nov 2010 at 14:40 - 36

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Originally Posted by drkn

and we know that HotN is not connected with the upcoming canthan content in any way - i doubt the new hero will be a bridge between HotN and WoC.

The only bridge is (from what I could gather from the interview) Miku. It's already been confirmed that she's not going to be the new hero though.

The thing that intrigues me is the whole fact that it's meant to be someone we're going to have a lot of contact with during the rest of HotN. I'm going to be presumptuous and say that the chances are it's someone involved in/around Olafsted as that's where the wedding is set. Maybe Jora will no longer be the token Norn.

MithranArkanere

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25 Nov 2010 at 14:48 - 37

Hm... I rarely use melee heroes, but when I do, I only bring interruptions and/or AoE with them.
They can be a little annoying, running around from target to target, or going back to you instead going directly to the next target, so most builds that focus on a single target are no good.
That's why I never bring an assassin hero.

gremlin

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25 Nov 2010 at 15:08 - 38

The new hero is Gwen's evil twin sister

Kanda

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25 Nov 2010 at 15:32 - 39

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Originally Posted by drkn

as Konig and Stumme hinted, the new hero is quite obvious, /facepalm-like obvious.

Really? Not a ranger, neither a sin, but still /facepalm obvious.

Then would it be that hero that openly switched to Paragon primary? You know, the one whose wife is always with you killing things sadistically somewhere in the world?

Which raises the following question: are there any viable hero team builds using both Paragon and Mesmer?

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25 Nov 2010 at 15:41 - 40

monoliths are both paragon and mesmer but it's not likely they will join you