Live Team News: Updated 3rd March - Feature Build Details Confirmed

Yes, even though I knew it was Afk, I was still impressed when I saw the title, pratially for its name, partially because i wanted it, and partially because I knew how much time it took to pull, leave it up, come back and kill them day after day. No its not how the game is meant to be played but it was "kinda" cool how they added the title for a game bug they found.

No I dont think it was the right thing to do to add the title for that but For me at least I thought it was cool...Then again maybe others didnt. Im fine with that. I just cant wait to get it for myself.

I've been looking forward to having 7 heroes for months. This will make my game more fun for me.
I think Embark is a good idea, but I question how it will actually play out.
Zaishen VQs are a great idea.
I do think these are improvements to the game.
Making survivor and LDoA titles easier, I dont.

Giving players the ability to buy the advantage of different team composition is a lot more than just a bad idea, and a lot more than just not fun, it's wrong. If the Mercenary slots were purely cosmetic, then that would be a great addition - I can think of several re-skins I'd love to see available for heroes...trading Norgu for the appearance of Koro Sagewind? Yes please. But they need to be cosmetic. (Never having to look at Norgu again would be a huge improvement in any case. Can we reskin him for something? Maybe a wind rider, or a Bog Skale, or another robot?) Having the ability to choose between 22 Livias is fine with me as well. Being able to have access to heroes of different professions because you paid real money is not.

You're wrong.

But yes, this is off-topic.

NO. It will not be easier. You don't have to do anything to get LDoA right now. It will be more common, but only because it'll actually be fun after the update. Things should not be kept shitty and boring just so a tiny minority can cling onto their epeen.

You are saying two different things, one: that'll it'll be easier (false), two: that it'll be more common (true). But more common != worse.

I'm not a deathlevel pro, but don't you have to pull the charr, which takes quite a while? If you didn't have to do anything, I'd have ldoa already.

Mmmph...I exaggerated, but still, calling a title prestigious for pulling some mobs once a day? I'm no deathlevelling pro either but glancing over a few tutorials on YouTube it seems to take <5 minutes.

I knew people that did it and it took 30-40min to pull all the groups of char to the shrine, and btw sorry I didnt really mean it was going to be easier, I just meant it will be less time invasive and more simple with casual play.

Yes, it will actually be harder work involved now than before. Now you actually have to play and enjoy the game doing daily quests and not just afk at night after 5-30 minutes of pulling mobs to shrine. Harder work shouldnt really upset the old LDoA traditionalists too much, should it? So anyone being upset, it must be for the reason that you enjoy the game more than they did when they were working on their title.

I wonder if they'll nerf deathlevelling so doing the Dailes is the only way to get it now, or whether there'll be two routes. I mean, deathlevel overnight, do the quests during the day, set up another deathlevel when you're done would be the fastest way.

When I did LDoA, two years ago, it took me 30-40 minutes a night to do the big lure. You have to kill (most) Shamans then lure each mob of 2-3 to the res shrine separately from the far reaches of The Northlands. It wasn't even a case of getting aggro and running back: you have to pull them, take them beyond their extension limits, let them go back a bit until they stop running and start walking, re-aggro, and repeat until they're locked at the res shrine. You have to do this rigmarole dozens of times to finish the title.

Then the next day, you wake up, turn the monitor on and see the black disconnection screen. *heart sinks*

So for the people calling it an "afk title" - screw you, because you don't know what you're talking about.

Waste of time and electricity? I'd say so.
Easy-peasy afk title? No way.

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Despite all the frustrations that come (came) with the title, I did enjoy it. The solitude of pre-searing along with the scenery and the generally more laid back community contrasts quite a bit from the rest of the game. The excitement of a popular minor rune, Charr Bag, Charr Salvage kit or a black/white dye also contributed to the fun factor.

I do support the new changes. Just as long as the quests aren't overly rewarding as far as XP is concerned.

With changes to Survivor, I think people would actually do the quests and abandon death leveling.. it's a big achievement for thoose who can actually get rank 2-3 survivor in pre now, they would be among the first people in almost 6 years

So the hard part is not DCing? I mean, i've afked overnight a few times to deathlevel pets and raise (Un)Lucky and have never DCed. Sounds like LDoA would've been a cakewalk, albeit, an expensive and boring one. The fact remains, the only way to get this time was to spend the vast majority of your time not playing the game. The fact that anyone can defend this method of acquisition is absurd.


Perhaps, but if you only want LDoA for HoM and you already have Survivor you might as well do it the quickest way, i.e. use both methods.

The whole concept of LDoA is 'absurd'.

The Charr pulling, however, is a technique that does require mastering and the reason I talked about waking up to a disconnect is because all of your 30-40 mins of effort are flushed down the drain. It's disheartening, demotivating and demoralising and it's easy to swear a few times and give up. The title is a reward for perserverence and commitment.

So do a lot of other folks. Let's face it. Not everybody can be as skilled at a game as others no matter how hard they try. Or maybe they just choose to not dedicate themselves to becoming better players. So take pride that you and others have done something at its hardest level. At the end of the day though it's still just a game. And ANET is a game maker trying to turn a profit. Which makes all the "harder is better" players the minority. Most folks just want to log on and lose themselves for a few hours doing something fun. Most folks also want to have their cake and eat it too. So do you keep the minority or the majority happy. I think ANET goes where the money is to be made on an almost 6 year old game.



People better start hiding the TV remotes just in case people go rect....I mean postal over the update.

Im loving the look of the updates.
and as usual there is QQ and pewpew over title changes. So LDOA and (possibly) survivor are going to be changed. Everyone QQd so much when EoTN came out and people could get it doing Killroys or using Kath hammers. I mean really? Big deal they got it an easier way than you did.
LDoA tho.. The way you get it tbh is broken. You have to let things kill you, to level
them up enough to then go and kill. Thats just stupid. If i want to get a title I want to spend the time to go and get it. If that means doing x amount of missions. Or x amount of mapping or killing x amount of mobs.. great. Even Drunkard i clicked all 10,000 mins. Party all 10,000 points. I didnt afk to wait for the game to get to a point i could do something. Not everyone is allowed to leave their pc on every night to get a title. People that play 2-3 hours a day or even a few hours a week should be able to get the same thing that everyone else can get.

People turning around saying "i got survivor the proper way" "i got LDOA the proper way" gg. you got LDoA by pretty much abusing game mechanics. As far as i know they never intended DL to be done to achieve that title (I could be wrong dont flame this is just my op) Survivors saying they got LDoA by skill capping / Questing.. Good for you. good achievment. But so what?
Same as me saying: You got Sunspear title by grinding the SS farm quest over and over and I got it from VQing. You cheated. Its not cheating its just the way each person plays the game.

As for the 7 heros and the Merc heros. you have what 27 heros with 3 heros of each proffession ~ each. Thats 3 rits 3 necros and a mesmer.. or any combination I really dont see why people are going to start needing 8 necro teams when there are much stronger compositions. If people want to pay to have some new heros then they can. Its the way they want to play the game. If you dont want to pay then use what the game gives you. There is NO need for more than the heros that they give you :/

As far as I know, it was indeed designed to be done that way since it's the only way outside of getting tomes into presearing.

When a title is designed to take thousands of hours, people who only play a few hours a week shouldn't be entitled to get it.

If we were all playing WoW, we'd have a Feat of Strength for having LDoA prepatch, since it's something that's significantly different from what it'll be afterwards. Unfortunately, GW doesn't support that kind of individual achievement, so everyone who did it the "hard" way gets shafted.

Even though I DL'd LDoA the "hard" way (it's actually ridiculously easy, just time consuming), I'm very glad it's changed, it needed to be.

With everything going on, I am currently singing the praises of Stumme and his colleagues. Nice job Live Team.

I'm slightly holding out that with all these great changes the game will be revitalized and a full expansion might be made. I can dream can't I?

i hear where you are coming from, but it's not like there was an asterisk next to anyone's title who achieved survivor via kilroy or glacial stone farming with scrolls or kath hammers. that part is on the devs for letting people slip through loop holes or designing things that have loop holes. I know for a fact that Izzy's main was an ele that he loved to farm with. I think this totally means that the devs designed the vaettir area so he could go farming.

One thing I like the most: I don't have to worry about doing normal quests only at lvl 18

It seems that most people forget that the LDoA title came after they acknowledged there were people figuring out ways to get to level 20 in pre-searing and stay on to be prema-pres.

Therefore the exploit came before the title and now the devs have just opened it up so that there will be more prema-pres that have an obtainable achievement for their own happiness.

No dev-messages in over a month? Oo
What's up with WoC?

They probably spent a lot of time working on the April Fool's update.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...hn_Stumme#.3C3

Stumme hinting at some sort of event for the birthday weekend beyond drops and minipets.

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Oh awesome. Thanks for finding that.

Hopefully this year's anniversary update will be as good as they've been saying it is.

Wow....really?

So . . . does that mean Factions' length is getting doubled?

Joking aside, I wonder when it'll finally come. If it's really that much, I'm a bit amazed that they're providing it for free. It'll probably be paired with more item shop costumes, though. (And if so, I hope that they finally fix the problem with the male outfits not scaling to their body type.) But even if it's not, I'll probably still buy something from the item shop as a thank you for the content.

im confused xD when they say small expansion's size do they mean wik size or eotn size? or maybe something in the middle? xD

Wow... very cool. I have to say, I haven't been the slightest bit disappointed by a single thing the team has done since Stumme took over. Twice I've said his actions fulfilled and exceeded his promises. For the first time in a while, I can believe that my patience will actually be worth it.

So kudos. Keep destroying expectations and I'll keep believing. And waiting.