Woohoo, Snowball Dominance, Improved!!!

Puddin Cheeks

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

This year it is giving, 10 wintersday gifts instead of 10 shards.

Bug, or intended?

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

no more CC farming in SD
darn...it was an easy money maker

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

Intended.

Puddin Cheeks

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

On Welfare

Jelly of the Month [Club]

Ty, Regina this made my Wintersday!

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDog91 View Post
no more CC farming in SD
darn...it was an easy money maker
10 shards = 2 gifts and now you get 10 gifts? Isn't it better?

basti91

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

Real Darkness [RD]

Mo/

Wow. That's awesome. Really.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

Sweet! Awesome! Groovy!

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

What a nonsense, wasn't it already stupidly overfarmed and too rewarding? This way it will only hugely devalue the gifts we get everywhere else. Terribad change.

Zawk Tirson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2010

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
What a nonsense, wasn't it already stupidly overfarmed and too rewarding? This way it will only hugely devalue the gifts we get everywhere else. Terribad change.
Word is that it isn't repeatable anymore.

Lordshonsu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

W/

it is repeatable u just have to rezone into town

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Hah, they saw that people were farming it like crazy, so they just decided "F*** it, EAT PRESENTS!!"

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

You have no idea how happy i was to randomly click on wiki then see the update, i even made a strange noise of excitment which really isn't like me, thanks!!!!"!

Thorinfire

Thorinfire

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shiverpeaks

Ambassadors of Enlightenment [SAGE]

R/

Nice change thanks

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

Next step: please give us 10 wintersday gifts every three minutes while standing AFK in the guildhall, please

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
10 shards = 2 gifts and now you get 10 gifts? Isn't it better?
people paid a good bit for CCs to get gifts which they could resell
and now the price of gifts will plummet and CCs are worthless

Damian Greenthumb

Damian Greenthumb

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Hawaii

Me/

Well we know who the Grentches are this year!
Wintersday is about giving and getting gifts, go farm a mini JB!

BoondockSaint

BoondockSaint

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/Me

Also we can spam tonics this year making this quest an even better spot.

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoondockSaint View Post
Also we can spam tonics this year making this quest an even better spot.
What?

12chars...

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
What a nonsense, wasn't it already stupidly overfarmed and too rewarding? This way it will only hugely devalue the gifts we get everywhere else. Terribad change.
How come is bad?
Those that use gifts can get more.
Those that sell the gifts get less cash.
Since they are meant to be used, that enforces the original purpose.
Like the ToT farming, it's better to get them yourself!
I think I'll be getting my Party Animal title sooner that I expected!

Yay!

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

woooooot awesome change, thanks ANet!! Happy Wintersday!

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
How come is bad?
Those that use gifts can get more.
Those that sell the gifts get less cash.
Since they are meant to be used, that enforces the original purpose.
Like the ToT farming, it's better to get them yourself!
I think I'll be getting my Party Animal title sooner that I expected!

Yay!
Rewards for other Wintersday stuff look completely terrible compared to this. Just look at Snowball fights still rewarding only 3 shards per win or look at how miserable are the rewards for the new battles of the 4 gods, what a joke Anet.

Rewards creep is not good for anything, it's just filling our inventories with tons and tons of near worthless crap.

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
Rewards for other Wintersday stuff look completely terrible compared to this. Just look at Snowball fights still rewarding only 3 shards per win or look at how miserable are the rewards for the new battles of the 4 gods, what a joke Anet.

Rewards creep is not good for anything, it's just filling our inventories with tons and tons of near worthless crap.
I guess Wintersday is to Party Animal / Sweet Tooth / Drunkard (primarily party animal though) what Shing Jea Boardwalk (CNY, b-day, DF) is to Lucky / Unlucky.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
Rewards for other Wintersday stuff look completely terrible compared to this. Just look at Snowball fights still rewarding only 3 shards per win or look at how miserable are the rewards for the new battles of the 4 gods, what a joke Anet.

Rewards creep is not good for anything, it's just filling our inventories with tons and tons of near worthless crap.
Hm... you have a point.
I still wonder why keeping the old LA ones with the offhand items, when you could just have Candysmith Marley make one for you...

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

What's the big deal? 250 ToT bags from the main holiday quest chains set a precedent that they don't want this to be "farm Wars" where you bash the crap out of raptors or what have you instead of doing the event stuff.

And the Dwayna vs Grenth snowball fights are the only way to get Gamer points during the event anyway.

yitjuan

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

GMT +8

redt

Rt/

but but ... this is awesome!

All those complainers are like those old fogies who reminiscent of a time when politicians were noble, things were cheaper and children respected their elders. Oh, and there weren't any computers and families watched TV together.

What's wrong with moving with the times?

Lordshonsu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

W/

well it will definitely allow ppl to get their party/booze/sweet titles done but i think they need to introduce more holiday prizes that we can get from the wintersday gifts

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

/Eyes exploding out of head

Seriously A.net. I really love playing snowball arena though (and I'd like the next gamer rank). But when you just make this that profitable... how can I do anything else?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

No-one is even going to look at the new repeatable quest with this thing around. Which is a shame as it's much more involved. Giving 10 gifts away for this is just silly.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arduin View Post
Next step: please give us 10 wintersday gifts every three minutes while standing AFK in the guildhall, please
That's how it was for first wintersday, the presents were in inventory, not on the ground. Could just afk in town before.

BoondockSaint

BoondockSaint

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
What?

12chars...
Loose magic, which was not around this time last year allows you to spam tonics without have to change dis. locations, logout, ect. Thus making it an even better farming spot for your party title.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoondockSaint View Post
Loose magic, which was not around this time last year allows you to spam tonics without have to change dis. locations, logout, ect. Thus making it an even better farming spot for your party title.
Doesn't do jack for Frosty or any other outpost-only tonics.

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Intended.
As an avid event farmer who has had consumable titles maxed for years, I say thank you!

It may seem unfair to some that points are easy now and Wintersday Gift value will drop. But, I'm not hating because all I farm turns to profit. And I can sell them to people that need those titles for a good price. Win-Win scenerio.

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion View Post
That's how it was for first wintersday, the presents were in inventory, not on the ground. Could just afk in town before.
I wasn't talking about the final event.

I guessed because farming that quest is that easy, and gives you 10 gifts in ~3 min, Anet could do away with the need to farm altogether and give us free gifts for just standing AFK somewhere for the entirety of the event for next year.

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

Finally i can complete those two grind titles and be done with this game.

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoondockSaint View Post
Loose magic, which was not around this time last year allows you to spam tonics without have to change dis. locations, logout, ect. Thus making it an even better farming spot for your party title.
Yes, but 99.9% of tonics you get from Wintersday are Frosty tonics...

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

I think the small secondary patch caused the mobs to spread out a lot immediately after they become hostile. I mgiht be wrong but I don't recall them doing that last night.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion View Post
What's the big deal? 250 ToT bags from the main holiday quest chains set a precedent that they don't want this to be "farm Wars" where you bash the crap out of raptors or what have you instead of doing the event stuff.

And the Dwayna vs Grenth snowball fights are the only way to get Gamer points during the event anyway.
Farm Wars. This is exactly it. A great event turning into degenerate overfarm of just one simple quest.

Increasing some rewards which were poor is a good move but THIS was already the single most consistently profitable thing per hour to do during Wintersday 2009 and was extremelly overfarmed and DID NOT need any kind of buff.

At this rate the consumable titles (drunk/sweet/party) should have 3rd rank to max, at 100,000 points or at least 50,000, only then the insane rates at which stuff gets produced would be reasonable.

Another thing is proper BALANCING of rewards, if you want to give out thousands of presents at least spread them properely through the content and make the most challenging bits the most rewarding.

aspi

aspi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

eeew

N/Rt

Agreed, this just doesn't make any sense to have such awards for such a simple task. Fastest snowball farm with 2 people is what, 1 minute?

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by makosi View Post
I think the small secondary patch caused the mobs to spread out a lot immediately after they become hostile. I mgiht be wrong but I don't recall them doing that last night.
They've always done that.
You or your team mate has to run up and aggro them and then run back. Been that way for as long as it's been available

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
Farm Wars. This is exactly it. A great event turning into degenerate overfarm of just one simple quest.
Oh BS. People already farmed this event like crazy; now, a single player might actually have the time to farm their way to the max title in a single Wintersday. That's reducing grind. Yes, it also decreases the money everyone can make from selling gifts, but that's not the grind you were complaining about, was it?

Oh wait...
Quote:
At this rate the consumable titles (drunk/sweet/party) should have 3rd rank to max, at 100,000 points or at least 50,000, only then the insane rates at which stuff gets produced would be reasonable.
Yeah, you complain about the game being "Farm Wars" and then you say something stupid like this. WTF?