Woohoo, Snowball Dominance, Improved!!!

The Mountain

The Mountain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Realm of the GWAMMs

Teh Academy [PhD]

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I'm sure the botters are saying their thanks.........

BrettM

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

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The problem seems to be that reducing grind to get drunk/party/sweet points cuts into the income of people who need zkeys/minis/HoM weapons/FoW armor. So those looking for consumable titles can grind or spend less (on stuff that was already pretty cheap), but those looking for other things must now grind or spend more (on stuff that was already pretty expensive).

It makes things more difficult on those of us relying on sales of consumable points to fund those last few HoM points.

IlikeGW

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettM View Post
It makes things more difficult on those of us relying on sales of consumable points to fund those last few HoM points.
Farm now, sell now at the going market price, and you'll make a lot money. Worked for me on Halloween.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettM View Post
The problem seems to be that reducing grind to get drunk/party/sweet points cuts into the income of people who need zkeys/minis/HoM weapons/FoW armor.
The only thing lowering the price of consumables is the insane supply. The prices only drop because you get so many. Sell consumables for less, but you get more per time so it evens out. You're still going to get roughly the same cash per time on this farm as you would before - probably a little more actually.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

already finished those titles....would rather have the shards for the finale (guess I will just have to get them as drops).

but whatever.....

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep View Post
already finished those titles....would rather have the shards for the finale (guess I will just have to get them as drops).

but whatever.....
You can get shards from gifts too. Have over 4 stacks of shards already.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Am I the only one having issues with the Jack Frost summon? More often than not, they just sit there and do nothing.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Makai- View Post
Am I the only one having issues with the Jack Frost summon? More often than not, they just sit there and do nothing.
As I recall from past years, once they are summoned they attack nearby enemies but will not move from a very limited area and will not follow their master. Essential, it is a spirit, not a minion even though the game treats it as a creature.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Swift View Post
As I recall from past years, once they are summoned they attack nearby enemies but will not move from a very limited area and will not follow their master. Essential, it is a spirit, not a minion even though the game treats it as a creature.
Oh, I got that it acts as a spirit, but even in range the damn thing wouldn't do anything. Meh, think I'll go Ranger; it seems Ranger + Necro is the quickest method anyways.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
You can get shards from gifts too. Have over 4 stacks of shards already.
have yet to get ANY from the gifts---lots of tonics and candy canes.....so yeah back to waiting for them as drops.

Damian Greenthumb

Damian Greenthumb

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Hawaii

Me/

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep View Post
have yet to get ANY from the gifts---lots of tonics and candy canes.....so yeah back to waiting for them as drops.
I always got the most shards from farming Strength of Snow, though the rift warden has yet to show up...
I still have 2.5 stacks from 2 years ago.

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Makai- View Post
Am I the only one having issues with the Jack Frost summon? More often than not, they just sit there and do nothing.
Try pinging a target (within its range), that usually wakes it up.

Damian Greenthumb

Damian Greenthumb

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Hawaii

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Makai- View Post
Am I the only one having issues with the Jack Frost summon? More often than not, they just sit there and do nothing.
He wont follow you around, you have to summon him at agro range of the baddies. You can get yer agro bubble right on the edge of one without it the enemy attacking immeadiately.

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosyfiep View Post
have yet to get ANY from the gifts---lots of tonics and candy canes.....so yeah back to waiting for them as drops.
I'm in the same boat...

opened 300 gifts, have received 10 shards

Coast

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

cool, i'll try to get 3000presents/day :d:d gonne need a partner to duo tho

sportacus

sportacus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

Burninating the countryside

D/

Am I the only one who can't win at SD? I've never tried it before now but I'm 0-5 and I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.

Lordshonsu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

W/

make sure u bring a necro hero. disable snow down the shirt skill then flag hero behind the captain of opposing team. ull want to activate 6-7 about 3 seconds after the opposing team turns red. run to the other side and start spamming snowballs make sure u hit ur heros snowcone if it hasnt already. then just keep spamming snowball. if u start getting attacked run to the snow area infront of eye of the north town

Cool Name

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

Shadowed Ones

E/A

Also, accurate positioning helps with the necro hero. You should be able to position him behind and to the captain's left a little bit (of the opposing team). Kind of in the center of a pentagon of their team. This way you get 5 people with holiday blues.

It took me a surprisingly long time to figure out the best position, so I drew it:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6448/gw013s.jpg

The red lines show you the 5 you are hoping to catch with holiday blues, and how you want to try position the hero roughly in the centre of them. The yellow shows the line straight from spawn. That is, when you spawn you can simply turn straight around (double tap s) and run straight to the enemy, and you will be in the middle between enemies 1 and 2, as shown on the picture. I tend to try and make the line joining me and players 1 and 2 completely straight, so you can see I'm slightly forward in the picture.

Seems like an unnecessarily long explanation, but I know I'd have preferred to have someone tell me this.

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Better position: Just behind Roland. This way you'll also hit 5 people (maybe 6, haven't checked), but the major upside: you hit both Roland and Carlisle, both of the enemy rangers (easily the most dangerous foes).

Cool Name

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

Shadowed Ones

E/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzjudz View Post
Better position: Just behind Roland. This way you'll also hit 5 people (maybe 6, haven't checked), but the major upside: you hit both Roland and Carlisle, both of the enemy rangers (easily the most dangerous foes).
Ah, I've been trying this. I noticed they both used flurry so I was just getting them as soon as I could, but couldn't manage to hit enough people.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pthoms T View Post
Also, accurate positioning helps with the necro hero. You should be able to position him behind and to the captain's left a little bit (of the opposing team). Kind of in the center of a pentagon of their team. This way you get 5 people with holiday blues.

It took me a surprisingly long time to figure out the best position, so I drew it:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6448/gw013s.jpg

The red lines show you the 5 you are hoping to catch with holiday blues, and how you want to try position the hero roughly in the centre of them. The yellow shows the line straight from spawn. That is, when you spawn you can simply turn straight around (double tap s) and run straight to the enemy, and you will be in the middle between enemies 1 and 2, as shown on the picture. I tend to try and make the line joining me and players 1 and 2 completely straight, so you can see I'm slightly forward in the picture.

Seems like an unnecessarily long explanation, but I know I'd have preferred to have someone tell me this.
This is great advice; I'll be sure to try it once/if my ping gets back to three digits. Do you mind if I post this on my website? It's quicker for guildies to go there than this forum post. I'll give you full credit, of course.

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Originally Posted by sportacus View Post
Am I the only one who can't win at SD? I've never tried it before now but I'm 0-5 and I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong.
The Ranger/Necro combo is probably the best, though I've been using Rit/Ranger (with Pyre as the hero due to disease) with fair results. The trick is to bunch up your foes by placing a Jack Frost behind the enemy captain before they turn red. You'll have to micromanage Pyre, though, since hero AI doesn't like to "stick" in this quest.

Cool Name

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

Shadowed Ones

E/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Makai- View Post
This is great advice; I'll be sure to try it once/if my ping gets back to three digits. Do you mind if I post this on my website? It's quicker for guildies to go there than this forum post. I'll give you full credit, of course.
Yeah you can post it. But, as mentioned, over by the two rangers might be better. But I've had consitent success with both methods so far, and I haven't noticed much difference. Only times it is slower/I fail is when the hero moves straight away, and they don't ball.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

Thanks ANET for making SDF (Snowball Dom. Farm) a piece of cake!
Also thanks for making PP super cheap now!

I been doing over 75+ runs with 2 accounts on 2 screens (with GWML). I been using Ranger/Necro combo and the runs are like only 1 minute or less. Since i'm doing this on 2 accounts, I get x2 rewards.

My Guide:

Anyways I recommend the necro getting behind Roland and wait till they are hostile. Then Blues. Then like 1-2 seconds later, Snow Fort. Then when SF is about to end, hit Snowcone. Have your ranger far away as possible on the right side. If they see you, they may go for you ending the farm. The group who was attacking you should ball up with Staci. Then have your ranger far away shooting Ice. They should go down in seconds.

However using this strategy I have found these problems randomly:
1. Sometimes they won't ball up and then your team will go down quickly ending the farm. I have no idea why this is. I'm guessing its either your ranger is targeting them or the necro didn't ball them up right.
2. Sometimes they will just spread and then you can't shoot Ice at them. No idea for this either.

Heres a screenshot of the correct ball:


It wasn't my best ball but its fine for the condition.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Braxton619 View Post

I been doing over 75+ runs with 2 accounts on 2 screens (with GWML).
Why...didn't I think of this sooner? You, sir, are my hero.

Valerius

Valerius

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Makai- View Post
Why...didn't I think of this sooner? You, sir, are my hero.
I've been doing the same too, it's really easy since you use your necro first, go 6, 7, 8 then switch screens over to your ranger for the easy kills.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valerius View Post
I've been doing the same too, it's really easy since you use your necro first, go 6, 7, 8 then switch screens over to your ranger for the easy kills.
Sadly, I can't do that at the moment (currently waiting for a ram boost in the mail), but minimizing the second account window has worked well so far.

sportacus

sportacus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

Burninating the countryside

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So if I don't have a Ranger or Rit am I screwed? or am I just that bad? I tried with my elementalist but I can't seem to do it.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportacus View Post
So if I don't have a Ranger or Rit am I screwed? or am I just that bad? I tried with my elementalist but I can't seem to do it.
You aren't necessarily "screwed". Wiki has guides of more than just R/N.

However IMO Ranger/Necro is less hassle and quicker than all the other ones. Also its the most safest.

novawhiz

novawhiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

A/

I dont get how you get them bunched up so nicely.

My nec gets obliterated while in fort after a few seconds and then Allies just run in and muck everything up.

How do you get them so nicely pancake stacked?

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Originally Posted by sportacus View Post
So if I don't have a Ranger or Rit am I screwed? or am I just that bad? I tried with my elementalist but I can't seem to do it.
I tried doing it today with my sin then ele then monk. It was very frustrating and not worth it. Of course, the 2 proffessions i never made were ranger + rit, but i decided this was an excuse to finally make ranger and it only took /age 2 hours to get to Snowball Dominance with olias, so i would just make a ranger. Its worth it in the long run. Much safer/faster/easier runs

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by novawhiz View Post
I dont get how you get them bunched up so nicely.

My nec gets obliterated while in fort after a few seconds and then Allies just run in and muck everything up.

How do you get them so nicely pancake stacked?
It's hard to explain but for some reason Roland's group "likes" to group with Staci. I have no idea why.

Just POS yourself behind Roland, 6-7-8 and maybe the right side will join the left side.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by novawhiz View Post

How do you get them so nicely pancake stacked?
The trick is all in the timing, it seems. I'd wait 2-3 seconds after the enemies turn red, hit Holiday Blues, wait 1 second (during which they'll use their Forts), then Ice Fort, then Snowcone.

go cubs

go cubs

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

Chicago

[SIR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by -Makai- View Post
Why...didn't I think of this sooner? You, sir, are my hero.
Yeah i as well have been doing this, seems to get me tons of gifts xD

Chasing Squirrels

Chasing Squirrels

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

I've been trying this with my necro hero while i am a mesmer since thats my main and i want to max ebon rank. Anyway i got the run down to 2minutes this way only problem is sometimes when i flag my hero she constantly runs around like a headless chicken and i have her on don't attack and i manually use spells 6,7,8.

Anyone have an idea why she runs around while flagged?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Using "don't attack" is going to cause more trouble than anything. Attack is far preferable. Just disable snow down the shirt (along with most skills you aren't using, but keep basic snowball avaliable so they spam that instead of running.)

Hobbs

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chasing Squirrels View Post
Anyone have an idea why she runs around while flagged?
Are you using the "All" flag rather that the "1" flag?

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

The update that made flagged heroes run around like headless chickens happend a long time ago, though I have to say it does seem particularly bad in this quest, both party flag and individual flag, makes no difference.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

UPDATE:

I found this spot the best spot. Do not go behind Roland because it will make the run worse. Here's the spot:


Also to those who are doing it with a hero, why not just get a PUG or GWML?

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

if you don't have a 2nd account or a friend online 24/7, I just uploaded a "how to use necro hero correctly" video.
Best to just let hero die because it will ball enemies better than letting it live. Only effective way to ball while alive is if you have human team-mate.

Laraja

Laraja

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2007

Somewhere over the rainbow

Descendents of Honor

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Very awesome.

I like that they've done something similiar with presents as they did with ToT bags. Playing something fun like Snowball Dominance is perfect instead of endless farming. My guildmates and I are having a great time.

The people who don't like it are those who like to charge exorbitant prices for stacks of gifts. Now it's easy for everyone to enjoy gifts,and really that's the way it should be.

Chasing Squirrels

Chasing Squirrels

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobbs View Post
Are you using the "All" flag rather that the "1" flag?
Yup I use flag 1 for hero 1. Not the one which moves all heroes and hench. Its annoying cause after i use holiday blues and i activate snow fort she doesn't stand still