So the new hero is...

At first I was a bit "meh" about having Thackery as a hero. Not that I don't like him as a character, but I was somewhat hoping for another non-human member. But now that I look at his character design, it's really nice having a hero with Ebon Vanguard garb. A lot of the heroes I take with me use armor designs made by Kekai that seem to normally have a red-tone to them. To me, the Vanguard getup is a nice little break in that.

As for the usefulness of another Para hero; I pretty much VQ'ed all three continents with Morgahn in my group. That being said, an additional Para is a welcomed addition to the team and definitely has some uses.

I think the next important question regarding Thackery is: Which armor remnant will he be using or will he even get access to another armor set?

I laughed ;]

I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY! Thackery turned para because in hi s wedding vows he said hed stand by Gwen until his last arrow was shot.


While we are at could we get a marriage between Cynn and Mhenlo i mean not a big event or something but just say oh that their married finally

Best "He's marrying a shrew!" joke goes to you.

Hurry up and give us 7 heroes......new heroes are waste of time...

I'm at least hoping to see some references to the generic "hero of the Flameseeker Prophecies". Although I wouldn't expect the plot to cater to specifics too much, it would have been cool to have an option when creating a character to define whether that character's lineage is part of that hero's line. I know a lot of people are planning, conceptually, on having their new character be a 'descendant' of their GW1 main, so some in-game recognition of that would be awesome.

Anyway, I almost never have paragons in my team builds for PvE so . . . ;_; I've yet to play through the wedding myself though so I guess I'll see for myself this evening.

ANet gave us this troll hero as wintersday gift, that's the sad fact. 3 paras wouldn't be useful even if we had 12man parties at explorable areas.

Care to explain what the BML theory? I don't get it.

Once again i am going to complain ( however , looking at what we got , hard to not...) : i thought the new hero would be original and something unique. What's original and unique in having a new paragon hero ? Even , i remember many people saying " it will be thackeray as ranger hero " and they said it wouldn't be. WTF seriously....

Besides , what's the usefulness in having a 3rd paragon hero ????? really, they show their lazyness once again , that's very sad....

BML=Blue Mace Lady.
It's a concept art of a solider profession, which consists of a blue lady holding a mace.. The theory is that it will be a support profession similar to GW's paragons and that Logan will be of that profession.

As for a 3rd paragon hero, it should be interesting on my para but I doubt I'll use him on any other character.

gay very gay what a let down

This is exactly what the community expected. My only disappointment is that Keiran isn't wearing the epic pony tail.

Keiran will probably take his place as my 7th hero when that fateful day arrives.

just look at this page, scroll all the way down on this page till you are by the red colum,
look at eye of the north and then the one after last.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hayda

is this just a foult or is the meaning of this real?

Dunno what to do with 3 paragon without PVE skills like "SY!" and Spear of Fury. I guess:

1 Command with GFTE + "SYG!" + "Fallback!"
1 Spear with Defensive anthem, Anthem of envy, "Fallback!"
1 crappy Motigon with Song of purification, Ballad of Restoration OR P/W with "Watch Yourself!" (nerfed due to armor stacking cap and the limit to 10 attacks) + Shields Up + "To the Limit!"+FGJ!

I guess paragons would be fake warriors (80+10+16 armor + 24 from "SYG!") for Hard Mode, since Hero AI sucks for melee. If hexbreaker aria didn't take 2 seconds to cast and 8 adrenaline you could probably run a Restor rit + Paragon instead of a monk (when heroing) if you bring 2-3 copies of PwK (and expel hexes). The only spammy Motivation shout is the power is yours, which is elite and only gives 1 energy regen (At 8+ motivation). It also doesn't scale at all. So the only real use is to mass trigger Finale of restoration (which is expensive due to only getting 1 energy back from Leadership) along with a second paragon that has GFTE (with FGJ! usage since "The Power is Yours" is elite so no Focused Anger.).

The problem is if you want to run Orders or anything (barbs, weaken armor, etc.)to buff ranged (and you're not a necro), you need to give up one paragon anyway. I will try 3 paragons on my necro and get back to you...

3 Mesmers is better:
Domination (Panic, PBlock, Esurge, VoR, etc.)
Illusion (Ineptitude, Fevered Dreams,etc.)
FC (Psychic Instability + secondary skills, though no PI with panic.) / Tease

Panic + Ineptitude is rather nice when you run caster heavy.

The funny part is Keiran gave up his arrows (Ranger) to be another unwanted hero profession. It would have been nice if he was default set to Command (Find their Weakness!).

If you really want to go P/R just run Antidote signet. There's nothing else (besides maybe Healing Spring) that is party support. At least his default skills have 3 motivation skills worth using. I have no idea why they put Res signet over Signet of Return, he has 12 Leadership by default.

I think I am going to spec him as P/W with "Coward!"/Stunning Strike, FGJ!, and high spearmastery since it fits his Imba-Ranger theme.

I'm not disappointed with the new hero being Keiran or the fact that he's a paragon. I've been having a look at whether P/R has any good skill bars (volley or barrage fuelling gfte, etc.).....I just wish the bow he came with had the same skin as the 'useless' bow we had to use to enter the mini-missions. I thought that they would do something like adding Keiran to the Norn Tourney, and if you defeat him with the bow in your inventory, he would swap it for upgradeable version (similar to Zehtuka and his horn).

@ Lifeinfusion: While you are absolutely correct that 1 paragon is pretty useless without PvE skill, when you add several together, they get much better. Being able to trigger finales and maintain multiple refrains on all of the party members is pretty impressive, and this makes skills like burning refrain, finale of restoration, finale of purification, mending refrain, etc. a lot better. I already use one paragon as a command hero with Anthem of Fury and the other as a motivation hero with Song of Restoration or Song of Purification (depending on the area), so third paragon will probably also be dedicated to command, as my Hayda already has all the motivation skills I want but Morgahn didn't have enough room for all the useful command skills. What is unfortunate to me is that there arn't any (not any at all...) useful command elites in PvE. Its pretty bad when I have to go strait to the leadership or spear mastery lines to find a moderately useful elite for a command hero.

As for having another mesmer hero... well I sure prefer having a 3rd paragon hero. A lot of mesmer skills have anti-synergy with each other, and since most people run Panic on mesmers anyway, really the only thing you can run that doesn't have anti-synergy is dps builds like ineptitude or energy surge. Multiple paragons synergize much better with each other than multiple mesmers do.

I still don't quite understand all this whining. I mean i would have expected it if we got an assassin hero... but now I really am curious. Would you guys who are whining have whined no matter what the hero was as long as he wasn't a rit or necro (or possible mesmer)?

Some of us like to have a variety of Heroes of each profession to choose from so that we're not stuck looking at the same few over and over and over and over. It doesn't always have to be about making mono-profession Hero teams for those who can't think beyond the numbers and game mechanics.

Yes, they would have. For them, anything that doesn't contribute to the most optimal team build is just a waste of time and resources.

"Keiran's default weapon uses the same skin as the Rotwing Recurve Bow obtained from Rotscale, implying that he slays Rotscale on his journey in the Hearts of the North (which is possible in the missions)."

GG to who explained this on wiki. Nice touch with it, ArenaNet! It's always the little things...

I understand some people's disappointment in the choice of professions for Thackeray when it comes to lore. Why can Keiran change his profession, but we can't and we are the heroes of every continent of Tyria? But as for his profession when it comes to game play, people are being really short sighted. 3 paragon heroes once we have the opportunity to have 7 total in our party is insanely awesome. Mix in what is happening with Dervishes and the fact that we have 3 of those as well and you will have some pretty crazy builds that will be floating around on pvx soon enough I expect apologies to ANet once you are able to see some of these builds in action. Who needs healers with 3 Dervishes/3 Paragons + Any other class and your character when 7 hero teams are available?

Yes , i understand it's fun to test 3 paragon teams on short run , but honestly , how many people will use it ? It will just turn into Mox #2. Even people who enjoy it will probably let it alone on long term after they tested few things..

It would have been better to introduce quests involving Keiran as hero maybe ... but well , the reason there is none is mentionned in previous post ...