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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart
how does one even start the whole hearts of the north deal anyways?
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So the new hero is...
AtlaWolffriend
Hanok Odbrook
I noticed, however, that they've screwed up the HotN Winterday chain, though. They removed "Wintersday Cheer" because they added "A Good Deed" (which doesn't really make sense, why not just let us choose which one we want to do. I would rather follow the HotN stuff without having to complete the Vanguard leg first). But once I completed "Snowball Dominance" on a couple of characters who have not witnessed any of the Gwen/Kieran Wik/HotN stuff, that particular part of the chain is now shows as complete and they witnessed the Picnic dialogue. So I am assuming that none of my characters can complete SD if I want to also have them complete AGD.
Hanok
Hanok
Necromas
Bah, I don't think I'll ever want to have a 3 para hero team, it makes no sense in the story, and well I was hoping they'd gives something interesting like how Razah was initially going to have a selectable profession.
ricocheting
People would complain "another useless hero" about pretty much anything except another necro. and if it actually would have been a necro hero, then people would be complaining that gw has no soul and only caters to people who can use a cookie cutter hero team build.
Personally I'm glad it's a para hero. it's a profession we only had 2 of (which seems an obvious requirement for the profession we were going to get) and it synergizes fairly well the more you have in the party. come 7-hero parties, we could see some really good builds.
As for the hero being Keiran, what did you expect? I know too many people like to call Gwen "harpy" (or worse) but it would have sucked hooking them up then essentially just abandoning half the pair. This section of Guilwars Beyond was called "Hearts of the North" eg; bringing closure+happiness to Gwen and prepping the story for GW2.
Now, for combining the two and turning Keiran into a para. that is a little weird, but it doesn't bother me near as much as it apparently bothers some people. It would have been nice to have a little more story for that (afaik the only nod to it is Aiden's reaction at the wedding). but (a) we don't know what they need for the story for GW2 and (b) I'll happily suspend my belief for a few mins and take a 3rd para over a 4th ranger hero any day.
Despite all the complainers, I'm happy. Anet did well on this in my book (story, profession, and hero-wise).
Personally I'm glad it's a para hero. it's a profession we only had 2 of (which seems an obvious requirement for the profession we were going to get) and it synergizes fairly well the more you have in the party. come 7-hero parties, we could see some really good builds.
As for the hero being Keiran, what did you expect? I know too many people like to call Gwen "harpy" (or worse) but it would have sucked hooking them up then essentially just abandoning half the pair. This section of Guilwars Beyond was called "Hearts of the North" eg; bringing closure+happiness to Gwen and prepping the story for GW2.
Now, for combining the two and turning Keiran into a para. that is a little weird, but it doesn't bother me near as much as it apparently bothers some people. It would have been nice to have a little more story for that (afaik the only nod to it is Aiden's reaction at the wedding). but (a) we don't know what they need for the story for GW2 and (b) I'll happily suspend my belief for a few mins and take a 3rd para over a 4th ranger hero any day.
Despite all the complainers, I'm happy. Anet did well on this in my book (story, profession, and hero-wise).
AngelWJedi
question is how long do i have to get keiran? is it only during xmas? or do i have forever to get it?
RedDog91
I'm uncomfortable bringing Gwen and Keiran in my party at the same time.
I fear that if I flag them behind that when I come back later that they'll be getting busy.
I fear that if I flag them behind that when I come back later that they'll be getting busy.
sixdartbart
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
question is how long do i have to get keiran? is it only during xmas? or do i have forever to get it?
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zara
3rd paragon, love it.
I use 2 para heroes and a mes hero all the time anyways. A third is nice, but it isnt like I am going to use anything else anyways, so it really didn't matter what it was.
I use 2 para heroes and a mes hero all the time anyways. A third is nice, but it isnt like I am going to use anything else anyways, so it really didn't matter what it was.
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by ajicorath
Give him a bow. Channel points in to Leadership, Command and Marks.
Soldier's Fury Volley Savage Shot SYG! GftE! FB! Anthem of Envy res sig That's what I use. He looks so awesome when he casts a spell, lands on the ground and lets off Volley! |
And I'd give him a shortbow too so he's firing faster and in earshot of your melee.
noughtyous
I kinda like Keiran as a Paragon hench, or perhaps I just prefer the ebon vanguard armor to the average paragon armor.... Anyways I would have hated it if Keiran was ranger #4
Scary
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Originally Posted by ajicorath Give him a bow. Channel points in to Leadership, Command and Marks. Soldier's Fury Volley Savage Shot SYG! GftE! FB! Anthem of Envy res sig That's what I use. He looks so awesome when he casts a spell, lands on the ground and lets off Volley! |
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
How in the hell did you get my build?
And I'd give him a shortbow too so he's firing faster and in earshot of your melee. |
So I can imagine that it wil be fun on a Para to.. Wel,,, more stuff to trie
hopefully soon with 7..
Ruby Lightheart
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
Am I the only person confused why he starts off with a bow and happens to be a Paragon?
Is ANet trying to tell me "Hey, ignore Spear Mastery when making up a build for Keiran. He wont need it."? |
cosyfiep
yeah I made him a p/r as well....I am just glad we didnt get another warrior or sin (neither class I use for heroes)....or a totally useless dervish (3 is plenty already).....so another paragon...meh, he will get to hang out with goren and nogru.
Ruby Lightheart
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Originally Posted by Scary
I almost have never tried a pargon hero in my team, But a hero with second prof ranger using a bow is something I do a lot its great on a Rt, Ne and Ele.
So I can imagine that it wil be fun on a Para to.. Wel,,, more stuff to trie hopefully soon with 7.. |
I did find one fun team build..
Kieran Same build as above ( only i used troll ungent insteadof rezz)
Pyre with Barrage , Sav Shot, Disrupting Shot, PTS, rezz or subsitute buring arrow for barrage and add volley
Any rit using Splinter Weapon
weird build but was fun to see all those arrows hit and spliter.
MisterB
John Stumme just wrote that it will be possible to add Keiran to the HoM at some point.
dagrdagaz
Was looking up some info bout Thackery when i noticed on its wiki page its the new Hero, as a Paragon.
All i could think was, WTF
Havent started Hearts of the North yet, but i will say this;
I NOW have lost total interest in doing it, if Thackery as a Paragon Hero is the reward.
Tnx Anet (not).
Hmm, then again, flagging him into a lava pool and getting him killed, and again and again and again, etc....
All i could think was, WTF
Havent started Hearts of the North yet, but i will say this;
I NOW have lost total interest in doing it, if Thackery as a Paragon Hero is the reward.
Tnx Anet (not).
Hmm, then again, flagging him into a lava pool and getting him killed, and again and again and again, etc....
remicks
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Originally Posted by WhiteAsIce
Exactly. ANet said that the new hero is what you wouldn't expect. No one expects a Sylvari.
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HeavyTank
holy geez people. he was added for FREE!
you didn't pay for it.
so with that out of the way
Good Job Arena Net. thanks for more freebies!
you didn't pay for it.
so with that out of the way
Good Job Arena Net. thanks for more freebies!
Lanier
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Originally Posted by HeavyTank
holy geez people. he was added for FREE!
you didn't pay for it. so with that out of the way Good Job Arena Net. thanks for more freebies! |
kyoshirou
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Originally Posted by HeavyTank
holy geez people. he was added for FREE!
you didn't pay for it. so with that out of the way Good Job Arena Net. thanks for more freebies! |
we worked hard to get him too >.<
it was a fun n enjoyable quest-line.
ty Anet
Happy Holidays
ruk1a
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Originally Posted by Polgara Val
Cant argue with that, I felt he gave up to easily to get his well....you know what I mean.
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dagrdagaz
If someone wants to give me a bag of garbage for free, i rather not take it...
BUT its .... for FREE !!!
Oh well, one can't please evryone right.
Hope i like the Canthan part of GW Beyond better (unless finishing the Gwen/Thackery part is required).
BUT its .... for FREE !!!
Oh well, one can't please evryone right.
Hope i like the Canthan part of GW Beyond better (unless finishing the Gwen/Thackery part is required).
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz
Hope i like the Canthan part of GW Beyond better (unless finishing the Gwen/Thackery part is required).
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Lortext
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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz
If someone wants to give me a bag of garbage for free, i rather not take it...
BUT its .... for FREE !!! Oh well, one can't please evryone right. Hope i like the Canthan part of GW Beyond better (unless finishing the Gwen/Thackery part is required). |
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by Lanier
I think you will find that people on this forum will find any excuse to whine about anything anet does to the game.
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Daesu
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Originally Posted by dagrdagaz
If someone wants to give me a bag of garbage for free, i rather not take it...
BUT its .... for FREE !!! Oh well, one can't please evryone right. Hope i like the Canthan part of GW Beyond better (unless finishing the Gwen/Thackery part is required). |
Having Razah as a second rit, was a lot easier and more effective as hero than Thackeray is.
Lishy
I still don't see what's wrong with Thackery. Once 7 heroes roles in we will have an awesome addition to the team roster!
Missing HB
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Agreed. Add something that is useful and original, and people whine because it's not just more of what they already use.
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Fact is that except the War in Kryta stuff which was amazingly good , all the rest we had for a year and half , especially heart of the north deserved some whine in my opinion...
Gift3d
new para hero, alright. probably won't use him. i'm gonna go ahead and take the initiative to be the only person in this thread who isn't a whiny, jaded sissy.
reaper with no name
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Originally Posted by Lanier
I think you will find that people on this forum will find any excuse to whine about anything anet does to the game.
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Personally, I don't really care either way, because while it is technically a waste of resources, it would have made no sense story-wise for Keiran and Gwen to have gotten married, only to have the two be separated anyway due to the fact that Gwen is adventuring with us and Keiran is not. The most logical way to fix this was for Keiran to join the player.
Still Number One
I don't understand how there were people out there who didn't think it would be Thackeray as a Paragon. The entire questline was about Thackeray growing as a leader and then he even had some Paragon skills in the last mission. It was insanely obvious and people on this forum even pointed it out.
And the complaining is ridiculous. For one he isn't totally useless. In fact I've already abused the Paragon motivation line a few times with him, when running certain dungeon, like Frostmaw's. And secondly he wasn't hard to get at all. So it was a very low cost to get a low benefit. All it cost you to get him was roughly an hour of your time, and you get a hero that you could use (again he currently fills some niche roles and could be more useful with 7 hero parties) until you finish playing guild wars. Seems to me that the benefit of having him exceeds the costs of getting him.
And the complaining is ridiculous. For one he isn't totally useless. In fact I've already abused the Paragon motivation line a few times with him, when running certain dungeon, like Frostmaw's. And secondly he wasn't hard to get at all. So it was a very low cost to get a low benefit. All it cost you to get him was roughly an hour of your time, and you get a hero that you could use (again he currently fills some niche roles and could be more useful with 7 hero parties) until you finish playing guild wars. Seems to me that the benefit of having him exceeds the costs of getting him.
Daesu
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Originally Posted by Still Number One
And the complaining is ridiculous. For one he isn't totally useless. In fact I've already abused the Paragon motivation line a few times with him, when running certain dungeon, like Frostmaw's. And secondly he wasn't hard to get at all. So it was a very low cost to get a low benefit. All it cost you to get him was roughly an hour of your time, and you get a hero that you could use (again he currently fills some niche roles and could be more useful with 7 hero parties) until you finish playing guild wars. Seems to me that the benefit of having him exceeds the costs of getting him.
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For the current 3-heroes limit, his use as the third paragon hero is very limited because that means you would have all 3 paragons and no MM or rit in your party. For the who-knows-when-future 7 heroes setup, there may be a use for a 3-paragon setup, but most of the useful 7-heroes builds that people are envisioning now do not include them: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...t10455707.html
Lastly, we can hope for a surprise Paragon update to improve their skills and DPS, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
You believe just adding a 3rd paragon hero is useful and original ?
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BenjZee
Hey alot of the complainers are the ones that fit nito one build and come accustomed to it, never to eperiement with others as they believe they have the winning formula. Admittedly I personaly do use versions of Sabway and rarely use other heroes but i wont complain at the oppetunity of a 3 paragon team.
Those hates who are only using a 3 necro team would've complained whatever we were given. Originally i didn't like Thackeray at all but he did grow on me, then when the idea of him becoming paragon, i thought why on earth would they do that to him. When the final quests were added, i wasn't that shocked though and he does act a level of character to the team
Those hates who are only using a 3 necro team would've complained whatever we were given. Originally i didn't like Thackeray at all but he did grow on me, then when the idea of him becoming paragon, i thought why on earth would they do that to him. When the final quests were added, i wasn't that shocked though and he does act a level of character to the team
Daesu
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Originally Posted by BenjZee
Hey alot of the complainers are the ones that fit nito one build and come accustomed to it, never to eperiement with others as they believe they have the winning formula. Admittedly I personaly do use versions of Sabway and rarely use other heroes but i wont complain at the oppetunity of a 3 paragon team.
Those hates who are only using a 3 necro team would've complained whatever we were given. Originally i didn't like Thackeray at all but he did grow on me, then when the idea of him becoming paragon, i thought why on earth would they do that to him. When the final quests were added, i wasn't that shocked though and he does act a level of character to the team |
That said, I have gotten Thackeray on all my 16 pve characters, in case there is a use for him when 7-heroes update happens, even though it was a pain.
Gennadios
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Originally Posted by reaper with no name
Remember that quest in Kaineng City where you go around giving luxury mirrors to the peasants and they complain about it because mirrors are the last thing starving people need? Same concept here. When Anet gives us stuff we do not want or need, they are wasting resources that could (should) have been spent on giving us things we do want or need.
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As far as I'm concened, ANet could have spent the time it took making Thackaray a Hero on something far worse, like adding -20 armor penalties to even more Paragon elite skills. Didn't particularly need him, but it got me playing again for a few hours.
Lortext
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Originally Posted by Daesu
The question is, do you need a third paragon hero?
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Fay Vert
I don't know what the debate is, sure, Keran being hte new hero as a paragon was a big wtf lol, but they aren't going to remove him and they aren't going to change his profession. What do you want? A fourth ranger hero???
A11Eur0
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
You believe just adding a 3rd paragon hero is useful and original ? I probably don't understand those words the same way then... When they talked about new hero , i thought it wouldn't be a classic profession or so....
Fact is that except the War in Kryta stuff which was amazingly good , all the rest we had for a year and half , especially heart of the north deserved some whine in my opinion... |
Still Number One
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Originally Posted by Daesu
The question is, do you need a third paragon hero?
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The whole point of the new content is not to make the game easier to beat or to give everyone cool flashy rewards for GW1. It is to bridge the story gap between GW1 and GW2. Bringing Gwen and Thackeray together does just that.
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by Still Number One
It is to bridge the story gap between GW1 and GW2. Bringing Gwen and Thackeray together does just that.
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