So the new hero is...

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

I think I'll start using him more as a replacement for my ranger heroes...with soldier's fury and a few shouts, add that on to volley and some interrupts and it's a win combo, and he doesn't look like a retard using the bow.

domaspiragas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2010

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

D/E

I wonder if they're keep adding new heroes until there are 3 of each. Like let's say the Canthan GW:B provides a new Rit or Sin?

Boogz

Boogz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Variable Speed Farmers[VsF]

Mo/

any paraway team worth running? I think para players will be very happy with improved racway, otherwise keiran won't be useful for me :P

now, to all of us be happy, give us an extra mesmer and rit (you can kill zenmai and anton in the process, we won't miss them)

Del

Del

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2009

In a van, down by the river.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.

R/

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Originally Posted by Dratyan View Post
So, is bringing both Gwen and Thackeray in the party a good idea? I'd rather not get involved in a couple's arguing...
And being married to Gwen, domestic abuse is inevitable.

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

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Originally Posted by ChrisCo View Post
You can get him after the wedding, he should be on his honeymoon but he joins you ... kinda weird
Gwen wants to be alone on her honeymoon! Fits.

Uriel_Wolfblood

Uriel_Wolfblood

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2009

The House of Wolfblood

R/

I'll take this over a sin any day

carlos13

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2010

W/

another paragon.. maybe 3 paragons will be useful when the paragon update comes in 2012

Xiaquin

Xiaquin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2010

[aRIN]

R/

I was surprised it was Keiran after all, and will not read anymore content speculation. It's such a buzz-kill, especially when I think some of it is leaked.

AngelWJedi

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

didnt someone say that it wasnt going to be keiran or miku? o0

Refar

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2009

The Text from "The Wedding" Quest also says

Reward:
You join Keiran Thackeray's Party.

Premium Unleaded

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelWJedi View Post
didnt someone say that it wasnt going to be keiran or miku? o0
IIRC, said it was not going to be a ranger or an assassin. Luckly for him, we cannot see one's grinning trollface when typing something out and posting it on the internet.

awry

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Refar View Post
The Text from "The Wedding" Quest also says

Reward:
You join Keiran Thackeray's Party.

I raged. I raged hard and I almost considered leaving him to his dumb wedding right then. I brought bip to the wedding and sac'd myself to death just for kicks.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

So pretty much the reward for that excruciating wedding catering quest is 1k and Thakeray?

Not really worth it.

I was hoping to at least get two more medals for an even 10 in the quest line.

jayson

jayson

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Don't really like the new hero. And not fond of him changing to a paragon either. I went through tons of battles and participated in every major event in GW. So because I'm not a paragon, I can't be a leader? Why can't a ranger be a leader?

And as an aside, I was hoping for a quetzal, tengu or avicara hero. oh well...

Owik Gall

Owik Gall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guardians of the Light

W/Mo

Well, there was a team build that involved Paras spamming party wide burn inflicts. Only reason it didn't work at the time was just one, or two paras instead of three. I wonder how that will fair now that we have a third.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

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Originally Posted by jayson View Post
Don't really like the new hero. And not fond of him changing to a paragon either. I went through tons of battles and participated in every major event in GW. So because I'm not a paragon, I can't be a leader? Why can't a ranger be a leader?

And as an aside, I was hoping for a quetzal, tengu or avicara hero. oh well...
You're reading too much into it...then again only Paragons have a LEADERSHIP attribute.

You don't need to be a paragon to be a leader, but being a paragon makes you one. That's how it is.

Moiax

Moiax

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Pink Animal Clan

E/

Gewn and Keiran telling her mom the good news:

Zodiac Meteor

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

He went from 20 expertise to 6 leadership... why?!!!

I love that the mom says, "you never visit enough."

I'm not sure if she is saying go die please or go die fast please.

Frostblatt

Frostblatt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

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Originally Posted by awry View Post
I raged. I raged hard and I almost considered leaving him to his dumb wedding right then. I brought bip to the wedding and sac'd myself to death just for kicks.
I can't even begin to understand HOW is it that the heroes who defeated The Undead Lich and stopped the Titan invasion of Tyria. The heroes who defeated Shiro Tagachi (and stopped a great plague while at it). The Heroes who defeated a God that once had more power than two other gods combined and stopped the Torment from pouring into Tyria; and the Heroes who find Queen Salma, save her and end up killing two White Mantle confessors and several Mursaat leaders, end up joining the party of a guy who has killed a bunch of charr and Danthor the Adamant who probably wasn't even a Justicar.

I fear that in Guild Wars 2 Gwen and Thackeray are going to be considered (lore-wise) greater heroes than those depicted at the Hall of Monuments.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by Frostblatt View Post
I fear that in Guild Wars 2 Gwen and Thackeray are going to be considered (lore-wise) greater heroes than those depicted at the Hall of Monuments.
That's a given and has nothing to do with how GW1 story has played out. The HoM hero is different for everyone and undefined; gwen/thackery are fixed characters you can actually tell stories about.

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

well... I for one am extremely happy with another para hero. I already ran my own version of racway anyway (Lanierway ) and having another paragon will be awesome. While I may not run 3 para teams right now, it'll be nice having another paragon with different runes/a build to switch out with the other para heroes depending on the area ill be in... plus, when 8 hero teams come out, ill be running around with all 3 paragons all the time.

Im not really surprised at the negative feedback... since the new hero isn't a rit or a necro and I figured that people would bitch and whine if it weren't one of these two profs.

Marco_vd

Marco_vd

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2010

Belgium | Antwerp

Howling Voids [hv]

W/

Another unuseful hero...

Frostblatt

Frostblatt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
That's a given and has nothing to do with how GW1 story has played out. The HoM hero is different for everyone and undefined; gwen/thackery are fixed characters you can actually tell stories about.
They are indeed important for establishing Ebonhawke and apart from their descendancy, that's probably it.

The fact that the HoM isn't fixed doesn't actually imply that stories can't be told about each different hero. If you click the monument of honor in the HoM the story of your hero will be displayed, and that can have future involvement in GW2 (at least in the personal story), if it doesn't then the Hall is nothing more than a bunch of items and a title for your characters in GW2.

Then again I'm curious on how is it that Anet is going to fit the GW 1 HoM story with the GW2 story (and I personally trust Anet in those terms, but I really dislike the fact that we actually join Thackeray's party and not the other way around).

Deviant Angel

Deviant Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

On a boat!

Homeless.

Mo/

I spy a husband and wife that will never go on adventures together.

Bandwagon

Bandwagon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2010

D/

A new para hero? What is this, I don't even......
Oh well I never really liked Hayda anyway.

On a serious note, I feel the 3rd paragon hero will be more useful when 7 hero parties are released.

BoondockSaint

BoondockSaint

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deviant Angel View Post
I spy a husband and wife that will never go on adventures together.


So true, for now at least. As the poster below you mentioned, having that third paragon may fit into some nice 7 man hero teams.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostblatt View Post
If you click the monument of honor in the HoM the story of your hero will be displayed, and that can have future involvement in GW2 (at least in the personal story), if it doesn't then the Hall is nothing more than a bunch of items and a title for your characters in GW2.
The HoM doesn't even link to specific characters, it links to account-wide accomplishments. What those accomplishments are doesn't even matter as it is simply boiled down into a points tally. That right there tells you they aren't interested in telling stories about what your specific GW1 character did or did not do. You likely won't even see the names of the GW1 characters, let alone anything more specific. Nor are they going to make it a huge part of the personal story when half the players won't even have a GW1 account. Nor is there a reason to re-tell in detail the stories we already experienced first-hand in GW1.

As far as GW2 is concerned the GW1 hero is an unknown. It's different for every player and those differences are unlikely to be significantly imported into GW2. That leaves defined NPCs with a much larger share of the story.

Deviant Angel

Deviant Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

On a boat!

Homeless.

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoondockSaint View Post
So true, for now at least. As the poster below you mentioned, having that third paragon may fit into some nice 7 man hero teams.
The couple of people that think paragons are actually decent may add them after the update, but I won't. There will have to be a major paragon update before I will even think of adding one.

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

So now we only need a Rt, Mesmer, and Sin to have 3 of each hero. I just hope they are added in that order.


OT, like others have said, a third Paragon doesnt help much. But, it is nice to have Thackery as a hero. Four Rangers would have been overkill. It also adds, imo, more lore and character developement to Kieran Thackery. I cant wait to see the fire this puts under the Logan Thackery = BML theory in GW2Guru. And after the Paragon skill update(I dont even want to guess when) 3 Paragons may be useful in a full hero party(but most likely only if your an Imbagon).

macke

macke

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

Serbia-Belgrade

W/

Why do you people always complain... GW1 is gone in a few months.... have fun whit friends on a wintersday and prepare for Dragons!

aeroclown

aeroclown

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Louisiana

E/Mo

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart View Post
You miss a way better/easier example to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragorn and that would have saved you from some dumbass reponse like vvvvv

There are some funnies with the npcs at the wedding

My Fav.... hahahaha
Heh, I have to admit I liked the series associated with cynn and menhlo.

"I don't know which is more fun, watching the little girl I knew get all grown up or seeing how long it takes cynn to light menhlo on fire......"

Frostblatt

Frostblatt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
As far as GW2 is concerned the GW1 hero is an unknown. It's different for every player and those differences are unlikely to be significantly imported into GW2. That leaves defined NPCs with a much larger share of the story.
You are right, however there are examples in GW1 were the hero is mentioned in a generic text or speech. (one example being the inscription of the Goddess of truth's Statue where the character name is 'written').

And that is my point, whatever species you choose in GW2 there is a way you inherit whatever is inside the HoM of your GW1 account, therefore there might be some kind of involvement in each character's personal story. And it doesn't necessarily alter Guild Wars canon or gameplay.

As a side note, the accomplishments you read in the inscription of the Monument of Honor are related to the character who is using the hall, not the whole account, so even if it's displaying account wide accomplishments, if that character hasn't defeated Shiro, it won't say: "Let it be known, near and far, that Cantha's legends pay tribute to...".

Malla13

Malla13

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2009

Angeldustrial Bonsai Muffins [FFS]

N/Me

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Originally Posted by aeroclown View Post
Heh, I have to admit I liked the series associated with cynn and menhlo.

"I don't know which is more fun, watching the little girl I knew get all grown up or seeing how long it takes cynn to light menhlo on fire......"
Yeah that was definitely my favorite quote, but just once I'd like to actually see her set him on fire. They all joke about it, but can you imagine how funny it would actually be?

And I'm putting another vote in the "not using another paragon hero" category, at least not unless I'm running some useless just-for-fun builds or need Keiran's character for a screenshot-spree. XD There's just a lot of other options already available that are much more useful. I'll agree with a few other people and say that it might have potential when 7 heroes rolls around...but we'll see.

Rites

Rites

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2010

Deep in the belly of Texas

R/

In any game out there, the player characters are basically "allies" of the main characters in the storyline. Doesn't matter that it was actually you doing the deeds, being the ally of the main story's hero means that the main hero will always be the one that gets the props.

HoM....... yeah as someone pointed out, its just a points tally that will give you rewards in GW2 (probably similar to /bonus).

Although I must admit I haven't done WiK or the wedding stuff yet, I was looking forward to doing them. Gaining another paragon hero..... not sure what to think since at this time I have yet to use the 2 I have. Although I am open to possibilities..... I'm still trying to figure a good team combo for Anton and Zenmai. (yes I have read the many negative posts about the assassins as heroes, but I am determined to keep trying). Considering that I run either full ranger heroes or Olias/Xandra/Livia combos all the time with my ranger, I wouldn't mind a change of pace.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

I must admit I actually had to go to the wiki and read all the articles before I could believe they really did this...

They took the greatest ranger ever seen in GW... and made him a paragon? Baseline paragon? And then they still give him a bow?

I dunno what to think or do. Does anyone even have a P/R build that works really well?

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by aeroclown View Post
Heh, I have to admit I liked the series associated with cynn and menhlo.

"I don't know which is more fun, watching the little girl I knew get all grown up or seeing how long it takes cynn to light menhlo on fire......"
Honestly, I am way more interested in those two than Gwen and Thackery. I would really like to see it explored more. Watching just thier emotes/positioning in outposts throughout EotN is hilarious and very telling at the same time. Actually, the same can be said of all the henchmen in EotN. Most people probably dont even notice it, but the right ones do. Props to the Anet staff that arranged it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iuris View Post
They took the greatest ranger ever seen in GW... and made him a paragon? Baseline paragon? And then they still give him a bow?

I dunno what to think or do. Does anyone even have a P/R build that works really well?
Well, that was the lore-based "greatest ranger". Not the hero. Lore and actual gameplay need to be seperate for obvious reasons.

The bow is the most perplexing to me. Paragon... with a bow!?!?!? I would rather have the first skin. Not to mention a Longbow(pull says "Hi!") would have been more useful to most professions.

P/R(Bow)build? LOL!!! Have you seen the energy reqs on the good bow/ranger skills?

R/P(Spear)build? Now we can talk. Sad aint it?

dancing gnome

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

House of Wandering Souls

R/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deviant Angel View Post
I spy a husband and wife that will never go on adventures together.
I already brought him and Gwen to the Underworld for a nice little meet the parents and I'm currently doing WiK bounty with him (watching him fight side by side with himself is amusing).

It was interesting watching Gwen cast Flesh of My Flesh on him when he died.

Although I will note I was running him in place of Xandra (who had a hybrid spirits and restoration build) and he was running a motivation build in addition to Alesia and I found the party had a decent amount of difficulty completing content where Xandra in his place would have allowed us to stomp things (and not die due to her healing).

I will still use him after the hero cap is removed next year, but I don't like the current state of paragon skills.

Iuris

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by NerfHerder View Post
P/R(Bow)build? LOL!!! Have you seen the energy reqs on the good bow/ranger skills?

R/P(Spear)build? Now we can talk. Sad aint it?
Yes, I have, that's why I asked for a build for the guy...

SkyFallsInThunder

SkyFallsInThunder

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2010

wtb vs Dragons shields!

Vengeance Of The Night

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by BoondockSaint View Post
"I don't understand why someone would forsake the fine art of being a Ranger to run around yelling at people..." Aidan

"Once when I was still learning the Necromatic arts I used bone minions to act out a wedding. The real thing is so much nicer, though. Especially without the groom's arms falling off." Nola

Seriously the wedding chitchat is really good. Whoever comes up with these should get a raise.
Yeah. For once, GW has some actual good writing into it. Best replies I saw since Pyre's "Some of us are more evil than others".

Also, Kimmes ftw!

Apok

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iuris View Post
I must admit I actually had to go to the wiki and read all the articles before I could believe they really did this...

They took the greatest ranger ever seen in GW... and made him a paragon? Baseline paragon? And then they still give him a bow?

I dunno what to think or do. Does anyone even have a P/R build that works really well?
A shout build with Distracting Shot?