At first I was a bit "meh" about having Thackery as a hero. Not that I don't like him as a character, but I was somewhat hoping for another non-human member. But now that I look at his character design, it's really nice having a hero with Ebon Vanguard garb. A lot of the heroes I take with me use armor designs made by Kekai that seem to normally have a red-tone to them. To me, the Vanguard getup is a nice little break in that.
As for the usefulness of another Para hero; I pretty much VQ'ed all three continents with Morgahn in my group. That being said, an additional Para is a welcomed addition to the team and definitely has some uses.
I think the next important question regarding Thackery is: Which armor remnant will he be using or will he even get access to another armor set?
So the new hero is...
Charlie Dayman
Rifky Rayn
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I can't even begin to understand HOW is it that the heroes who defeated The Undead Lich and stopped the Titan invasion of Tyria. The heroes who defeated Shiro Tagachi (and stopped a great plague while at it). The Heroes who defeated a God that once had more power than two other gods combined and stopped the Torment from pouring into Tyria; and the Heroes who find Queen Salma, save her and end up killing two White Mantle confessors and several Mursaat leaders, end up joining the party of a guy who has killed a bunch of charr and Danthor the Adamant who probably wasn't even a Justicar.
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snowman relic
I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY! Thackery turned para because in hi s wedding vows he said hed stand by Gwen until his last arrow was shot.
While we are at could we get a marriage between Cynn and Mhenlo i mean not a big event or something but just say oh that their married finally
While we are at could we get a marriage between Cynn and Mhenlo i mean not a big event or something but just say oh that their married finally
dancing gnome
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Originally Posted by snowman relic
I NOW UNDERSTAND WHY! Thackery turned para because in hi s wedding vows he said hed stand by Gwen until his last arrow was shot.
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Lest121
Hurry up and give us 7 heroes......new heroes are waste of time...
Faowri
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They are indeed important for establishing Ebonhawke and apart from their descendancy, that's probably it.
The fact that the HoM isn't fixed doesn't actually imply that stories can't be told about each different hero. If you click the monument of honor in the HoM the story of your hero will be displayed, and that can have future involvement in GW2 (at least in the personal story), if it doesn't then the Hall is nothing more than a bunch of items and a title for your characters in GW2. Then again I'm curious on how is it that Anet is going to fit the GW 1 HoM story with the GW2 story (and I personally trust Anet in those terms, but I really dislike the fact that we actually join Thackeray's party and not the other way around). |
Anyway, I almost never have paragons in my team builds for PvE so . . . ;_; I've yet to play through the wedding myself though so I guess I'll see for myself this evening.
Boogz
ANet gave us this troll hero as wintersday gift, that's the sad fact. 3 paras wouldn't be useful even if we had 12man parties at explorable areas.
Steps_Descending
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Originally Posted by NerfHerder
OT, like others have said, a third Paragon doesnt help much. But, it is nice to have Thackery as a hero. Four Rangers would have been overkill. It also adds, imo, more lore and character developement to Kieran Thackery. I cant wait to see the fire this puts under the Logan Thackery = BML theory in GW2Guru. And after the Paragon skill update(I dont even want to guess when) 3 Paragons may be useful in a full hero party(but most likely only if your an Imbagon).
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Missing HB
Once again i am going to complain ( however , looking at what we got , hard to not...) : i thought the new hero would be original and something unique. What's original and unique in having a new paragon hero ? Even , i remember many people saying " it will be thackeray as ranger hero " and they said it wouldn't be. WTF seriously....
Besides , what's the usefulness in having a 3rd paragon hero ????? really, they show their lazyness once again , that's very sad....
Besides , what's the usefulness in having a 3rd paragon hero ????? really, they show their lazyness once again , that's very sad....
McMullen
BML=Blue Mace Lady.
It's a concept art of a solider profession, which consists of a blue lady holding a mace.. The theory is that it will be a support profession similar to GW's paragons and that Logan will be of that profession.
As for a 3rd paragon hero, it should be interesting on my para but I doubt I'll use him on any other character.
It's a concept art of a solider profession, which consists of a blue lady holding a mace.. The theory is that it will be a support profession similar to GW's paragons and that Logan will be of that profession.
As for a 3rd paragon hero, it should be interesting on my para but I doubt I'll use him on any other character.
Bodock
gay very gay what a let down
FengShuiDove
This is exactly what the community expected. My only disappointment is that Keiran isn't wearing the epic pony tail.
Keiran will probably take his place as my 7th hero when that fateful day arrives.
Keiran will probably take his place as my 7th hero when that fateful day arrives.
hahahi20
just look at this page, scroll all the way down on this page till you are by the red colum,
look at eye of the north and then the one after last.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hayda
is this just a foult or is the meaning of this real?
look at eye of the north and then the one after last.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hayda
is this just a foult or is the meaning of this real?
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by Skyy High
Now we have 3 paras. That is useful, since they actually get better the more you have. What do you want, 3 mesmers?
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1 Command with GFTE + "SYG!" + "Fallback!"
1 Spear with Defensive anthem, Anthem of envy, "Fallback!"
1 crappy Motigon with Song of purification, Ballad of Restoration OR P/W with "Watch Yourself!" (nerfed due to armor stacking cap and the limit to 10 attacks) + Shields Up + "To the Limit!"+FGJ!
I guess paragons would be fake warriors (80+10+16 armor + 24 from "SYG!") for Hard Mode, since Hero AI sucks for melee. If hexbreaker aria didn't take 2 seconds to cast and 8 adrenaline you could probably run a Restor rit + Paragon instead of a monk (when heroing) if you bring 2-3 copies of PwK (and expel hexes). The only spammy Motivation shout is the power is yours, which is elite and only gives 1 energy regen (At 8+ motivation). It also doesn't scale at all. So the only real use is to mass trigger Finale of restoration (which is expensive due to only getting 1 energy back from Leadership) along with a second paragon that has GFTE (with FGJ! usage since "The Power is Yours" is elite so no Focused Anger.).
The problem is if you want to run Orders or anything (barbs, weaken armor, etc.)to buff ranged (and you're not a necro), you need to give up one paragon anyway. I will try 3 paragons on my necro and get back to you...
3 Mesmers is better:
Domination (Panic, PBlock, Esurge, VoR, etc.)
Illusion (Ineptitude, Fevered Dreams,etc.)
FC (Psychic Instability + secondary skills, though no PI with panic.) / Tease
Panic + Ineptitude is rather nice when you run caster heavy.
The funny part is Keiran gave up his arrows (Ranger) to be another unwanted hero profession. It would have been nice if he was default set to Command (Find their Weakness!).
If you really want to go P/R just run Antidote signet. There's nothing else (besides maybe Healing Spring) that is party support. At least his default skills have 3 motivation skills worth using. I have no idea why they put Res signet over Signet of Return, he has 12 Leadership by default.
I think I am going to spec him as P/W with "Coward!"/Stunning Strike, FGJ!, and high spearmastery since it fits his Imba-Ranger theme.
Yol
I'm not disappointed with the new hero being Keiran or the fact that he's a paragon. I've been having a look at whether P/R has any good skill bars (volley or barrage fuelling gfte, etc.).....I just wish the bow he came with had the same skin as the 'useless' bow we had to use to enter the mini-missions. I thought that they would do something like adding Keiran to the Norn Tourney, and if you defeat him with the bow in your inventory, he would swap it for upgradeable version (similar to Zehtuka and his horn).
Lanier
@ Lifeinfusion: While you are absolutely correct that 1 paragon is pretty useless without PvE skill, when you add several together, they get much better. Being able to trigger finales and maintain multiple refrains on all of the party members is pretty impressive, and this makes skills like burning refrain, finale of restoration, finale of purification, mending refrain, etc. a lot better. I already use one paragon as a command hero with Anthem of Fury and the other as a motivation hero with Song of Restoration or Song of Purification (depending on the area), so third paragon will probably also be dedicated to command, as my Hayda already has all the motivation skills I want but Morgahn didn't have enough room for all the useful command skills. What is unfortunate to me is that there arn't any (not any at all...) useful command elites in PvE. Its pretty bad when I have to go strait to the leadership or spear mastery lines to find a moderately useful elite for a command hero.
As for having another mesmer hero... well I sure prefer having a 3rd paragon hero. A lot of mesmer skills have anti-synergy with each other, and since most people run Panic on mesmers anyway, really the only thing you can run that doesn't have anti-synergy is dps builds like ineptitude or energy surge. Multiple paragons synergize much better with each other than multiple mesmers do.
I still don't quite understand all this whining. I mean i would have expected it if we got an assassin hero... but now I really am curious. Would you guys who are whining have whined no matter what the hero was as long as he wasn't a rit or necro (or possible mesmer)?
As for having another mesmer hero... well I sure prefer having a 3rd paragon hero. A lot of mesmer skills have anti-synergy with each other, and since most people run Panic on mesmers anyway, really the only thing you can run that doesn't have anti-synergy is dps builds like ineptitude or energy surge. Multiple paragons synergize much better with each other than multiple mesmers do.
I still don't quite understand all this whining. I mean i would have expected it if we got an assassin hero... but now I really am curious. Would you guys who are whining have whined no matter what the hero was as long as he wasn't a rit or necro (or possible mesmer)?
ogre_jd
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Besides , what's the usefulness in having a 3rd paragon hero ????? really, they show their lazyness once again , that's very sad....
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I still don't quite understand all this whining. I mean i would have expected it if we got an assassin hero... but now I really am curious. Would you guys who are whining have whined no matter what the hero was as long as he wasn't a rit or necro (or possible mesmer)?
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SkyFallsInThunder
"Keiran's default weapon uses the same skin as the Rotwing Recurve Bow obtained from Rotscale, implying that he slays Rotscale on his journey in the Hearts of the North (which is possible in the missions)."
GG to who explained this on wiki. Nice touch with it, ArenaNet! It's always the little things...
GG to who explained this on wiki. Nice touch with it, ArenaNet! It's always the little things...
jazilla
I understand some people's disappointment in the choice of professions for Thackeray when it comes to lore. Why can Keiran change his profession, but we can't and we are the heroes of every continent of Tyria? But as for his profession when it comes to game play, people are being really short sighted. 3 paragon heroes once we have the opportunity to have 7 total in our party is insanely awesome. Mix in what is happening with Dervishes and the fact that we have 3 of those as well and you will have some pretty crazy builds that will be floating around on pvx soon enough 
I expect apologies to ANet once you are able to see some of these builds in action. Who needs healers with 3 Dervishes/3 Paragons + Any other class and your character when 7 hero teams are available?
I expect apologies to ANet once you are able to see some of these builds in action. Who needs healers with 3 Dervishes/3 Paragons + Any other class and your character when 7 hero teams are available?
Missing HB
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Some of us like to have a variety of Heroes of each profession to choose from so that we're not stuck looking at the same few over and over and over and over. It doesn't always have to be about making mono-profession Hero teams for those who can't think beyond the numbers and game mechanics.
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It would have been better to introduce quests involving Keiran as hero maybe ... but well , the reason there is none is mentionned in previous post ...
FoxBat
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Yes , i understand it's fun to test 3 paragon teams on short run..
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aeroclown
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Honestly, I am way more interested in those two than Gwen and Thackery. I would really like to see it explored more. Watching just thier emotes/positioning in outposts throughout EotN is hilarious and very telling at the same time. Actually, the same can be said of all the henchmen in EotN. Most people probably dont even notice it, but the right ones do. Props to the Anet staff that arranged it.
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ajicorath
Give him a bow. Channel points in to Leadership, Command and Marks.
Soldier's Fury
Volley
Savage Shot
SYG!
GftE!
FB!
Anthem of Envy
res sig
That's what I use. He looks so awesome when he casts a spell, lands on the ground and lets off Volley!
Soldier's Fury
Volley
Savage Shot
SYG!
GftE!
FB!
Anthem of Envy
res sig
That's what I use. He looks so awesome when he casts a spell, lands on the ground and lets off Volley!
loopysnoopy
Well the good news is that we now know what type of hero we got and yes triple parra cool. But comon Anet/liveteam or who ever thought this is good. It's plain lazy to not give us Ithas Bow His original bow it could not of been that hard to make it inscrible.
And to pass off a inscible rotwing bow its just not on.
Sorry for the rant but it needs to be said to have a great hero as Keiran he needs to be weilding the correct bow.
And to pass off a inscible rotwing bow its just not on.
Sorry for the rant but it needs to be said to have a great hero as Keiran he needs to be weilding the correct bow.
Better Than Koss
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What do you want, 3 mesmers?
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Axel Zinfandel
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Originally Posted by Boogz
any paraway team worth running? I think para players will be very happy with improved racway, otherwise keiran won't be useful for me :P
now, to all of us be happy, give us an extra mesmer and rit (you can kill zenmai and anton in the process, we won't miss them) |
I don't suspect that Racway will change much as it is. An Orders hero is infinitely more useful for fueling the other heroes (and your own SY) adrenal skills, as well as buffing damage, and other support. It's so effective, in fact, that I think including Keiran would actually do more to hinder the build than help it.
HOWEVER, 7 heroes is coming, albeit eventually, but it's coming. When it does come, I almost guarantee you you will see solid team builds make of three paragon heroes, one or two makeshift paragon heroes (W/P,R/P or A/P), and one or two support characters (E/N orders, E/Mo ER ele).
The more paragons you have on your team, the more viable the motivation line becomes because of those "Shout" specific skills like Chorus of Restoration and Finale of Restoration. Now, I suspect and half fear that some of this synergy could change with an eventual paragon update (which, if the derv update is any clue, is running on valve time x 2).
TL;DR:
Of all the hero class possibilities (of those classes that don't currently have three heroes of said type), Paragon was the best choice, and makes sense storyline wise, but I don't expect anything to change until 7 hero parties are implemented.
And even then, people will probably just go full discord like sheep :P
Xiaquin
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Besides , what's the usefulness in having a 3rd paragon hero ????? really, they show their lazyness once again , that's very sad....
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I think we know who the real lazy people are, and they don't care about lore, only how much they stand to benefit. For the record, I still want Miku, and a third mesmer would be nice. Nothing is forbidding them to come, people are just complaining because they didn't get what they wanted. Very sad.
Roen
I'm still waiting for a female ele hero for my 7-hero mean girls fight club.
Morphy
I especially loved the moddable green.
WhiteAsIce
You know, when they said that a new hero was coming that would be something you wouldn't expect, I was looking forward to a Sylvari hero.
That would be preferred. Three Mesmer heroes with Psychic Instability = good night mobs.
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Now we have 3 paras. That is useful, since they actually get better the more you have. What do you want, 3 mesmers?
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AtlaWolffriend
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... I was looking forward to a Sylvari hero.
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Mac_Eanruig
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Gewn and Keiran telling her mom the good news:
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Frostblatt
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wait. isn't Sara dead?
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WhiteAsIce
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The Sylvari are still 225 years (give or take) from dropping off their tree.
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Missing HB
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Laziness? People want a third mesmer, rit or fourth necro. For what reason? To "face-roll" PvE even harder? Miku was another option, but everyone would complain over three sins, too.
I think we know who the real lazy people are, and they don't care about lore, only how much they stand to benefit. For the record, I still want Miku, and a third mesmer would be nice. Nothing is forbidding them to come, people are just complaining because they didn't get what they wanted. Very sad. |
Complaining because they didn't get what they "were supposed to " is more appropriated. This applies for Codex arena , for henchman contest , and for this now , so i know some people are fine with this , but i doubt many are very satisfied....Unfortunately here, there are too many farmer addicts that are satisfied with quests such as " snowball dominance " and it's hard to debate on this ...
Odinius
Well I'm not really into Paragons, but am far from disappointed.
He's a welcome face to the team all he needs is a place in the HoM (and as many heroes: an option to show the helm!)
He's a welcome face to the team all he needs is a place in the HoM (and as many heroes: an option to show the helm!)
Widowmakerz
why does he come equipped with a bow (which is a moddable green) and not a spear and shield?
Hyaon
but but i wanted a warrior!!!11111
Hanok Odbrook
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I can't even begin to understand HOW is it that the heroes who defeated The Undead Lich and stopped the Titan invasion of Tyria. The heroes who defeated Shiro Tagachi (and stopped a great plague while at it). The Heroes who defeated a God that once had more power than two other gods combined and stopped the Torment from pouring into Tyria; and the Heroes who find Queen Salma, save her and end up killing two White Mantle confessors and several Mursaat leaders, end up joining the party of a guy who has killed a bunch of charr and Danthor the Adamant who probably wasn't even a Justicar.
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First, we go through four missions to gain favor of the Gods and Ascend - all to beat down what essentially amounts to an overpowered Zombie.
Then, we defeat four celestial spirits to re-Ascend in order to fight some overpowered ghost who ends up becoming mortal before we actually fight him anyway.
Finally, we kill some bugs pooping in cave water which gives us the ability to fight a fallen God.
Kind of makes the fact that the Thackeray's become bigger legends than us more sensible in Anet Lore. Especially when you consider the fact that the whole romance marriage thing between them actually makes the Anakin/Padme thing believable.
Hanok
Fox Reeveheart
how does one even start the whole hearts of the north deal anyways? I have war in kryta done but for the life of me cannot figure out where to start the next quest line.