Snowball Ats Bots and Macros

Hi Folks

seems the plague of botters have returned, not learning the mistakes of others. People playig in the ATs are talking about the top performing guilds using bots and macros, and some of the lesser guilds just so they can reap undeserved rewards. In fact we see them obviously as they drop present and side step a KD, super fast pick ups. We know of the bots that plagued GvG and HA, they are back in Snowball ATs, more worrying is the use of macros that automatically pickup presents.

Will we see abuses likes this in Guild Wars 2? Will this continue in the next wintersday festival? Saddening that honest players are again being penalised.

Whilst there has been warnings of the use of macros, is there any official word on the use of them?

Discuss.......

Silver

Judging from general vent chatter from playing sbATs this year, there's people using either bots or macros in just about every guild that plays them actively.

Does Anet care? Apparently not.

I think many of the staff are off work for the holidays at Anet HQ/NcSoft which is not helping.

Also, I don't think they read or investigate 'botting' reports via the game client so I recommend sending support tickets.

Well , i know some guilds however that got good because they play those event games 24/7 , thus i doubt guilds such as MoO or idqd use bots .I also realized the high level of ineptitude of some people i played with ...Anyway i got some doubts concerning some others who kinda never play and suddenly get 6/0 ( especially HA guilds ). Could you please tell us which guilds you are suspecting botting ?

I agree that it's pretty boring to see same guilds playing every single AT and being 1st 2nd and 3rd, especially when you know the reward. But well , if you're mad at that , they will just say " then go farm snowball dominance you get same reward..."... They probably do not care of anything left , since they're still busy doing dervish update from 1 year ago

Hey Missing HB

Yes some of the guilds have amazing players for sure, they have played SB Ats last 3 years and have good team work. The thing is you can see certain aspects of what people say the bots and macros do, even if you did not know what they do.

I have no problem getting beat, its PvP, it is competitive play, but when you see lots of guilds abusing this and freely sending macros to other guilds then it takes the fun out of playing. I am not farming for rewards, I am trying to teach new players to PvP how to play, and play with friends as an activity to play together as a guild.

The rewards are a bonus but for the new players its just really exciting for them. But to lose to bad players because they have joined the frenzy of botters and macro users is very demoralising for players, including myself.

Silver

Yes, yes, and yes [see: EULA].

It's the sad truth, and we all know it. All MMOs are plagued with botters and cheaters, and it's all driven by online demonstrable achievements, which drive their egos into this huge race or competition to be better than the rest [or set apart... *see: elitism*]. And in most cases, they [the cheaters] wind up on top, unfortunately. This is common knowledge, and there's no stopping this. never. EVER.

All we can do is cope, and nothing else. There is no justice, especially not in this 5 year old game [it's even been forsaken by Anet with their dwindling interest in providing any new updates or positive changes].

Point is that the game in itself ( not considering bots ) is already a lot abused ( i.e PvE heavy easy farms with Sin / PvP : dead hour farming , smurfing , etc..) . If now furthermore everyone is even " cheating " ....First things are annoying , but we unfortunately need to deal with these since they're part of game. But , using bots really....
And yes , like Sirius Bsns said , they probably won't do anything because they know the game is dead/dying and thus , there aren't a lot of people that will complain of those

Your guild might not, but it is fact that many players are using bots and macros in SB ATs. We have confirmation from guilds they are, people asking do you use macro, if you dont you cant join them. Last night a guild telling us where to get the macros from.

Silver

I know first hand a bunch of people that are placing top 8 consistently in the snowball at's are using bots or macro's. Does anet care enough? No. It sucks for the legit players but yea, whatcha gonna do?

And ofcourse people are gonna deny that their guild is using bots/macro's so I'm not really inclined to take anyone's word for it, specially on this forum.

take screens and send em to people who can piss em off

Create awareness of the problems. Last time the situation in GvG and HA took anet several months to plan and execute a stunning decision resulting in the bans of over 3,500 accounts. Do they care? Of course they do, question is, can they do something about this?

Silver

Can't exactly take a screenshot of someone picking up an item exceptionally quickly.

The question then would be, why would they release thousands of USD in rewards for a format where macros and bots have been very prevalent when support will be understaffed?

I can't imagine it'd even be that hard to notice that people are somehow managing to press semicolon + spacebar twenty times in the span of a second.

Sucks the fun right out of the game. This is exactly why many ppl do not participate in PVP.

Looking forward to the next round of bannings and the whining from the "pros" who never bot or use macros but somehow got banned.

At the end of a match you should have to type 5 digit randomly generated code placed onscreen within 1-2 minutes to get any rewards/faction. That would cut down on the unattended bots.

Many players and few guilds was banned when Dhuum got crazy with his scythe , but this year they are back with new accounts/guilds.
This bots are not like farming bots. Ppl are sitting in front of the screen , they make decisions where to go etc. , bot is "only" picking up very fast presents/passing present to other member of the team/dodge kds etc.


IMO only afking guilds don't have macros for presents , i'm talking about simple macro (nearest item + action key in one button).

This is not a simple macro, sure it's simple to code but it's still a marco that's helping you make a profit, a profit in the form of Zkeys.

IMO a simple macro is a basic double clicker.

It's not really against anything to use your keyboard or mouse with integrated macro ability to bind 2 or 3 keystrokes together.
Last year it was a big issue because of bots that were actually using the game data, this time around it's just regular old macros anyone can create.
They still depend on your ping, you spamming the button and you not sucking, last years editions did not.

Besides, cramming everyone who knows how to do DnD and spam target nearest+space together as abusive fags is over the top. Neither is terribly difficult and you see even the top teams make mistakes on these once in a while.

It's such a shame that some people's greed is worth more to them than the enjoyment of a good game using their skill alone. After encountering certain guilds using the bot's and macros in the SB AT's my alliance has decided it's not worth doing any more this year. Speaking to other alliance and guild leaders it seems that most are giving it a miss after encountering the same problem.

So farewell Snowball AT's it was fun for a few years but now GW2 is on the horizon we'll have to wait and see if this format returns the same (if so there really really need to be some changes).

arent macros perfectly legal?

We QQed about this last year and we were closed for this: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...highlight=WoTU

Do you guys even know what bots do? you pretty much don't have to do anything, just stand next to the present, no need to touch your keyboard at all.

A simple macros (g11 and g15 keyboard) are widely known to be used and is not illegal and Anet have already said they cannot do anything about that, because you're still performing an action: you are clicking once, and your keyboard presses two. I don't even use a macro and apparently we're a speculative HA guild who are all of a sudden winning ATs. Get your facts straight first.

All of you whiners need to realise that top guilds have been practising and playing this for some time already. Go obs.

And I can vouch for our alliance that none of us guilds are botting.

http://www.xfire.com/video/3dceea/ - proof that bots do exist and they are abused.

How does that proof that bots exist?

Lots of ppl can dnd.

First off Macro's are completly 100% legal to use. Though they discourage it because of botting reports they are still 100% legal to use. If they were not legal why then did 4-5 years ago anet release a guildwars zboard keyboard with programable buttons on it.

http://www.amazon.com/Zboard-Guild-W...3724115&sr=8-1

As for botting. I have placed top 8 in every turny I have done and some of the guilds you accuse of botting I have beaten. As for the drop present and kite away..... Do you know how retardedly easy that is to do when only one guy is coming after u and stands at the max distance
u just drop it when he is at about 3/4 of the cast and then dodge the snowball and then pick up the present. He is far enough away that he can't make it to u in time to grab it........

I see that this year is also plagued by the retarded pvers thinking that everyone and anyone bot in pvp. I can tell you that more people bot in pve then in pvp.

In fact if we are having this discussion than all the guilds that forfeit out of the at's should be removed from the game as well as the person that entered them because it is match manipulation in terms of reaping more rewards for doing nothing. How is this like that you may ask? Well because the number of rp's goes up based on the number of guilds also a forfeit means teams get a free win hence forth more rp's.

Stop qqing get a brain in snowballs and stop complaining about the macro that is 100% legal.



I can also tell you that in the video yuna is not botting, but you can see the difference in skill. WHY THE F DID THE BLUE TEAM NOT PICK IT UP WHEN HE DROPPED IT U HAD 2 people right there and the present was on the ground for a good second.......

i loled!
ur link is not a proof of bot/macro. it proofs, how skillfull yuri is ^_^.
The trick is called dnd, and there are lots of ppl, who can do this from closer range! for example: aya die machine, headshot ownage, lea toff and more!

Are you seriously accusing Yuna for that? It's a 2v2 situation and dnd from those imbeciles who are trying to KD from half a mile away, Yuna will defenitely DnD. Some players are really talented at these things. DnDing like that may come once in a while when you're confident that you can do it, but some players can consistently DnD.

In fact, as much as I love Marco, he sometimes DnDs too quick that he will still get KDed after performing his DnD. Makes it more annoying for me to pick it up because i see the present drop twice, but still, he's not botting!

explain me how is it possible to dnd from like 2 meters from somebody that want to KD you. like in this video in the last seconds.

thoses dnds are not 100%. it depends on a good timing, a little bit lag^^.

GL doing dnd from touch distance with success every time. Bunch of blind hypocritics.

What is more I noticed he never uses his bots/scripts against top guilds like LR or hf. I'm wondering why?

This is because topguilds make a human wall against the present and they call ALL k/d's and snares on vent/ts/...

This means they will know when he will have do DnD + doing a DnD of touchrange requires luck and a bit of lag like vodich said

For the people vouching that their guilds, or they themselves aren't botting: Don't even waste the effort.

Anyone claiming they don't bot (including me) holds as much value as that peron claiming he was the president of the United States.

Your best GW buddy, you know that one you've been playing with for 5 years, could be running bots without you knowing so. If you can't acknowledge this fact, you should take off your tunnelvision glasses, and smell the anonimity of the internet.

Truth is that untill we see these guilds playing face to face (LAN), we don't know if they're botting or not. This is why all major tournaments for every game get played out in huge events, rather than every player playing from his home. You can't prevent cheating, no matter how good or tight your security measures are, and you sure as hell can't detect every cheater out there.

Also: the bots used in snowball aren't simple script macros. Any kid can go on google and type: "autoit script" and BAM, you've got yourself a script, or even the means of making one yourself.

The bots in use during these events are far more advance than macros, and even far more advance then those joke interrupt bots that got released a couple of years ago.

However, those bots (GWCA and shit) took place on a lower ring, meaning that GW could easily detect them. The bots we're talking about here, are well designed bots taking place in the highest acces rings of your computer.

Essentially, this means that there is no way for the Guildwars.exe process to detect an injection, unless they were to get granted acces to the highest possible acces ring in your computer (which would mean rewrite your OS, and thus will NEVER happen).

These bots can not be detected by Anet in any conventional way. The only way would be "visual conformation" and/or impossible behaviour. These DnD bots are real, and the people using them will most likely never admit they're using them (why would they, free 1000 USD each year? Yesh please).

There is, however, still many other exploits which can be detected by Anet that need to get fixed.

I know several players who reached redicilously high skillz titles that can travel to the 'gamer' outposts outside of the season. The theory is quite simply: You force a map travel directly to the RBR/Snowball outpost through code (as they are not visible on your map) using their ID's, and you bypass whatever security measures there is to prevent you from doing so, if there even is any.

This is how 111 people got banned a couple of years ago for farming Mallyx over and over again without doing the subquests. They forced a travel to his "outpost"/instance enabling them to kill him hundreds of times a day.

There still is far more bots/hacks and exploits existing today, and getting used in GvG, HA and events, but I've given up on GW. I always cared about being the best any way, and in my eyes, I've achieved said goal.

Botters botting GW for real life rewards, I probably would do the same thing if I was that desperate for real life money.

I have not seen anywhere ANET have said Macros are legal, people have been banned for using them and it is a grey area. Get Regina, Martin or someone from Anet to say its okay then I believe you.

Also, the macros can be very complex in their actions.

Silver

Hiya all so my englisch is not so perfect so be nice with me *give cookies*

well we all know some Players use Bots or Macros to Cheating etc and whatever well we know Anet had Banned A LOT of ppls who Cheating because Boting and use Macros etc so and on This Winter Event is it not better i see continue some Guild or Players use Bots/Macros.

And they use it Mostly in Snowball-GvG because this Bots or Macros Pick up the Gifts extreme Fast so for Normal Player no chance to pick up the Gift because the Bots pick the gifts up AGAIN VERY FAST so if i play with my Guild Snowball-GvG and we had so Many Meeting with Bots or players who use Bots/Macros and we CANT win the Round !

i think it is not good to use Bots or Macros or whatever for Cheats with the reason "omg i am the Best and your Failet at Snowball-gvg" i mean Bots or Macros dont make ppls Cool who use it....ppls who use Bots or Macros looks to me "ohh you use a bot??....fine...so you a NOOB to play the game FAIR!"

and the other way is i mean if play new ppls gw (beginners who play 2 days) and they play snowball-gvg and this Beginners Meet a Bot party this is not fair rlly.

yea this was it....so my last words on alll ppls who Botting or Cheating LEARN TO PLAY FAIR ! and give Beginners who stay NEW in the game a CHANCE ! and dont forget if you Botting or Cheating you not better as real Players and you NOT COOL ! so on all ppls who use Bots/Macros -> get out from the game and buy BRAIn if you dont can play FAIR !

well on this way good luck and Happy new year !

greatz Nina !

By macros do you mean controlls like target item and pick up item?

These are available for all to use, so they are fair in my opinion. Bots spam the button like 100x per second so they are really unfair.

Wow, are you serious with this video ?

This guy is one of the Hardcore gamers, as I have been too; the past 4 yrs. DnD needs a lot of training. It's not like we've accomplished to do this in 1 day or suddendly on some ATS.

Guys, I can't even see fakecasting around for fast stealing when he usually drops his pressie. So in a way, posting this vid only shows how he dominates 2 of your guys just like that. Go obs dudes, maybe you'll learn a trick or two how to overcome players like these.

Or do you possibly need "an introduction to snowball arenas" ?

This line works everywhere (atleast for the some of us): play hard, go pro.

YES, I'm serious and don't be mad, because he is botting. Everytime I tried to kd him from ANY RANGE, he used EXACTLY THE SAME SEQUENCE, which means it's a script/bot. DnD from TOUCHRANGE is just laughable and I don't even comment it. We tried even to kd him with 3 SNOWBALLS and still he dodged all.

And you don't need to teach me how to play. Maybe I'm not the best but at least I play fair without using any exploits.

Also, check Borat's post. He told 100% truth. It's Internet, if you believe that some pps don't use bots, because you trust in what they tell, you are dumb.

DnD does require alot of training, agreed. (It took me a few days to perfect my technique)

However, what I've always wondered is that all the people who are so redicilously good at these events (Snowball and RBR) are always in the same guilds/alliance.

On top of this fact, almost NONE of those players managed to achieve anything of value outside of those seasoned, proven to be bottable, events. You can't help but admit this raises a questions:

For some weird reason, players who are capable of nothing of value (outside these events) manage to beat the most experienced PvP players, and on top of that, all those "noname players" (Read: Not known to be good at GW, as opposed to GvG'ers) happen to be in the same guilds and alliances?

If you add to this the fact that botting in GW is so fcking easy, it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together.

My initial arguement, the one I used when I created my very first botting thread, still stands:

All these players we just discussed being miracilously good at snowball also happen to pick up presents faster than people known to have incredible reflexes/connections. (Think [sup], passive, spank, almost every top 20 euro GvG player)

Picking up a present isn't skill, unlike what many players from dth and MoO would like us to believe. It's a combination of ping and getting as much clicks/target nearest item + action combos in the least amount of time.

Yet for some reason, I still see Candygirl (highly respected player), passive, [insert top player], get completely destroyed by nonname pve'ers when it comes down to picking up a relic fast.

I've already posted the workings of a bot, I remember I even posted screenshots of me running the pickup bot, and how I outpicked up 3+ players 100% of the time for 10 minutes in Isle of the Nameless.

A bot reads the code, waits for the "item has dropped" package and immediatly (even before your client has the time to process the visual information on your screen) replies said package with a "target that item + action" packet.

No matter how good you are, or even how good your ping is (it takes 1ms for the bot to reply with the pickup packet), you will NOT beat a bot at picking up presents.

When observing, it becomes painfully obvious that some people are, in fact, botting, some even managing to cancel spells, and still outpicking up previously mentioned top players.

Seems like ppl from ha or gvg guilds expect the same results for snowballs ats but event pvp is a way different Oo
That good event players teamup in an event guild and win most of the matches shouldnt be realy surprising since they have much more experience. If u have played snowball for some time you might notice that its more about timing and faking your hidden rock, your position and your teamplay to pickup presents. In a big mob fast reflexes will be helpful but the dmg n snares will decide which side will keep holding it
For MoO i can say it took us some time to get that good we lost like all of the first year ats against good guilds like dom or ef but now there re not that many good guilds left.

To be blunt you could look it at it two ways. I would admit that im sure some guilds in ATS and even RBR use bots. (I still feel its pointless to use bots)

My take though is the guilds that win in ATS for example and do it consistently are just very good at what they do and I would say its the only thing they focus on all year around. Be that ATS or RBR, I for example enjoy AtS and have seen first hand how good some of these players are.

If you look at RbR its more often then not the same people who are usually top 5-10, why is this so? Simple there just better practiced and know what to do and how to do it. If these people have been botting I would imagine Anet would have discovered this after so many years.

Pol

Most patently absurd statement I've read here in quite some time.

Macros and skill are not mutually exclusive either. Even if you have something mashing the pickup key for you, you still have to take care of positioning, when to toss snowballs or use skills, bodyblocks, etc. Anyone given a macro or certain level of bot assistance is not garunteed to win, but it is an important leg-up on the competition, and in the hands of a decent player completely unbeatable by similarly skilled non-macro opponents.

I do agree with you on some points, the problem I find that its the same old excuse for people who simply feel if someone is so good and there dominating albeit AtS or RbR then there probably cheating.

Correct me if im wrong but arent Macros pretty much legit and Anet mentioned that technically it isint really "cheating" since you still need to press a couple of buttons to execute it?

Pol

I don't know what is more sad, people making bots for a holiday festival team quest or continuing to play that stuff against bots. I hear what everyone is saying though. I get super ticked when people sync in RA. Ruins the whole spirit of "Random" Arena. The botting in RA has gone down, but the Snowball Tourney happens at an odd time. If anyone was using injections or anything like that, I am sure we will be seeing Dhuum soon enough in Kamadan when people are trying to pawn off their rewards. I am so glad I skipped GW for the bulk of the holidays.