I buy a lot of stuff at Kamadan and almost every seller says "offer" when I ask for a price. The seller should be setting the price and letting it go from there. Asking for offers just wastes time because I have no reason not to lowball them.
I know that they have a price in mind because after they reject my initial offer they'll tell me what they actually want. Do they think that by asking for offers, they'll get a crazy high offer one day?
Why does everyone say "offer" when selling something?
Liquidus
Apollo Smile
They wanna see how much they can drag out of you. 99 percent of the time they will say "its worth more than that"
Odinius
My reason is for probing the general buyers what they are willing to pay.
Usually a buyer offers less than the general worth of an item so I usually counteroffer roughly 40% higher keeping in mind we meet in the middle, so offered price+20%
Usually a buyer offers less than the general worth of an item so I usually counteroffer roughly 40% higher keeping in mind we meet in the middle, so offered price+20%
BrettM
Probably. Some potential buyers don't know the market very well and the seller hopes to take advantage of that. Other buyers may be in a hurry for the item and willing to offer an above-market price if the seller hasn't already quoted a market price.
Some sellers are not all that aware of the market, either, and may hope to get an idea of the going rate that way rather than asking for a PC.
Regardless, I find the behavior annoying, too. But, I just hate to dicker whether buying or selling. Others like it.
Some sellers are not all that aware of the market, either, and may hope to get an idea of the going rate that way rather than asking for a PC.
Regardless, I find the behavior annoying, too. But, I just hate to dicker whether buying or selling. Others like it.
novawhiz
The whole Offer thing makes perfect sense when your selling really high end stuff. But when someone is selling junk worth a couple k at most, i just laugh when they say offer.
Whats worse is when they say "offer", you give an offer they dont like and they flame you and call you a noob and tell you to gtfo.
I like to make buyers offer sometimes just to figure out whos actually interested in the item and whos just trying to make a buck.
Whats worse is when they say "offer", you give an offer they dont like and they flame you and call you a noob and tell you to gtfo.
I like to make buyers offer sometimes just to figure out whos actually interested in the item and whos just trying to make a buck.
Aeon221
The proper response to "offer" is "1g".
If I'm buying something, I'm buying something. I've got money, I don't want to haggle and I don't want to play mind games when I could be playing actual games.
And since I usually only need mods these days, I tend to get more actual sellers than I can deal with anyway.
If I'm buying something, I'm buying something. I've got money, I don't want to haggle and I don't want to play mind games when I could be playing actual games.
And since I usually only need mods these days, I tend to get more actual sellers than I can deal with anyway.
Kurosaki129
Because sellers wants to make the "highest" profit. Everyone wants to make money.
Regardless, I find this whole "offer" thing annoying. Tell me what you want for your item, if I can't afford it or don't like the price. No thanks.
Regardless, I find this whole "offer" thing annoying. Tell me what you want for your item, if I can't afford it or don't like the price. No thanks.
Liquidus
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My reason is for probing the general buyers what they are willing to pay.
Usually a buyer offers less than the general worth of an item so I usually counteroffer roughly 40% higher keeping in mind we meet in the middle, so offered price+20% |
Odinius
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Originally Posted by Liquidus
I see what you mean, but you could also set an initial price that's higher than your intended price, with the intention that the buyer's counteroffer will be around your intended price.
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I like to make it a friendly back and forth untill we agree on a price, but thats just me.
Also note that: I'd rather just ask my going rate and have someone buy it, alas that does not work because 90% of the buyers try to undercut.
Shortly: I like the game, buy they asked for it.
slowerpoke
because they are worthless money grabbers
Necromas
Because without an auction system it's really hard to tell what things are worth if you don't normally buy/sell much of whatever the item in question is.
Kurosaki129
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Because without an auction system it's really hard to tell what things are worth if you don't normally buy/sell much of whatever the item in question is.
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A E L
Guild Wars market is just messed up nowadays imo ....way to many ''powertraders'' most of them trying to buy only high end weapons/minipets/El tonics.
Reason when someone selling says offer is :
1.Expects you to say a price OVER the price he already had in mind ...that way making profit.
2.Thinks that if he'll say the price , the buyer will get scared and look for the item somewhere else.
Basically people say offer on anything ....had persons telling me to offer on inscriptions and mods which is hiliarious in my opinion.
If you truly want to sell put your price next to item if you dont want to get spams with ''How much?'' ''Price?'', but then again some will still offer a price inferior to yours in the hope to make some profit.
Reason when someone selling says offer is :
1.Expects you to say a price OVER the price he already had in mind ...that way making profit.
2.Thinks that if he'll say the price , the buyer will get scared and look for the item somewhere else.
Basically people say offer on anything ....had persons telling me to offer on inscriptions and mods which is hiliarious in my opinion.
If you truly want to sell put your price next to item if you dont want to get spams with ''How much?'' ''Price?'', but then again some will still offer a price inferior to yours in the hope to make some profit.
RedDog91
Its because they hope someone will offer more than its worth.
Most people know what its worth and if you bid lower, they tell you "its worth more than that noob!". They are hoping someone will bid higher than it is worth so they can make a larger profit.
Most people know what its worth and if you bid lower, they tell you "its worth more than that noob!". They are hoping someone will bid higher than it is worth so they can make a larger profit.
Chasing Squirrels
They either don't know the price or want you to say a number higher than the going rate.
jimbo32
Like novawhiz said, "offer" makes sense with really high-end stuff, simply because the market is so small. A lot of that stuff is really hard to accurately price-check.
But a good chunk of items (especially the stuff less than 50k or so) has a (somewhat) standard price range. It's my opinion that most of the people asking for offers on common stuff fall into three categories -
1.) They know very well what their item is worth, but are hoping for a big score from someone without pricing knowledge.
2.) They have absolutely no idea what their item is worth, and asking for offers is their way of getting a price check.
3.) Sort of a moronic subset of #2, I guess. They have a ridiculously inflated opinion of their item, and expect to get 25k for their req12 inscribable Holy Branch (or whatever). It's my experience that the "gtfo noob" flaming usually comes from these idiots.
Regardless of their motivation, all three groups are time-wasters, so I usually don't bother with any of them beyond asking "Hey, did you have a price in mind?".
But a good chunk of items (especially the stuff less than 50k or so) has a (somewhat) standard price range. It's my opinion that most of the people asking for offers on common stuff fall into three categories -
1.) They know very well what their item is worth, but are hoping for a big score from someone without pricing knowledge.
2.) They have absolutely no idea what their item is worth, and asking for offers is their way of getting a price check.
3.) Sort of a moronic subset of #2, I guess. They have a ridiculously inflated opinion of their item, and expect to get 25k for their req12 inscribable Holy Branch (or whatever). It's my experience that the "gtfo noob" flaming usually comes from these idiots.
Regardless of their motivation, all three groups are time-wasters, so I usually don't bother with any of them beyond asking "Hey, did you have a price in mind?".
Horace Slughorn
ya its freakin annoying, stop doing it if you're reading this and you currently do it
Hobbs
In Party Search: WTB Jars of Honey.
I have 20 in storage but I don't have a clue what i'm gonna sell them for, if I propose a price i'm potentially miles out. It's far easier to shoot a PM saying "I have 20, offer?".
However, if you put up a WTS ad, then yeah, you should have a price you're ready and willing to quote people.
I have 20 in storage but I don't have a clue what i'm gonna sell them for, if I propose a price i'm potentially miles out. It's far easier to shoot a PM saying "I have 20, offer?".
However, if you put up a WTS ad, then yeah, you should have a price you're ready and willing to quote people.
StormDragonZ
Everything to me is worth 2.5k unless the merchants and NPC-traders say otherwise.
There. Done. Anyone who doesn't like my offer can continue standing around chugging alcohol and munching on sweets.
There. Done. Anyone who doesn't like my offer can continue standing around chugging alcohol and munching on sweets.
Dzjudz
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Everything to me is worth 2.5k unless the merchants and NPC-traders say otherwise.
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Uriel_Wolfblood
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Originally Posted by Odinius
My reason is for probing the general buyers what they are willing to pay.
Usually a buyer offers less than the general worth of an item so I usually counteroffer roughly 40% higher keeping in mind we meet in the middle, so offered price+20% |
coil
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ya its freakin annoying, stop doing it if you're reading this and you currently do it
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Bristlebane
If a seller tells me "offer" in response to smaller items worth < 10k, I just tell them "nevermind"
Rites
if i see "offer" i dont bother trying to buy the item
Lasai
I used offer because I mean it, I have no clue what some of these idiotic skins are worth, nor do I care now.
Its a no win scenario. If you price too high, it's OMFG noob. If you price too low, its 'think" OMFG noob as you rush to buy it.
Spam selling is tedious..and so are the pro sellers/buyers. That is why, now, I really don't bother, whatever it is.. it gets merched.
Its a no win scenario. If you price too high, it's OMFG noob. If you price too low, its 'think" OMFG noob as you rush to buy it.
Spam selling is tedious..and so are the pro sellers/buyers. That is why, now, I really don't bother, whatever it is.. it gets merched.
Stolen Souls
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They either don't know the price or want you to say a number higher than the going rate.
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Hugh Manatee
One thing, if you put "offer" and get lowballed, you basically asked for it.
Last week this annoying pube was selling a stack of clovers with no price tag, I ask him how much, he says offer, now this is just after wintersday and rainbow canes are prolific, and what with raptor farming and the vatirs and paddy's day around the corner I figure these things can't be worth more then 100g ea(i managed to hoard like half a stack last year in about an hour), maybe I get a bulk rate up to 20-25k, so I start my offer low, 10k, the dude starts pubing out saying i'm a noob and he wants 120k, and spends the next like 5 minutes harrassing me till I just put up the idiot screen and tell him I'll just get em free in a few months, GG no sale.
Thing is I had the cash and was in a spending mood, wouldn't have dropped the 120k, but might have gone to 50k if he was polite and made a case for it, but nope, like you're going to make a sale if you pube out in whisper chat....
Although, last time I put a price tag on something, was my R13 storm daggers, I read the guru PCs, look through auctions, and everything said in the neightborhood of 20-40k, so I start my offer at 50k, and I got it, first bite. But RIGHT after I hit the trade, I still hadn't changed my add, and a guy pm'd me a 100k bid....
Last week this annoying pube was selling a stack of clovers with no price tag, I ask him how much, he says offer, now this is just after wintersday and rainbow canes are prolific, and what with raptor farming and the vatirs and paddy's day around the corner I figure these things can't be worth more then 100g ea(i managed to hoard like half a stack last year in about an hour), maybe I get a bulk rate up to 20-25k, so I start my offer low, 10k, the dude starts pubing out saying i'm a noob and he wants 120k, and spends the next like 5 minutes harrassing me till I just put up the idiot screen and tell him I'll just get em free in a few months, GG no sale.
Thing is I had the cash and was in a spending mood, wouldn't have dropped the 120k, but might have gone to 50k if he was polite and made a case for it, but nope, like you're going to make a sale if you pube out in whisper chat....
Although, last time I put a price tag on something, was my R13 storm daggers, I read the guru PCs, look through auctions, and everything said in the neightborhood of 20-40k, so I start my offer at 50k, and I got it, first bite. But RIGHT after I hit the trade, I still hadn't changed my add, and a guy pm'd me a 100k bid....
Iuris
Well, I don't trade much, so I certainly wouldn't say "offer", but given that I don't trade, I'm often in a state where I'm talking to some guy about selling something, but neither of us has any idea what those things are supposed to go for.
Fortunately, apart from sweet tooth, I'm all out of goals in GW that money can buy, so I sell stuff extra cheap. Like elite tomes for 2k and so on.
Fortunately, apart from sweet tooth, I'm all out of goals in GW that money can buy, so I sell stuff extra cheap. Like elite tomes for 2k and so on.
Ascended Furling
I never liked that way of selling and never whisper people that do. If i have to buy of sell i put the price in and never negotiate prices. I only buy and sell on a second pc so i can game and don't waste time on standing whole day in spamadan.
beatdownbob
When confronted with this kind of crap, I just offer half what I want to pay for it.
They usually get mardy and offended, that's the sign of a terrible seller and a great opportunity, unable to deal with the tortures of trade, they would rather remove themselves from the deal than take the required steps to complete.
If they mardy up, count to 200, try them again on a different character, with a different but similar offer, try ecto's instead of cash. Just keep plugging until they finally agree to something having decided for their own terrible self that it might not actually be worth what they think it's worth.
They usually get mardy and offended, that's the sign of a terrible seller and a great opportunity, unable to deal with the tortures of trade, they would rather remove themselves from the deal than take the required steps to complete.
If they mardy up, count to 200, try them again on a different character, with a different but similar offer, try ecto's instead of cash. Just keep plugging until they finally agree to something having decided for their own terrible self that it might not actually be worth what they think it's worth.
Bright Star Shine
God, I hate it when people refuse to hassle a bit with me for an item.. They just think I will magically offer 500e for their retarded worthless crap, but if I offer something they don't like, they tell me to gtfo.. Same with buying items, when I was buying El tonics, especially with the El beetlejuice, people were always asking me howmuch I offered, and instead of dealing with it and trying to get a better price, told me to gtfo.. F*cking retards..
Nice strategy, only, that won't work for me, since all my characters start with "Bright" 
so that would be kind of obvious 
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When confronted with this kind of crap, I just offer half what I want to pay for it.
They usually get mardy and offended, that's the sign of a terrible seller and a great opportunity, unable to deal with the tortures of trade, they would rather remove themselves from the deal than take the required steps to complete. If they mardy up, count to 200, try them again on a different character, with a different but similar offer, try ecto's instead of cash. Just keep plugging until they finally agree to something having decided for their own terrible self that it might not actually be worth what they think it's worth. |
Vallen
Because they are retards, no more needs to be said.
I have sold so much stuff and not once have I said 'offer' like a dickhead. I want to sell something, I tell them my price and they say yes or no, selling isn't rocket science.
Anytime anyone says 'offer' to me I just ignore them and move on since unless you offer a crazy price, they wont sell it to you anyway.
I have sold so much stuff and not once have I said 'offer' like a dickhead. I want to sell something, I tell them my price and they say yes or no, selling isn't rocket science.
Anytime anyone says 'offer' to me I just ignore them and move on since unless you offer a crazy price, they wont sell it to you anyway.
Maver1ck87
Main reason... cos they have NO IDEA how much its worth... and want you to make an offer so that they can get a ballpark figure and assess how much your willing to pay. If you dont like it, dont reply?
Tender Care
1) they don't know the exact price
2) they want to let u think that the item has great value so you will offer much more then current value.
easy...when they tell me: Offer, i say "name ur price or gtfo"
2) they want to let u think that the item has great value so you will offer much more then current value.
easy...when they tell me: Offer, i say "name ur price or gtfo"
Zebideedee
I say offer because I'm rubbish at prices, I know the ballpark usually but more often than not rely on the other person for price 
BrettM
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God, I hate it when people refuse to hassle a bit with me for an item.
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MithranArkanere
I don't like haggling. An automatic auction system may be fine. But I won't waste time with haggling.
For example, If I set a price of 50K or 5e for an Oppressor's weapon, that's the price, and that's it. I don't care if I could get over 70k for it, I don't care if you got another one for 30K, and I don't care if you have 30K and 2e.
The price is set, it's fixed, it's 50K or 5e, and it won't change. I won't haggle. Choose one.
You don't like it? Move along, don't nag me about prices.
But still, people keep haggling and haggling, so I got bored of it and I no longer trade almost anything at all, with a few exceptions.
I SO wish the Xunlai Market wasn't scrapped... sigh...
I can't wait for GW2 and a proper trading system, instead having someone nagging me for 5 minutes to basically give them the stuff they want so bad for free, until I finally get fed up and ignore them.
For example, If I set a price of 50K or 5e for an Oppressor's weapon, that's the price, and that's it. I don't care if I could get over 70k for it, I don't care if you got another one for 30K, and I don't care if you have 30K and 2e.
The price is set, it's fixed, it's 50K or 5e, and it won't change. I won't haggle. Choose one.
You don't like it? Move along, don't nag me about prices.
But still, people keep haggling and haggling, so I got bored of it and I no longer trade almost anything at all, with a few exceptions.
I SO wish the Xunlai Market wasn't scrapped... sigh...
I can't wait for GW2 and a proper trading system, instead having someone nagging me for 5 minutes to basically give them the stuff they want so bad for free, until I finally get fed up and ignore them.
jazilla
@MithranArkanere: I agree. A proper AH is where it's at. It helps to smooth prices out for sure. No more, "I will buy the item you are selling". Then you open trade and instead of putting the amount in the window that you are asking for, they try to trade you worthless junk and then beg.
On topic: I have been guilty of the "offer" thing before. I usually do it on items that are really hard to get a real price on like cele compasses, bds's etc. that are all over the board because of different req.'s etc. At least now you all know who to throw rocks at in Kamadan.
On topic: I have been guilty of the "offer" thing before. I usually do it on items that are really hard to get a real price on like cele compasses, bds's etc. that are all over the board because of different req.'s etc. At least now you all know who to throw rocks at in Kamadan.
Tom Swift
I can understand a person asking the buyer to " offer" if they don't know what the item they are selling is worth.
But when the offer is made ANSWER THE BUYER
When I make an offer I put it at the low end of the reasonable amount. If you answer me and haggle a bit you will get me up to mid or even upper end of the range if I want the item badly enough.
But if you don't answer back with a counter offer you will lose the sale and stand around for another 2 or 3 hours looking for someone to buy your item.
But when the offer is made ANSWER THE BUYER
When I make an offer I put it at the low end of the reasonable amount. If you answer me and haggle a bit you will get me up to mid or even upper end of the range if I want the item badly enough.
But if you don't answer back with a counter offer you will lose the sale and stand around for another 2 or 3 hours looking for someone to buy your item.