LDoA More Painful!
Reflect
Ya, I forgot that AFK titles are such hard and prestigious achievment...
Coast
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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
I remember reading through the whole discussion on the wiki. People involved were forced to get rid of these items. Getting both titles took time, during which you volountarily ignored this warning and didn't remove items/characters.
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Silence in Death
I am one of those players who has a character death leveling already. My lvl 17 monk is sitting in Pre right now waiting for the update.
I have to say that I am not at all upset with the update. Yes, it does suck that I spent quite some hours death leveling to this point. That said, I think these new quests, even if I have to do them 100 times each to get to lvl 20, will be much more FUN than death leveling. Part of the problem I had was that while I was doing it, I couldn't play the game. Now, I can play the game and earn the title.
There is no doubt that the motivation behind titles has changed since the HoM rewards reveal and that's fine. Anet is using GW2 as a way to bring players back to GW1 and I don't have a problem with that. To accomplish that goal, they are changing a title that was originally an oddity into something significantly more practical.
I have to say that I am not at all upset with the update. Yes, it does suck that I spent quite some hours death leveling to this point. That said, I think these new quests, even if I have to do them 100 times each to get to lvl 20, will be much more FUN than death leveling. Part of the problem I had was that while I was doing it, I couldn't play the game. Now, I can play the game and earn the title.
There is no doubt that the motivation behind titles has changed since the HoM rewards reveal and that's fine. Anet is using GW2 as a way to bring players back to GW1 and I don't have a problem with that. To accomplish that goal, they are changing a title that was originally an oddity into something significantly more practical.
Urcscumug
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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87
b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play
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Originally Posted by psycore
LDoA should be about defending Ascalon not getting rolled by charr over and over.
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Originally Posted by drkn
IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned.
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Fix the bug, revert the changes if they give unfair advantages and if it's feasible, and move on. Why ban a player when you allowed them to do that in the first place? Nobody can give a rigurous definition of what's "wrong" and what's "right" in a game. Something is either possible or not, and if it is, it's because the designers put it there. Banning bug exploiters is just blaming your own oversight on others.
hay2wiiire
Yes......because being afk for hours was sooo painfinful.
sry, epic fail
sry, epic fail
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Coast
He got rid of the item since he used the item= he got rid of it meaning he didn't do anything illegal.
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Likely he did not and benefited from the illegit item to get two titles instead of just one.
Eragon Zarroc
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Killed u man
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Originally Posted by Urcscumug
Fix the bug, revert the changes if they give unfair advantages and if it's feasible, and move on. Why ban a player when you allowed them to do that in the first place? Nobody can give a rigurous definition of what's "wrong" and what's "right" in a game. Something is either possible or not, and if it is, it's because the designers put it there. Banning bug exploiters is just blaming your own oversight on others.
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The reason I've always fought for my innocence was that Anet specifically said glitched items (In Pre-Searing) were OK to use given the fact that the first batch of items was gotten through a completely legal way (Simply map travelling
). Items were getting traded daily by douzens in-game and on the forums, which Gaile overlooked herself in person, and were allowed.So when these tomes arrived, the "current" policy was that glitch items were legal (How the hell is the intire community supposed to know where these items came from), so people traded them in masses.
Then 2 weeks after the release of these items (With still no public word on how they got there in the first place, aswell as thousands of trades having already happened) Gaile releases an official post in which she explicitally stated noone will get banned for trading these items, only moved to Post-Searing. By then, I was already on a good way to LS and LDoA, so I just decided to finish this project, which took no more than a couple of days after that post.
At this very moment, I still know several people who have tomes and other glitched items in Pre-Searing, some of which NCSoft is aware off, but for some reason don't do anything about it.
So then, 2 years later I get banned out of the blue for "hacking" Guild Wars, something I didn't do, with the base, the foundation, the very reasoning:"You can not have both titles" . That alone was already a flawed reason because you could, in fact, get both titles.
And now to see that they're going to make both titles available to everyone, the flawed reason that got me banned in the first place, I'm sorry but that's litteraly NCSoft taking a fukcing piss in my face.
thedukesd
Let's move the discusion about that ban in real life.
Asuming 2 years ago in a country there was a law that was sentence anyone for doing something to 10 years of jail, now after 2 years that law has been abrogated or just changed. Should the ones convicted based on that law released or not (2 cases here the law was abrogated, the law was only changed)?
Asuming 2 years ago in a country there was a law that was sentence anyone for doing something to 10 years of jail, now after 2 years that law has been abrogated or just changed. Should the ones convicted based on that law released or not (2 cases here the law was abrogated, the law was only changed)?
Mireles
Lol, i don't see how people can argue that this makes LoDA easier when we haven't even seen the exp possibility from those quests... It was necessary to add a playable route to achieve this title, servers are not always stable enough to keep you connected 8 hours without attention to death level 500 exp... nor are peoples internet connection.... These daily quests offer a playable route to accomplish this title which is a whole lot more interactive then leaving your comp on over night..... i don't see how people can complain about this.... this will breath new life into the playability of "pre" since you can now have both survivor and LoDA.. theoretically
Killed u man
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Let's move the discusion about that ban in real life.
Asuming 2 years ago in a country there was a law that was sentence anyone for doing something to 10 years of jail, now after 2 years that law has been abrogated or just changed. Should the ones convicted based on that law released or not (2 cases here the law was abrogated, the law was only changed)? |
It was only after 2 weeks the policy changed into "moving people to Post-Searing".
And then I got banned...
So clearly, NCSoft went by the reasoning of: "Whatever policy is currently valid is the one any violations (including ones that happened before the policy change) get treated by accordingly.".
So going by that reasoning, since it's legal to have both titles now, and it's still no banable offence to have bought tomes in Pre-Searing (I can link to Gaile's post if you want to), I didn't break any rules according to current standings. I never broken any rules according to previous policies (as LS + LDoA was never a violation) and I most definatly never hacked the game.
There is no grounds on keeping me banned, aside from the "Were NCSoft and we can do whatever we want", and that's the card they've been playing out for the past 2 and a half year against me. Well, if this update comes to be true, I will be extremely offended for reasons explained in this post.
inscribed
all title should be attainable by any character at any time, as long as the player is willing to put in the work!
Davros Uitar
Well it seems to me you did something that was wrong and you stayed in pre to abuse it because there was a lure there - to be original - to do what no-one had done before - to beat the system and glorify yourself.
Seems to me there should be more "takin some blimmin responsibility for you actions" instead of so much "QQ me why me why me".
As to changes to LDOA - I may go finish off my monk and get this now. Will certainly go see what the new quest chains are like
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Seems to me there should be more "takin some blimmin responsibility for you actions" instead of so much "QQ me why me why me".
As to changes to LDOA - I may go finish off my monk and get this now. Will certainly go see what the new quest chains are like
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Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
I could say exactly the same thing about me buying the tome in the first place. When I bought the tome, buying and selling these items was completely legal. (Not even borderline).
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You were given a chance: buying them isn't illegal per se, but people were asked to remove the anomalies following the bug exploitation. You ignored this. You got banned.
Pinkest One
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Originally Posted by Hobbs
The title came a long time after the first person made it to level 20.
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I helped him(some) hit level 20.
Maybe Chrisworld will recall the thread/character?
Edit: I remember it now! It was God Anti Powers!
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt
How is purchasing items obtained through bug exploitation and VOLOUNTARILY ignoring warning about use of these item "not even borderline illegal"?!
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If we can't even take Anet for their word, then what the hell are we supposed to do?
Again, you're one of those people that believe that anyone who gets traded duped items (even if they don't know they're duped) should get banned, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I only posted here as a general outlet. No reason to keep on your crusade of trying to get everyone who ever got slightly involved with exploiting (knowingly or unknowngly) banned.
BadgerznPie
LDoA is so mainstream now. I was listening to them WAY before everyone else.
lemming
I think you've all had your say about Borat's ban now. Get back on topic.
MArcSinus
Great, they completely devalued my precious LDoA title and made GWAMM even easier, horrible ANet, horrible...
hardened hump
they should have given people who completed the title before the update "Legendary Martyr (or Sadomasochist) of Ascalon" and made it mutually exclusive in hom with the new post update title correctly named "Defender" of Ascalon. Of course, people who were close to but did not get the title before the update would still complain but oh well 
dancing gnome
It was never hard. It was boring repetitive and bad for your power bill and the environment. The added quest is a huge boon for the pre-searing players. Embrace it.
gremlin
I love it when people complain about game changes that make it easier to get a title that they achieved by the original and more tortuous method.
Last night I drank all my alcohol and got to 5000 points, with 3 point shots I was getting about 1000 points in 4 minutes.
That's the ale hound in under 1 hour if your finger stands up to it.
Now that's exponentially faster than the original method and so annoys some.
Does this undervalue the achievements of those who obtained the titles before the update ?
Depends on why they got the title, if they got it to brag to others about how great they are then yes its undervalued.
If they got the title because they themselves wanted the challenge and the title then no its not undervalued at all.
You know how you got it and that is all that matters.
Last night I drank all my alcohol and got to 5000 points, with 3 point shots I was getting about 1000 points in 4 minutes.
That's the ale hound in under 1 hour if your finger stands up to it.
Now that's exponentially faster than the original method and so annoys some.
Does this undervalue the achievements of those who obtained the titles before the update ?
Depends on why they got the title, if they got it to brag to others about how great they are then yes its undervalued.
If they got the title because they themselves wanted the challenge and the title then no its not undervalued at all.
You know how you got it and that is all that matters.
matter of time
Good job anet. Ulimately you have done sth with this sick title. Death levleling was one of most insane concepts used in game. Now the title will give many persons some motivation to obtain it and they will have some fun instead of frustration, masochism and huge bills for electricity.
tmakinen
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Does this undervalue the achievements of those who obtained the titles before the update ?
Depends on why they got the title, if they got it to brag to others about how great they are then yes its undervalued. If they got the title because they themselves wanted the challenge and the title then no its not undervalued at all. You know how you got it and that is all that matters. |
Actually, I might now actually finish my LDoA that I dropped at level 17+ to save electricity when the HoM calculator came out and I saw that I was already way past the mark with 36 maxed titles.
Altogether, two thumbs up for the update. The titles are there to give people something to do. Even a cursory assessment should point out that using titles to gain e-peen is an excercise in absolute vanity.
Linksys
I didn't read all the updates for Pre-Searing or all the replies in this thread. But I'll chime in on how I feel about titles like LDoA taking a lot less time to achieve.
From what I read so far, it looks like people can get this title a lot quicker now. I've never gotten this title before and I was kinda interested in getting it. But now I'm not as interested. I admit, I wanted to be one of the few who has the title on display hanging out in the Pre-Searing outposts. But now that there will be many, it's not as special anymore.
If I had that title long ago, I would have had my fun being in the outposts and maybe getting the occasional whisper of amazement from someone. If that was the case, I'd be kind of upset with this new update since those times would be pretty much over. The reason I'd probably feel that way is because of how long it would take to get that title.
But with the Legendary Survivor title, I feel the other way because it doesn't necessarily take that long to get the title. I got this title early on and enjoyed it a lot. I've had whispers and comments in chat about it. In guild chat and team chat. This was back when the title was new. Now there are faster ways to get the title. And this new update means every character out there can get this title. When I got the title, it took a while, but not too long. So because of that, I feel that I had my fun and I'm okay with that being over now.
The LDoA title is, I mean was so extraordinary and I can understand the upset from people who got this title the long, hard, grueling way.
From what I read so far, it looks like people can get this title a lot quicker now. I've never gotten this title before and I was kinda interested in getting it. But now I'm not as interested. I admit, I wanted to be one of the few who has the title on display hanging out in the Pre-Searing outposts. But now that there will be many, it's not as special anymore.
If I had that title long ago, I would have had my fun being in the outposts and maybe getting the occasional whisper of amazement from someone. If that was the case, I'd be kind of upset with this new update since those times would be pretty much over. The reason I'd probably feel that way is because of how long it would take to get that title.
But with the Legendary Survivor title, I feel the other way because it doesn't necessarily take that long to get the title. I got this title early on and enjoyed it a lot. I've had whispers and comments in chat about it. In guild chat and team chat. This was back when the title was new. Now there are faster ways to get the title. And this new update means every character out there can get this title. When I got the title, it took a while, but not too long. So because of that, I feel that I had my fun and I'm okay with that being over now.
The LDoA title is, I mean was so extraordinary and I can understand the upset from people who got this title the long, hard, grueling way.
Linksys
Now for the solution of the issue of characters in Post Searing not being able to go back and get the LDoA title. How about making the title account-wide like the treasure and wisdom and other titles? Get it on one character, and you get it on them all. I know, there are people who did it the long, grueling way on more than one character. And if that was the case with me, I'd be upset too. But I really believe in the principle, or rather the ideal as it seems to at least be, that all titles should be available to all characters. I don't mean make all titles account-wide. But make the character-only titles available to all characters. Meaning they can always be worked on.
Which is the case except for the LDoA title.
The only exception, which I can understand, is PvP characters. They can't get like Sunspear titles or others like that but that's a PvP thing so it doesn't matter there.
Which is the case except for the LDoA title.
The only exception, which I can understand, is PvP characters. They can't get like Sunspear titles or others like that but that's a PvP thing so it doesn't matter there.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Coast
u use 2accounts for it and have a skill named rebirth
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L20 Survivor + LDoA was possible since day 1 of GW (thats it, if titles existed.)
cataphract
I shall use myself as an example.
I am not lazy to achieve the title I'd just like to play the game not AFK it.
I wouldn't do any of it. It's pure masochism.
Hero rank and skill have parted ways long ago.
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- I would rather grind HA for my hero 12 than do LDoA
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- someone else who sucks at PvP might be unable to get their r12 but might have the dedication to go for LDoA
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fires element
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u use 2accounts for it and have a skill named rebirth
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FengShuiDove
I have Survivor, and I have no problem with the new method. In fact, I love it.
I have Ale Hound, obtained slowly, never using an autoclicker, mostly just popping one during VQs, and I have no problem with the new method.
I have a level 16 Pre-Searing character that's been sitting there for years, and I have no problem with the new method. I'm excited to finally finish that stupid title.
The reason they fixed these titles isn't because they were "too hard," it was because they were BROKEN. Survivor was always extremely frustrating for me, and although Drunkard wasn't ever an issue cause I took it slow, I can understand the change. LDoA was worse than these.
Think about it, if they were in the business of changing "hard" titles, they'd let us add TH/W at r4 or so, or change the requirements for a Champion point to be any GvG.
I fully support the changes.
I have Ale Hound, obtained slowly, never using an autoclicker, mostly just popping one during VQs, and I have no problem with the new method.
I have a level 16 Pre-Searing character that's been sitting there for years, and I have no problem with the new method. I'm excited to finally finish that stupid title.
The reason they fixed these titles isn't because they were "too hard," it was because they were BROKEN. Survivor was always extremely frustrating for me, and although Drunkard wasn't ever an issue cause I took it slow, I can understand the change. LDoA was worse than these.
Think about it, if they were in the business of changing "hard" titles, they'd let us add TH/W at r4 or so, or change the requirements for a Champion point to be any GvG.
I fully support the changes.
Frizzles
Same as the above, except I was half way with death levelling. My character in pre is like 3.5 years old though.
To compensate for all those players who got this "the hard way". Just add a title to hours played. Because it's practically the same.
To compensate for all those players who got this "the hard way". Just add a title to hours played. Because it's practically the same.
Coast
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One of necromancer quests was bugged and gave xp after you handed over quest object but before you completed it. you could just abandoing it and retake it.
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EPO Bot
The old ldoa title was proof of nothing else then a disturbing level of nerdyness. Seriously: Those people need help.
Reformed
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The old ldoa title was proof of nothing else then a disturbing level of nerdyness. Seriously: Those people need help.
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The tediousness of the title and laziness are what stopped people before at least be honest about it. Really a shame that what was a relatively rare title will become more common but the net positive is a renewed interest in presearing.
Whiplashr
Damnit I can't believe they did this. Especially the Survivor changes.
I have 10 Legendary Survivors. 10. One of each class. And I didn't do any boxing or other shortcuts. They were all played conventionally with tons of elite skill hunting on "double experience for elite capture" weekends.
Each character took between 60-100 hours. I took all of them through very difficult missions to get to areas where they could get skill caps. All of them were up to the Ring of Fire in Prophecies, The Desolation in Nightfall, and the last mission of Factions, BEFORE I got the title. The last three of them were even halfway through EotN BEFORE they got the title.
I was very proud of this accomplishment. It was challenging, and I felt like I really earned them. I had many close calls, and many character restarts.
And now, it's all worthless, as every freaking character in the game will have Legendary Survivor now.
And now you can get LDoA and Survivor at the same time? The anal/completionist in me feels now that my characters are tainted by not getting that title as well.
Pathetic, Anet. I'm disgusted with you.
I'm sorry if I'm out of line here, but I'm thoroughly disgusted.
I have 10 Legendary Survivors. 10. One of each class. And I didn't do any boxing or other shortcuts. They were all played conventionally with tons of elite skill hunting on "double experience for elite capture" weekends.
Each character took between 60-100 hours. I took all of them through very difficult missions to get to areas where they could get skill caps. All of them were up to the Ring of Fire in Prophecies, The Desolation in Nightfall, and the last mission of Factions, BEFORE I got the title. The last three of them were even halfway through EotN BEFORE they got the title.
I was very proud of this accomplishment. It was challenging, and I felt like I really earned them. I had many close calls, and many character restarts.
And now, it's all worthless, as every freaking character in the game will have Legendary Survivor now.
And now you can get LDoA and Survivor at the same time? The anal/completionist in me feels now that my characters are tainted by not getting that title as well.
Pathetic, Anet. I'm disgusted with you.
I'm sorry if I'm out of line here, but I'm thoroughly disgusted.
Whiplashr
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I love it when people complain about game changes that make it easier to get a title that they achieved by the original and more tortuous method.
Last night I drank all my alcohol and got to 5000 points, with 3 point shots I was getting about 1000 points in 4 minutes. That's the ale hound in under 1 hour if your finger stands up to it. Now that's exponentially faster than the original method and so annoys some. Does this undervalue the achievements of those who obtained the titles before the update ? Depends on why they got the title, if they got it to brag to others about how great they are then yes its undervalued. If they got the title because they themselves wanted the challenge and the title then no its not undervalued at all. You know how you got it and that is all that matters. |
When it's devalued to such easy means of achievement, then it no longer carries that same prestige. No one else knows how you did it, and of course part of the appeal of getting titles is to show off your skills. If you think that's wrong, I think you don't understand human nature. Or hold to some ridiculously idealistic view on how people should feel about their own achievements.
These titles now are worthless.
Shadowspawn X
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The old ldoa title was proof of nothing else then a disturbing level of nerdyness. Seriously: Those people need help.
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Lasai
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Damnit I can't believe they did this. Especially the Survivor changes.
I have 10 Legendary Survivors. 10. One of each class. And I didn't do any boxing or other shortcuts. They were all played conventionally with tons of elite skill hunting on "double experience for elite capture" weekends. Each character took between 60-100 hours. I took all of them through very difficult missions to get to areas where they could get skill caps. All of them were up to the Ring of Fire in Prophecies, The Desolation in Nightfall, and the last mission of Factions, BEFORE I got the title. The last three of them were even halfway through EotN BEFORE they got the title. I was very proud of this accomplishment. It was challenging, and I felt like I really earned them. I had many close calls, and many character restarts. And now, it's all worthless, as every freaking character in the game will have Legendary Survivor now. And now you can get LDoA and Survivor at the same time? The anal/completionist in me feels now that my characters are tainted by not getting that title as well. Pathetic, Anet. I'm disgusted with you. I'm sorry if I'm out of line here, but I'm thoroughly disgusted. |
Accomplishment is intrinsic. Almost every title in this game can be cheesed.
You are rightfully proud of how YOU did things.. and that is all that matters.
Reformed
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So now people get LDoA in a day?
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You are rightfully proud of how YOU did things.. and that is all that matters.
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I'd also add that I think Presearing.com kept the list of the oldschool people they recorded before the update. Just take comfort in the knowledge that you did it the old way and let it go. Everybody knows it's cheap now.
Shadowspawn X
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I know this is speculated because of the fact that you can farm mobs making the quest reward itself meaningless but has anyone actually done this yet? If so then lol Stumme, you really screwed the pooch on parity.
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