LDoA More Painful!

Back in the days, when Factions was released and titles were introduced, I was a member of the second alliance that held Cavalon ever. That implied weeks and weeks of mindless FFing - understand: running the 'supplies' quest. I managed to get the r2 title (today's r4 title), and I'm sure at that time there were only a few hundreds players who had it.

Then they changed the title: the old rank 1 became the new rank 2, the old rank 2 became the new rank 4, etc. They nerfed the run for the supplies quests, they multiplied the amount of factions gained in FA and AB by... a lot. They changed JQ so everybody would like to do it. Yeah, everything changed. That was not just one daily added as for the Guardian of Ascalon title.

Then suddenly, everybody had a Luxon/Kurzik title. Do you think anyone complained? Do you think the first day FFers complained? No. We actually enjoyed it. Not only because we finally had something else to do than those stupid quests, but also because achieving these titles was finally possible.

Just so you know, at this time we owned Cavalon with 4 millions factions. How many factions do you need now to take control of it? That alone means how hard faction farming, and getting the titles associated, was.

So no, I won't complain for the Ascalon title, just as I didn't complain for the allegiance titles, for the sole reason they changed something incredibly boring into something that could eventually be fun. And the fact those titles lost their uniqueness doesn't matter IMM: I don't wanna be superman. I just wanna play a game I enjoy.

I love how people are "angry" over the change over LDoA title. I hope people realize that the title made Guild Wars look like a total joke. Guild Wars is one of two video games that I know which actually rewards players for going AFK for hours at a time.

I want somebody to seriously show me any other video game, past or present, where the objective was to die a whole bunch of times, and then the player would be given some equivalent to a statue in a Hall of Monuments. I have seen silly achievement unlocks and even in-game titles for dying excessively, but those games actually required that you had to be playing the game to get it. Guild Wars is the only game that I know where leaving the computer and letting monsters kill you repeatedly results in a maximum title reward that is equal in prestige as Legendary Vanquisher. This is a maximum title which you earn by not playing the game and having no skill whatsoever.

The only thing that I'm mad about this change is why the heck it took so long to implement.

Coraline couldn't have said it better.

So many whiners. I see a lot of activity again, and I think that's a plus.

Seeing as how it requires no skill whatsoever to finish it's safe to say you maxed it already and we can all look forward to a screenshot, right?

I'll never forget the joy when I maxed my LDoA after weeks of deathleveling (got the title in 2 months) and my survivor after some tries by not paying attention.

You can ruin those titles ANet by making the game easier but you can never ever take my joy and fond memories away!

*sigh* time to change titles I guess and putting max wisdom up again, guess we only have 3 prestigious titles left in this damn game.

can understand ppl being upset to the title changes . me and survor title dont go toghter well lol, I allways die.

Interested now to go back to pre and start a new toon for that title as allways loved pre didnt like death leveling, thought that was just to stupid to do and not really in the titles reward, ledgendary " dead all the time" dosn't do it for me.


With the ppl that have achieved so much before this nerf why cant Anet do one thing which should be simple and logical. reward these ppls achevments with a specal title, eg make the title in bold gold letters to say wow this person did it the hard way. Or give a specal mini of some sort to say acheved GWAMM the oldfasion way.

think all the ppl who have dedicated so much effort deserved to be reconised.

cheers

I got LDoA through Death Leveling and I do feel ripped off by this new update. As Im sure those who maxed their Drunkard title the hard way also feel robbed.

I also see how this is the right direction for the game to go.

After reading Goddess Charmaine's comment about the people achieved their titles the hard/old fashioned way, I would definitely have to agree that "people who have dedicated so much effort deserved to be recognized."

A different colored text would be a great idea. Just something to show that "hey... I did this back when it was more difficult"

It does devalue the title for me. I chose to get the title in the first place because I do love the lore that surrounds Ascalon specifically.

And lo.. the mighty Hero did remove his armor and weapons, while the fearsome Charr smote him down, and smote him down, and smote him down, and smote him down, (hours pass) and smote him down...............

And the legend was born. Great story.

I don't.

Sorry everyone, but deathleveling didn't require anything big. Sure, you had to learn to pull the charr. Sure, it took a while to get it done properly - but after 20 runs, you should be an expert. Sure, it took 30 min to set up the shrine... whoah, 30 min!

I intended to get LDoA a few months ago, but i realised how crappy my connection was (thankfully changed the ISP already). It wouldn't stay alive for 3h in the early morning, not to mention 10+h at night. Moreso, my computer runs into infinite loops, generated by crappy GPU not liking CPU too much. Is it my fault? I practically wouldn't be able to set my toon AFK for 10h due to technical issues - either the computer would lock up or the connection would die.
As soon as i saw the change, i started a new toon. I just want LDoA for fun of staying in pre and doing something there, instead of constant dying.
I don't feel robbed by neither survivor nor drunkard changes. Even though i had to max Kurzicks to get GWAMM on my main and believe me, it took more playtime effort than just setting up for deathleveling.


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Not to mention that you STILL can deathlevel mobs. Moreso, if you get lucky with daily quests, you might be able to start with 10+ mobs instead of level 8 charr. So you can BOTH farm the new mobs/quests during the day and then deathlevel them during the night, for even more xp, making your title gain still faster than others.

I know you and another guildie of ours spent quite some time buying unIDs, but how exactly is buying unIDs prestigious?

According to a poster on pre-sear it's now possible to do LDoA in 6 hours by just farming the mobs spawned from the quests. The fact that you can do both is moot when the time to max now takes less than one death level cycle.

The real prestige title in there will be Survivor now, oh the irony.

going off topic here but whats the other videogame?

You're correct, it was the only way. A way which I knew would be very time consuming when I originally decided to get LDoA. Im glad they introduced this new way to make the title a lot more accessible but reading a below post of a 6-hour LDoA just disappoints me. I guess /deaths and my collection of Charr hides will suffice.

I am glad they made drunkard and LDoA less of a grind and less time consuming.

For those who already had their LDoA or Drunkard the hard way, you already know what you were in for when you started on those titles along the way. I can only assume that you really DO enjoy playing this game, and you are not treating this like a job. If you really enjoy getting drunkard and LDoA the hard way, why complain? But if you treated those titles as a sign of your e-peen "superiority" over us, simply because you don't have a life, then there is something wrong with you.

Lolwhut...Something taking no skill does not mean everyone is inclined to do it, particularly if it offers virtually no reward. I could easily have LDoA but I'd rather not leave my PC on overnight/all day and since I only have one account, getting LDoA would preclude me from actually having fun in GW. This is not a matter of skill by any stretch of the imagination.

It doesn't require skill, it only requires lots and lots of TIME which means you must have a real lifestyle that has no responsibilities and no life either that or you cheated. Any title that requires you to play like a mindless bot probably doesn't need skill because a good player would beat any bot.

I have known people who have botted their way through those kinds of titles. Are the titles hard to do? Of course not! Just because I have a job and a family doesn't necessarily imply that a kid who has more time in his hands is ALWAYS more skillful since he can grind more by double clicking on alcohol repeatedly in a game every minute while I am working away. Those titles do not demonstrate skill, only grind. The most I would give you, if you have achieved them legitly, is dedication, not skill.

This particular combination of either/or is used so frequently around here when someone doesn't have something in the game and is jealous (most commonly wealth or items) it might as well be a trope. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about if you think this ate so much time it was impossible to function normally. It required a maximum of 2 hours total play time a day and then not even in one sitting unless you felt like bs'ing with guildies/friends.

One thing must be made clear:

Time invested =/= effort.
Some things make take more effort than others, even if they take less time.
Paying a gatemonkey and letting youself die for hours had next to no effort.

Now that we can get Survivor down there, killing an 6 Undead Necromancers and their servants without dying, now that takes more effort.

Killing yourself is easy. Staying alive, that's harder.

I keep trying to see the logic of people that say the title was prestigious back in the day. prestigious for pulling a mob of sub level 15's to a shrine to have them level so they can kill you over and over while you are reading a book or playing another game? huh?

To see all the people complain about this better method of getting LDoA have little to no understanding of fun and enjoyable game design

Me jealous of a kid who has no job and no life while clicking on an alcohol icon every minute like a mindless bot?

I don't even care if it is only half an hour total play time. Play time is for PLAYING (i.e. having fun doing the things I enjoy doing), not to act like a stupid bot doing the same tedious non-challenging things over and over just so you can wear an e-peen title that nobody, but yourself, cares about.

LDoA and Drunkard used to be bot-friendly titles that promote game play that is more suitable to a bot than to human players. In fact, I know many people got those titles through bots (i.e. cheating). With this update, they have now become more human-friendly which they should have been from the beginning.

Clicking a mouse and pressing keys on your keyboard? When you break it down thats what "playing" is.

@Daesu, Drunkard wasn't done with a bot it was done with an autoclicker and...you still can. In fact it would be even easier to do so since it's straight inventory clicks as fast as you can without crashing the client. The new LDoA is sped up by farming mobs produced by the new quests which are the bread and butter of bots. Honestly, I'm not sure where you were going with any of this.

If you still don't get it, I am supporting the current update for LDoA and Drunkard.

ANet did a good job this time, and I would like to see more of such updates from them.

Hello everyone,

I state that I have acquired the title of Defender a few years ago, I almost completed drunkard and Survivor. The change of these titles I do not mind:

Drunkard I liked how it was before I have to used the beer while traveling or domain, in plus it seems more "realistic" the old method to capture the title of drunkard over right now: spend time staying drunk for to do Drunkard (in my opinion) is much more realistic than drink 100 beers in 1 minute.
Survivor I tried to do, I had to recreate the characters to be able to acquire (lag, connection loss, distraction)and I regret now that you can retake after death. But since the time to get has not changed, I are happy with the change after all.
Legendary Defender of Ascalon I have acquired, as I wrote a few years ago and the new proposed changes makes me glad, make it more attractive and less tedious and (in part) more "realistic."
However, I believe that there should be recognition for those who have acquired prior to March 3, something like a star or a symbol next to the writing of the person who shows or as previously written a different color.

To acquire this title it took me 1500 hours while studying and working , my connection was not good and often I have lost it and had to redo, or as often happened to me at that time than at home (for technical defects) there were blackout, so most of the progress I made it according to look at the computer monitor while studying careful restore the connection as soon as possible in the case cease.
Those who ill thinking say that I write this conceit for vainglory but is not the case: my experience to perhaps acquire DLoA lasted more or less than other players but this is not important, I and other people who have acquired this title ONLY WAY HOW CAN DECIDED by Arena NET (before March 3) we have put dedication and willpower to get something for five years has never shown signs of change, rather the contrary, the certainty that it would not be changed, although often this title there have been calls for suggestions, requests for change to improve it and make it less tedious e-mail invite reflection on the incongruity between the name of the title and how to acquire it (Legendary Defender of Ascalon = die 100000 times to make evolve the Charr) does not have never yielded any sign of change.

In my opinion as they have blocked the acquisition of the title of Commander, but they left the display to those who had completed, all or part, they should give(do not say stop this and create another title, it would seem foolish) a minimum sign of appreciation for who did it with dedication.

Thanks for reading,
Have a nice day.

In response to this and similar ideas, right here would be a fine place to have had your pre-update LDoA title recorded.
The subset of players who care already know who got it the hard way, so what's the fuss about?

I had done drunkard before and I was around half another one - and thank goodness!

I hated to have keep opening the inventory/checking how many minutes had passed before drinking again, while vanquish.

LDoA was a stupid title - now I might actually roll a pre char.

Not all the players know or are enrolled in the pre-searing community (I am one of those), how can we prove that we got DLoA before the update?

My point was that you should have done so already.
Now you've missed your chance.

I have no idea how someone could spend so much time in presearing and deathlevel for the LDoA title without once getting curious and finding the presearing website.

Head over and check the list. I'm not part of that community either (used it once to buy a +AR v Charr shield many years ago and long since seared) yet they found me anyways.

Edit: Sorry, link.

Yesterday pre quest was nice cause you could had farmed exp fast. I made a movie with my warrior: movie (this is actually a not so good run, but I only found one single free application that allowed me to make this movie, the rest were limiting the record time or there were artefacts after artefacts or were not recording a single thing, as you can see in the movie my framerate is not a really good one in normal condition i have 75 fps limited by vsync) (actually this was the last run were I could had made a movie with the imp). Since they added the daily quest my warrior got from lvl 16 to lvl 20 . This title was a dead project for more then 1 year, the frustration of seeing in the morning that I got again disconected over night it was more then I could handle so I just set low priority on this project, this changed with the daily quests to high priority ( now she needs a heavy equipment pack ).

The title should have never been introduced anyway, because... Ascalon still gets destroyed.

Not if you are a true perma pre searing character You live in total, relative, kinda, sorta bliss.

I just wanted to say that I thoroughly enjoyed today's bounty. Killing a high ranking charr officer in the deep Northlands just spells epic all over.

Not knowing how diffcult these Vanguard Quests would be i teamed up (with a random player) for the one from yesterday and today.

For the yesterday one, i got the impression doing it solo would be a good/big challenge, if thats what u want.
Otherwise, with 2 players it wasnt to diffcult.
The one today, me and the other player steamrolled through the Northlands
Though, we both had a pet, and used a Fire Imp.

These VQ puts some life back in Pre, wich is nice.
They also encourage somthing i never held possible, to really want/need to team up with another player in Pre!

Lucky and Unlucky anyone? Even with the Clover and Lockpicks changes, it's still an AFK title all the way. I hope they are next up on the update block.

On another note, I'm not big on the LDoA change. It's still grind, no matter how you look at it. Setting it up to be achieved through a vanquish of Pre-Searing would have made better sense in the "Legendary Defender" part. I had one character who I worked to build up enough to take out every foe in Pre-Sear solo. That took time and effort worthy of a title, I think.

Hanok

That's why i just used fiancee's account as a gatemonkey and went there solo, no pets or imps included. More fun this way.

lets see..dis 1 ..full (6 dis) in pre.
so U way off op.
pre is more alive now

since when lvl 3-10 foes are hard to solo?

Sorry but thats a ridiculous idea. So many titles have been changed over the years to make them easier without any kind of special treatment so i don't really see why such a terrible title as LDoA should.

I have most titles and a number have been made easier now but i don't care and i don't want any special marking or text to show when i did them. I did them for me not for e-peen.

As for the drunkard change ,overdue but it would have been nice to have been changed before i did mine but it doesnt mean mine is any better than anyone elses.