DoA and FoW with heroes

Sweet, that settles it. No more HM for me, for now. I'll just take HM Foundry as a partial win and be happy with that. If you can beat HM Foundry, it's fair game that you can beat the rest of the areas, though any DoA area in HM takes effort. It took me weeks to beat HM foundry, myself. While beating the entire area in one go without the use of cons, SY, or a dedicated tank might be a challenge to some, I thought about it and realized that it's honestly just a waste of effort to spend 4-5 hours on it. It's not much fun, either. :/

After some practice, I can go through both Gloom and City without too much stress in HM, but if you want to actually earn something from it, FR NM is better. Veil and Foundry are just too problematic for any casual runs. I don't believe there's any build that doesn't rely on gimmicks of a sort to make it through those casually (note, that concerns hero builds - with players, anything can be casual with the right players). I first thought I could manage it easily - then I backtracked and stuck with NM. :P Even NM foundry still punishes mistakes if you try to rush, as I've found out many times thinking it was going so easy.

On a side note, though, I am going to see about a dual player team to do a mini-sc with heroes.. R/A and an E/Mo to clear in <1h15, possibly? I'll work it out.

Can someone explain 'the door trick'?

I've had just one (failed) attempt to kill Mallyx with 7H. I disabled hexes and enchantments on all my heroes, went into the chamber, aggroed Mallyx and thought I was doing OK, getting his health down steadily, then the first wave of his sidekicks spawned and it was all over fairly quickly after that. It was a bit disheartening because I thought I'd done so well with the 18 waves of enemies that charged in while the High Priest was doing his stuff. So, if there is some sort of 'trick' I would really like to know! During the last wave needed to defend the priest flag your heroes when the battle is almost over and go where the gate opens, enter the gate asap after the wave is killed, and skip the cinematic as fast as you can. You will be able to get out of the room before the door closes, you will then be free to fight mallyx without the nasty souls effects and avoiding the spawns of margonites/tormentors.

Hi guys, I just restart playing gw after one year and I am really interested in doing doa with 7 heroes. Can u please give me the best build to use for my heores and also to me ( i can both use an assasin or a warrior ) and can u tell me if there is a guide to doing it or if u can give me some advice. thakns "Best" is a matter of opinion.There are plenty of threads regarding hero teambuilds so a quick search would do no harm at all.

"Best" is a matter of opinion.There are plenty of threads regarding hero teambuilds so a quick search would do no harm at all. The fastest teambuild is the best ...

Imo, anyway.

The fastest teambuild is the best ...

Imo, anyway. What if someone isn't going for speed?

*sigh* i'm feeling really hopeless about doing doa foundry on nm. yes.. nm i am having a hard time -_-. i've tried a lot of builds, but to no luck, i have been wiping. i have a majority of the build skills and have all heros unlocked. i try to play it cautious with flagging and pulling, but one stupid mistake can really screw things up.

it's really annoying cause my main is an ele. i've tried jeydra's build, and did fine at some points.. , but i seemed to die a couple of times. i don't know if i am even playing it "right". even though as an ele, i find that i have to be the one to tank more for the party, just running around and stuff. i don't want to be too close to the heros or we would all get aoed. since the build doesn't have armor of unfeeling, i have to preserve them enough to where they survive enough to do damage.

i sometimes get that problem where i end up tanking, and i flag my heros too far from me where they don't start attacking when i need them too. i also have stupid pulling problems where i try to pull mobs and they start running away. perhaps i need to flag my heros a bit closer them? it is also annoying when i pull mobs and they ignore the spirits, me and head straight to attacking my heros.

also, are there any tips on how to avoid total party wipes such as knowing when to back out after "x" number of heros start dying? i try to avoid builds that require a lot of micromanaging, and i don't want my ele build to be the e/mo for the heros.

i hope foundry is the hardest out of the mallyx quest... if i ever beat it, i can be at ease in the other areas. i just want to complete the quest to get the conqueror title and be done with it. Don't be discouraged. Foundry HM is one of the hardest areas in the game, while Foundry NM isn't easy either. With enough effort you CAN finish it. Believe you can, because I've done it.

One single mistake can screw up a run, so you have to learn to not make that single mistake. There's no other way around it, unfortunately. You could bring consumables to smoothen any mistakes (I've not used them for quite a while, but I wouldn't be surprised if you can survive a double aggro with them). Res Scrolls as well. But otherwise be prepared to fail.

I'm not sure which build you are referring to when you mentioned my build. If you mean the one with myself as Searing Flames with a "They're on Fire!" Paragon and a Ranger ... well ... that build is, frankly, pretty terrible. It was a glorious innovation right when 7H was new, and it is to my knowledge the first build ever to clear Foundry HM with Elementalist primary, but from the vantage point of 9 months on it leaves a lot to be desired. I've been putting some standard hero builds through trial by fire in Foundry HM, and although I never finished, I'm fairly convinced that with enough precision play it can be done. Especially if you're in NM, use standard builds.

Another thing to note about my builds is that I'm a highly offensive player, and will happily sacrifice defense to squeeze as much offensive power out of a build as possible, compensating for wipes with better play before changing the build. If you're using or adapting my builds for general play (not this SF build though, this one is heavily specialized to Foundry HM), you might want to slot in more defense. Certainly having a ST Ritualist and an Ineptitude Mesmer will make doing HM Foundry easier. You sacrifice some killing speed, but completion is more important. If you feel you need Armour of Unfeeling, by all means use it!

Otherwise solutions to:

Flagging your heroes too far to the back - cancel all hero flags while calling a target to attack. For sure, only do this if you are confident you will not overaggro. Otherwise you risk wiping. If you are not confident you will not overaggro, wait for the mob to go back to wherever it was patrolling and move heroes forward before trying another pull.

Pulling mobs but they run away instead of fighting - this can be because of a couple of things. If they don't even attack you but just start running away, chances are it's a very long patrol at the end of its patrol range, and you've been trying to pull it. The aggro gets a little buggy then, and they just run away when you hit them. In this case you should reset their patrol (they'll go back to patrolling after your pull) and try again as normal. Otherwise chances are they've hit the end of their aggro range and are moving back. In this case you either continue to hit them and see if they can pull further (sometimes they do), or you flag heroes a bit closer and try again.

Dying - in general, watch your party bars. Hero deaths are not a good indicator because it's entirely possible that a hero gets spiked out by "accident" (e.g. 5 Charr Stalkers aiming Dual Shot at him simultaneously and he dies). Instead look at your party bars. If you are dying, the party bars will be moving up and down a lot. You cannot stay alive indefinitely when this is happening, and you should hit "Fall Back!" and run. Another good indicator: you've lost most or all of your minions. In harder areas you have little time between beginning to take damage and actually dying, so not much of a window to disengage there.

Finally I don't know if you've been trying it, but do not fight the Titans in the area immediately between the second and third rooms. Head to the far corner; you can aggro mobs there one by one. You might also find it better to disable the Animate spells at this point because the minions can overaggro and you have no space to retreat. In the fifth room, everything is relatively straightforward aggro techniques. If you can pass the third and fourth rooms, it's a clear (but not easy) path to the Fury.

Good luck

That's most of the advice I can give right now - a lot of your success will come down to what you decide to do with the Discord heroes. In general, though, I'd say less defense, more offense. Imbagon + ST Prot + Minions + Panic + Illusion + Spirits + Curses + Dual Resto heals is already a massive amount of defense, and probably a lot more than you need. If you drop some of it and focus on killing things more efficiently, your team will be able to alleviate pressure on itself more quickly, and it'll probably balance out in the end. Thanks! I'm about to try the changes you suggested. Except leaving one of the necros out, because If I change Razah to Mesmer, I'll lose one Rit, leaving me with only one. Or should I use one of the necros to fill in the missing rit role?