The Best Way to Combine Discord, Spirit, Mes Ways

No, the strength of Necros was that you could bring the whole kitchen sink with only three Hero bars. Sabway was about packing healing, prots, minions and curse support - all with good attribute points - and have plenty of energy management. Discordway was basically the same, except more support and more focus on spike damage.

That versatility used to be necessary, because of the limited skill sets you could control. Now? You're basically sacrificing effectiveness for versatility that's no longer necessary.

Take the OPs Discord bars, for example. You have three heroes all sharing the same roles, heals and prots split across 4 separate bars, all to have 3 copies of a bad Elite kill (not to mention sacrificing the player bar to fuel the whole thing).

Put AotL on the Minion Master, add in a dedicated healer, and voila, you now have the Player bar freed up, and an entire slot open for a pure DPS hero. Just remove the minion spell and the enfeebling blood on one of the N/Rt and leave just Discord and that will be the dedicated healer.

Then move putrid bile for the other N/Rt back to the minion bomber, add in enfeebling blood and/or shadow of fear, then replace all the resto heal with channeling magic or other damage spells.

Edit: Beaten by Bhavv

syg paragon is nice but it doesnt compliment the tanks for discord which are minions i found taking a st rit makes your minions really strong tanks in areas that are not aoe heavy Make the minions really strong tanks? What is the point of protecting the minions if you are intending to use death nova? What is the point of using necro heroes to exploit soul reaping if your minions don't die?

If you have used an Aotl MM, you can tell that you dont need to protect the minions for them to tank. You can keep creating new ones, feeding SR energy to all necros in your team plus more frequent death nova DPS. Discord MM is shitty with minion creation though.

Discord adds an extra 315+ armor ignoring damage every 2 seconds on top of the mesmers and spiritway, it is hugely significant, and far more powerful than running SS, a minion elite, and a restoration elite, or lame Icy Veins on top of the mesmer + rit meta. That is single target damage, not AoE. It is always easier to heal single target damage than multiple.

Furthermore, Discord requires you to prep each target with both hex and condition, before it can spike. This brings down your overall DPS, since it is not just a damage number that is important but average damage over time.

For instance, look at your necros. When a new target is picked, with so many hexes carried over many of your heroes, chances are high that your target would be hexed fast. However, you should be wishing for a jagged, ineptitude or shadowsong to hit just the right target at the right time, since your condition inflicting spells are not well distributed. If your curse necro is being stupid and decides to cast his attack spells instead of his condition inflicting spells first, then your discord spike has to wait even longer.

You can overcome these if you micro your heroes though, but most discordway users are too lazy to do so.

Anthem of Envy and "GftE!" aren't enough to justify the Commandagon in non-physway. *cough*Splinterwep*cough*.

No, the strength of Necros was that you could bring the whole kitchen sink with only three Hero bars. Sabway was about packing healing, prots, minions and curse support - all with good attribute points - and have plenty of energy management. Discordway was basically the same, except more support and more focus on spike damage.

That versatility used to be necessary, because of the limited skill sets you could control. Now? You're basically sacrificing effectiveness for versatility that's no longer necessary.

Take the OPs Discord bars, for example. You have three heroes all sharing the same roles, heals and prots split across 4 separate bars, all to have 3 copies of a bad Elite kill (not to mention sacrificing the player bar to fuel the whole thing).

Put AotL on the Minion Master, add in a dedicated healer, and voila, you now have the Player bar freed up, and an entire slot open for a pure DPS hero. I love this post. It's funny how some people already think in a GW2 manner (those who love Discordway not because of discord but because of the versatility of each bar), and how some people stick on the old fashioned way: tank/healer/DPS (or at least dedicated healer/DPS).

Yes, a monk for example will most of the time do better at healing than 2 necros with half a healer's bar each. But the thing is... Most of the teams now have up to 30 minions (or even more sometimes), 10 spirits, s*** loads of protection skills (SoYG, ToF, SY!, not to mention the Prot line), so how often do your heroes need to be healed? Yes, sometimes they do, but most of the time they don't. If you bring a dedicated healer, what will he do then when nobody needs a heal? Nothing. You've just wasted a slot. 2 heroes with a hybrid bar instead will use their offensive skills.

PS: What's the deal with AotL? It's crap on heroes: they can't use it properly, and basically, the only advantage it has is it gives you +1 Death Magic.

PS: What's the deal with AotL? It's crap on heroes: they can't use it properly, and basically, the only advantage it has is it gives you +1 Death Magic. It's true that heroes will only cast it for the buff, but it's still useful for maintaining a big army AND being able to work as a minion bomber at the same time.

(By the way, how often does Discord even get used with Ineptitude and Shadowsong as your only condition skills?) Bhavv has Enfeebling Blood (aoe weakness) and Weaken Armor (aoe cracked armor) in there also for conditions.

About "massive AOE damage," others have refuted it very well already. It's funny how people are talking like their "AOE damage" builds hit everything with the power of discords at the same time. Thats because they do.

Thats because they do. Post this build. Lets see it.

Post this build. Lets see it. We have Splinter, E-surge, Mistrust, Unatural Sig, Keystone, Overload, DN.

All of these>discord.

We have Splinter, E-surge, Mistrust, Unatural Sig, Keystone, Overload, DN.

All of these>discord. LOL, most of those skills are already in my build in the first post. As for the others, Panic > Keystone; Overload is bad on heroes. Excellent example of someone who doesn't realize Discord is 3 skills out of 64. Or was this a joke?

LOL, most of those skills are already in my build in the first post. As for the others, Panic > Keystone; Overload is bad on heroes. Excellent example of someone who doesn't realize Discord is 3 skills out of 64. Or was this a joke? 1)Panic doesn't do damage, Keystone does (You run Keystone for the damage over the rupts anyway tbh).
2)Overload is fine on heroes.
3)Discord is 3 skills out of 64 your right, of which you want spammed constantly otherwise theres no point bringing it.

Excellent example of someone who can't break away from what is essentially an inferior build.