The Best Way to Combine Discord, Spirit, Mes Ways

Recovery was only ever used on old discord because you needed more than just life to reliably power your resto junk, and it had a fast recharge and long duration. It was made well before spiritway was viable, and is completely superfluous now. If you really want a resto spirit, recup or rejuv will actually do something in your party, even if they aren't always present, they don't need to be.

The painful bond issue is twofold:

1) They are hesitent to use it if they aren't hexing 2+ targets

2) Their emanage sucks so they won't have the 15+ energy to cast it. If you have a rit primary with the two spammable resto heals and he ends up using those alot, you aren't going to see much bonding, siphon spirits has its limits for heroes that don't know to reposition themselves.

mesway imo doesnt work well with discord it may interrupt the hell out of things but its damage is low.

what i would recommend is change both mesmers to keystone spammers that way when you call a target it will function with discord in nuking a single mob faster (less time for it to get healed)

keystone will also do exactly what panic does, since keystones description says
"Your next 0...5...6 signets INTERRUPT and deal 15...51...60 damage to other foes ADJACENT to your target"

so really you would have 2 aoe interrupters for more shutdowns without down times than mesway provides

The issue is that Panic's range is much higher and that it functions as a hex for Discord. Completely shutting down a group is important when you are running a build that loses power when it's forced to spam heals.

The Panic and Inept Mesmers weaken mobs enough for each Discord spike to finish off foes in one attempt. Any more damage is mostly pointless since you are still spiking targets one at a time.

Besides, it's not like a Panic Mesmer's damage is really that bad.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Quote: The Best... Discord... alt+F4 -> uninstall

Seriously, with 7 heroes people ought to be able to do a lot better than Discord...

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon

Seriously, with 7 heroes people ought to be able to do a lot better than Discord... This. The best way to combine them is simply to not

Interesting build. Got any for Slavers' Exile? I completed the first two, but I wipe at the start of Forgewright. I was able to complete the other dungeons easily though. Only ones I haven't are Slavers' and Catacombs, but I haven't attempted the latter.

I have followed this thread with big interest. I just rutern from the game after not playing it for two years, just beacuse the 7-hero update and that I want to play trough the story again, and get som HM/Vanq titels for HoM and GW2 rewards.

I wasnnt any good when I left, and now I really don't have any clue

I have my own thread where I postet this for feedback:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/r...t10474493.html

Tha aim of tihs build was to cary two players trough all three campaigns as esaliy as possible, and also be able to get som titels with HM missions clearing and continent vanqusihing. Therefor I try to cover all angels of hex removal, shutdown, enchantment removal, condition removal and such.

After reading this thread I already see some improvments I can make, like moving resses from the N/rit healers and to the Mesmers. I'm also figuring I could ad in a second Rit instead of the third Necro, but don't know what's best.

One thing that I feel lacking from the build in the OP in this thread, is hex removal. I tought hexes where common in HM?

So what more advice should I take? And also, what other builds are there that I should look into thats not a variant of sab/discord/mes/spirt-way? People mention them but I don't undertand what they are And I'm open to buying the mercenery heros if needed.

Quote: Originally Posted by spray04

... You don't need that many heals if you replace the ineptitude mesmer with a SYG paragon. Also replacing some of the heals with debuff hexes may be better.

Quote: Originally Posted by HigherMinion

Haven't looked at "mesway" by itself, but Panic is over-rated. Keystone Signet might be better, and actually deal better damage. Alternatively... Shared Burden/Stolen Speed. Keystone works marginally better on heroes, but heroes run both Panic and Keystone poorly. They tend to waste panic on individual mobs instead of correcting targeting for groups. They do the same thing with Keystone, but it's less noticeable since the other signets are adding utility as well. If you can pull properly and hold a nice tight group you could run Panic or Keystone on a hero with better results, but it's still kind of a waste since Hero AI isn't all that great at either build.

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon

alt+F4 -> uninstall

Seriously, with 7 heroes people ought to be able to do a lot better than Discord... Agree, not sure why people stick to it - I would use Icy Veins over Discord, in general I like spells that trigger on mob death it so nice to see one mob die and then the rest explode as well.

This is my "core" build



I currently play a SoS Rit myself, the two remaining chars can be pretty much whatever you like all that is required is a hex remover.

That build will run most stuff in HM with just one healer and one protter (probably not elite areas though you really should do those with real people anyways) .

Frankly I'm surprised that the Defensive Spirit Rit isn't used more than it is, I use it with a full MM and he can still keep all three spirits up most of the time.

Discord is really boring especially after getting gwamm with it. IMHO its the lazy way out of actually being somewhat creative and it requires you to run 4 set skills which doesnt leave room for you to run much.

As for panic I can see why some ppl perfer it over keystone since panic's range is greater than keystone's. I'm actually trying atm to make a 7 hero build that uses keystone and no panic without discord. Want to keep things interesting.

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Quote: Originally Posted by majoho

Agree, not sure why people stick to it - I would use Icy Veins over Discord, in general I like spells that trigger on mob death it so nice to see one mob die and then the rest explode as well.

This is my "core" build



I currently play a SoS Rit myself, the two remaining chars can be pretty much whatever you like all that is required is a hex remover.

That build will run most stuff in HM with just one healer and one protter (probably not elite areas though you really should do those with real people anyways) .

Frankly I'm surprised that the Defensive Spirit Rit isn't used more than it is, I use it with a full MM and he can still keep all three spirits up most of the time. Well minions do soak up quite a bit of the defensive spirits health. I have used it in some of the most difficult areas of the game(if u can call them difficult at all) and he cant keep them up. I wouldn't really advise it.

Quote: Originally Posted by majoho

Agree, not sure why people stick to it - I would use Icy Veins over Discord Icy veins deals no damage in HM, cause it is not armor ignoring.

IMO I rather remove discord and put in a Shared Burden Mesmer.

Quote: Originally Posted by Washi

Icy veins deals no damage in HM, cause it is not armor ignoring. -sigh- HM doesn't mean you don't deal any damage whatsoever. I, and others I know, have run IV in Urgoz HM. If it did 0 damage, there would be no point in taking it at all.

My boyfriend and I had fun the other week on our Necros with my 3 necro heroes thrown in the party for good measure. We were running the following:

Me: SS + various other curses
Him: Flesh Golem + arcane mimicry (to steal AotL for uber lulz)
MoW: AotL + prots
Olias: Discord + resto
Livia: IV + heals
Keiran: BiP + support skills (no, he doesn't sac himself to death)
Norgu: PI + other interrupts
Xandra: SoS spammer

Absolutely tore Factions up in stupid times. People forget that Necros have more than 3/4 elites :P

Don't get me wrong, Discord is something that gets the job done, but I had much more fun seeing 5 different Necro elites in action.


On the topic of Mesmer elites, I find Psychic Instability > Panic unless the mobs are soooooo huge that they really need constant interrupting. You're not really going to find that in PvE outside of Urgoz/DoA/BfLA. 'S just my opinion though.

As for rits, I can take them or leave them. I find they're nice but heroes not being able to use Summon Spirits can be a bit tedious.

Quote: Absolutely tore Factions up in stupid times. Hate to burst your bubble but any decent hero setup can make the mobs in factions retreat to a corner and assume the fetal position.

Quote: Originally Posted by EverDawn

One thing that I feel lacking from the build in the OP in this thread, is hex removal. I tought hexes where common in HM? Hexes are rarely deadly in PVE, but consider replacing the WNWN on the Panic Mesmer with Hex Eater Signet (not on the Ineptitude Mesmer - he needs more consistent E Management).

Everyone also needs to keep in mind that there are still 3 skills open on the Player bar; if you want to add in Paragon shouts, debuffs or whatever you can do that. You can even replace the AP caller with whatever your character does best.

Quote: Originally Posted by spray04

Everyone also needs to keep in mind that there are still 3 skills open on the Player bar; if you want to add in Paragon shouts, debuffs or whatever you can do that. You can even replace the AP caller with whatever your character does best. Bad suggestion. Should reduce player bar skill requirements and concentrate on DPS, AP caller fits Discordway for a reason.

I've found approximately 4 weaknesses in this build. Let me list them:

1-3: 3 Discord Necros
4: SoGM Rit

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon alt+F4 -> uninstall

Seriously, with 7 heroes people ought to be able to do a lot better than Discord... /win thread.

I mean, you now have 7 heroes.

With the HUGE amount of possibilities that you have now, why take 3 slots for a mediocre setup?

P.S:Personally, i never bring more than 2 nec at same time. MM+curses or blood or resto. But no more than 2.