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Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

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14 Dec 2011 at 16:19 - 81

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

But what's more important than 'prestige' of getting things, is giving anyone a chance to equally enjoy the game.

"Indeed, gaming professional, indeed."

Fortunately, Anet has shown a propensity for putting the fun ahead of anything else. I remember many, many arguments like this in the past - extra character slots, BMP issues, extra storage, UAS, World Favor, etc. etc. etc. Ultimately, Anet has always implemented the solution that allows for the most amount of people to get the most enjoyment out of the game. And they have already shown such a proclivity in this case as well - more and more, we are seeing NPCs being implemented after festivals to allow for hats to be acquired when one is not at the event finale in question. Case in point, my Factions only account has Wintersday hats - something that would normally be impossible without such an intervention.

Ultimately, the sole argument that is given against this has already been blown out of the water many times through many examples. All we need to do now is wait for Anet to continue along the path and implement the method of obtaining all past hats. I think it will happen sooner rather than later, most likely right before or around the time GW2 is released, at the latest. It just makes sense for both Anet (additional financing opportunity for GW1) and for the players (the fun factor and collectoritis). Just like the extra character slots debate was, so will this see the same conclusion.

Hanok

cormac ap dunn

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14 Dec 2011 at 17:29 - 82

Actually I think the majority of people in favor of this (we know the names of all 12 of you...) seem to be more concerned about the "I want what you have so give it to me now!" then the idea of some things were just exclusive to the time frame they happened in. By this logic, I should be allowed to upgrade my account to collectors editions(come on free kuunavang!), I always seemed to be on the tail end of Big Farms, so I should also have my skills reverted, I mean after all, you did it, its not fair i missed out! Celestial Pig? Cerratadon? Destroyer? Should these be included in the IGS? all were time sensitive, exclusive, unique. Pre Order Items? what about those too? ok, perhaps people don't get that if you missed out on something, you missed out on something. The world doesn't have to revolve around you.

Hanok Odbrook

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14 Dec 2011 at 18:58 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Actually I think the majority of people in favor of this (we know the names of all 12 of you...) seem to be more concerned about the "I want what you have so give it to me now!" then the idea of some things were just exclusive to the time frame they happened in. By this logic, I should be allowed to upgrade my account to collectors editions(come on free kuunavang!), I always seemed to be on the tail end of Big Farms, so I should also have my skills reverted, I mean after all, you did it, its not fair i missed out! Celestial Pig? Cerratadon? Destroyer? Should these be included in the IGS? all were time sensitive, exclusive, unique. Pre Order Items? what about those too? ok, perhaps people don't get that if you missed out on something, you missed out on something. The world doesn't have to revolve around you.

Actually, I have the hats, and pretty much many (if not all else) that you mention. And many of the people I know are actually collectors and like to have complete collections - what anyone else may or may not have is irrelevant to them. And yes, I see no problem at all with allowing these items (or a more generic item, like tokens or credits) to be sold in the in-game store that would allow others to purchase them.

Again, Anet has already done this with several other items - the Imp, the BMP, the GotY weapons. Just because something is exclusive or time-sensitive now doesn't mean it always has to be so!

Hanok

The Drunkard

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14 Dec 2011 at 19:07 - 84

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Originally Posted by Guild Wars Official Wiki

Festival hats are costume headpieces that are typically only obtainable during special events. The festival hats may be considered prestige items as they demonstrate the players were around when a certain event occurred.

Festival hats are acquired from certain special events, such as the Dragon Festival, Halloween, and Wintersday. Different festival hats have different requirements to be obtained. Requirements generally include gathering a certain number of a specific item, being present at a specific time during the event or talking to a specific NPC.

I'm not sure it could be any simpler: you go to an event, you participate on said date, and you get an item that you can wear. If you didn't want to wear it, or thought that another item was more important space wise, you had the option of throwing it away. That was YOUR decision, not anyone else's.

If you could just buy the hats, then people wouldn't bother to participate in the newer events (unless they wanted extra gold), which lowers the playerbase, as well as the incentive to keep producing new content for some of these events).

/notsigned

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

"Indeed, gaming professional, indeed."
It just makes sense for both Anet (additional financing opportunity for GW1) and for the players (the fun factor and collectoritis). Just like the extra character slots debate was, so will this see the same conclusion.

We already have- it's called costumes.

Hanok Odbrook

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14 Dec 2011 at 19:33 - 85

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

I'm not sure it could be any simpler: you go to an event, you participate on said date, and you get an item that you can wear. If you didn't want to wear it, or thought that another item was more important space wise, you had the option of throwing it away. That was YOUR decision, not anyone else's.

If you could just buy the hats, then people wouldn't bother to participate in the newer events (unless they wanted extra gold), which lowers the playerbase, as well as the incentive to keep producing new content for some of these events).

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

Really? So you wouldn't show up for the festival if the hat were to be made available elsewhere (either via store or NPC in town after the event)? Well, for me, the events are more than just to get the hats - they're to enjoy the event and also to get any of the other freebies that go along with them. Being able to get the hats after the event, well, that's just a little bit of a piece of mind where someone doesn't have to worry about outside events affecting their ability to attend the event (such as power outages, ISP muck-ups, or hackers nailing their account and deleting everything - including those oh-so-special hats).

To add to my quote of me from a previous message: we already have several events that have an NPC stick around later for the hats, and according to the official wiki, this year's Wintersday will as well. I have yet to see that affect any participation or bottom line at all. Again, adding this to the in game store would actually put more money into Anet's product, thus encouraging more time to be spent developing GW1 content. Kinda no brainer on that.

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

We already have- it's called costumes.

Of which the Festival hats are now a part. Unless I am mistaken, the last time I checked, the festival hats only go into the costume headgear slot.

Hanok

cormac ap dunn

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14 Dec 2011 at 21:11 - 86

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

To add to my quote of me from a previous message: we already have several events that have an NPC stick around later for the hats, and according to the official wiki, this year's Wintersday will as well. I have yet to see that affect any participation or bottom line at all. Again, adding this to the in game store would actually put more money into Anet's product, thus encouraging more time to be spent developing GW1 content. Kinda no brainer on that.

Of which the Festival hats are now a part. Unless I am mistaken, the last time I checked, the festival hats only go into the costume headgear slot.

Hanok

No offence but isn't it a wee bit ego maniacal to quote yourself????
also in your response to my very valid point which you skirted, you forgot to sign your name at the bottom...

On topic, Adding hats to the in-game store really would have a negative impact as The Drunkard said. Or are we all fond deserted outposts during holidays? Like I said, GIMME GIMME GIMME MY UNAVAILABLE ITEMS TOOOOOO!!!!!! ... but seriously, it wouldn't be a very smart idea to add these. I rather like people showing up to the finally.

Cormac

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Outerworld

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14 Dec 2011 at 21:20 - 87

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

No offence but isn't it a wee bit ego maniacal to quote yourself????
also in your response to my very valid point which you skirted, you forgot to sign your name at the bottom...

Cormac

Your point wasn't really valid considering all the items you listed can still be obtained in game off other players, albeit for a price. Hats can not be obtained by any other means.

Hanok Odbrook

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14 Dec 2011 at 21:35 - 88

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

No offence but isn't it a wee bit ego maniacal to quote yourself????

Nope - just saves a few keystrokes of having to repeat myself.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

also in your response to my very valid point which you skirted, you forgot to sign your name at the bottom...

Skirted how, exactly. I thought I answered it fully. Also, thanks for pointing that out. Fixed my post - too much multi-tasking today, didn't notice I forgot to sign.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

On topic, Adding hats to the in-game store really would have a negative impact as The Drunkard said. Or are we all fond deserted outposts during holidays? Like I said, GIMME GIMME GIMME MY UNAVAILABLE ITEMS TOOOOOO!!!!!! ... but seriously, it wouldn't be a very smart idea to add these. I rather like people showing up to the finally.

I guess I have to quote myself again:

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

Really? So you wouldn't show up for the festival if the hat were to be made available elsewhere (either via store or NPC in town after the event)? Well, for me, the events are more than just to get the hats - they're to enjoy the event and also to get any of the other freebies that go along with them. Being able to get the hats after the event, well, that's just a little bit of a piece of mind where someone doesn't have to worry about outside events affecting their ability to attend the event (such as power outages, ISP muck-ups, or hackers nailing their account and deleting everything - including those oh-so-special hats).

I hate to throw about insults, and this isn't aimed at you personally, but it's pretty asinine to think that allowing festival hats to be purchased or otherwise obtained outside of a festival event will diminish participation in said event. Again, that clearly has not been the case in any finale where NPC hat traders are already present after said event.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Cormac

(<----check it out I have a name that's clearly visible in my post as well)

Remembered this time:

Hanok

cormac ap dunn

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14 Dec 2011 at 22:41 - 89

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Originally Posted by Outerworld

Your point wasn't really valid considering all the items you listed can still be obtained in game off other players, albeit for a price. Hats can not be obtained by any other means.

Ehem... examples need to be more specific? Collectors edition emotes? Pre-order Items? Want a few others? How about the 4th year anniversary Storage Pane?

@ Hanok The problem isn't about just exclusivity, Its about remembering the event for a lot of people. Most people are less concerned about the diminishing aesthetic value so much as a common bond.
A small personal example, I had someone run my newest ele to Droks today. A warrior ran it, He did a fantastic job and everyone was quite pleased. After the run a friend PMed me to say how efficient sins and dervs were at running, For me, the warrior run had me thrilled. It reminded me of a time when that was your only option. Those simple "Remember when..." moments are hard to replace, I could list so many things that my friends and I remember from "back in the day" that would surely send many here into a fond reminiscence. Sharing the "love" is all fine and good, but what will our new generation of players "remember when.." about? They will make new moments, new memories and have new events and well after many here move on, there will be "remember when..."'s.

Cormac (this signing thing is rather catchy)

Hanok Odbrook

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15 Dec 2011 at 01:25 - 90

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Ehem... examples need to be more specific? Collectors edition emotes? Pre-order Items? Want a few others? How about the 4th year anniversary Storage Pane?

Yes to all - they all should be available for purchase in some form (either directly or through the use of tokens purchased in the store and traded to a specific NPC that unlocks them on your account), including the special weapons sets you did not mention - such as the Coke play ones or whatever they are. One caveat - the original preorder items should be updated to have max stats at this point, that way they are brought in-line with the Factions, Nightfall, and GotY weapons sets.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

@ Hanok The problem isn't about just exclusivity, Its about remembering the event for a lot of people. Most people are less concerned about the diminishing aesthetic value so much as a common bond.
A small personal example, I had someone run my newest ele to Droks today. A warrior ran it, He did a fantastic job and everyone was quite pleased. After the run a friend PMed me to say how efficient sins and dervs were at running, For me, the warrior run had me thrilled. It reminded me of a time when that was your only option. Those simple "Remember when..." moments are hard to replace, I could list so many things that my friends and I remember from "back in the day" that would surely send many here into a fond reminiscence. Sharing the "love" is all fine and good, but what will our new generation of players "remember when.." about? They will make new moments, new memories and have new events and well after many here move on, there will be "remember when..."'s.

Cormac (this signing thing is rather catchy)

None of which changes if the hats (or any item is made more widely available). If it's about the moment, then the item doesn't matter - the memories surrounding the item do not change. Just like the changing of the Survivor title - the fact that the Dwarven boxing made the title easier to get, followed by the revamp which gives every character an unlimited opportunity to achieve the title in no way diminishes the feeling I had when my first character achieved it the old fashioned way, nor taints the memory of that edge of the seat moment when I thought I was just about to loose it only to turn the tide and achieve the victory.

As you said, new players will have their own memories as us veterans have ours (and are still making plenty more). Buying a hat, a weapon, or a mini-pet in a store will not change that one iota. In fact, it may bring more happy memories as it allows someone to log into the game and see his character in a special moment that would not otherwise be possible - sometimes even those simple things can be memorable as well. I know that all the memories I have of the past events haven't changed nor would they if everyone else suddenly had all the hats. Nor would they change if I could buy any future hats either - as I said, I'll still be at the events regardless, making new friends and memories, as I always have.

Hanok
(signed - as always - in fond memory of those long ago days when words were written with quill and vellum)

MithranArkanere

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15 Dec 2011 at 23:27 - 91

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

[...]

@ Hanok The problem isn't about just exclusivity, Its about remembering the event for a lot of people. Most people are less concerned about the diminishing aesthetic value so much as a common bond.

[...]

Bonds do not require some item to reassure them.
If you had fun during a festival with a friend that didn't manage to get the hat, will that fun be less than the fun you had with someone that didn't have a dinner in some relative's house and could get it?

Of course it isn't less.

But by letting that friend get that hat he missed, now he can ALSO remember that fun he had, AND enjoy the hat he missed.

cormac ap dunn

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17 Dec 2011 at 01:20 - 92

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Bonds do not require some item to reassure them.
If you had fun during a festival with a friend that didn't manage to get the hat, will that fun be less than the fun you had with someone that didn't have a dinner in some relative's house and could get it?

Of course it isn't less.

But by letting that friend get that hat he missed, now he can ALSO remember that fun he had, AND enjoy the hat he missed.

And Games don't require you to have everything other people have to enjoy them. Leaving something special to a select group that got to enjoy it might be as good an idea as giving everything to everyone, because as I have stated before If everyone has it, then no one will care about it. Why strive to be a part of something that is occasional if you have no reason anymore to be at that occasion?

So as many times as the "gimme because I want it" argument gets brought up, I'm sorry Occupy Kryta, you are gonna have to deal with being the 99%

Play the game, go to the Wintersday event and the collector afterwords, don't make excuses why for 1 solid week you can't possibly be there and if you miss out this time? Too bad, so sad.

Not A Standard Name

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18 Dec 2011 at 21:12 - 93

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Originally Posted by Hanok Odbrook

Yes to all - they all should be available for purchase in some form (either directly or through the use of tokens purchased in the store and traded to a specific NPC that unlocks them on your account), including the special weapons sets you did not mention - such as the Coke play ones or whatever they are. One caveat - the original preorder items should be updated to have max stats at this point, that way they are brought in-line with the Factions, Nightfall, and GotY weapons sets.

Yeah, and when you're doing that also allow me to name my chars "Chuck Norris" and my guild "The Last Pride". And give me one of the trophies in the Temple of Balthazar for cash or make new 2005/2006/etc. tournaments. It's not fair that they have sth I cannot get.

Xiaquin

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18 Dec 2011 at 22:05 - 94

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

It is like saying I should be allowed to get sixth year B-Day presents on my first B-Day because it isn't fair cause I wasn't here for six years.

Not really, since minis can be traded, so brand new players can walk around with any they wish. I've never heard complaints that start with "if your char isn't that old, it's not that old, so you shouldn't have them."

I don't want to pretend like I was "there" and violate a flimsy ideal like virtual hat integrity. What I want are nice, traditional hats for all (see yule and wicked caps), and that's totally reasonable.

What could happen is a re-release using a unique, locked color. Another idea is to run updated versions (using new textures/effects) so you can still tell who was at the original event. People will still qq on both sides, but look at the past couple of seasons (at least Halloween and Wintersday), can you really blame people for wanting the more traditional styles?

JONO51

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18 Dec 2011 at 23:15 - 95

No reason not to. I'm all for ANet getting more resources to be able to put more stuff into the game, and if there's a market for these may as well sell them and put it towards something we can play.

Hanok Odbrook

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19 Dec 2011 at 21:32 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

And Games don't require you to have everything other people have to enjoy them. Leaving something special to a select group that got to enjoy it might be as good an idea as giving everything to everyone, because as I have stated before If everyone has it, then no one will care about it. Why strive to be a part of something that is occasional if you have no reason anymore to be at that occasion?

Likewise, games don't have to require that things should be kept exclusive to enjoy the experience, either. So the hats are the only reason to be at the event? I thought it was the memories and the good times had by all. In any event (again), having the hats available at other times other than the day of the finale of an event has not yet stopped people from caring (or not caring, as there have always been just as many of those) or participating in the events. Allowing the hats to be purchased in one form or another as the the rest of the costumes are will not change that fact.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

So as many times as the "gimme because I want it" argument gets brought up, I'm sorry Occupy Kryta, you are gonna have to deal with being the 99%

Play the game, go to the Wintersday event and the collector afterwords, don't make excuses why for 1 solid week you can't possibly be there and if you miss out this time? Too bad, so sad.

Funny how that "gimme cause I want it" argument actually helps implement things in games:
Extra character slots
Unlocking all skills for PvP (without having to play PvE to do it)
Removing PvP play from the Favor system
Extra Xunlai Storage slots
Selling the BMP separately in the store
Allowing character name changes
Allowing character make-overs
Separating PvP and PvE so skill balance changes in one does not affect the other.
Implementing Hard Mode in PvE

Need I go on?

As for excuses, well clearly Anet feels that there are some reasons that justify allowing the acquisition of in-game items outside of the norm, hence why nearly every event now has had or continues to have NPCs that allow for the hats to be acquired outside of the finale events. The only thing I see in this thread are people asking Anet to take it to the next logical step by making all the past hats a formal part of the Costume Inventory and allowing those who want them to purchase the ones they need. Many of those also appear to be players who already have every hat and would not benefit (nor loose anything) by having those hats available to others.

Hanok

firadesunna

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19 Dec 2011 at 22:12 - 97

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Originally Posted by Aeronwen

/notsigned

If you weren't there, you weren't there. Deal with it.

/signed... I was there on an account that got hacked and Anet could never retrieve for me

would love all my old hats back!

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19 Dec 2011 at 22:47 - 98

I miss my old hats that found the delete bin because I didn't have enough storage space. I would surely love to be able to obtain them once again some how. Perhaps making them available at an NPC vendor in game for xxx of a certain collectable drop from the given holiday event.

i.e. 250 ccshards for any 1 wintersday festival hat that your account was once able to obtain, 250 tot bags for a halloween hat.. etc.

It would be a nice gesture, and one that would not give anyone an advantage or disadvantage... All it would do is make a bunch of people very happy for a brief amount of time during the holidays or any festival, to once again wear the old caps.

Carnage.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

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19 Dec 2011 at 23:11 - 99

remember that everyday (or every week) there will be new players, who see old hats, and say: cool, where did you get that from?

i answer: got it from [name of event]
reply: will it come back?
1 answer: i'm afraid not
reply (+ end): aww, ok thx

would those people who /notsigned be happy if they were anet and they didnt make newbies happier with the hats by giving them?
i'd rather not, it'd make me feel heartless (and believe me, i DO have one)

besides, all "event" costumes are still in the store (or did someone else mention that already?)
giving everyone the same makes people feel just as important in the game

as i said, i would like to have the dragon mask (first one) as i missed it with my first account, and only use my first account to really play
(the second account is used to keep a guild alive.... or at least for the guy who wants to keep it, so i just gotta show up once a while)

i dont really care about that mask, but i would like to have it, although i use other hats much more, like cat ears, lol
and the rest, i dont care about

tbh, i dont use other hats very often, just the cat ears and the first yule cap
but i like to see more people happy with em
i also said that i even didnt get the goggles cuz i dont like em, so its not to have them all

as for "gimme cuz i want" i think hanok's point "Implementing Hard Mode in PvE" is the best point here, as people were complaining the game was too easy, and now got HM
so i think those who regret not having a certain hat, could also "complain" and get the old hats

isnt it nicer to share the good feelings you had with events? i mean especially christmas (wintersday) means to have fun and good times with each other, as i have heard

EDIT: i WOULD prefer to see them in the events they actually are from
lil weird getting old halloween hats in wintersday

enter_the_zone

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20 Dec 2011 at 00:21 - 100

At the end of the day, it's a non-tradeable cosmetic item that offers you no, read that, NO, advantage at all. Otherwise known as a costume. Storage panes and extra character slots offer more actual advantage because, for instance, you never have to junk or salvage the random Nick drops you pick up while playing. Which means 2.6+ years from now, I probably don't have to farm Avacari feathered scalps again.

Of course hats should be in the in game store, it's a no-brainer, and there isn't a single legitimate argument with any actual proof to show it would have any detrimental effect on the game, at all. All it does is deflate the haters e-peen, because they're not "special" or "unique" anymore, which is why they dis on it.

Hater: "But you weren't there"

IGS Hat Freak: "Yeah, but I have money."

Hater : "But that's not fair."

IGS Hat Freak:"Wait, so you turn up and get something for free... and then I pay real money for it... and you say it's not fair on you....seriously?"

/Signed

cormac ap dunn

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20 Dec 2011 at 09:14 - 101

I think this topic has gotten quite exhausted. No matter the side you fall on, this topic is brought up every event, every year. Lets agree that content is in dire need of adjustment, I just don't put hats high on the priority list. and frankly, once you get the hats , the topic will go back to content being added, lets let the Devs get the content promised out , then if they want to add hats, costumes, what not, have at it.

enter_the_zone

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20 Dec 2011 at 12:24 - 102

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I think this topic has gotten quite exhausted. No matter the side you fall on, this topic is brought up every event, every year. Lets agree that content is in dire need of adjustment, I just don't put hats high on the priority list. and frankly, once you get the hats , the topic will go back to content being added, lets let the Devs get the content promised out , then if they want to add hats, costumes, what not, have at it.

That's the most sensible thing I've read in this thread. While I'm pro-hats, as it were, I can think of many, many things I'd rather have, both in terms of content and account security.

Hanok Odbrook

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20 Dec 2011 at 15:12 - 103

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

That's the most sensible thing I've read in this thread. While I'm pro-hats, as it were, I can think of many, many things I'd rather have, both in terms of content and account security.

Agreed with that. For the most part, the recent addition of account recovery has gone a long way towards, if not ensuring security, at least protecting the contents of our accounts. Judging from past instances, though, it doesn't appear to take many resources or time to make a hat available outside of an event. They set up the Halloween guy pretty quick, so it's just a matter of how they would want to do it. Certainly, tieing it in with the store will take more time and resources, but I image it could be something done in conjunction with a future costume or store addition anyway.

Hanok

Wandering Hades

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21 Dec 2011 at 03:41 - 104

Never in a million years should the people who werent around at the time to get the hats... it seems like these are the only items that show others how long has the person been playing for and what events theyve been in. Everything else you all just bought your way through... even the divine aura that people can just buy the CD key for....

/notsigned.

enter_the_zone

Jungle Guide

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21 Dec 2011 at 04:01 - 105

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Originally Posted by Wandering Hades

Never in a million years should the people who werent around at the time to get the hats... it seems like these are the only items that show others how long has the person been playing for and what events theyve been in. Everything else you all just bought your way through... even the divine aura that people can just buy the CD key for....

/notsigned.

Translation : It diminishes the size of my e-peen because I'm dumb enough to give a shit what a bunch of gormless 12 year old kids think. Let's face it, they're the only ones who are impressed by that shit.

The rest of us couldn't care less what some random nobody is wearing, let alone what it says about what event they attended etc. We just want shiny shit to make our characters look cool to us. And by nobody I don't mean just you, I mean everyone else in the district or group. We're all just ships in the night.

And now thinking about it, is there a textmod to make your headgear appear as festival hats? Cause that'd do me.

Which has now got me thinking, what if they sold the ability to make any festival hat look like any other festival hat, but only to you (to everyone else it appears as the festival hat it actually is). I'd pay £5 for that.

Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Tyria

Real Millennium Group

Mo/N

21 Dec 2011 at 13:40 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wandering Hades

Never in a million years should the people who werent around at the time to get the hats... it seems like these are the only items that show others how long has the person been playing for and what events theyve been in. Everything else you all just bought your way through... even the divine aura that people can just buy the CD key for....

/notsigned.

In addition to what enter_the_zone so eloquently stated

, perhaps you should read back through all six pages of this thread to see that the "You weren't there" argument is completely invalidated. There are more than enough instances where people did attend events and didn't get or no longer have the hats, and plenty of other instances where people were not at the event, yet were still able to acquire the hats through other means (i.e. my Factions only account has Wintersday hats). Aside from the fact that it only shows that your account was logged in at the time - out of the millions of players who do have hats, guaranteed a great many of them were not actually attending, but merely afking the event. I should know - for many events that take place during a weekday, my account is afk at home (hoping for no disconnects) whilst I am away at work.

Hanok

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

21 Dec 2011 at 14:01 - 107

I only wish there was a way to get back a copy of the hats we had before the appearance of the Festival Hat crafter and all the additional storage capability. Storing them became a major pain, and some were deleted - forever, it seems.

That doesn't mean, however, that I want to pay real money for them. I have over 6 years into this game; it would be nice if there was some sort of solution that didn't involve either $$ or every new person with an inferiority complex wanting it all right now.

::sighs:: But then again, I remember a time when you could see if a person had actually played the game through and what type of build they were running by the armor they wore.

Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Tyria

Real Millennium Group

Mo/N

21 Dec 2011 at 15:18 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by FalconDance

I only wish there was a way to get back a copy of the hats we had before the appearance of the Festival Hat crafter and all the additional storage capability. Storing them became a major pain, and some were deleted - forever, it seems.

I believe the Hat Maker may have this possibility. It was used one year to allow anyone to obtain Wintersday hats after the finale (hence why my Factions only account was able to get them). However, I do not think there is a way for Anet to check to see who had the hats previous to the maker and re-instate them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FalconDance

That doesn't mean, however, that I want to pay real money for them. I have over 6 years into this game; it would be nice if there was some sort of solution that didn't involve either $$ or every new person with an inferiority complex wanting it all right now.

Well, naturally. Who does want to pay for something if you can get it for free? But we need to think in terms of what is good for the game. This same argument came up when players were requesting additional character slots. At the end, Anet allowed them to be purchased, and it has become one of the main factors that the game has continued to be so well funded and we have others things we can buy now. I don't need the hats for either of my two main accounts, but if this system was implemented, then I would certainly make a purchase for one of my alternate accounts to show my support and help continue to fund the game, as I do on a regular basis with other items that have been added to the store.

Ultimately, the best solution in this case (as has been suggested by many players), is a token system similar to the makeover and name change credits. We would essentially buy tokens in the store that then could be traded to specific NPCs in game in exchange for particular items. In that way, we aren't buying the hats directly, but they can become one of any number of items that can be part of the barter system. Once the initial token system is implemented, it should be relatively easy to add stock to those NPCs.

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

::sighs:: But then again, I remember a time when you could see if a person had actually played the game through and what type of build they were running by the armor they wore.

Maybe, but not necessarily. For a long time I kept many characters in low level or non-elite armor simply because I liked the look better than anything else. Same with the builds. I didn't (and still don't) play the most effective or powerful builds on many characters simply because I enjoy playing with the builds that they have now. It's got me through pretty much every area of the entire series at this point, but you wouldn't know it to look at them.

Hanok

Griffenex

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2011

Deep in the north where the polar bears are pets and the meese are horses.

Sleep Is For Noobs [Sleep]

Mo/Me

21 Dec 2011 at 20:06 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

At the end of the day, it's a non-tradeable cosmetic item that offers you no, read that, NO, advantage at all. Otherwise known as a costume. Storage panes and extra character slots offer more actual advantage because, for instance, you never have to junk or salvage the random Nick drops you pick up while playing. Which means 2.6+ years from now, I probably don't have to farm Avacari feathered scalps again.

Of course hats should be in the in game store, it's a no-brainer, and there isn't a single legitimate argument with any actual proof to show it would have any detrimental effect on the game, at all. All it does is deflate the haters e-peen, because they're not "special" or "unique" anymore, which is why they dis on it.

Hater: "But you weren't there"

IGS Hat Freak: "Yeah, but I have money."

Hater : "But that's not fair."

IGS Hat Freak:"Wait, so you turn up and get something for free... and then I pay real money for it... and you say it's not fair on you....seriously?"

/Signed

Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it. That's not really the case. It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game, getting the hats that anet has offered throughout the years and have been loyal to them for. Why should someone with a brand new account come in, pay an amount of money and not have to show up to an event? If you don't have time to go, that's not anybody's fault really. You could have your char just afking in the town, many people do it. Don't complain just because you weren't at the event.

Back on topic, /signed, only if your account is x some years old enough to get the hat and if it's only offered when the event it was given at is happening.

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

21 Dec 2011 at 21:20 - 110

I am not exactly pro hats, but I would like to be able to recover hats I had to delete due to the lack of storage space. I had to dispose of two years worth of hats because of this. I really want them back, I miss my first year halloween & winter's day hats.
In short, I feel that if your account is five years old, you should not be able to get hats from 6 years ago.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Holland

[GaMe]

Rt/

21 Dec 2011 at 21:58 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffenex

Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it. That's not really the case. It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game, getting the hats that anet has offered throughout the years and have been loyal to them for. Why should someone with a brand new account come in, pay an amount of money and not have to show up to an event? If you don't have time to go, that's not anybody's fault really. You could have your char just afking in the town, many people do it. Don't complain just because you weren't at the event.

Back on topic, /signed, only if your account is x some years old enough to get the hat and if it's only offered when the event it was given at is happening.

respect just cuz someone plays longer than others?
its a game, a game where you should have fun, not having too many people being "better" than others, or at least feel better than others

i dont really have a reason to buy old hats, but i'd like to see it for those who would want
and i'd say: give it for free
why do people NEED to pay for it? i mean, anet has lots of money and gets more everyday from just GW
and saying people should pay for something as minor as hats, sounds a bit greedy and maybe heartless to me

why not share nice stuff with people? we have costumes to buy, even from halloween which i still could buy for a long time now

sry, but i dont understand why it'd be bad that new players or people that had a too busy reallife at the time, cant just get old hats
this game is about fun, not about who's playing for a longer time

this e-peen gets too big this way, which is why i'm still thinking about whether i buy GW2 or not, with such community (except for the friends i have/had in GW, and those who also think games should be for fun)
i mean, now we got HM, because that e-peen had to be bigger, yet its never enough

i just hope anet will give us those old hats at the next events, so that everyone has something nice again

sharing feels good imo, not allowing newer people to get old stuff feels bad to me, and as i said: it feels heartless, which i hate tbh

gimme 1 "good" reason without about the e-peen why newer people shouldnt get what we could get to have a lil more fun in the game

2 major reasons to give them should be:
1. newer people (and those who missed some) will see they can get alot, and may buy alot of stuff from the store as they stay longer in GW
2. it can also affect GW2's sales

my own reason is: everyone should be worth the same in this case

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

21 Dec 2011 at 22:07 - 112

Personally, I totally support this. It would fun for people who missed them, causes no harm for those who already have them and would mean A LOT of money for the developers.

Everybody wins!

/signed

drok3n

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2011

Earth

Lod

Me/A

22 Dec 2011 at 01:01 - 113

/NO CHANCE.

This would ruin the game for me honestly. Then they might as well ad q8 gold weapons for 10 dollars each. or bring back the kanaxi promo codes. or the glowing hands when u dance. These things are there and put in place so they are rare. One shouldn't gain from not being there. I have a 1 hat i missed out of all these years and it pisses me off but thats how things work.

My ideal concept is to have events that drop a specific thing that is only obtainable that year and not after. That puts the shine on the items and puts the price up on them. This is half the reason people play the game. It sucks they only held this concept with Hats. Old school weapons sorta follow this line, but just happened cause they came out with INSC new weapons and higher reqs. so all the older weapons didn't drop anymore. and look at how they are seeked for now. If guild wars would implement more of this, i would love it.

loopysnoopy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2010

England

The Ministery Of Cookies (MC)

W/Mo

22 Dec 2011 at 01:52 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

/NO CHANCE.

This would ruin the game for me honestly. Then they might as well ad q8 gold weapons for 10 dollars each. or bring back the kanaxi promo codes. or the glowing hands when u dance. These things are there and put in place so they are rare. One shouldn't gain from not being there. I have a 1 hat i missed out of all these years and it pisses me off but thats how things work.

My ideal concept is to have events that drop a specific thing that is only obtainable that year and not after. That puts the shine on the items and puts the price up on them. This is half the reason people play the game. It sucks they only held this concept with Hats. Old school weapons sorta follow this line, but just happened cause they came out with INSC new weapons and higher reqs. so all the older weapons didn't drop anymore. and look at how they are seeked for now. If guild wars would implement more of this, i would love it.

This here folks is an elitist. How can hats that dont have no stats effect the game which you cant sell to others as it would be stupid to say the least even if they did a bundle pack from years 05-11 for £4 that would stop the crazy's complaining........... I too have missed 1hat but hey RL comes 1st

Signed for shop purchased only

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

22 Dec 2011 at 04:39 - 115

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

/[...]

Please don't do that.
You seem to be posting without not knowing exactly what the thread is about.
Anyone that have played Guild Wars during a festival would know that you are spouting nonsense.

Festival hats cannot be traded. They are not 'rare'. They are not 'hard to get'. Those that miss them is not for lack of skill, not for being 'noobs' or newbies or bad players, poor or lazy.
When someone missed a festival hat it was for unforeseen circumstances, schedules they can't controls that keep them away during holidays, account hackings, and things like those.
Once you miss them, that's it. You no longer can get them, EVER.
With a q8 weapon, it may drop anytime.
With kanaxxai miniatures, there's a few in the market, many players won't dedicate them. And you still may get them dedicated.
You still have a go at them. It may be hard, but it's not impossible, unlike with past hats.

Festival hats are mere vanity items with no value other than aesthetic and sentimental. They can't be traded like costumes, and putting them in the GW store wouldn't change that.
No sane person would like less or enjoy less a hat or have their memories of past festivals 'destroyed' because others get the hats too. On the contrary. You remember past festivals when you see others with those hats. The more people have them, the more you get to remember those festivals.

It's not like selling q8 items, it's not like giving again Kannaxai miniatures, it's not even like putting in the GWshop the Korean Coke items.

Putting them in the GW store would mean mainly three things:
1.- For those that missed them or lost them for whatever reasons, it would allow them to get them and enjoy them.

2.- For those that already got them for free, it would just add value to the account, since something they got for free now has an actual value. Like when you get things like free games on Steam. The account just get more 'valuable', since it has more things unlocked. You got them for free, but others had to pay for it. Like with the Bonus Mission Pack. I got it for free, others had to pay for it. Do I have any reason to be angry for that? NO. Because I enjoy the BMP missions, and they also enjoy the BMP missions. So where's the problem?

3.- And for ANet, an extra small income. That never hurts.

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

P/

22 Dec 2011 at 10:41 - 116

Honestly don't see all the problem here. The hats are a token & reminder of an event. My memories aren't going to be affected by how many or how few people I see wearing the dragon mask for example. In fact, all it'll do is give a more frequent reminder of said events as more people are wearing them, which is good in my book. Anyone annoyed that they would become "less unique" and "are meant to be rare" are pretty pathetic elitists (riled up over a hat, seriously?). And besides, if there's money in it (this thread shows there is) then I'm sure the live team wouldn't be affected and they'd have a few members of the GW2 team work on it (similar to what they do with the event costume designs iirc).

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

22 Dec 2011 at 15:47 - 117

In the best of all worlds, any account that was X years old would be able to redeem a token or other something-or-other for holidays head pieces back to and including the date of game registration (for example). That would please those of us who had to choose between having inventory slots to continue playing the game or keeping hats that were fun but otherwise useless (no costume slots back in the day, remember). It would require precious little extra coding since each acct is already coded to pull up age, deaths, etc.

drok3n

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2011

Earth

Lod

Me/A

22 Dec 2011 at 17:03 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Please don't do that.
You seem to be posting without not knowing exactly what the thread is about.
Anyone that have played Guild Wars during a festival would know that you are spouting nonsense.

Festival hats cannot be traded. They are not 'rare'. They are not 'hard to get'. Those that miss them is not for lack of skill, not for being 'noobs' or newbies or bad players, poor or lazy.
When someone missed a festival hat it was for unforeseen circumstances, schedules they can't controls that keep them away during holidays, account hackings, and things like those.
Once you miss them, that's it. You no longer can get them, EVER.
With a q8 weapon, it may drop anytime.
With kanaxxai miniatures, there's a few in the market, many players won't dedicate them. And you still may get them dedicated.
You still have a go at them. It may be hard, but it's not impossible, unlike with past hats.

Festival hats are mere vanity items with no value other than aesthetic and sentimental. They can't be traded like costumes, and putting them in the GW store wouldn't change that.
No sane person would like less or enjoy less a hat or have their memories of past festivals 'destroyed' because others get the hats too. On the contrary. You remember past festivals when you see others with those hats. The more people have them, the more you get to remember those festivals.

It's not like selling q8 items, it's not like giving again Kannaxai miniatures, it's not even like putting in the GWshop the Korean Coke items.

Putting them in the GW store would mean mainly three things:
1.- For those that missed them or lost them for whatever reasons, it would allow them to get them and enjoy them.

2.- For those that already got them for free, it would just add value to the account, since something they got for free now has an actual value. Like when you get things like free games on Steam. The account just get more 'valuable', since it has more things unlocked. You got them for free, but others had to pay for it. Like with the Bonus Mission Pack. I got it for free, others had to pay for it. Do I have any reason to be angry for that? NO. Because I enjoy the BMP missions, and they also enjoy the BMP missions. So where's the problem?

3.- And for ANet, an extra small income. That never hurts.

=================

I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about. This is the same game that has over 100 Staves with the same exact stats on them and people want them purely for looks. Looks are very important to people in this game. No one should be able to obtain something that was to be a one time shot on getting it. When they release hats they have an order of operations in how they release it. There is ample time for someone to get the hat. You snooze you lose is my belief on this. I would hate to see people running around with the year 1 dragon mask and not even have been there. The guys that were present to get the hat, Get a certain joy out of the item because they know they were there. Adding features like this would be a downfall to the system and i fear could start a chain reaction in just let them buy it mentality. The Costumes are already a hit to people that spent so much time and energy seeking the perfect armor combo and finding the right mixture of colors. I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then. What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Hanok Odbrook

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Tyria

Real Millennium Group

Mo/N

22 Dec 2011 at 17:39 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffenex

Well, I don't think that's the point people are trying to get across. You're making it sound as if people are complaining because they wanna be special and unique and these hats have offered it. That's not really the case. It's more, respect for the veterans who played some years ago and have continued through the game....

That what the birthday presents are for. I don't feel any less respected because someone has the opportunity to trade for the presents, nor would I feel any less respected if players would be able to buy the hats, tonics, pre-order items, and mini-pets in the store. I have been playing since the original beta events - I'm pretty much as veteran as you can get.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about. This is the same game that has over 100 Staves with the same exact stats on them and people want them purely for looks. Looks are very important to people in this game. No one should be able to obtain something that was to be a one time shot on getting it.

When they release hats they have an order of operations in how they release it. There is ample time for someone to get the hat. You snooze you lose is my belief on this. I would hate to see people running around with the year 1 dragon mask and not even have been there. The guys that were present to get the hat, Get a certain joy out of the item because they know they were there.

Then you really don't know what this thread is about. Most of those in support of adding an option to acquire the old hats either already have them, or they were lost for several (already stated in this thread) reasons. There was no "snoozing" to be had here. That was something Anet realized and has compensated for in recent years - as this year's Halloween and the current Wintersday events prove once again. The hats have not been "one shot" items for several years now for the most part. My Factions only account was able to obtain Wintersday hats without even the ability to set foot in Tyria.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

Adding features like this would be a downfall to the system and i fear could start a chain reaction in just let them buy it mentality. The Costumes are already a hit to people that spent so much time and energy seeking the perfect armor combo and finding the right mixture of colors.

Actually, as recent history has shown, moving to a F2P or micro-transaction business model has been the savior for a great many on-line games. It's the wave of the future. Even one such as I, who wants to hang on to the good old fashion buying a physical boxed copy of a game, has come to grips with the fact that the future of the gaming industry is not in brick-and-mortar stores, but though download clients like Steam. Thusly, having the ability to purchase vanity items for use in a game is not only here to stay, but the proven popularity of the system ensures its growth in the future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then.

I work for a living. I play games for fun. A game that makes me feel like I have to work for anything is not a game I am going to spend my hard-earned money and limited time on.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Both. I want to play a game that offers me the most amount of options for playing and enjoying the content as I see fit and as my mood and time are at that moment.

Hanok

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

22 Dec 2011 at 18:15 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by drok3n

=================

I know exactly what the thread is about, I think you have forgotten what guild wars is about........ I think people need to work for these things in game and not be able to just buy then. What type of game you folks want to play? where you can spend 1000's of hours in the game to achieve all these awesome additions and then someone can start the game and in one month buy all the upgrades you have seeked for all those years.

Unfortunately this happened a long time ago. Back in the beginning, you had to actually play the game to get to Marhan Grotto or the Granite Citadel for elite armor. Having an elite set, especially if it was Obsidian!, was an accomplishment, meant something.

Then buying runs became the norm, and these armors were available to anyone who had the gold (some bought from gold scammers with real money) to pay.

(Not that I'm anti-running, mind you. At 6+ years, I've so many 'toons now that I indulge in a run every now and again just for something different.)

Anet didn't help matters. For instance, I can remember wanting a feathered bow for my ranger so bad I could taste it - and a decent one never seemed to drop. They were so rare, it was something to have one. The next campaign came out and all the sudden, feathered bows of all sorts were dropping like flies everywhere I looked. No more shine, no more feeling of luck or accomplishment.

Whether it's Anet's dumbing things down so any chimp with a computer can play or it's people with a sense of entitlement, ingame accomplishment is not what it was. Hellfire, you can now buy a run through an entire continent, elite dungeon or UW/FOW for your Hall of Monuments and titles for GW2! Tell me again how this is "what Guild Wars is all about".