PvP Update - June 2nd, 2010

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

http://www.guildwars.com/gameplay/de...pvp_update.php

Features
-New account-based PvP quests are available from the Zaishen Recruiter in the Great Temple of Balthazar and all major cities.
-The Titan quests are now available as Hard Mode quests.
-Typing "/guild", "/ladder", or "/champion" in chat will now trigger an emote based on guild ladder ranking.

Arena Updates
-Codex Arena will now shift the available skills once per day.
-Zaishen Strongboxes have been added to guild vs. guild, Heroes' Ascent, Random Arena, and Codex Arena.
-Alliance spies have been spotted in Alliance PvP outposts; talking to them will transport you to the opposing outpost.
-The guild ladder has been reset.

PvP Reward Updates
-Players can now trigger previously earned Zaishen rank emotes by typing "/zaishen #" or "/zrank #" in chat.
-Players can now trigger previously earned Hero title emotes by typing "/rank #" or "/fame #" in chat.
-Alliance PvP formats now reward Imperial faction.
-Imperial Faction Converters have been placed in Alliance PvP outposts to convert Imperial faction to Luxon, Kurzick, or Balthazar faction.
-Zaishen Coins are now tradable items.
-Exchange rates with Zaishen Coin collectors have been changed for several items.
-Jessie Llam now offers new items.
-Tolkano now offers new weapon skins.

Title Updates
-The Codex Title now awards points for every consecutive win in Codex Arena, starting with the second.
-The Gladiator title now awards points for every consecutive win in Random Arena, starting with the second.

Dot Rotten

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2009

UK

W/

Wow, that gladiator one could cause some serious uproar.

Killed u man

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I love how 50% of the shit I've been suggesting over the past 3 years has been put in there. GJ Anet, I only hope the GvG rewards won't get farmed by PvE guilds. (As in, you actually need to play GvG)

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed u man View Post
I love how 50% of the shit I've been suggesting over the past 3 years has been put in there. GJ Anet, I only hope the GvG rewards won't get farmed by PvE guilds. (As in, you actually need to play GvG)
Many people have been suggesting these changes for a very long time. It's good they were listening/were thinking the same thing.

I wonder if the boost to 'imperial' faction really will rival VQing and such. I doubt it'll match faction SC guilds though.

Nyta

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2010

Unless I completely overlooked it, I don't see some of those things in the OP mentioned on that page. Like the titan quests or Jessie Llam offering new things. Where does it say that?

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Holy heck.

Well, this will certainly change a lot of things. My guild (which mostly just plays JQ) will certainly be happy.

While I'm glad I'll be able to farm points easier, I'm not sure I like the change to the glad title. It basically removes any "skill" from the title and turns it into a grind title, much like HA.

Sniper22

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

"Last Halloween, we started offering special holiday drops in GvG battles, rewarding players for killing the enemy Guild Lord instead of going to a tiebreaker. We found this to be an effective way to encourage players to play more aggressively in GvG..."

I find it hard to believe that a few ToT bags will change how people GvG when people have stacks of zkeys from winning tournaments.

Also, implementing emotes for ladder rank won't encourage people to come play again, especially when anet is killing their own game with horrible skill balances (dervs) and pointless additions such as "flux."

Reformed

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

No scaling change to already accumulated Gladiator track progress? Interesting...

Tradable zcoins...lol.

MidnightOokami

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2010

North Carolina

D/

I'm so glad about the JQ change, I was getting tired of collecting Jadeite Shards. I hope the reduced rate of Balthazar won't be too low. I'm hoping 5k Luxon/Kurzick will give 1k Balthazar or something. I can only imagine the amount of people who's going to be upset over the gladiator title.

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reformed View Post
No scaling change to already accumulated Gladiator track progress? Interesting...

Tradable zcoins...lol.
...To compensate players who have already earned progress towards the Gladiator or Codex Title tracks using the old system, we've multiplied current title points by eight...

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

The one funny thing, now everyone is going to queue on Kurzick side of FA, and no-one's going to get a match...

Actually that points out a larger issue. People are still going to be biased to queue up with the "winning" side. This is already an issue with the remaining AB population, many of whom don't care about faction and switch to whomever is favored by the current map. It's a game of chicken to see which players are impatient enough with the wait times to switch to the weaker side, and it's unfortunately going to be biased towards the less serious players that do so, which makes the disadvantaged side even more likely to lose. The ability to switch sides is very much needed but it needs some failsafes to deal with these problems.

Reformed

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedarkmarine View Post
...To compensate players who have already earned progress towards the Gladiator or Codex Title tracks using the old system, we've multiplied current title points by eight...
...and multiplied the tier requirements by 5.

I'm not the only one who will glance at your initial post OP and assume you summarized everything in the Dev update for the sake of brevity, but thanks.

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reformed View Post
...and multiplied the tier requirements by 5.

I'm not the only one who will glance at your initial post OP and assume you summarized everything in the Dev update for the sake of brevity, but thanks.
Those were the official notes, not my summary.

strike two...

AndrewSX

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

E/

New faction to push kurz/lux/balth even further? New quests? Tradeable Zcoin? Not so bad.

...And gotta love Glad since 2nd victory.

Admitting everything is going to be implemented.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
The one funny thing, now everyone is going to queue on Kurzick side of FA, and no-one's going to get a match...

Actually that points out a larger issue. People are still going to be biased to queue up with the "winning" side. This is already an issue with the remaining AB population, many of whom don't care about faction and switch to whomever is favored by the current map. It's a game of chicken to see which players are impatient enough with the wait times to switch to the weaker side, and it's unfortunately going to be biased towards the less serious players that do so, which makes the disadvantaged side even more likely to lose. The ability to switch sides is very much needed but it needs some failsafes to deal with these problems.
They should just make one lobby. So you don't know what side you will spawn as until you get into the game.

AngelWJedi

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

i dunno why we need to be able to trade coins most of the stuff we buy from people who used the coins are higher items like the 15 bag stuff. so even if we buy coins isnt it the same as just buying the item? and wth new minis?! didnt they say their wouldnt be new minis? since its why we got tonics for 6th instead of minis? xD

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelWJedi View Post
i dunno why we need to be able to trade coins most of the stuff we buy from people who used the coins are higher items like the 15 bag stuff. so even if we buy coins isnt it the same as just buying the item? and wth new minis?! didnt they say their wouldnt be new minis? since its why we got tonics for 6th instead of minis? xD
...the fact that items purchased with Z-Coins are themselves tradable meant that this restriction became more of a hindrance than a motivator...

reading is a great skill that can answer your questions

Surgo

Surgo

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2011

What a great update. Thanks for finding it, OP!

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelWJedi View Post
i dunno why we need to be able to trade coins most of the stuff we buy from people who used the coins are higher items like the 15 bag stuff. so even if we buy coins isnt it the same as just buying the item? and wth new minis?! didnt they say their wouldnt be new minis? since its why we got tonics for 6th instead of minis? xD
I think it's more, "we had to stop flooding the market with minis at some point." Adding 4-8 every once in a while for an event/update is fine. 14 every year though for eternity starts to put a strain on the market. 10 years from now, I don't want to have to go "now was the mini great destroyer year 12 or year 13?"

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by thedarkmarine View Post
-The Gladiator title now awards points for every consecutive win in Random Arena, starting with the second.
WAT
TEH
FAK
?

such a good update, till i came across that.

who's responsible for this?

this better be a troll post.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
They should just make one lobby. So you don't know what side you will spawn as until you get into the game.
People in Aspenwood would bitch with the assymetrical nature of the mission, but that would also do alot to balance the two sides. I heartily approve!

Unfortunately, Anet have clearly not had the clairvoyance to implement this, as evidenced by the need for "spy" NPCs in AB outposts.

There's also some problem with players just leaving if they end up on the wrong side, but dishonor may curb that enough.

St??phane Lo Presti

St??phane Lo Presti

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2010

Seattle

Hey everyone,

Yes the details of the developer update notes are correct and this update is going to go live a little bit later today.

The ladder reset is going to happen very soon and the rest will consist in an in-game update being pushed a bit later, as soon as the Live Team have pushed the bits into the tubes with their hands ^^

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

I agree, don't like that urania. But read the whole notes. They are also readjusting the points from the title (both earned and future) just like they did when they changed the win streak requirement from 10 consecutive to 5.

I does make it a grindy-ish title (though I think I'll be playing a lot more RA for the next few weeks regardless). Granted, I said the same thing when they changed it to 5, and eventually got used to it.

Also, since the notes read "May 2011 update" well... it's June. So these updates, quite literally should have been up yesterday. Edit: Ninja'ed by Stephane, my main point was the update must be coming very soon. Stephane, while we have you here, maybe get somebody change the typo with the month.

Artisan Archer

Artisan Archer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Free Wind

R/

Wow. Did not see this coming.

Elnino

Elnino

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

In a house

Proof Of A Nets Laziness[HB]

A/W

Wow, looks interesting.

Strongboxes in GvG? I see some match manipulation on the horizon.

St??phane Lo Presti

St??phane Lo Presti

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2010

Seattle

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Stephane, while we have you here, maybe get somebody change the typo with the month.
We're working on this right now!

King Size

King Size

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2010

Romania

[LSU]

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by urania View Post
WAT
TEH
FAK
?

such a good update, till i came across that.

who's responsible for this?
H A! in the face of sync teams , now it will bother me less if the same team rolls me over 3 times a day

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Have you guys considered reverting the -25 faction penalty for forfeiting an AT? That's the easiest way to get guilds low enough rating to sync with impunity.

Alpha Mayle

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2010

Okinawa, Japan

[SPQR]

A/E

Lame As Usual

Malchior Devenholm

Malchior Devenholm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Dragon Arena!!!

Pshycho Ninjas [oGod] | Vent Rage [vR] | Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
Have you guys considered reverting the -25 faction penalty for forfeiting an AT? That's the easiest way to get guilds low enough rating to sync with impunity.
^This

Needs to happen.

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

Weak update to be honest. Seem to just be throwing up some old ideas...and others. Tradeable z-coins, reworking the glad system this late? Lolwut

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelWJedi View Post
i dunno why we need to be able to trade coins most of the stuff we buy from people who used the coins are higher items like the 15 bag stuff. so even if we buy coins isnt it the same as just buying the item? and wth new minis?! didnt they say their wouldnt be new minis? since its why we got tonics for 6th instead of minis? xD
While I assume they can go in the HoM, there's nothing that says that they actually can. Perhaps they won't. Have to wait until someone gets one to find out. But I'd still bet on them being able to haha.

Reformed

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

I hope you guys fixed Defend North Kryta Province before you hard moded it.

Malchior Devenholm

Malchior Devenholm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Dragon Arena!!!

Pshycho Ninjas [oGod] | Vent Rage [vR] | Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

LADDER RESET!

Let the games begin!

Kc Quipor Ultra

Kc Quipor Ultra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2009

Belgium

TRL

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malchior Devenholm View Post
^This

Needs to happen.
/agree


12char

DiogoSilva

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2011

Girl

E/

For a casual PvPer like me, I find this update to be EXCELLENT.

FINALLY a fair way to get glad points. The 5-wins streak didn't work for a random format.
FINALLY an improvement to AB's rewards and accessibility. Looking forward to playing it again.
And extra pvp rewards overall?

Excellent.

Bristlebane

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

I'm not a PvPer, played GW for nearly 6 years and didn't do much more than the occational AB. Well embrace yourself, a lot of PvP nubs like me might enter the scene. We might not beat you one to one, but we come in large numbers to overwhelm your strategies with our unorthodox "what's this button?" tactics

urania

urania

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

vD

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti View Post
Hey everyone,

Yes the details of the developer update notes are correct and this update is going to go live a little bit later today.

The ladder reset is going to happen very soon and the rest will consist in an in-game update being pushed a bit later, as soon as the Live Team have pushed the bits into the tubes with their hands ^^
So tell me (the live team, that is, because i really feel like murdering someone atm), what's the reason for:
1)removing TA saying its broken and too hard to gain points.
2)keep the same title for RA, that was always a completely and incomaribly worse than TA, skill wise and player wise.
3)BUFF this title for RA, that has been known to be abused by synchers for easy farm.
4)BUFF a title that used to be 1 point per 10 WINS. yes, that is correct, 10 wins. Perhaps you weren't at Anet yet even at the time that was the case.
5)thus BUFF an arena that does not really qualify as random, and barely qualifies as pvp (because one's success isnt determined as much by how good you play, but mostly by how lucky you are or how much you abuse it).

Because helpless crowds cried for a recycled version of cheap ass HA title?
Because you believe this will fix synching? (leaving after each match doesn't really beat whooping every single team with 3 other synched/good mates, sorry)

So do help me understand this mockery and trampling on the little that was left of the "good old days" in an otherwise brilliant update.

AndrewSX

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiogoSilva View Post
For a casual PvPer like me, I find this update to be EXCELLENT.

FINALLY a fair way to get glad points. The 5-wins streak didn't work for a random format.
FINALLY an improvement to AB's rewards and accessibility. Looking forward to playing it again.
And extra pvp rewards overall?

Excellent.
/Agree. Casual PvPer got some love seems.

Gabriel of Ravn

Gabriel of Ravn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Virginia

None, retired to GW2.

W/A

and here comes the update

and envoy weapons?