why are uninscribable or oldschool weapons so special?

archlord

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I've been going through the high end section of ventari's corner and found that people buying and selling crap uninscribable weapons for a large amount of money.

They have crap mods, they're not even inscribable, yet they're so expensive.

So why are inscribable or oldschool weapons so special?

Rushin Roulette

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One word. E-Peen.

However in reality it is more complex than that. They are just collecting them.

What you are seeing is like in real life. People pay loads to own an original Edison Gramophone (Oldschool uninscribable in GW) even though modern day 10$ MP3 players (Inscribable) have better quality, need less space and can hold more than 5 minutes of recording than any old Gramophone.

Addendum;

Another reason which is also rarity. An inscribable weapon is really common, you can get an inscribable Zodiac Sword relatively easilly in the GtoB and can mod it any way you want to. However, finding just that r9 longsword with +5 energy in Urgoz or the Deep is so much harder.

Most of the really high end Trades are for items that only drop in Cantha and are therefore not available in any form as inscribable (Bo Staff, Plagueborn, Outcast fro example). Or they are old and have been removed from the drop tables (requires 7 and 8 max damage/armor items [baring a few r8 items nowadays]).

Pleikki

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Simply for the collectibility, Rarity, e-peen, Just because in many cases its someting most ppl dont have..

Kabong

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Cause it's not junk put in the game by anet in an effort to homogenize things and eliminate elitism...efforts which they then destroyed by introducing inane, useless things like rare pets and tonics.

Cause it's the stuff that made your eyeballs pop out of your head back when the game still had that kind of ummph behind it.

Same reason anybody buys the real thing of anything, in gw or "rl". Cause it's the real thing. Sure you can put something similar together with cheap, easily-obtained pieces, but it's not the same.

Anyone have a red 1983 schwinn predator for sale??

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it's because when you farm that old-school weapon and u finally get a r9 to drop you are on your knees begging the GW gods to let it be 15^50 or +5nrg... and when it isn't you throw your keyboard at the wall.

but now when you get that same skin to drop r9 in NF or out of the z chest... u just say, "hey i got a r9, cool" and you slap whatever mods on it you like and put it on a hero.

there is no comparison in these two feelings from seeing the same skin weapon drop in these instances.

if you see one persons collection of r9 skin weapons all old-school and all perfect vs all new-school and inscribable. then you just laugh at the newer versions... they are more accommodating to be sure, but not as nice to look at

"Anyone have a red 1983 schwinn predator for sale??" i got one... but it will cost you 5 undead kanaxai... lolz

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it's because when you farm that old-school weapon and u finally get a r9 to drop you are on your knees begging the GW gods to let it be 15^50 or +5nrg... and when it isn't you throw your keyboard at the wall.

but now when you get that same skin to drop r9 in NF or out of the z chest... u just say, "hey i got a r9, cool" and you slap whatever mods on it you like and put it on a hero.

there is no comparison in these two feelings from seeing the same skin weapon drop in these instances.

if you see one persons collection of r9 skin weapons all old-school and all perfect vs all new-school and inscribable. then you just laugh at the newer versions... they are more accommodating to be sure, but not as nice to look at

"Anyone have a red 1983 schwinn predator for sale??" i got one... but it will cost you 5 undead kanaxai... lolz
Lmao quoted just for the last part "undead"
On topic the topic needing a thread is just... Anyways its because you can mod inscrip weps whayever way you want but you cant run around like the old days with a 15^50 sword oldschool it gives peopl the satisfaction of having it "drop like that" you will never be able to replicate it no matter what you say all in all oldschool weps are kept on storage but im one of those people that takes his 15^50 longsword with nerfed vs. charr mod and beats them down to look back at the good old days

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette View Post
Most of the really high end Trades are for items that only drop in Cantha and are therefore not available in any form as inscribable (Bo Staff, Plagueborn, Outcast fro example)
For me its this. personally i think Factions has the better skins of all other campaigns... but i don't know. maybe its just the fact that nicely modded weapons aren't come across that often, thus making the good ones few and far between. i'm sure if Serpentine Scepters came with inherent mods only i would think it was sooo much sexier.

there's a Big difference about modding a wand/offhand 10/10 or 20/20, and getting one dropped just made that way. for me anyway. forget that functionality biz. i'm talkin bout sexiness

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If you have half a brain, and know anything about statistics, I think you can figure it out yourself... It's a lot harder to get a good drop uninscr than inscr. In fact, with inscr weapons only the skin matters, but I'm not gonna go there again, if you want, I have a nice closed thread about why inscriptions are so bad and killed a nice part of the game...

Also, Canthan skins are generally speaking far superior... Echovalds, Ornates, Outcast, GoTH (RIP), Zodiac (RIP), Plagueborn, Bladed Shield... Some of the skins have been made inscr (hence my RIP at the GoTH), yet some people still QQ that they want all of them to come inscribable. I just hope that Anet doesn't allow for them to drop inscr with WoC, because if they do, I think I'll be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very mad.

Also, did I mention that I would be very mad?

AndrewSX

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Mostly rarity.
Which is closely connected with e-peen and skins-reqs-mods combinations.

Captain Krompdown

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Because these items represent the heroic triumph of perfection over imperfection. That is why these items will always be the most epic items in the game.

In the world of inscriptions, there is no possibility of imperfection (as long as you splurge for the 15^50 or +5e or whatever inscription). There are, therefore, simply no epic inscription-based items.

Epic > Non-epic...and they (rightly) cost more, too.

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Also, did I mention that I would be very mad?
i don't think you did....

Well yea like said before, they are just a lot harder to get. Getting a nice dual mod shield is way and way rarer than a shield on which you can just put any handle and any inscription you want. Also for weapons, just getting an inscribable zodiac sword is not that hard to get, but getting one with 15^50 or +5 energy, you need to be lucky with the mods, since you can't change them like inscribable weaps, also not every weapon comes inscribable, which makes it sometimes even harder to get with good mods

Bubba The Legendary

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Also lets see your inscriptions replicate my +10 vs charr -2 enchanted shield... Just saying

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Also lets see your inscriptions replicate my +10 vs charr -2 enchanted shield... Just saying
two thumbs up on that one...

animal fighter

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oldschool shields can have armor vs animals

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well i personally dont think that uninscribable weapons are more special than inscr. items...
BUT

i started playing when there were only noninscr items so i like em far more.
also if you go out in elona/eotn and farm some crap you'd get a sword and can mod it however u want...
but if u go out in cantha/tyria and try to get a special skin with for example +5energy it takes faaaar longer to get what u want.

meaning... good modded noninscr items are far rarer. thats why I and many other ppl prefer em i guess.

carnage-runner

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Because NF ruined GW... That's why uninscribable or oldschool weapons are so special... Because they are pre NF. Pre inscriptions. Pre crap.

That's how I feel, and that's how I've always felt. NF brought inscriptions.... Inscribable items brought the downfall of everything.

Inscribable weapons are garbage... CRAP.

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Because NF ruined GW... That's why uninscribable or oldschool weapons are so special... Because they are pre NF. Pre inscriptions. Pre crap.

That's how I feel, and that's how I've always felt. NF brought inscriptions.... Inscribable items brought the downfall of everything.

Inscribable weapons are garbage... CRAP.
I agree. I miss the days when finding a gold max sword while doing a mission or something meant at least 10k. even if it was like 19 under 50% or something. and +30hp mods were 50k+ instead of 3k.

There were also more people playing back then, so people actually got req8s and stuff like that.

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Also lets see your inscriptions replicate my +10 vs charr -2 enchanted shield... Just saying
What skin is it? I have a Crude Shield with +10 vs Charr and -5/20. Took it out for a stroll yesterday doing Nolani Academy zmission. <3

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Also lets see your inscriptions replicate my +10 vs charr -2 enchanted shield... Just saying




There is one of those in there somewhere, it's been used when doing Rragar's I think

Bubba The Legendary

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Its a q13 crude too I absolutely fell in love with the way it looks
It was a birthday present for yesterday or june 15 lmao not sure time diffs so ya...
& bright that round vs,charr shield is so shiny @.@

Partizanovac

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WT[B] swamp club, pm me if you have it, or know someone who does..

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beause insc weapons suck, nf ruined the game, the market, and the joy of nail biting experinece of identifying your req9 fellblade you got somewhere in tyria

period

Gabs88

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Because at some point, no inscribable item holds any value anymore. If you and every single one of your friends can have one, or even ten at a whim. Then it stops being cool

Say Clockwork Scythes, they're rare end chest only drops from a EOTN Dungeon. Having one drop is extremely rare, but yet you can farm enough money to buy a Q9 one in 2-3 hours. Personally, I have 3. Customized and with different mods

Then look at say Outcast Shields, I've been wanting a nice one for years. Right now I got cons worth maybe 4-500e and 300+ ecto on my account. On top of lots of rare items, and lots of this, and lots of that, and some more this and that. Still, I can't buy one. Cause nobody is actually selling one I want. If the perfect one was to pop up in the market, I wouldn't have another opportunity to buy one for another year or so at best. Possibly it would take even more time then that too.

And guess what, there's probably 100 other guys also wanting one. 6-7 of them have enough cash to make a solid bid on it too.

So when one finally pops up, none of us care at all. New ecto you can always get, but another shield just like the one you want. Now that's worse

Then look at Q9 Bone Dragon Staves, ATM i have 2 monks, 2 mesmers, 2 ritualists and 1 MM in my hero team. Getting ahold of a nice BDS for each and every one of them would take me at most a week given that I have the money already.

Starting to see a pattern yet? At some point you run out of interesting things to buy and the only items you want are the ones that nobody is selling

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hey bright i should have asked if you wanted to buy this one for your collection. but i sold it last week... sorry



i'd like to see u get this out of an inscrip shield. perfect for pits...

D H U U U M

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for me both of them are the same cuz no one will see your weapon if its inscrip or not
they only see the skin XD

cataphract

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The point is not what others will see but the feeling you have wielding weapons you love and have invested a lot of effort in obtaining. No true collector will spam click his weapon sets to show off. They bought them for themselves, not for others.

Did I pay 1200e for a monk Bo Staff to show off?
No. I bought it because it was the first Bo to hit the market that had great stats and because I spent years looking for one.

Do I have to suppress laughter when someone wielding a BDS talks about rarity and how expensive it is?
Yes. Because it isn't rare and it sure isn't pretty.

superraptors

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Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
The point is not what others will see but the feeling you have wielding weapons you love and have invested a lot of effort in obtaining. No true collector will spam click his weapon sets to show off. They bought them for themselves, not for others.

Did I pay 1200e for a monk Bo Staff to show off?
No. I bought it because it was the first Bo to hit the market that had great stats and because I spent years looking for one.

Do I have to suppress laughter when someone wielding a BDS talks about rarity and how expensive it is?
Yes. Because it isn't rare and it sure isn't pretty.
got to disagree with bds looking crap, its one of the few decent skins, but there super common, then again its personal preference.

Rushin Roulette

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got to disagree with bds looking crap, its one of the few decent skins, but there super common, then again its personal preference.
As you say, thats purely personal taste. I personally think a BDS looks like an anorexic lizzard with a big stick up ist a..e (although that seems to fit well with so many undernourished assassins running around with black BDS staves).

As it has been said. most really rare staves are uninscribable and have matching stats. Moste of the rarity is the skin droping in very limited areas adn not being something silly such as requires 13 Divine Favor with in inherrant 19% HCT Earth Magic... which to be honest is terribad and would show in any build that tries to capitalize on that.

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Did I pay 1200e for a monk Bo Staff to show off?
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OMG plz say u r kidding 1200e for bo staff its look very very very very normal skin. i maby noob but i always love strange weaps like bds//dhuum scyth /winter green sheild and spear


but i think it depend on ppl for their likes

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i maby noob
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OT: Pretty much what partizanovic said.

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Did I pay 1200e for a monk Bo Staff to show off?

Ooh, can I see it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
The point is not what others will see but the feeling you have wielding weapons you love and have invested a lot of effort in obtaining. No true collector will spam click his weapon sets to show off. They bought them for themselves, not for others.

Did I pay 1200e for a monk Bo Staff to show off?
No. I bought it because it was the first Bo to hit the market that had great stats and because I spent years looking for one.

Do I have to suppress laughter when someone wielding a BDS talks about rarity and how expensive it is?
Yes. Because it isn't rare and it sure isn't pretty.
Do I have to suppress laughter when someone admits to paying 1200e on a forum for a bo staff?
Yes. Because they grossly overpaid and tried to turn it into "I am better than them".

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Do I have to suppress laughter when someone admits to paying 1200e on a forum for a bo staff?
Yes. Because they grossly overpaid and tried to turn it into "I am better than them".
Find another one and suppress all the laughter you want.

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The ones that you should be laughing at are the people that paid that much to get the first BDS - and now there are loads of that exact same staff. In the case of that bo staff - there *might* be a handful of others. And then we could get into mini pets, and other things - bashing someone because they are willing to pay a lot for something rare = fail. The point was that there really are loads of idiots in the game that think a BDS and other inscription crap items are "rare" and they say it and talk it up in game all the time. Hardly anyone works to get something really nice anymore it is just handed to them. I appreciate rare old school items because I had to work hard to get them. Props to you cataphract for being proud of the fact that you actually WORKED to get something and did not just get the average inscription item like everyone else.

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Originally Posted by D H U U U M View Post
OMG plz say u r kidding 1200e for bo staff its look very very very very normal skin. i maby noob but i always love strange weaps like bds//dhuum scyth /winter green sheild and spear


but i think it depend on ppl for their likes
wtf, bo staff is awesome, also becuz of the dye.

I agree with stuey right here, there are just a lot of bds staves around, really common, i like it, but that's just personal preference like said above. Imo inscriptions just make items common. Like i said before, the mods you will find on an uninscr weapon needs to be matching and nice to make it something good, instead of just putting an inscription on it

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Uninscribable or oldschool weapons are special for several reasons, lets break the two up first though. Uninscribable items are special because of peculiar inherent mods, and rarity in that if it isn't perfect on drop, it isn't going to change. Uninscribable items sometimes only come uninscribable and are therefor very rare to get with desired mods. Echovald Shield is a prime example.

Oldschool items are special because... well.. DUH. They no longer drop, and haven't dropped for a long time. They are special because they are exceedingly rare, and you can no longer get one as a drop, not to mention very few are still on active accounts.

So as is obviously clear, the special nature of these types of items is quite significant to some people. Of course, an inscribable longsword will perform just as well as an uninscribable longsword, but that uninscribable longsword was a cool drop for someone because it had perfect stats and a cool skin, not just because it was a cool skin.

cataphract

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got to disagree with bds looking crap, its one of the few decent skins, but there super common, then again its personal preference.
What bothers me about BDS is not the fact it looks like crap but the fact it's smegged up balance wise. The gripping point is far too low for the staff to sit comfortably in character's hands and in current implementation everyone who wields one would be faceplanting all the time. Majority of the staff's weight is at its top and that's just bad design. Gripping point should be directly below the skull and above the ribcage in order for the staff to be in balance.

Bo Staff is simple and elegant. No unneccessary baggage. Nothing to upset its balance.

Btw, Bruce Lee would follow @bo_staff if he were alive. I think his was smiting req.



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Props to you cataphract for being proud of the fact that you actually WORKED to get something and did not just get the average inscription item like everyone else.
And to think my initial idea behind all the DoA runs was to get a Mini Polar Bear. /facepalm Timing of that Bo was absolutely perfect as I had loads of ecto and the bidding war fun too.

superraptors

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too bad i can get a bo staff for 6rps 20/20 any mod brah

people are mostly paying for rarity and bragging reasons not for looks in most situations, now tell me why would someone pay 1750e for a swamp club, its a terrible average skin.

yep those inscription weapons aren't rare but they still get good money because the majority likes them as they are decent skins preferred by the majority, its bad to generalize a skin like bds is crap, then otherwise people won't be buying it, right? it doesn't make people automatic idiots if they buy inscriptable weapons, they buy it because they actually like the skin and want to play the game.

inscriptions definitely made finding the perfect non-inscript much harder but its got to also be one of the best additions to please the pvp crowd who wanted to equip there pve chars.

theres alot of ego in here about why non-inscription is superior, but that's just giving people a false perception that they are special just because they have spent years collecting non-inscriptable oldschool rares, which is frankly just sad.

and bo staff is a neat skin but its not amazing other then its rarity, but then again some people have different tastes.

finding non-inscriptables has obviously gotten much harder because majority are playing eotn and nf, so no surprise there...

inscription: looks + perf mods = cheap and usable
non-inscriptable: looks + perf mods = expensive in most cases and sometimes not efficiently usable

so i guess a perf and good skin non-inscriptable = rare in most cases, so in the end your paying that extra ecto for just the rarity, doesn't bother me but a 20/20 heal bo staff on df req is half useless i might say

i think ill know which one to choose (unless i got left overs).

oh and trust me bo staff is a core weapon in asian martial arts irl

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oh and trust me bo staff is a core weapon in asian martial arts irl
Nowai.


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[sarcasm] [sarcasm/] Bo staves are cool but I way rather a good ol' raven staff. I'm more of a woodland mystic type, not an asian martial arts type.