Hi everyone,
Given the feedback we've received from players about Halloween Festival Hats (notably from those unable to get them due to general power failures), we've decided to offer another opportunity to get the hats. We're aiming to spawn a Halloween Festival Hat Giver in game next week, probably in Lion's Arch and Kamadan, for a week and asking for Halloween items. These details are not final yet but we wanted to give you a heads up and will keep you informed about the details as we get them.
Halloween Festival Hat Giver
St??phane Lo Presti
lemming
Moral of the story: complain angrily enough in public and you'll get your way?
Essence Snow
Just this past event's hats, or any past halloween event's hats?
St??phane Lo Presti
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Just this past event's hats, or any past halloween event's hats?
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Essence Snow
Awwww...."sniffles"...okay
drkn
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And so on...
If it wasn't ANet's fault (as with one of the Wintersday's), a redux seems unfair, unless there'd be an opportunity to get every Festival Hat in game, at some point.
cormac ap dunn
Always wanting more... See Anet, you give a little bit, and they always want more. Moral of the story: give the whiney ones an inch, they take a mile.
Chaos Zero
Quite a few of my friends missed out on this years Halloween hats, so this will be good news for them ^_^
Olle
Sure, we can complain, or be happy that they are actually kind enough to do this.
I was in London and couldent get online, so Thanks alot !
I was in London and couldent get online, so Thanks alot !
mathiastemplar
Thank you for this! I had no time to go online during halloween, really nice to see 
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shinta_himura
Thank you so much!
Loving all the haters complaining about nothing now.
Loving all the haters complaining about nothing now.
dasmitchies
I gots mah hats, but I agree this last year was brutal to a lot of players that were not able to even afk the event. Thanks, ANET
The Drunkard
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Hi everyone,
Given the feedback we've received from players about Halloween Festival Hats (notably from those unable to get them due to general power failures), we've decided to offer another opportunity to get the hats. We're aiming to spawn a Halloween Festival Hat Giver in game next week, probably in Lion's Arch and Kamadan, for a week and asking for Halloween items. These details are not final yet but we wanted to give you a heads up and will keep you informed about the details as we get them. |
Also, if Halloween is going to receive a hat trader, is the live team going to look into doing something like this for Wintersday?
Thanks
` Marshmallow
Hurray~! I didnt wanna afk in LA to get that bag hat:3
Thankies <3
Thankies <3
Konig Des Todes
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What about massive feedback about Festival Hats, notably those that were available years ago, when the playerbase wasn't so large?
And so on... If it wasn't ANet's fault (as with one of the Wintersday's), a redux seems unfair, unless there'd be an opportunity to get every Festival Hat in game, at some point. |
However, since they have - again, might I add - Anet should provide the same services for older things to those who never even owned the game during the time those older things originally took place because it wouldn't fair otherwise.
That makes no sense, as people now actually own the game while they did not in the past. I hope you're being sarcastic when saying that.
Now, if you were to instead say "offer old hats to those whose accounts are old enough" that would be a different story. But would need to be done in a very precise manner.
drkn
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Years ago, people might have missed events due to many random things - they lost power or internet connection (be it a massive issue or not), they had to leave for business, they were threaten by a racoon assassin. Or they simply didn't know about the hats, even though they owned the game.
Many people missed stuff this way. I don't see a reason to let people get a 'second chance' because of 'massive power problems' - something that wasn't ANet's fault (or their servers, or their connection, or their staff's cat).
Doing it just to 'be nice' because some random thing happened to a part of the playerbase isn't enough, in my opinion. Be nice and let the Costume Brawl-like arena be there whole year round, so we can farm Gamer points (what about people who can't play during holidays, cause they have families to spend them with?). Be nice and make the drop rate for xyz higher (what about people who can't farm that long but are very devoted and nice people? it's not their fault they can't dedicate so much time to a game).
akelarumi
I agree this descission seems a bit unfair. It has always been that halloween hats and wintersday hats could only be aquired during the finals. The only reason to make an exception is that they changed the way the event started (not being able to jump from la low number district to kamadan high number district to get both hats at the samer time, though the events aren't in total sync, it was a lot better then before, but before it was in my opinion bugged).
The only true reason I can find is the number of hats given out and the simple fact that GW is preparing for GW2 and preparing to stand alone mode. So maybe it's time to pull an old concept I proposed before into this discussion.
1: make two kinds of hats (from the same kind).
2: All hats aquired during a festival finale are tradable.
3: All hats made at a hatmaker are untradable.
4: after trading a hat you can't show it to a hatmaker
5: all hats showed to the hatmaker before the update can be crafted once/account to it's original form (the one that is tradable) at the hatmaker.
What would this do?
It puts the value of festival hats in the hands of the market. if you where there you can sell that hat for money one time and still remake the hat for personal use at the hatmaker. If you miss a finale hat you can buy one from another player, but not replicate it. The price will be decided by market so on rarity and skin. People who attended to the 2005 halloween finale event and got a pumkin crown prolly can make a nice amount of money out of. People who really wish to have it, can buy it.
And I know all those people who say I don't want people who weren't there to have those hats complain, but the answer is simple. if you don't want that don't sell your one copy of it....... (yes a lot of people will go for the, money, but you are still the idealist, and in the end I think its better then having a hat giver for weeks/even months after every event).
The only true reason I can find is the number of hats given out and the simple fact that GW is preparing for GW2 and preparing to stand alone mode. So maybe it's time to pull an old concept I proposed before into this discussion.
1: make two kinds of hats (from the same kind).
2: All hats aquired during a festival finale are tradable.
3: All hats made at a hatmaker are untradable.
4: after trading a hat you can't show it to a hatmaker
5: all hats showed to the hatmaker before the update can be crafted once/account to it's original form (the one that is tradable) at the hatmaker.
What would this do?
It puts the value of festival hats in the hands of the market. if you where there you can sell that hat for money one time and still remake the hat for personal use at the hatmaker. If you miss a finale hat you can buy one from another player, but not replicate it. The price will be decided by market so on rarity and skin. People who attended to the 2005 halloween finale event and got a pumkin crown prolly can make a nice amount of money out of. People who really wish to have it, can buy it.
And I know all those people who say I don't want people who weren't there to have those hats complain, but the answer is simple. if you don't want that don't sell your one copy of it....... (yes a lot of people will go for the, money, but you are still the idealist, and in the end I think its better then having a hat giver for weeks/even months after every event).
Dewshine Wildclaw
First of all I think it is nice of Anet to add this, but I am sure others will be happy with this change. I sincerely hope that the halloween hatgiver will be a returning thing though, same with wintersday hatgiver.
It is good to be nice even if it was not Anets fault, however it does sorta require the same service is given if it similar should happen anywhere else. Would it have mattered if it had been some part of Scandinavia that would have had this problem? We don't have districts for our languages, perhaps we are really a smaller part of the playerbase, bus some of us are just as devoted to the game as people everywhere else.
It is good to be nice even if it was not Anets fault, however it does sorta require the same service is given if it similar should happen anywhere else. Would it have mattered if it had been some part of Scandinavia that would have had this problem? We don't have districts for our languages, perhaps we are really a smaller part of the playerbase, bus some of us are just as devoted to the game as people everywhere else.
StormDragonZ
If you don't pick up the hats this time around, it's your own GO RED ENGINE fault.
Period!
Period!
Leohan
Unlike some, others can think of the future, if anyone even read the original discussion of this matter.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...tml?t=10496882
It's about thinking ahead. GW1 and GW2 are going to be side by side and there needs to be a more open window for players to participate in both games.
Anet is thinking ahead.
There will be Halloween Events in GW1 & GW2, everyone does not sit at their computer all day. Giving people a week to obtain special one time only items is not only good for players, but good for Anet to keep people playing both games.
For those who can't see why this is beneficial for all parties, than I guess that's your problem.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...tml?t=10496882
It's about thinking ahead. GW1 and GW2 are going to be side by side and there needs to be a more open window for players to participate in both games.
Anet is thinking ahead.
There will be Halloween Events in GW1 & GW2, everyone does not sit at their computer all day. Giving people a week to obtain special one time only items is not only good for players, but good for Anet to keep people playing both games.
For those who can't see why this is beneficial for all parties, than I guess that's your problem.
Rise of Cpu
I am pretty sure while you all are moaning about this, you should know that the developers and moderators have all been assigned different jobs during the creation of gw2, not every developer is on the task, some are still monitoring gw1. So in this case, there is a team that is specifically focused on the game we are currently playing. Adding an npc isn't too hard, they have the code already for the lad, just need to place him in LA. Personally I think its an easier choice they can make and implement. Seriously the main priority of anet is to focus on making the gaming playerbase happy. They want to keep the population at good numbers so that they can have a good playerbase entering gw2. Never stop trying to please the customer even if you have something else to do. We are all lucky to have such pleasant human beings on the development of the game we love or for some of you that might 'hate' it.
lemming
I think we're all curious about whether or not this is going to be a long-term policy change.
cosyfiep
I am glad that they were able to see that the major power outage on the east coast was worthy of getting a hat giver for this event.
thank you anet.
thank you anet.
GODh
I already have my hats, but its good to see that anet cares about players who missed them (for whatever reason)
Zenzai
I know I am. And are they going to use tot bags to exchange for the masks? I can smell expliotation all over that from sellers. More so than usual if this is not a long-term policy.
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Unless these power outages were on Arenanet's side, which I don't see it directly mentioned in the OP, I don't understand why they should. It's a bit unfair of arenanet to stop for the rest of the world each time there is some act of god or accident they aren't directly linked to. Yeah, it's a pity otherwise if a part of the world was cut off for some time from the all-powerful internet and electricity, but I think that's a bigger priority, in itself, than meeting some game date if that's the case.
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Unless these power outages were on Arenanet's side, which I don't see it directly mentioned in the OP, I don't understand why they should. It's a bit unfair of arenanet to stop for the rest of the world each time there is some act of god or accident they aren't directly linked to. Yeah, it's a pity otherwise if a part of the world was cut off for some time from the all-powerful internet and electricity, but I think that's a bigger priority, in itself, than meeting some game date if that's the case.
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I am pretty sure while you all are moaning about this, you should know that the developers and moderators have all been assigned different jobs during the creation of gw2, not every developer is on the task, some are still monitoring gw1. So in this case, there is a team that is specifically focused on the game we are currently playing. Adding an npc isn't too hard, they have the code already for the lad, just need to place him in LA. Personally I think its an easier choice they can make and implement. Seriously the main priority of anet is to focus on making the gaming playerbase happy. They want to keep the population at good numbers so that they can have a good playerbase entering gw2. Never stop trying to please the customer even if you have something else to do. We are all lucky to have such pleasant human beings on the development of the game we love or for some of you that might 'hate' it.
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hallomik
Also already got my hats, but glad to see that others who missed out can get theirs.
Anet didn't have to, but nice they did.
Anet didn't have to, but nice they did.
Mesmers Are Bad
I wasn't going to complain about not getting my hats due to the week long power outage, but I have to say a huge Thank You to ANet for being awesome and understanding how to keep a player base happy!
cormac ap dunn
Glad as I am for those that missed this opportunity for valid reasons out of thier own control, I'm afraid of the wave of THIS. Its already a problem in most games, and GW is no different. Every time this game gets something free, unexpected, new or different, the general population is grateful. But along come the self entitled, its not enough, "more more more" types. The first place those with no sense of gratitude go is this forum, in the hopes that something just like this will happen. So kudos, Anet, for listening but be aware of what you may have just called down.
Star_Jewel
I don't understand the people getting their noses out of joint over this. Does the hat giver at the Dragon Festival make your blood boil every year, too? What about the one at Wintersday that's had the gall to show up the last two years?
I always attend the finales and get my hats "the right way" (whatever that might mean). And because I don't live in a part of the country prone to disastrous storms and outages, I should continue to be able to do that. But if this is a permanent addition, and if the Wintersday one also continues to appear permanently, it makes me very happy because it makes sense.
This isn't about indulging whiners. It's about bringing cohesion to the events.
All festivals with unique hats should have a hat giver afterwards. It's silly to just have it for 1/3 or 2/3.
Thank you, ANet.
I always attend the finales and get my hats "the right way" (whatever that might mean). And because I don't live in a part of the country prone to disastrous storms and outages, I should continue to be able to do that. But if this is a permanent addition, and if the Wintersday one also continues to appear permanently, it makes me very happy because it makes sense.
This isn't about indulging whiners. It's about bringing cohesion to the events.
All festivals with unique hats should have a hat giver afterwards. It's silly to just have it for 1/3 or 2/3.
Thank you, ANet.
Polgara Val
Glad to see the people missing out will get there hats now. Still wish I can get my hands on the first year hats.
Pol
Pol
cormac ap dunn
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I don't understand the people getting their noses out of joint over this. Does the hat giver at the Dragon Festival make your blood boil every year, too? What about the one at Wintersday that's had the gall to show up the last two years?
I always attend the finales and get my hats "the right way" (whatever that might mean). And because I don't live in a part of the country prone to disastrous storms and outages, I should continue to be able to do that. But if this is a permanent addition, and if the Wintersday one also continues to appear permanently, it makes me very happy because it makes sense. This isn't about indulging whiners. It's about bringing cohesion to the events. All festivals with unique hats should have a hat giver afterwards. It's silly to just have it for 1/3 or 2/3. Thank you, ANet. |
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The only concern I have is the people who will not see it as enough and want the past hats, then its just a snowball effect.
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Star_Jewel
Well, it's human nature to always want more. And it seems online games amplify such human tendencies.
People have always wanted the past hats, but I don't think this is the tiny pebble to get that snowball rolling.
It's two different issues, in my opinion.
I honestly don't know how I feel about the prospect of offering past hats. A lot of people want them (I wasn't playing in the old days and might like some, too); but by the same token, I know those who have them feel special because of their exclusivity.
Bottom line from my perspective: I loudly supported adding the Halloween hat giver. I wouldn't do the same for requesting "hats of holidays past" (cute label, though).
People have always wanted the past hats, but I don't think this is the tiny pebble to get that snowball rolling.
It's two different issues, in my opinion.
I honestly don't know how I feel about the prospect of offering past hats. A lot of people want them (I wasn't playing in the old days and might like some, too); but by the same token, I know those who have them feel special because of their exclusivity.
Bottom line from my perspective: I loudly supported adding the Halloween hat giver. I wouldn't do the same for requesting "hats of holidays past" (cute label, though).
Rise of Cpu
the actual bottom line is that they implemented something into the game because they were being sincere. I don't think they mind if the community still moans, I just think it was to please the community a little instead of getting rid of complaints. I don't think you have to worry about the 'snowball effect', if people complain and they do fix that up for availability for past year hats, then the veteran community will moan also about how the fairness of it all has been adjusted.
Just chill. This was a good move by Anet, at least they are making moves ahead, rather than backwards (like some games I can mention - SWG).
Just chill. This was a good move by Anet, at least they are making moves ahead, rather than backwards (like some games I can mention - SWG).
Zenzai
If they couldn't get on for the last week, and they require ToT bags, there are still going to be people who aren't going to get them. They'll probably require at least 125, which is going off of tradition. Don't cheer just yet.
Vanway
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Unlike some, others can think of the future, if anyone even read the original discussion of this matter.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...tml?t=10496882 It's about thinking ahead. GW1 and GW2 are going to be side by side and there needs to be a more open window for players to participate in both games. Anet is thinking ahead. There will be Halloween Events in GW1 & GW2, everyone does not sit at their computer all day. Giving people a week to obtain special one time only items is not only good for players, but good for Anet to keep people playing both games. For those who can't see why this is beneficial for all parties, than I guess that's your problem. |
also, why do the mods delete every anti anet post ever, even if it says something legitimate?
cormac ap dunn
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If they couldn't get on for the last week, and they require ToT bags, there are still going to be people who aren't going to get them. They'll probably require at least 125, which is going off of tradition. Don't cheer just yet.
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Odinius
This is a good thing and really should be the standard for all events.
Lots of other mmo's have the festival gear available through quests that start when the decorations go up.
The are a lot of people playing which all have different agenda's and giving the community as a whole more time to aquire something fun in the game is only improving it.
Indeed and that should be true for every company that provides you a service if you can state a legit REASON and POINT of your complaint. (although "angry and public" are not mandatory, the guy on here was just venting(angry) his displeasure in his thread(public) so those two aspects could not be avoided, it is a forum after all)
If I go to a restaurant and complain:
that my soup is cold: legit it should be warm.
that my soup is too hot: not legit, just wait.
that my soup is too salt: might be legit chef has to check, could be own fault but most of the time chef offers new soup.
that my soup tastes weird: might be ligit, might be taste, most of the time you get a new one
that I don't like my soup: matter of taste, you ordered a soup that you never had before and just don't like it, still, although not very often, chef offers you a new soup.
And these are just some simple examples which apply to everything you encounter in life.
Complaining isn't always a bad thing, it improves the service of the company (adding a hat giver in this case) and should NEVER be mistaken for whining whis is often without reason or point.
Lots of other mmo's have the festival gear available through quests that start when the decorations go up.
The are a lot of people playing which all have different agenda's and giving the community as a whole more time to aquire something fun in the game is only improving it.
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Moral of the story: complain angrily enough in public and you'll get your way?
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If I go to a restaurant and complain:
that my soup is cold: legit it should be warm.
that my soup is too hot: not legit, just wait.
that my soup is too salt: might be legit chef has to check, could be own fault but most of the time chef offers new soup.
that my soup tastes weird: might be ligit, might be taste, most of the time you get a new one
that I don't like my soup: matter of taste, you ordered a soup that you never had before and just don't like it, still, although not very often, chef offers you a new soup.
And these are just some simple examples which apply to everything you encounter in life.
Complaining isn't always a bad thing, it improves the service of the company (adding a hat giver in this case) and should NEVER be mistaken for whining whis is often without reason or point.
Aeronwen
If you weren't there, you weren't there!
Why does everything have to be made available to everyone?
-- (Terry Pratchett, The Truth)
Why does everything have to be made available to everyone?
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Oleg
I'm surprised no-one has complained about the hats pre-hat maker when each char had to attend to get the hat. I missed out on a couple so that multiple chars could have the same hat that I preferred. Not really a big deal, but surprising no-one has jumped up and down about it.
Good on Anet for letting more people get this year's hats. I don't see a downside. I also see no downside to Anet reading opinions in Guru and making alterations based on what people have said.
It seems that complaints lead to getting what people want because complaints require change for resolution. Praise will only promote the status quo, which results in no change. If you weren't happy with something and stayed silent, how did you expect it to be changed?
The thing about the event complaints is people provided a basis for complaint and then provided a workable solution, a festival hat NPC. So the message to take form this: If you aren't happy with something, clearly state why and offer a solution and things may change in your favor.
Good on Anet for letting more people get this year's hats. I don't see a downside. I also see no downside to Anet reading opinions in Guru and making alterations based on what people have said.
It seems that complaints lead to getting what people want because complaints require change for resolution. Praise will only promote the status quo, which results in no change. If you weren't happy with something and stayed silent, how did you expect it to be changed?
The thing about the event complaints is people provided a basis for complaint and then provided a workable solution, a festival hat NPC. So the message to take form this: If you aren't happy with something, clearly state why and offer a solution and things may change in your favor.