Update - Thursday, February 9, 2012 (Winds of Change Part 3)
Horace Slughorn
can we start documenting what's coming out of these lockboxes? also I've heard at least 2 new minis, are these in the lockboxes or random drops from npcs?
Swingline
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Originally Posted by alextheprecise
When you complete the Final Encounter in HM Zei Ri becomes you're third ritualist hero.
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shadowfell
I'd like to see a picture of the golden scepters =)
Shayne Hawke
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Originally Posted by Swingline
You troll sir.
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Wielder Of Magic
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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke
You didn't beat it in HM yet.
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Zei Ri is a new Rt hero, obtainable after finishing the chain in HM.
Slowpokeking
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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic
confirmed.
Zei Ri is a new Rt hero, obtainable after finishing the chain in HM. |
shadowfell
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic
confirmed.
Zei Ri is a new Rt hero, obtainable after finishing the chain in HM. |
upier
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Originally Posted by Wielder Of Magic
confirmed.
Zei Ri is a new Rt hero, obtainable after finishing the chain in HM. |
I am all for a new rit hero, just not as a HM reward.
Horace Slughorn
Something isn't adding up right. The Anet blog said there would be 9 new quests. I count 7 as part of the final chain, and 1 given by Lei Jeng ("redemption of the lost")... which makes 8 total. Are we missing 1?
It could be that "memories of purity" is the 9th quest, but that doesn't really have an objective... i'm thinking it just controls whether there are WoC spawns in cantha or not.
It could be that "memories of purity" is the 9th quest, but that doesn't really have an objective... i'm thinking it just controls whether there are WoC spawns in cantha or not.
FoxBat
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Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn
Something isn't adding up right. The Anet blog said there would be 9 new quests. I count 7 as part of the final chain, and 1 given by Lei Jeng ("redemption of the lost")... which makes 8 total. Are we missing 1?
It could be that "memories of purity" is the 9th quest, but that doesn't really have an objective... i'm thinking it just controls whether there are WoC spawns in cantha or not. |
Horace Slughorn
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
Lei Jing offers two quests, the other is "finding Jinni." It involves Zenmai, so you might have to recruit her as a hero first.
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Da Kenster
In Calling All Thugs, would advise against calling Lady Ulga cute, everyone decided to attack me then. That's what I get for being nice...
bj91x
Wow, a hero for completing WoC in HM. I'm guessing a LOT of players will be unhappy about this. I completed up to Minister Cho's Estate in HM just to see what all the fuss was about with this quest's difficulty. I can't imagine most players being able to complete WoC in HM.
Fortunately, I still have additional merc hero slots I'm not using so I don't care about Zei Ri. However, this has got to suck for a lot of players.
Fortunately, I still have additional merc hero slots I'm not using so I don't care about Zei Ri. However, this has got to suck for a lot of players.
Galderyn
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Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn
i thought miku gave "finding jinnai". redemption of the lost does involve zenmai, i've completed that.
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enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by bj91x
Wow, a hero for completing WoC in HM. I'm guessing a LOT of players will be unhappy about this. I completed up to Minister Cho's Estate in HM just to see what all the fuss was about with this quest's difficulty. I can't imagine most players being able to complete WoC in HM.
I can't say I'm too happy about this but fortunately, I don't care about Zei Ri and I don't need another hero. I still have an extra merc hero slot that I'm not using. |
bj91x
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Um, didn't they just rebalance the quests though? So it might be more viable now. Anyway, he's a Rit. Do we really need a third rit hero? 2 seems optimal to me. Of course, this guy frees Razah up to do something else.
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I'm still not sure I want to try to get Zei Ri, though. It's not that I didn't enjoy WoC quests. It's just that completing all three parts for all 10 characters is a drag. It was a drag completing all NM WoC part 2 quests for 10 characters and I don't look forward to doing this for part 3. After that, thinking of doing it all over again from part 1 for all 10 characters... Though if the upcoming balance changes for the remaining professions seem fun, that would give me reason to go through WoC again.
drkn
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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
I don't believe it's impossible to innovate without making things that would be strictly better than what's currently the best.
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Originally Posted by upier
the idea of putting one of the best heroes in the game at the end of a HM chain sounds pretty insane.
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@down: oh, it is. In the end, the 'problem' is that you get a better hero after beating the quest chain in HM than you get after NM. Party-wise, you get a better reward for beating a harder obstacle. Story-wise, Miku being for everyone and the rit being only for those who invest more time for the cause also seems plausible.
More so, you don't HAVE TO do it. You don't get anything but the hero himself, not even an additional statue for HoM that comes (not) along with the new heroes.
So you may treat WoC HM as something you might come back to in a few months, when you feel like playing GW again.
bj91x
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Originally Posted by drkn
It's like whining that HM DoA yields more gemstones than NM DoA.
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Horace Slughorn
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Originally Posted by Galderyn
Lei Jeng is actually offering two quests Redemption of the Lost, and Vassal States.
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Kc Quipor Ultra
So where does Part 3 start ? in KC or @ miku ?
in KC or @ miku ?
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Originally Posted by drkn
More so, you don't HAVE TO do it. You don't get anything but the hero himself, not even an additional statue for HoM that comes (not) along with the new heroes.
So you may treat WoC HM as something you might come back to in a few months, when you feel like playing GW again. |
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Kc Quipor Ultra
So where does Part 3 start ?
in KC or @ miku ? |
Mintha Syl
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Originally Posted by drkn
In the end, the 'problem' is that you get a better hero after beating the quest chain in HM than you get after NM. Party-wise, you get a better reward for beating a harder obstacle. Story-wise, Miku being for everyone and the rit being only for those who invest more time for the cause also seems plausible.
More so, you don't HAVE TO do it. You don't get anything but the hero himself, not even an additional statue for HoM that comes (not) along with the new heroes. So you may treat WoC HM as something you might come back to in a few months, when you feel like playing GW again. |
The similitude with gemstone doesn't stand at all, in that case is only a matter of numbers, you can get the same amount by doing NM more times, or buying them. Instead there's no other way to get Zei Ri. I mean, Razah used to be obtained only through DoA completion, they changed it because it was bit crazy to have to do all that to get a hero...and now they do this reverse. IMHO it makes few sense and I see a lot of people are going to complain, even if they made woc hm easier now the majority won't want to do it all in HM anyway. I stand my mind that HM should give more in numbers, not in uniqueness, and correct me if I'm wrong but it seemed to always have been a basic concept in this game.
Raccoon
Would love to see some more people upload images of what the weapons look like. The wiki is failing me hard.
shadowfell
There are pictures of the caster scepter and focus a page or so back. =]
Mintha Syl
Anyone got the bow? I'm really curious about it!
lemming
Since I've seen more than one person post about saving up to unlock the panda in the Menagerie: Do you foresee that being cheaper than buying a panda license in the short run?
Swingline
Probably, the license is pretty rare. So far I've opened 30+ strongboxes and no minis or license. Besides its a panda, everyone wants a pet panda.
Coast
do we get reiko as the 3rd mesmer hero?
Also: I wonder why they let us have pandas that can die now, as its not allowed in china.
Anyone knows more about this?
Also: I wonder why they let us have pandas that can die now, as its not allowed in china.
Anyone knows more about this?
Swingline
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Originally Posted by Coast
do we get reiko as the 3rd mesmer hero?
Also: I wonder why they let us have pandas that can die now, as its not allowed in china. Anyone knows more about this? |
You actually get a Mesmer if you want. Switch Razah to Mesmer ^^
SongOf
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Originally Posted by Swingline
We get Miku from the NM quests and Zei Ri as a rit from HM
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WinterSnowblind
I really loved these new quests, it's surprising they took such a huge step up after the first batch were so lame. It's now probably the most entertaining quest line in the entire game. Really interesting story too!
Disappointed I didn't get any good drops, but oh well.
Disappointed I didn't get any good drops, but oh well.
drkn
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Seriously, it's like whining that something in GW requires actually some input and is harder than rolling your face on the keyboard on the way. On the contrary - it was a GREAT move from ANet that they added something both different and superior as a reward for HM when compared to NM, and not just more of the same. It gives the actual incentive to play through HM WoC.
The 'problem' starts when you wanted to have three rit heroes to run even more broken PvE teambuild (like it's needed...) without buying mercenary heroes, and you don't like the amount and the difficulty of work required to get the new hero.
More so, not having Zei Ri unlocked (or Miku, as well) doesn't put you at any real disadvantage. It doesn't take a free HoM point away as with the basic heroes, it doesn't make it harder to get into a human group as with EotN reputation titles/skills (and yeah, i imagine grinding those on 10 characters really sucks). It only leaves you with the heroes you currently have, and it's not like beating everything in game without an additional rit hero is impossible now.
AndrewSX
I'm the only one who saw the Reiko's skills a reference to what Mesmers will do in GW2? 
Btw, nice 3rd part, GJ.
Btw, nice 3rd part, GJ.
Yawgmoth
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Originally Posted by drkn
I'd like to see some constructive examples, as i believe it's NOT possible to introduce anything outright new without changing/breaking the existing mechanics. What else, besides some new (or recycled, taken from NPCs) skins they could add? A new weapon type? A hammer with six mods?
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Also, there are many old, existing but non-mainstream items which could be reused, for example have a shield with +5 energy (like a worse Chimeric Prism, the mod could be conditional and it wouldn't break things.), or some variations on other preorder items. They could bring back no-req staves in some way (this time with variable HSR), they could do a green dual reduction shield (-2ench/-3hexed would be great to have), Paragon shields with +armor vs mob classes would also be nice. Even something like an unconditional +13%dmg mod wouldn't break anything.
They could also try doing mods that work only in PvE...
Basically the worst thing they did was introducing the inscription system with Nightfall, that ruined so much, since that moment almost no interesting worthwhile weapons were added to the game, and greens especially lost their appeal and reason to exist. They had a chance to do something bigger with EotN expansion but did nothing (zero innovation) other than bringing more uberpowerful consumables that turn players into level30 godlikes when stacked.
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by AndrewSX
I'm the only one who saw the Reiko's skills a reference to what Mesmers will do in GW2?
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Willie Lumpkin
I've written up a big summary with my thoughts at the end on Post-Launch Reviews. Check it out if you're interested. Includes a screenshot of the imperial staff at the end, if you haven't seen it yet.
http://postlaunch.blogspot.com/2012/...ge-part-3.html
If you don't want to hit the link, I'll summarize: I thought Winds of Change turned out really great (after the rough start clearing out those Afflicted) and the rewards are much better than expected. I especially liked the boss battle with Reiko and its sort of "sneak preview" of some GW2 Mesmer mechanics. All around awesome!
http://postlaunch.blogspot.com/2012/...ge-part-3.html
If you don't want to hit the link, I'll summarize: I thought Winds of Change turned out really great (after the rough start clearing out those Afflicted) and the rewards are much better than expected. I especially liked the boss battle with Reiko and its sort of "sneak preview" of some GW2 Mesmer mechanics. All around awesome!
Mr_Finesse
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Originally Posted by Willie Lumpkin
I've written up a big summary with my thoughts at the end on Post-Launch Reviews. Check it out if you're interested. Includes a screenshot of the imperial staff at the end, if you haven't seen it yet.
http://postlaunch.blogspot.com/2012/...ge-part-3.html If you don't want to hit the link, I'll summarize: I thought Winds of Change turned out really great (after the rough start clearing out those Afflicted) and the rewards are much better than expected. I especially liked the boss battle with Reiko and its sort of "sneak preview" of some GW2 Mesmer mechanics. All around awesome! |
AngelWJedi
from what i heard its way cheaper to farm for the gold coins and unlock that way then buythe panda token. and ugh really?! i have to finish woc hm for the new rt hero..yea im not getting him..couldnt get past cho's hm and even thought i would love a new rt hero its not worth the hassle to do woc hm. xD now to keep reminding myself save zaishen coins save them xD