Kickstarter for Guild Wars 1? Could Work?

Vann Borakul

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Perhaps the main problem with this is that they would have to divert key employees away from GW2. They won't do that when their work will be more profitable in GW2. And they can't hire newbies or use people not very familiar with GW1 or else it won't be very good.

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lemming yep. I'm honest enough to say that i totally suck at math.

That's the reason I have gone to law school. I'm better reading than doing calculations.

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Originally Posted by xgottadollax View Post
I'm all for Gw1 expansion, but I don't see why, when they can make 3x the money with a GW2 expansion whenever they decide to announce it.

I love GW1, I still prefer it over GW2, but all biased opinions aside, its common sense, GW2 brings in a lot more money than GW1 ever will. Business is business.


Gw2 made more money in half a year than Gw1 ever did in its 7-8 year span.
Thats the entire point. GW1 is still profitable. Maybe not profitable as much as GW2 but profitable enough to draw their attention to us too.

It's not me it's them! They said it was easy almost free of charge to develop to GW1 since all the tools are done. Hey there is still demand and most of all, lots of easy money involved.

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Holy sh*t we have 816 (59 members and 757 guests). I haven't seen this for awhile. It can be just coincidence. But should I believe?!

mitchCC

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Is there any easier way to contact them rather then facebook/twitter? Because I feel as though that is a very indirecy way of going about it.

I would really like to see some action taken on this matter, I'm willing to be a part of this and put the work in rather than it just being a pipe dream. The way to go is definitely propose the idea to ArenaNet then using kickstarter absolve them of any real financial investment.

lemming

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Let's be serious, though - $50,000 in salary alone over four months is enough to keep about 4-5 people employed. I wouldn't be surprised if either War in Kryta or Winds of Change took at least three times that many man-hours.

Eye of the North took over a year of work from a significantly larger team to make, and that only retailed at $40 MSRP on release. How is a skeleton crew working for 1/3 the time supposed to make something worth $50? (I doubt the whole "supporting Anet" angle is going to play all that well if you're also seeking to hook disillusioned GW2 players.)

Also, keep in mind that the majority of people expressing interest in won't actually follow through with any sort of commitment, especially a financial one. Just because there've been spectacularly successful Kickstarters doesn't mean that every single one will work as well.

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What some people need to understand (and seriously, I'm not pointing any fingers to anyone, I swear) its that there is no harm to try. The worst that can happen is that we get a big resounding "NO" from ArenaNet.

The question is: It's worth the try?! It's going to take a lot of effort to do this?!

For me the answer is: yes and then no. But for the second one we obviously need backup and working. At minimum.

lemming

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By all means, go for it. Don't expect Anet to take you seriously if your expectations are this unrealistic, though.

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And what would call realistic expectation?! Do you care to explain your point of view?!

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Originally Posted by I ride my Pokemon View Post
Lets put in a really really bad scenario into our minds just to have a parameter:

1) They said in interviews that it was extremely easy to create content for GW because they had all the tools since the "development was long ago complete".

2) If they did a whole lot of content, A WHOLE LOT, that would take at most 4 months of hard work at most, which would not cost for the company more than 50k.

3) If they put this new content for...lets say $49 and then sell 30,000 copies which is extremely reasonable they would have an income of 1.470.000,00 dollars (not even a gout of sweat for that revenue) If they sell 200,000 copies which is likely to happen since most of users comeback to play this game and thats been proven and happening for almost 6 yrs straight they would had 10 million bucks. Yep. 10 millions bucks.

Now if it was "remade" Guild Wars 1 game, you could easily throw 400,000 copies at worst scenario and gezus do the math.

4) Now take it for granted what ArenaNet could do with 500 grand of a Kickstart project?! Hell they don't even need the money. It's just lack of perspective. They don't believe in their own "child".

5) What realistic they have to lose?! Absolutely nothing.


Its so freaking easy to rehash guild wars that even users have done that with mods. Its kinda absurd thinking that it would not succeed.
I bolded some stuff for you.

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I'm confused. I said what's realistic expectation for you and bold stuff agreeing with me?!

sun strike

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i'll explain it for you, since you lack commonsense.

1. Takes a whole lot more than 4 months to create an expansion
2. 49 bucks for a 4month development of an expansion is ridiculous, would be rushed and garbage, let alone the cost, nobody will purchase it.
3. as stated above, 30k copies is laughable let alone half of it.
4. most users wont comeback to play, this game has been losing players ever since the start of prophecies, each expansion never boosted game population for a long period of time and it won't happen with the next one either i am afraid.

cosyfiep

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guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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I agree that the game will never be what it was during prophecies, but I also see that there are a LOT of people who are coming back from gw2--for whatever reason--so having something new on the original would be a good thing AND make some money for them, as to exactly how many copies, I am not even going to attempt a guess.

I think what pokemon is saying is that they have said in the past that it would be very easy to make a bunch of new quests for gw since everything is in place--so 4 months is not unreasonable from that standpoint, and since it would only take a 'few minutes to set up' for each one, it wouldnt take anyone too much time to do it either. (cant find the dev quote for that one, but they have said it). Though I think they were just fooling around when they said it (probably a comparison to how much time and effort it takes to make ONE silly gw2 whatever they call them).

Artisan Archer

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If you want to bring something to the attention of ANet, persuasively, social media is probably the best way to go. This forum is not going to persuade anyone. How many people are posting in this thread? 25? 1000 views? You'll need like 10,000 people supporting your idea (whatever that even is) to get any attention from a company.

If you want to achieve something you need to find the common denominator that A LOT OF PEOPLE can agree on and push that out there online and in the face of ANet.
Kvinna had the right idea, twitter, facebookpage all that stuff is your best bet.

I'm not going to do it because it's gonna take a lot of effort and I would assume no return, but I'm sure a lot of people like me wouldn't mind supporting it, if I agree with the general premises.

I mean for example; new quests/content? - lol idc really
You need to find a something EVERYONE wants from ANet and push that.

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The idea was: Let the Community speak for itself. Start a Kickstarter project and see how it goes. Test the soil. There wouldn't be any financial harm to them, nor us. They don't even have to pay for the host page or a bank account, and if what they find as reasonable goals wasn't achieved: MOVE ON!

Now some people seem to have read just the last page of the topic (a hint it's not leemming) and can't use their brains for nothing out but bashing garbage.

The whole point is to flag to ArenaNet to consider the idea. Neither more nor less. If they don't move an inch, FINE. Let's carry on with our life's.

But some seem to believe that what we are asking is to them to develop for us from sheer pity.

Well if that's the general opinion, fine too. Obsidian Entertainment, Cloud Imperium Games, Double Fine Adventure & others are having a blast right now developing, as some tend to believe, because they pity their public.

Razer.blue

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Originally Posted by I ride my Pokemon View Post
The idea was: Let the Community speak for itself. Start a Kickstarter project and see how it goes.
You can't just start a Kickstarter project and just see how it goes.
Before you start the actual project you should;

Get on paper the demands and wishes of the community (another expansion, an add-on or simply some new content with new quests)
Make a realistic estimation for the budget
Promote the project (e.g. Social media, forums, in-game)

Just to mention a few points. Neverthless I'm sure that there are enough players wanting to try out a new add-on. A project like this could work but you shouldn't think too light about it.

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Originally Posted by Razer.blue View Post
You can't just start a Kickstarter project and just see how it goes.
Before you start the actual project you should;

Get on paper the demands and wishes of the community (another expansion, an add-on or simply some new content with new quests)
Make a realistic estimation for the budget
Promote the project (e.g. Social media, forums, in-game)

Just to mention a few points. Neverthless I'm sure that there are enough players wanting to try out a new add-on. A project like this could work but you shouldn't think too light about it.
Exactly!

I'm not thinking lightly.The problem is apparently we can't create a Kickstarter project on our own. Arena Net has to do it itself and i highly doubt that they would let us draw up the "planning" on their name.

So much so that doesn't mean it wouldn't work. We just have to show them that the idea is valid and it has been successfully done before.

ectogasm

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Anet's problem isn't funding, so kickstarter is pointless.

fireflyry

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Internetuser

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Look as much as many of us WANT GW1 to be restored to even a fraction of it's former glory it just isn't possible guys. As said previously in this thread by someone, they are gently trying to tell us to move on to their awesome new game that is GW2.

cosyfiep

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guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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I dont think their new game is 'awesome' when it has more bugs than a termite infestation.
Gw2 is a totally different game than gw1--people will like both, hate both, like one or the other. It is just your opinion as to which one you like the best. For those of us who like gw1 and dislike gw2 we would like to have more in gw1 (reminds me of when a kid gets a new toy the old one--still in good working order, is pushed to the side in favor of the new one, doesnt mean the old one is a bad toy, just the new one is NEW).

Many people dont want to move onto the 'new' game as its not what they want to play, we dont like the 'new' toy and would appreciate our opinions being held just as highly as those who like both or only the new one. You cant please all the people all the time, as and anet has said --it doesnt cost that much to produce new quests in time or money so why not make some new quests for those loyal players who are still playing one of their games?

Adam Layunta

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Hi guys,

i've been guesting here since i started playin guild wars (2010) only to buy stuff at Ventari's Corner. I couldn't help think and find this thread very enlightening. Its nice to hear that people still care for this game. Still as i see by all this discussion no one is going to take any action, maybe because some think it's not worthy or maybe because they are afraid to be seen as ridiculous.

Well, I like this game. As a matter of fact it saddens me that they don't even care FOR THEIR COSTUMERS. So i took the freedom to write a letter (it's my right to inform the Company how they can provide better services - some would call it by feedback) Anyhow i already sent to their email [email protected].

If it was possible i would like to someone to post it on the GuildWars facebook page, i'm not used to it, don't even know how to use. I asked a friend from work to post it with a fake account but he's also dumb as RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.

Arkon Necrocannibal

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Layunta View Post
Hi guys,

i've been guesting here since i started playin guild wars (2010) only to buy stuff at Ventari's Corner. I couldn't help think and find this thread very enlightening. Its nice to hear that people still care for this game. Still as i see by all this discussion no one is going to take any action, maybe because some think it's not worthy or maybe because they are afraid to be seen as ridiculous.

Well, I like this game. As a matter of fact it saddens me that they don't even care FOR THEIR COSTUMERS. So i took the freedom to write a letter (it's my right to inform the Company how they can provide better services - some would call it by feedback) Anyhow i already sent to their email [email protected].

If it was possible i would like to someone to post it on the GuildWars facebook page, i'm not used to it, don't even know how to use. I asked a friend from work to post it with a fake account but he's also dumb as RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.
http://www.facebook.com/GuildWars
5th last comment is from me. No response. I hate them

xgottadollax

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cosyfiep View Post
I dont think their new game is 'awesome' when it has more bugs than a termite infestation.
Gw2 is a totally different game than gw1--people will like both, hate both, like one or the other. It is just your opinion as to which one you like the best. For those of us who like gw1 and dislike gw2 we would like to have more in gw1 (reminds me of when a kid gets a new toy the old one--still in good working order, is pushed to the side in favor of the new one, doesnt mean the old one is a bad toy, just the new one is NEW).

Many people dont want to move onto the 'new' game as its not what they want to play, we dont like the 'new' toy and would appreciate our opinions being held just as highly as those who like both or only the new one. You cant please all the people all the time, as and anet has said --it doesnt cost that much to produce new quests in time or money so why not make some new quests for those loyal players who are still playing one of their games?


Have you even tried Gw2? I assure you bugs are at a minimal at the state the game is now, you want even notice it. Its not Anets fault the few people left playing haven't moved on, they are keeping the server up is being pretty loyal. Anet doesn't owe you anything, content, expansions, quests, etc. It's like saying you haven't moved on from your ex and still expect them to be loyal to you.

cosyfiep

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guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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no I havent tried it since it bluescreened my computer last time.
Fault? the game is still quite playable--actually still a ONE OF A KIND game, why move onto another wow clone???? There are things that only the original guildwars offers (and no other game online now does), why should I leave? Has gw2 added the ritualist? Do they allow my ele to use a bow? Can my guardian have a pet? etc. I dont like gw2 and I have no reason to play it--I LIKE guildwars (if you want me to list the reasons for my dislike of the other game I am sure I can find the thread someplace here---)
And not its not like staying on your ex---its more like still caring for your first born child when your second child is born. Yes the second will need a lot of attention for a while BUT the first still is there.
No they dont 'owe' us anything but it would be nice to continue to support the gameS they have not just the newest one. If they had not planned on supporting both guildwars titles they should have just told us they were going to pull the plug and turned it off, but no they said they were going to keep it running with a minimal crew, etc.

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Originally Posted by xgottadollax View Post
Have you even tried Gw2? I assure you bugs are at a minimal at the state the game is now, you want even notice it. Its not Anets fault the few people left playing haven't moved on, they are keeping the server up is being pretty loyal. Anet doesn't owe you anything, content, expansions, quests, etc. It's like saying you haven't moved on from your ex and still expect them to be loyal to you.
The thing is, even ANet would agree that GW2 is NOTHING like GW. So... why would you give up a perfectly good game for a completely different game?

I would totally be willing to donate to a Kickstarter if one were to come out for GW.

xgottadollax

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@cosyfiep I understand that you like GW, I never even questioned it. I was just pointing out the false statement GW2 is being full of bugs, when in fact it isn't, now at least.




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Originally Posted by Sofonisba View Post
The thing is, even ANet would agree that GW2 is NOTHING like GW. So... why would you give up a perfectly good game for a completely different game?

I would totally be willing to donate to a Kickstarter if one were to come out for GW.
I love GW1, don't get me wrong, but Anet didn't lose anything, GW2 was more successful in under a year, than the entire 7-8 year of GW1

cosyfiep

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guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

as I stated before, the new game also costs more, most people bought the more expensive versions of it than purchased the originals CE version, more people are BUYING gems etc from the cash store (wasnt any such animal for the original), so yeah, it is making more money, if you count 'success' in monetary points. It was also hyped up for the last 5+ years, so lots of people who played gw bought it (many of whom have also STOPPED playing it as well).
I would wait and see as to how successful it is after year 2, not after the first 8 months, and then I would wait and see where it is in 8 years like the original that is still being played (and MANY are coming back to).
guildwars (the original) is successful, it sold plenty of copies and is STILL online! so why not continue to make money off of that success???

Arkon Necrocannibal

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I've posted the letter about the kickstarter project on their webpage from Adam Layunta. I hope for an answer.

expugnare

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Okay.

I tried hard. Really, really, really, really hard to like Guild Wars 2.

I really did. I grinded out fifty levels in the first week of playing and then I just stopped. I felt no reason to keep playing. The gameplay feels stale and repetitive, skills are boring and overdone, Elite Spells don't have that sense of awe and grandeur to them that I was expecting. I even tried very hard *not* to expect GW 1 in my playing experience. At the end of the day all I got was a boring, grindy WoW Clone.

But it's just not anything special. If I wanted what GW 2 offered, I wouldn't have quit WoW or Warhammer Online or any of the other MMOs out there that were good, but not great. They promised a game change. They promised an MMO that would redefine MMOs. I guess its just my fault for believing the hype, but after how great a game GW 1 was, how could I say no? It is one of the few games I regret spending sixty dollars to buy.

On the other hand, GW I was something very different. Undoubtedly it has its problems, but the fact remains that there is no online RPG I have ever played that has captivated me as much as this game. I have played it for years. Maybe not consistently, but I always come back. There is something very special about Guild Wars that its successor simply does not capture.

So yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with some of the above posters in this thread. Hopefully Arena-Net will wake up and give back to a community that has been there for years.

Hopefully.

jayson

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Originally Posted by xgottadollax View Post
Have you even tried Gw2? I assure you bugs are at a minimal at the state the game is now, you want even notice it. Its not Anets fault the few people left playing haven't moved on, they are keeping the server up is being pretty loyal. Anet doesn't owe you anything, content, expansions, quests, etc. It's like saying you haven't moved on from your ex and still expect them to be loyal to you.
I think you've missed the entire point people are making for not moving on to GW2. Other then the name and borrowing some of the lore, GW2 is very different from the game that allowed it to be made to begin with. A few changes wouldn't be so bad but the entire game was changed from the ground up. Skill system, weapons, removed classes, removed secondaries, paid travel, gems, armor repair and heavily altering pvp make this game completely uninteresting for people who like the unique flavor GW offers. I can't play as a warrior with a pet for example. Little things like this that people enjoy that have been stripped away because GW2 has been heavily streamlined and built from the ground up for casual play. My personal opinion is that it's not a bad game, it's just the wrong one for me. I was hoping for a GW 1.5 or 2.0... much like a recent interview stated they would do with GW2. Seems like it wasn't too much to ask for after all.

As for a kickstarter, I don't see it working until Anet acknowledges and agrees to it. And that imo is something that probably won't happen. However, if that happened, I would gladly lend financial support to it.

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I've posted the letter about the kickstarter project on their webpage from Adam Layunta. I hope for an answer.
Really Nice Work.


Let's at least comment there and flood their fanpage. So we get more visibility and hopefully they will give a word sooner or later.

http://www.facebook.com/GuildWars?fref=ts

http://www.facebook.com/GuildWars/po...51579670812392


There is already some people discussing there.

expugnare

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I /signed it!

I also posted it up to reddit.com/r/guildwars

Hopefully some more people can see it and give it visibility!

Aleta

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Need more likes for that letter go like and comment you never know.

And yes I paid a high price for GW2 Collectors only to be bored and disappointed almost immediately. I should have listened to myself and cancelled but I just kept hoping

cosyfiep

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are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

only problem....I will NOT sign up for facebook or twiiiiiter or whatever, (perhaps I can get a friend to like for me----).
Good letter by the way.

Arkon Necrocannibal

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Join Date: May 2011

I've also twitted about this post @ArenaNet @GuildWars.
How can they ignore it ? It would be such a shame if we don't get any answer.

cosyfiep

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are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

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guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

they ignore a lot of things...

so,
now we wait (unless others can get friends to like on facebook....)

Doc Roboto

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Well I've played GW2 a lot. It isn't as good as GW1 in my opinion, but most of my guildies from GW1 moved there so that's where I end up spending most of my gaming time.
Many of us are coming to the conclusion that GW2 is little more than an unfinished, poorly optimized wow clone that keeps trying to grab our credit cards. A hybrid of sorts.. like they started off well, but then someone greedy took over, slapped what they had together, added the WoW factor, tied up loose ends and called it ready. Some of us are looking for something new, or a reason to come back to GW1.
I would LOVE to see GW1 get some developer attention. New skills, new story arc, new graphics etc..

The problem I see with the kickstarter idea is that any development to GW1 is likely to be influenced by Nexon. Unless you like the idea of having to pay for lockpicks with real money, I'd throw a No-Nexon-Involvement clause in that kickstarter.
Maybe (hopefully) I'm wrong about that.

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HOLY SH-T

http://n4g.com/news/1227024/guild-wa...alize-the-game


WE DID IT.

Guys keep commenting there (N4G) and also facebook. Get that news some hot discussion because we are going to get many "hit's" that way.

Arkon Necrocannibal

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HOLY SH-T

http://n4g.com/news/1227024/guild-wa...alize-the-game


WE DID IT.

Guys keep commenting there (N4G) and also facebook. Get that news some hot discussion because we are going to get many "hit's" that way.

This is amazing ! A very good start I would say
Let's keep spreading the word

Aleta

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Absolutely Fantastic! Looks like there a lot of people who would come back

Doc Roboto

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Looks like it's getting attention on the official GW2 Forums.
It was originally posted in a high-traffic area.. but looks like it was moved to an extremely low traffic area.. anyway, here's the link:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...st#post1785619