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ectogasm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2012

07 Apr 2013 at 19:39 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Roboto

The problem I see with the kickstarter idea is that any development to GW1 is likely to be influenced by Nexon. Unless you like the idea of having to pay for lockpicks with real money, I'd throw a No-Nexon-Involvement clause in that kickstarter.
Maybe (hopefully) I'm wrong about that.

I hate microtransactions but I have to be honest here. GW2's gem store is less of a financial burden than GW1's cash shop. Firstly, in terms of content there is nothing more "required" in GW2 store than in GW1 store. They offer more character slots, more bank space, convenience items and costumes. All of that is in the GW1 store also. But GW1 also had game content (bonus missions) in the store that you have to buy if you want to play them. And while you can trade gold for gems in GW2, in GW1 you HAVE to spend cash. The store model in GW2 is actually much friendlier to people who don't want to spend more money. But it also offers more selection and purchasing opportunities to those who do want to spend money, and when they do spend more it's to everyone's benefit. Everyone wins. It's a smart system.

If anything, we should invite Anet to revamp the GW1 store in a similar way, and this should be step 1 in securing a new future for the game.

jayson

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

07 Apr 2013 at 19:48 - 82

I posted on GWOnline and added the link to the N4G story. I didn't say much but hopefully it catches a few peoples attention.

I ride my Pokemon

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

W/A

07 Apr 2013 at 20:01 - 83

I did a thread at Guild Wars 2 Guru forums but since i never made a thread or a post there it has to be approved before going live.

If anyone has a acc there and create one with all the link i'll be more than happy to trash the one that i made

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

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07 Apr 2013 at 20:15 - 84

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Originally Posted by jayson

I posted on GWOnline and added the link to the N4G story. I didn't say much but hopefully it catches a few peoples attention.

I would be interested in seeing what that crew says since there is only about a dozen people who even use that site anymore (and they are rather unfriendly to new people too). (edit update: things look positive over there as well, I even dusted off my old account and posted).

I am glad that the word is getting out, I hope that anet sees what is going on and decides to take some action other than just saying "NO!". I cant believe they can NOT see this now.

(good work to those of you working on the social side!!!)

Adam Layunta

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2013

07 Apr 2013 at 20:46 - 85

woah...so much has happened! Never thought that the news would spread so quick! Glad that my letter helped.

I just wish that ArenaNet could give us a answer really fast, like monday. LOL.

I ride my Pokemon

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2008

W/A

07 Apr 2013 at 21:23 - 86

I was kinda corny so i sent a message at ArenaNet fanpage (why limit to the Guild Wars fanpage) and linked the news to them.

Now they can't say that they didn't saw it.

http://www.facebook.com/ArenaNetInc?fref=ts

Doc Roboto

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

07 Apr 2013 at 23:38 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by ectogasm

I hate microtransactions but I have to be honest here. GW2's gem store is less of a financial burden than GW1's cash shop. Firstly, in terms of content there is nothing more "required" in GW2 store than in GW1 store. They offer more character slots, more bank space, convenience items and costumes. All of that is in the GW1 store also. But GW1 also had game content (bonus missions) in the store that you have to buy if you want to play them. And while you can trade gold for gems in GW2, in GW1 you HAVE to spend cash. The store model in GW2 is actually much friendlier to people who don't want to spend more money. But it also offers more selection and purchasing opportunities to those who do want to spend money, and when they do spend more it's to everyone's benefit. Everyone wins. It's a smart system.

If anything, we should invite Anet to revamp the GW1 store in a similar way, and this should be step 1 in securing a new future for the game.

Yeah, all valid and sensible points. Have to admit I believe you're right.

Schmerdro

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Canada

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08 Apr 2013 at 00:47 - 88

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Originally Posted by I ride my Pokemon

http://n4g.com/news/1227024/guild-wa...alize-the-game

Is anyone else having trouble accessing this website? I keep getting "The service is unavailable."

Anyway, that website is organized by its own community. While it is encouraging to see it get a "heat score" of 90, while other news had between 50 and 200, I wouldn't really say that "we did it" just yet.

I also don't believe that, just because we're proposing this idea to Arena-Net right now, means that they have to respond to us before April 26th, which is the anniversary of the game. They didn't seem shy about telling us, on Twitter, that they "will not develop new content for the game" and, on reddit, that GW1 was "not fun" and "stagnant."

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Originally Posted by I ride my Pokemon

http://www.facebook.com/ArenaNetInc?fref=ts

Not all of us have a facebook account nor are willing to make one anytime soon. It would be nice is, whenever someone wants to share something they posted on facebook, they would add that respective text in their post, along with the facebook link.

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Originally Posted by ectogasm

we should invite Anet to revamp the GW1 store in a similar way [to the online store in GW2]

This will likely never happen. For one, it is far easier to gain a significant amount of gold in GW 1 than it is in GW 2. One very simple example that demonstrates this is the fact that moving from outpost to outpost is free in GW 1 while moving from waypoint to waypoint is not free in GW2.
If the online store in GW 1 was modified to mimic the one in GW 2, then the whole economy of GW 1 would have to be modified as well. Additionally, it would have to account for the large amount of players who already have a very large wealth from playing for several years.

Bottom line is that GW 1 wasn't made for that type of an online store and, since it's obvious that Arena-Net prefer the system in GW 2, I'm sure they would have implemented it by now, if they could.

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

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08 Apr 2013 at 01:37 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by I ride my Pokemon

HOLY SH-T

http://n4g.com/news/1227024/guild-wa...alize-the-game

WE DID IT.

Guys keep commenting there (N4G) and also facebook. Get that news some hot discussion because we are going to get many "hit's" that way.

Can't get the site to load. Oh, well, I'll try later on.

Also $10,000 says the kickstarter thread on GW2's forum is shut down within the hour.

ectogasm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2012

08 Apr 2013 at 05:32 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmerdro

This will likely never happen. For one, it is far easier to gain a significant amount of gold in GW 1 than it is in GW 2. One very simple example that demonstrates this is the fact that moving from outpost to outpost is free in GW 1 while moving from waypoint to waypoint is not free in GW2.

It's likely never to happen because GW1 is probably done for good, but for the sake of argument the availability of gold doesn't really matter since the conversion rate is based on supply and demand.

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If the online store in GW 1 was modified to mimic the one in GW 2, then the whole economy of GW 1 would have to be modified as well. Additionally, it would have to account for the large amount of players who already have a very large wealth from playing for several years.

Why would the whole economy need to be modified? Existing wealth can be addressed by setting the initial conversion rate appropriately, but there's two mitigating factors: one is diminishing returns, a single player will only have a practical use for a limited number of items. The other is that most of the "wealth" in the game is stored as ectos and armbraces, and to convert these back into gold will cause a currency shift - namely the hoards of these items will be devalued since people will rather keep gold. Parts of the economy will temporarily destabilize and that's to be expected, but the market sorts itself out, just as we saw in the wake of the GW2 launch and the eventual return to normalcy. Things will likely have different prices before and after, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that since the market will obviously have changed.

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Bottom line is that GW 1 wasn't made for that type of an online store and, since it's obvious that Arena-Net prefer the system in GW 2, I'm sure they would have implemented it by now, if they could.

"If they could" would be the issue. The underlying problem that GW1 faces is that it's not worth the effort. But if there was one way to make it worth the effort, it would be creating a new revenue stream. The way I see it, nothing significant is going to happen with GW1 unless and until they remake the store. Post-GW2, I'd consider it a prerequisite for any progress to happen. The more resistant the GW1 community is to this, the less likely Anet will even bother trying. Which is a self-defeating thing for us since as I tried to explain, it's actually a good system.

MaxBorken

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London UK

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08 Apr 2013 at 07:21 - 91

Surely it's obvious that unless you're on the board if directors at Arenanet, nothing you do can change what they're doing?
They're a large company.

What planet are you guys living on ?

Max

Razer.blue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

[King]

08 Apr 2013 at 15:36 - 92

You have to start somewhere. Good letter, spread the word.

Arkon Necrocannibal

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2011

08 Apr 2013 at 17:21 - 93

Hi guys,
I just want to say that the letter has now around 50 likes (+35 in 24hours), which is pretty huge for a simple post on their page. There are also many many comments and supporting message.
Do you think a pettition can be good ? (http://www.avaaz.org/en/)

ruk1a

Wilds Pathfinder

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10 Apr 2013 at 03:47 - 94

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

its not that its a bad idea, its that anet has almost completely decided that gw1 never happened. It would be incredibly hard to convince them (and ncsoft) of anything about a game they are trying desperately to forget exists.

I would really like to see more life in this game since it is very much a one of a kind (unlike its supposed sequel), and no matter what they do with gw2 I will not buy it.

Completely agree, although I bought GW2 and was met with incredible disappointment I would rather donate to a kickstart program that would add expansions and more area's, updates, etc. to GW1 instead of making a whole new game.

I still love my characters and heroes. I just want more stuff to do, and a ton of people would come rushing with new content. I don't need graphics, I need gameplay.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

10 Apr 2013 at 03:58 - 95

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Originally Posted by ruk1a

I don't need graphics, I need gameplay.

This, although I would personally prefer to see an entirely new game with the same gameplay, and taking some lessons of where GW went wrong.

To be sure, GW is amazing, but it has some built up issues that I don't think could be fixed without massive reversion or a clean slate.

ruk1a

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10 Apr 2013 at 04:02 - 96

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

This, although I would personally prefer to see an entirely new game with the same gameplay, and taking some lessons of where GW went wrong.

To be sure, GW is amazing, but it has some built up issues that I don't think could be fixed without massive reversion or a clean slate.

It's not that I wouldn't play a GW1.5, but adding content to current GW1 is a lot more feasible.

At that point it would be best to just kickstart our own new game with a different name but very much similar to GW however that takes developers and such.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

10 Apr 2013 at 05:35 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruk1a

It's not that I wouldn't play a GW1.5, but adding content to current GW1 is a lot more feasible.

At that point it would be best to just kickstart our own new game with a different name but very much similar to GW however that takes developers and such.

Well, pretty much. I believe that if someone did have the means - funding, in other words - to assemble a competent dev studio and make a brand new Guild Wars clone, it would end up being better, from a fresh start. Kickstarter might work for this, if you had a large, comprehensive, and well-written GDD to show backers you've thought it through and could actually make something of it.

All of the power creep in GW, undone. Heroes could be avoided. A second shot at avoiding spreading the player base too much. Classes, having seen what worked and what didn't in GW, could be better, or mob design could reflect them better.

Me, I just want a game with Guild Wars' mechanics where I can monk. Can't do that in Guild Wars, there are no parties doing regular content anymore. Can't do that in Guild Wars 2, even if the mechanics were the same, they ditched the monk archetype! :P

But, like you say, an existing addition to Guild Wars is easier to accomplish.

Razer.blue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

[King]

10 Apr 2013 at 18:25 - 98

Any responds of A-net yet?

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

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London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

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10 Apr 2013 at 19:21 - 99

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer.blue

Any responds of A-net yet?

Of course not.
They're not interested in what random small groups want.

Max

Razer.blue

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

[King]

10 Apr 2013 at 19:49 - 100

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Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Of course not.
They're not interested in what random small groups want.

Max

Since I didn't see any updates any more I figured they might have responded with bad news. And you, you shouldn't be such a sourpuss. Positive/helpfull reactions or stay out.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

10 Apr 2013 at 20:15 - 101

He does make a valid point, right now the GW community is minuscule.

Obviously there's a demand for games like Guild Wars - Guild Wars sold five million copies or more, that's pretty good - but as far as the existing GW community making suggestions or demands? Nah. What we say doesn't mean a lot. We aren't a game developer, we're just talking at one.

MaxBorken

Furnace Stoker

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London UK

Teh Academy [PhD]. Officer. Gentleman

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10 Apr 2013 at 20:21 - 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer.blue

Since I didn't see any updates any more I figured they might have responded with bad news. And you, you shouldn't be such a sourpuss. Positive/helpfull reactions or stay out.

Hey, just keeping it real

Anet has a business model to follow, and giving in to the wishes of a few folks who would love them to divert from the model isn't in the plan.
I know this cus I'm a businessman too, and charity isn't on any business model. Apart from a charity's business model. And they're not a charity.

Max

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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Mo/

10 Apr 2013 at 20:23 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by ectogasm

I hate microtransactions but I have to be honest here. GW2's gem store is less of a financial burden than GW1's cash shop. Firstly, in terms of content there is nothing more "required" in GW2 store than in GW1 store. They offer more character slots, more bank space, convenience items and costumes. All of that is in the GW1 store also. But GW1 also had game content (bonus missions) in the store that you have to buy if you want to play them. And while you can trade gold for gems in GW2, in GW1 you HAVE to spend cash. The store model in GW2 is actually much friendlier to people who don't want to spend more money. But it also offers more selection and purchasing opportunities to those who do want to spend money, and when they do spend more it's to everyone's benefit. Everyone wins. It's a smart system.

If anything, we should invite Anet to revamp the GW1 store in a similar way, and this should be step 1 in securing a new future for the game.

This game already has microtrans in the form of the online store . I just hope the the money from it stays in this and doesn't go to fund GW2.

I would say there is still some lore yet to be discovered.Wizards Tower?

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

10 Apr 2013 at 22:18 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Hey, just keeping it real

Anet has a business model to follow, and giving in to the wishes of a few folks who would love them to divert from the model isn't in the plan.
I know this cus I'm a businessman too, and charity isn't on any business model. Apart from a charity's business model. And they're not a charity.

Max

yeah, and today a LOT of businesses are very SHORT sighted. Guildwars could still make a decent amount of money for them if they put a little effort into it, but all they see is the short side--we have to put effort in, not the--we will get more money from that effort.
Plenty of businesses run on this model (my husband can tell you stories, gee what dont we plan for next year, huh? we only care about tomorrow).

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Holland

[GaMe]

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11 Apr 2013 at 08:31 - 105

that negative talk "GW has a small community now" is it based on what you see? cuz i saw enough people coming back to GW from wherever they were, and alot of newbies joined our guild

if Anet doesnt give us a number of active members, we cant say the game is dead/dying/inactive

anyway, that wont change anyway, but the fact that GW still is active, stays, and also if they want to keep the customers who dont play GW2 for any reason, they better update GW once in a while (and not by april fools events...... real content is what i'm talking about)

also, alot of newbies i've seen, either left GW2, or dont even bother buying it, so arent in GW JUST for HoM rewards in GW2

anyway, i dunno if they would do kickstarter, as GW still does something to their wallets and to members who play it

i think they have seen new GW2 players who became inactive in no time, so i think they know..... but if they really abandon GW content-wise, they surely will lose
maybe they come back to eat those words, they have done it before, for the sake of their GW community, which also keeps them alive

the twitter comment was a bad move, as people may now leave, cuz they dont get anything anymore, instead of waiting for new stuff... IF we would get more

so its either anet waking up, or anet going down slowly (yes, someone who (almost)always was positive thinking said this)
cuz.... GW2 isnt the only thing keeping them alive

Arkon Necrocannibal

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2011

11 Apr 2013 at 18:11 - 106

Hello guys,

A simple message to tell you that the letter on the facebook page is a HUGE success !
http://www.facebook.com/GuildWars/po...t=feed_comment

81 likes, so many good comments and people who want to donate...
Anyone has an idea about the next step ? Any other action to put the preasure on Anet ?

bsoltan

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2005

UK

[SoF]

11 Apr 2013 at 23:35 - 107

The letter hasn't been a huge success, the purpose of the letter was to get a reply from Arena Net which it has failed to do.

Also 161,000 people Like the GW Facebook page yet only 81 of those have Liked that post. That's quite a low response rate.

If you want a reply/response I imagine the best thing to do would be to keep bugging their social networks or get a proper list/petition of names.

However as has been mentioned you are fighting a losing battle. Arena Net aren't interested in putting time into updating an old game when the same time could be put into GW2 development to reap greater rewards.

I don't believe the kind of update you'd be satisfied with would be worth the development time. Whether it is funded by fans or not.

xgottadollax

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

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12 Apr 2013 at 08:02 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsoltan

The letter hasn't been a huge success, the purpose of the letter was to get a reply from Arena Net which it has failed to do.

Also 161,000 people Like the GW Facebook page yet only 81 of those have Liked that post. That's quite a low response rate.

If you want a reply/response I imagine the best thing to do would be to keep bugging their social networks or get a proper list/petition of names.

However as has been mentioned you are fighting a losing battle. Arena Net aren't interested in putting time into updating an old game when the same time could be put into GW2 development to reap greater rewards.

I don't believe the kind of update you'd be satisfied with would be worth the development time. Whether it is funded by fans or not.

^this soo true, Anet isn't being shortsighted, they know there is SOME money that still can be made from GW1, but again, why waste that resource, when you can put it into GW2 and benefit a lot more. It's common sense.

Arkon Necrocannibal

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2011

22 Apr 2013 at 01:41 - 109

We should continue to push ArenaNet, broadcast the letter everywhere...
Post the letter on 4chan, reddit and whereever you want but please guys, do something, we can not stay just hoping on a forum. We have to stand up and shout.

shinta_himura

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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23 Apr 2013 at 13:30 - 110

Sorry, but it's over. GW1 may stay online for a while, maybe even for another 8 years, but other than that the show is over.

Honestly you could see this coming ever since EOTN was announced... not only could you see it coming, Anet themselves stated explicitly that it was pretty much over.

In one of the gaming magazines I had that featured an article and interview on EOTN, they stated "GW1 is just a beta for GW2, and EOTN is just a bridge for players into GW2." Most people should know by now that a fourth real campaign for GW1 was scrapped for the bridge-game Eye of the North, but I think some may not know (or have chosen to forget) that Anet has always had this negligent and demeaning attitude towards the first game once EOTN went public.

I don't know of anything they could have said that would have been more spiteful than "Yeah, this is just the beta for our precious GW2!"

Even if Anet had trillions of dollars, they would not spend any of it on GW1, because that would mean moving hands off of GW2, precious precious GW2... They will NEED trillions of dollars to make that game as wonderful as the first one was.

I remember how Anet used to insist GW1 was a new kind of game, a new genre, and everyone would argue that it's not an MMO (some people still do). Now all that Arenanet wants is to make the "best and most revolutionary MMORPG ever"

So yeah, I think they would sooner make a kickstarter to help improve GW2 once they realize their hype-dreams are over. I personally got sick of the game not even half way through. It really is just another MMORPG... so good job on that, I guess.

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

25 Apr 2013 at 02:31 - 111

Essentially the team that made this game doesn't exist anymore. Why would anyone who genuinely likes Guild Wars 1 want any of the current design team touching this game?

If you do want them back really take a moment to consider what it is they would be bringing to the table here. The current way things are run in GW2 is to split up monthly installments so they can say they are releasing new content. Their most recent baby: Flame and Frost, is going on month 4. Of what they do release even an average skill level gamer could complete a months worth of content easily in a matter of hours. Add to this that they have habitually added cash shop items themed to the release "limited time only!!!" and it's easy to see what you're dealing with now. This is also presumably with a full team that has no current plans to release an expansion instead of the skeleton crew excuse they used for years on this game. Whatever benefit they felt they could exploit this game for as a playable GW2 commercial ended once the sequel in-name-only hit store shelves. Getting them back here now would just wreck whatever is left of actual pre-EotN Guild Wars.

Mintha Syl

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2010

25 Apr 2013 at 09:12 - 112

You know, I agree with Reformed.
And that's why I always fear they could actually do those class overhauls. If they do something now, it will just be in a gw2 fashion and will potentially ruin the game.

But the main reason why I never commented on this thing is what shinta_himura said. Except I didn't know of the "beta" thing which makes me hate them so much...so a completely original and unmatched game was just a beta for yet-another-wow-clone? Great minds, indeed.
What I was saying is that we should know very well that money is not their problem. Even if people gives them million dollars, they would never make anything for this game. Cause they couldn't care less. They didn't abandon it for lack of resources, but rather for lack of interest. And giving them money or showing we care won't make them suddenly care. Hell, they said in all ways, without half words, that they think this game sucks and they don't intend working on it anymore.
Anyway I didn't wanna put negativity here, but sometimes hope is just vain.

MaxBorken

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London UK

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25 Apr 2013 at 09:48 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

They didn't abandon it for lack of resources, but rather for lack of interest. And giving them money or showing we care won't make them suddenly care. Hell, they said in all ways, without half words, that they think this game sucks and they don't intend working on it anymore.
Anyway I didn't wanna put negativity here, but sometimes hope is just vain.

That's not it. It's not because they lost interest. It's because it doesn't fit their business model. They're a business. Plain and simple. You have to look past the emotion, lore and passion, and see it for what it really is. Anet is a business, and if something's not going to be profitable, they won't do it.

It really is that simple. Money. Nothing more, nothing less.

They have other ventures to worry about. I'd so the same. I renovate houses, but I do it for a living. I can't worry about how a house feels, or what the neighbours are like. I buy one, renovate it and sell it. It's just business.

Max

Reformed

Jungle Guide

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25 Apr 2013 at 13:29 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

If they do something now, it will just be in a gw2 fashion...

I think what they did to the ele is basically along these lines.

For those who don't know or don't play there was a big fiasco when they introduced a vertical gear tier post launch. Damage control was out immediately with talking points on how the manifesto wasn't technically violated. What better way to hold playerbase interest, in theory, than to make all your character accessories statistically obsolete releasing pieces a few at a time over the span of several months. As a company they have changed tremendously but that's probably to be expected when 2 of the 3 founding members left. I could see them attempting a similar strategy now even here since apparently stated design goals are open to interpretation.

lemming

The Hotshot

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Honolulu

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25 Apr 2013 at 21:07 - 115

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013...ory-went-away/

Ayuhmii Shanbwa

Desert Nomad

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Holland

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25 Apr 2013 at 21:32 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemming

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013...ory-went-away/

glad anet SAID they wont give more new content (until they change their minds, which COULD happen)

besides, GW and GW2 still are linked (or is this new to some here?... HoM?.... money from people who like to play the earlier version for either HoM or just to play 2 non-fees games?)

and i seen some people (yea, not just 1) who tried GW cuz of GW2, and preferred to stay in GW, seen a few times in 1 guild, not long ago either

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

25 Apr 2013 at 23:52 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

You know, I agree with Reformed.
And that's why I always fear they could actually do those class overhauls.

I greatly enjoyed the mesmer and dervish updates. The elementalist update brought some weak things that didn't transfer over so well and an odd Ash Blast nerf, but it helped heroes and got me out just spamming Infuse Health.

I don't know what you think of the elementalist update. Your past posts don't give much detail about particular skills or the update.

jayson

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

26 Apr 2013 at 03:59 - 118

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxBorken

That's not it. It's not because they lost interest. It's because it doesn't fit their business model. They're a business. Plain and simple. You have to look past the emotion, lore and passion, and see it for what it really is. Anet is a business, and if something's not going to be profitable, they won't do it.

It really is that simple. Money. Nothing more, nothing less.

They have other ventures to worry about. I'd so the same. I renovate houses, but I do it for a living. I can't worry about how a house feels, or what the neighbours are like. I buy one, renovate it and sell it. It's just business.

Max

In your example, you take something that's old, give it an upgrade and sell it for money correct? Not unlike giving GW a facelift and/or expanding the content thereby making money from it. So you give a bad example as a con to creating new content for GW.

As you said, this is about money, not feelings. People may feel towards the game but they act with their wallets. Anet has already stated that content for GW is cheap and quick to make. I guess that's comparatively speaking in regards to GW2 so the only question here, would be whether or not there's enough of a playerbase for a profit to be made from new content.

As for the article linked about developers going silent, it seems to make sense considering they deleted a post of mine on FB about the kickstarter on their GW page.

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26 Apr 2013 at 05:40 - 119

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Originally Posted by jayson

In your example, you take something that's old, give it an upgrade and sell it for money correct? Not unlike giving GW a facelift and/or expanding the content thereby making money from it. So you give a bad example as a con to creating new content for GW.

As you said, this is about money, not feelings. People may feel towards the game but they act with their wallets. Anet has already stated that content for GW is cheap and quick to make. I guess that's comparatively speaking in regards to GW2 so the only question here, would be whether or not there's enough of a playerbase for a profit to be made from new content.

As for the article linked about developers going silent, it seems to make sense considering they deleted a post of mine on FB about the kickstarter on their GW page.

Why do people give missing the point? Am I speaking in code or something?
Why would Anet use six developers to make $100,000, when they can use the same six developers to make over 1 $million. Yes they CAN make money out of GW1,but why would they when they can make far more out of GW2.

IT'S BUSINESS LOGIC.

Max

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26 Apr 2013 at 06:06 - 120

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Originally Posted by MaxBorken

Why do people give missing the point? Am I speaking in code or something?
Why would Anet use six developers to make $100,000, when they can use the same six developers to make over 1 $million. Yes they CAN make money out of GW1,but why would they when they can make far more out of GW2.

IT'S BUSINESS LOGIC.

Max

You MUST be speaking in code because I don't understand what "give missing the point" is. Do you have a crystal ball that tells you exactly how much an expansion would make? Where'd you get $100,000? Pulling numbers out of this air isn't exactly solid evidence. Unless renovating houses gives you some deeper understanding into the business and cost of developing content for video games?

The answer closer to the truth would be what I previously said. It depends on how many players are willing to pay for new content. All Anet has to do is ask the players on their forums and fansites. Ask on the login screen to see if people are still there to play. People are still in this game after 8 years with no new content. Imagine how many would be here if a new campaign was in the works.

Give them something to come back to and see what happens.