Gale thoughts

Gale should not be nerfed, because it's not Gale's fault. if you're nerfing Gale, you're only hurting other classes using Gale. Axe warriors are still free to use whatever high-energy skills out there to hurt or annoy casters. Then people will yell "nerf those" again, not realizing where the problem really is.

You don't see many sword/hammer warriors using Gale because exhaustion will reduce their damage output a lot by preventing them from using their favorite spammable skills (irresistable blow, seeking blade etc.). But axe warriors are in the unique position because their high damage skills don't use energy, so exhaustion means nothing to them. So solution should be making some axe skills costing energy instead of adrenaline, then they will have to think twice before using skills that cause exhaustion and limit their damage output.

While making warrior skills cost energy does address some of the issue, I doubt that'll happen - and it would weaken warriors horribly.

Warriors can work quite effectively on little/no energy, so they are one of the few that can afford to run Gale. One major issue with Gale is that it ignores half the exhaustion penalty - since it is a 5 cost skill the loss of 10 max energy doesn't matter if you can't go negative in terms of maximum energy. Simply changing that would halve the rate with which warriors could use this, once they bottom their energy out, while leaving it untouched for others.

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So as you all sumerized - the cause of the "bad effect" is 2+ warrior gale combo. I doubt anyone minds other than warrior classes to use gale, I mean eles, mesmers, even monks can use it, but they will "feel" exhaustion effect.

If exhaustion does not go negative, then when going to 0 mana, it will begin restoring 1 per sec, the spell recharge is 5, so at the 7-8 sec (with 2 mana regen) you can cast again. Of course this is the little problem. The big one is like the buddy stated - item equip/uneqip abuse for removing 5 pts of exhaustion - enough to cast it again.

Short - gale on axe 2+ wars is extreamly effective. Making exhaustion work on negative number will hinder this but will hinder even more normal casters which depend only on mana. The solution must be somethink that will stop the warriors from abusing it, but will not "nerf" the spell or the casters.

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One skill that prevents knockdown:
Balanced Stance

Two skills that prevent you from being the target of spells:
Spellbreaker and obsidian flesh.

So instead of 100% it's 99%. Wow.

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Dolyak Signet also prevents knockdown. But it is worth noting that the only 2 ways of preventing knockdown are both in the Warrior line.

Here's my radical idea to balance Gale on warriors (which may not be technically feasible):

Modify the effects of the Exhaustion condition so that while exhausted adrenaline gain is reduced/nullified.

Or... how about this fix for Gale?

Just have the knockdown time relative to the amount of Air Magic invested.

That could allow Air Ele's more of a benefit from the skill, but warriors less so. Not that Gale War's are badly overpowered. But, in the event a change is made, I like the idea of tieing the skill more closely to its attribute line.

you can run no poor strenght and get 12 air, so you'd still get a decent gale

best counter i've seen is just ignore it and let your teammates say you're galed

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Seriously guys, gale is just a skill, that people were able to use to it's fullest advantage. It allows warriors to actually gain an upper hand on monks. But i could see the arguement for it's overuse, but again, there's always more then one monk on a team, thus unless they can synch gales on the three or two monks, countering isn't that hard. Also, with axes, i agree, it does seem unfair how it has more adren spike attacks compared to sword and hammer. For any ideas to lessen the use of gale would be like everytime you cast gale, you get knocked down or something to that affect,but..i guess you could just get another warrior to attack the target.

The problem isint that Gale is an over-powered skill initself, but its just that it making other types of warrs useless. With 16 Axe, Evis, Frenzy, Sprint and Gale you have a char with an interrupt, decent spike , highest dps, (almost) cannot be kited and a knockdown. Some of these elements overlap but they are still true. And thus we are stuck again with a "best" build-template.