Final Straw On Secondary

This is the final straw on changing your secondary profession. It's completely ridiculous with the addition of these new battle islands. I have to now map 4 times if I want to change my secondary, and it's a big waste of my time. I mean I am a dedicated player that earned all the secondary classes and every skill from the mesmer, monk, and necromancer professions, but I can only change them in 3 places in the entire game? I say that they give us the ability to change our secondary profession via the Hero [H] screen. I don't see any problem in that, it would allow me to advertise: Me/Mo or Me/N with every skill LFG! I personally think this change would be second only to the taking away of Attribute Refund points because everyone was stuck with using one build for a long time.

This is what happens when I am in PvP. I get in a team, then for some reason I need to swap from Me/Mo to Me/N or vice versa, so I have to do this: PvP Team Arenas > Lion's Arch > Seekers Pass > Great Temple of Balthazar > PvP Teams Arenas of the same dist and hope they haven't found someone else, decided to enter or disbanded.

The current system of changing secondary professions is a pain, and there's no point in it. You can already change secondary, I don't see why they make you move around so many times just to swap it.

So... the suggestion is:

Let us change our secondary profession on the Hero [H] screen or give the skill trainers the ability to swap your secondary as long as you've earned it. If there isn't a skill trainer in the town, make a new NPC. This job could also be done by Priest of Balthazar in PVP areas. As long as there is a person in EVERY town or at least every town and outpost after ascension and ones that you go back to later.

/signed

EDIT: Also allow PVP characters to do this. It's already a pain to recreate the entire character just to change secondary. I know when I play Mo I am almost always boon/prot. But the problem is that I like to run a Mo/N and a Mo/E variation, but if one doesn't appeal to me at the time, I have to completely reroll. I think you should have to reroll if you want to change your primary, because that involves weapons, clothes, runes, etc, but not for a secondary change.

I say we make it so that PVP AND PVE characters can change their secondary professions from the [H]ero screen.

Yup, very good idea, it would save a lot of trouble and u can switch anyway ones u have done the profesion quests.It would be great if u can do it in the hero screen instead of having to travel to seekers all the time

/signed

/signed

Also, I wish they would make it so if you unlock skills with one pve char, you can get those skills when you switch secondaries with another pve char.

/signed

yes that would be very helpful indeed

I'm glad to see some support. I know my friend Deviance has unlocked EVERY skill with his Monk. Crazy, but true.

/sign
even though i dont do any of that...
i have a pvp slot, and i have to re-roll everything

Personally, I think the map is enough.. I come from a long line of MMO's (L2, RYL, FF Online) That required you to RUN from town to town.. I'm talking 10-15 minute transitions. I think map changing is quick enough.

Although the secondary profession swapper in every town is a good idea.

Just fix the retarded map travel they have from there now. What genius decided to make it so you can only travel to LA from there, or from your guild hall? Form a Tombs/Hero's Ascent group in your hall, but 2 members have to leave because only 6 are allowed in LA. Absolutely retarded. Hopefully someone loses their job over that lunacy.

/signed....on one condition:

You can only change secondaries from the [H]ero dialog, if you have finished the game.

/unsign

this would devalue the "customization". Every one would advertise them self as " I am a Wa/ and anything you want me to be"

I am from the old school, with the thinking of the game should not be too easy (I am already frown upon that free attribute point distrubtion... where are the refund points?) In any case, it would add on more confusion in finding team than it already is.

Well they can do it now, with some heavy mapping. It (mapping around) might discourage people from doing so (W/* lf team), but I've mapped around changing my secondary based on what the team needs.. *shrug*

IMO, it would make "customization" much more easier, as you could change your skillset with relative ease to what is needed.

/signed

/signed

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No problem spending an extra 10-15 min as long as it's fun or challenging, but having to click and teleport through extra areas is neither in my book.

[sarcasm] Yes, because we all know just hard all four of those clicks can be... good god, give us a chance! [/sarcasm]

/signed

Put one in the Guild Hall at the very least.

maybe for PvP builds. but not for PvE. its messes up the story line too much. And just cause you don't like mapping around and doing a short quest for each doesn't mean your not lazy... cause its still rather simple to do this. and you will still be able to go secondaries with Rituralists and assassins at Chapter 2 release...

/signed

Some people might say to be glad its there in the first place, but this is getting out of hand. ITs there and we should ahve the ebst situation possible

also /signed for pvp characters to have the ability to switch secondaries, im sick of signing off constantly.

i think you may have missed the point. the OP has already completed the necessary quests and obtained the necessary skills. he already can switch secondaries at will. the problem is that, from the pvp maps, it takes 4 map travels to have to do this.

this definitely is very annoying from a pvp standpoint. being able to change your build to suit the needs of your team is a lot more important for pvp. it is also annoying for pvp-only characters to have to be re-rolled every single time a build needs changing. provided that one can already do it anyway, there should be an easier way to change secondaries to allow for faster flexibility.

with that said:

/signed

I think being able to change secondaries from the [H]ero screen takes something away from the role-playing portion of the game. Additionally, if your TEAM can't wait 2 min for you to change secondaries to complement the TEAM build... you may have been better off without them.

I honestly don't care if Anet wants to try to make this happen ok.

If Anet wants to do this: /signed

If this is too much of a headache for Anet: /unsigned

It takes very little time to map and change to the correct profession. It sort of keeps the feel of the RPG effect, where you have to travel to a certain town to become a different profession.

If you want to be in the military, you won't go to Hollywood, but rather go look at a place like Westpoint.

It's already convenient that you can change secondary professions, it's not necessary to be able to change it to whatever you want, in every town, at a whim.

That sounds similar to the pvp character not having acess to the priests of balthazar or rune trader arguments to me. Since the world is divided, there should be somwhere in the new areas where there is the option to change secondaries. 4 map changes does not take all that long to do, but it does seem rather un-neccacary to be forced to do so.

/signed

Actually, if you think about it, this is a good idea, it's how they plan to keep Ch1 only characters from venturing to ch2, etc. Battle Islands is going to be a transportation hub. Though I do agree with adding the profession changers (in some form) to the temple of balthazar.

/signed

I agree with this PVE needs a better way than what we have now.


Note* I did make a thread about this not long ago but it just turned into a flame fest.

Well, awesome sauce, that's a bit too free. It'd be easier, of course, but it'd take away a bit of the aura of a PvE character.

I say plonk a class changer in major cities (Lions Arch, and so on as well) as well as the Temple of Balthazar, where it is a hassle to run back and forth.

For what it's worth, by the way, the removal of attribute points were great. People can experiment with builds without being penalized and have to rebuild XP to change back to their old builds.

So you're literally asking to leave the game with the current update extremely inconvenient? There's no skill involved in mapping, and if you've earned the skills of multiple classes, I don't see why you should be forced to be only 2 even though you have spent hard earned money and time getting skill points and 1k for every skill... I really don't see how your stance holds any water.

/signed but one one condition

For PvE make the option show up in the hero screen after you have the ability to do so from the npc as you would normally. I would be against them being in southern shiver peaks due to being able to skip Crystal.

For PvP only character, I think it should be at will.

wow...no offense intended...but you have to be the first person I've ever seen like the refund point system

/unsigned

just fix the damn only mapping to LA thing from battle isle

Ok, I don't think you realize this:

You can already do it!

It's not introducing anything new into the game, it's only making it more convenient.

I really don't understand why people think this would ruin the game at all.

Here's how it went today in PvP arenas:

"Hey guys I'm a Me/Mo, but I can swap to Me/N in the desert if you want."
"Sure, do that could you for Life Transfer, ok?"
"Sure, but now with the addition of the islands I have to map 4 times, but I'll be back, ok?"
"Nah, we'll get someone else. By the time you get back here, set your skills, armor, attributes, and weapons we'd have gotten some faction by then."
"Shit. Why am I punished, when I've worked so hard to get all mesmer, monk and necromancer skills on this character? Why Anet, WHY?"

Here's how it SHOULD HAVE went today in PvP arenas:

"Hey guys I'm a Me/Mo, but I can swap to Me/N."
"Sure, do that could you for Life Transfer, ok?"
"Sure, one second please."
"You almost done setting your skills, armor, attributes, and weapons?"
"Yeah, I just finished, and I'm ready to go, lets get some FACTION!"

As you can see, option B is much more preferable to option A.

That was VERY odd. I was the last person to post, but it didn't put my post at the bottom, so I posted it again.

It would only devalue rping as much as atribute refunds already do.

Besides, everyone knows that all warriors are /Mo, all monks are /W or /N, etc. The majority of people don't frenquently change thier secondary, and the rest very rarely do so after forming a group. It would only devalue rping on a personal level imho.

At the very least, there needs to be a npc for this on the battle islands. The current amount of mapping needed is exceisve.

Very good point..

True; It would ruin the rpg in PvE.
And I also agree with actionjack's statement. Right on man.

Only in PvP please
/never ever in all my postings signed.

hmmm, so finish the game and get all 2ndries is easier than just mindlessly map around?... u had to tolerate some imperfections be4 they were fixed and u want all players suffer it too? and why u're talking about some 'old schools'? fyi alot of ppl here are playing since betas and majority of them consider free att points distribution an improvement, so speak for urself only pls

/signed - great idea

I'd like to post this again because when I originally posted it in response to chris nin00, but it didn't add it to the bottom of the list. So here goes, I hope it isn't bugged.

Ok, I don't think you realize this:

You can already do it!

It's not introducing anything new into the game, it's only making it more convenient.

I really don't understand why people think this would ruin the game at all.

Here's how it went today in PvP arenas:

"Hey guys I'm a Me/Mo, but I can swap to Me/N in the desert if you want."
"Sure, do that could you for Life Transfer, ok?"
"Sure, but now with the addition of the islands I have to map 4 times, but I'll be back, ok?"
"Nah, we'll get someone else. By the time you get back here, set your skills, armor, attributes, and weapons we'd have gotten some faction by then."
"Shit. Why am I punished, when I've worked so hard to get all mesmer, monk and necromancer skills on this character? Why Anet, WHY?"

Here's how it SHOULD HAVE went today in PvP arenas:

"Hey guys I'm a Me/Mo, but I can swap to Me/N."
"Sure, do that could you for Life Transfer, ok?"
"Sure, one second please."
"You almost done setting your skills, armor, attributes, and weapons?"
"Yeah, I just finished, and I'm ready to go, lets get some FACTION!"

As you can see, option B is much more preferable to option A.

How does this change 'ruin' the ROLEPLAYING part of the game?

You are roleplaying the 4 map changes and clicking off at the profession change NPC to make your secondary to whatever?

You can already do stuff that has been suggested. It just is very inconvenient at the time.

Exactly Kaguya, which is why I fail to see how it is even possible for anyone to type '/unsigned' in the first place. This is already in the game, I'm suggesting they make it easier, it's not like I'm suggesting that you should be able to type '/jesus emote' or anything.

surprise actually people agree with the unsign...

Not saying anything wrong with this suggestion, and I am sure it would make lots people's life lot easier... however, try imagin what the arena team finding would be like.

"I am a Tanker, but can also be a nuker or healer!"
"Me/MO or Me/N LFG"
"So which one are you?"
"Anything you want me to be, big boy"

And so on. Added it 100x, it certainly would add some confusion, might amost make team finding and change your skill time lot longer than actual playing time.

Now, of couse that is all in theory. I have not much better arguement, and the only main reason why I /unsign is it just sorta feel "wrong" (games should be challenging and not easy, and be restricted to rules. therefore, sometime extra work is to be consider fun)

However, I would say just change the mapping (Battle isle is of couse still as a temp area). Possibly adding such 2ndary changing NPC in guild hall or Arena zone (with a small fee?) but won't count on it be done any time too soon.

(and I want a /jesus emot too, as well as /marry and /mohammad)