Been playing the ranger since day one, and that’s for two weeks now, my experience in looking for group to farm or to do missions has always been difficult.
Although, I have been grouping with a pack of rangers, we actually did very well among ourselves, but in the general impression of the ranger, are very undesirable and useless.
To pull monsters, warriors using a bow does the same job, in contrast, the ranger can not tank.
Ranger’s unpopularity
romeo_longsword
Valerius
Trapping groups have always worked well for me...
Sol_Vie
Rangers are jacks of all trades. I've healed, ran, tanked, spiked, done DoT, inflicted conditions, interrupts...
Rangers are a great class, but it can be hard to get a good hold on them. What are some of the specific problems you're having with your ranger, other than not being able to get into a group?
Rangers are a great class, but it can be hard to get a good hold on them. What are some of the specific problems you're having with your ranger, other than not being able to get into a group?
Ashleigh McMahon
I agree to a slight degree. Although, can warriors ( even with gladiators energy amor) lay numerous deadly traps? Can warriors afford to put points into ranger attributes? Can warriors get elemental resistant armor? Can warriors create high energy cost rituals without taking almost all of there energy? I think i've stated enough, although some people may disagree.
Ash.
Ash.
xxSilhouette
There are just more of them in the game now, there are pleantly of rangers and warriors - so i think thats why its harder to find a group for one of those classes.
I personally love them though, like Sol said, they have many different builds - and are just fun.
I personally love them though, like Sol said, they have many different builds - and are just fun.
Sol_Vie
Hehe playing healer on a ranger is hard- but fun. 
(Healing Spring ftw.)
(Healing Spring ftw.)
romeo_longsword
I am gald to hear there are ranger supporter, but I think on the common level, people want to see either somebody would can hold his own ground and take hits, or somebody who can heal, somebody who can do direct damage, and many more that people who do not have a understanding of the ranger would expect.
I usually cause posion and bleeding and slowing the mods, but thing is, these are combat elements that people would not appericate that much as it does not have a contrasting direct display, on the other hand, the warrior has.
I also aim to be good at interupe spell casters and other offesive moves such as the gaint stomp, but again, people would appericate more if they see you killing the thing instead of perventing it doing somthing.
Trap wise, many actually dislike it, although it can be powerful, but due to the time it require to set up, and not every group would have the same pattern in farming to allow you applying traps, they become very situational, and which become lesser in value.
I usually cause posion and bleeding and slowing the mods, but thing is, these are combat elements that people would not appericate that much as it does not have a contrasting direct display, on the other hand, the warrior has.
I also aim to be good at interupe spell casters and other offesive moves such as the gaint stomp, but again, people would appericate more if they see you killing the thing instead of perventing it doing somthing.
Trap wise, many actually dislike it, although it can be powerful, but due to the time it require to set up, and not every group would have the same pattern in farming to allow you applying traps, they become very situational, and which become lesser in value.
Numa Pompilius
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Been playing the ranger since day one, and that’s for two weeks now
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romeo_longsword
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
Well, thing is, rangers start out rather weakish, and after two weeks you're likely still early in the game. Much like mesmers they don't really shine until they've goot a good number of skills & preferably a couple of elites under their belt. Later in the game both mesmers & rangers do well.
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Just speaking to a guild members now, she said, ppl only look for ss mm and nukers, nobody take ranger for farming. A dispointing fact to me.
Thock
Actually in the new UW people are forming "barrage groups." Get a decent group and you can get through the whole thing in an hour and a half.
Then there is the good ole UW Trapping. Not as good as it used to be, now that ecto drop rate seems to be once an eon.
EDIT: Just noticed you are on euro servers so the barrage ranger groups might not have become popular there. Basic setup is 4 Barrage Rangers with Pets, 1 Minion Master, 1 Orders Necro, 2 Monks. Rangers usually bring Favorable Winds and Winnow.
Then there is the good ole UW Trapping. Not as good as it used to be, now that ecto drop rate seems to be once an eon.
EDIT: Just noticed you are on euro servers so the barrage ranger groups might not have become popular there. Basic setup is 4 Barrage Rangers with Pets, 1 Minion Master, 1 Orders Necro, 2 Monks. Rangers usually bring Favorable Winds and Winnow.
DarkCloud
Rangers and Mesmers are awesome in PVP, but in PVE there rather weak imo. I have a ranger in PVE and it is like impossible to find pug grps. But good thing i got guildies to rush me through the game in like 2-3days. :P
Amsterdam
Problem is, people stick to cookie cutter builds all the time, i.e 2 tanks, 2 nukers, 2 monks, Various SS and MM combinations, sometimes a barrage ranger or int ranger, thats usually about it
FoW you can usually find groups if you are a barrage ranger
UW, you are out of luck unless you go witha trap group, which is farily popular, but slow.
SF: MM, SS, HEALER, PROT, STANCE TANK... out of luck again
Tombs UW: maybe if you are a barrage ranger or find a trap group.
Secret is rangers can solo stuff
you just have to figure out the builds!
you have it better off then mesmers do
But I agree, they can be useful.
FoW you can usually find groups if you are a barrage ranger
UW, you are out of luck unless you go witha trap group, which is farily popular, but slow.
SF: MM, SS, HEALER, PROT, STANCE TANK... out of luck again
Tombs UW: maybe if you are a barrage ranger or find a trap group.
Secret is rangers can solo stuff
you just have to figure out the builds!you have it better off then mesmers do
But I agree, they can be useful.
Rilder
Have you ever ran into a ranger spike group while gvging and not being prepared, i was monking in our guilds ally'd guild and we ran into a rank 200 guild (the guild i was guest in being rank 1200) and the enemy team ran a ranger spike.... OUCH...OUCH... OUCH... so yea, rangers own... plus my main chars a ranger
DeanBB
There are some very specific farming setups, like Oro in the Furnace, UW, etc and people often won't accept anything that isn't part of the "normal" group. Actually a Barrage ranger would complement a team such as the gear-holding-tank Oro farming squad very nicely and I bet would actually make the trip thru Grenths that much easier.
This same type of mentality occurs with the missions: gotta have 2 warriors, 2 monks, 2 nukers, battery necro, and oh ok I guess the ranger since there's nobody else.
One of my most fun missions was one of the fire island missions with 4 rangers + monk + warrior + 1 other (forget which). We annihalated that mission with the coordinated ranged attacks and interrupts. It was awesome!
Summary: the problem isn't the ranger, it is people stuck in their ways.
By the way, you have a guild listed, what's up with that? No guild mates to team with? Look us up if interested in a change to a more friendly guild. Or chat in-game if you catch me online.
This same type of mentality occurs with the missions: gotta have 2 warriors, 2 monks, 2 nukers, battery necro, and oh ok I guess the ranger since there's nobody else.
One of my most fun missions was one of the fire island missions with 4 rangers + monk + warrior + 1 other (forget which). We annihalated that mission with the coordinated ranged attacks and interrupts. It was awesome!
Summary: the problem isn't the ranger, it is people stuck in their ways.
By the way, you have a guild listed, what's up with that? No guild mates to team with? Look us up if interested in a change to a more friendly guild. Or chat in-game if you catch me online.
romeo_longsword
Dean, I agree with you, but as a MORPG, which is about dealing with people, to let others accpect you is to be appealing to others, and with the reasons given the above, Ranger is not appealing.
My guild is fine, one of two has been nice to me enough to team with me, however, even when they decided to farm for themsevles, they too would leave me as a Ranger, this truly shows how useless/value less in a team as a ranger. This does not mean they are a poor guild, in fact, I think my guild is good, just that when it comes to a goal they desire to achieve, they want the right tool, and ranger is not it.
PvP wise, I can never have any luck with dueling with a neco, or make the warriors stop following me, I know its because of me, not so much because of a ranger, but when I see a warrior would take no damage at all while I shooting in his buthole, it make you think a little, rather its the game which favor other classes rather then ranger.
My guild is fine, one of two has been nice to me enough to team with me, however, even when they decided to farm for themsevles, they too would leave me as a Ranger, this truly shows how useless/value less in a team as a ranger. This does not mean they are a poor guild, in fact, I think my guild is good, just that when it comes to a goal they desire to achieve, they want the right tool, and ranger is not it.
PvP wise, I can never have any luck with dueling with a neco, or make the warriors stop following me, I know its because of me, not so much because of a ranger, but when I see a warrior would take no damage at all while I shooting in his buthole, it make you think a little, rather its the game which favor other classes rather then ranger.
Arturo02
Do you have all the ranger skills? And if so, have you tried them ALL out? What about spiking, interrupting, degen, condition, trapper, ettin farming solo, etc...?
Arturo02
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My guild is fine, one of two has been nice to me enough to team with me, however, even when they decided to farm for themsevles, they too would leave me as a Ranger, this truly shows how useless/value less in a team as a ranger. This does not mean they are a poor guild, in fact, I think my guild is good, just that when it comes to a goal they desire to achieve, they want the right tool, and ranger is not it.
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And if they did know anything, they would know a ranger is very useful. Sounds like they are just like the people you say don't want a ranger. And they aren't leaving you to farm because you are a ranger, but because solo gets them more loot.
See, I think what's going on is everyone around you is telling you rangers are unwanted, and they are influencing your thought process. Go get some henchies and play the ranger class by yourself in some zones. Try some different stuff out, experiment. See for yourself if the class is viable or not.
romeo_longsword
Re: Arturo02.
I know what your suggestion is, but the problem is, no matter hopw my perosnal skill in using the ranger, on a common level, the community of the game world just would not NEED a ranger.
But to answer your question, I have tried all of which you have metioned, but not every single skill there is avilable to a ranger.
Personally, I think it would be good if there is some very important skill to the ranger, which is important in group farming.
Otherwise, ranger would stay un popular.
I know what your suggestion is, but the problem is, no matter hopw my perosnal skill in using the ranger, on a common level, the community of the game world just would not NEED a ranger.
But to answer your question, I have tried all of which you have metioned, but not every single skill there is avilable to a ranger.
Personally, I think it would be good if there is some very important skill to the ranger, which is important in group farming.
Otherwise, ranger would stay un popular.
romeo_longsword
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I think your guild sounds a little elitest. They were nice enough to team with you? Part of being in a guild is you help each other out, do things together.
And if they did know anything, they would know a ranger is very useful. Sounds like they are just like the people you say don't want a ranger. And they aren't leaving you to farm because you are a ranger, but because solo gets them more loot. See, I think what's going on is everyone around you is telling you rangers are unwanted, and they are influencing your thought process. Go get some henchies and play the ranger class by yourself in some zones. Try some different stuff out, experiment. See for yourself if the class is viable or not. |
I can of course solo farming, and try out a few stuff, I have been doing so, but I do however, enjoy a lot more with real people, which is somthing of a MORPG attracts me.
You are right about everyone around me, not so much of "telling", but showing me taht ranger is crap and unneeded. I personal love the style of the character, which I am not going to change just because everyone do not value the ranger, however, if you go to the warcam, look around you, you will find that very less group would fancy a ranger.
DeanBB
Farming from the war camp is one of those specific "ultimate team" type of scenarios I referred to earlier.
What you need is a team to maximize a ranger's usefulness so look in the ranger board for options, like this one (Tombs farming with 4 rangers):
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=119023
Or how bout this: In the war camp start your own team rather than waiting to be invited by others. Get a tank, MM, monks, and whatever else and head out. Using Barrage and interrupts you will increase the damage output and certainly carry your weight.
What you need is a team to maximize a ranger's usefulness so look in the ranger board for options, like this one (Tombs farming with 4 rangers):
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=119023
Or how bout this: In the war camp start your own team rather than waiting to be invited by others. Get a tank, MM, monks, and whatever else and head out. Using Barrage and interrupts you will increase the damage output and certainly carry your weight.
onyo
...all the hard missions there are (pretty much stuff starting after Dragons misson) everyones is "LF RANGER". In THK, trappers are almost a need.
VS flint, try 3+ trappers w/ crippling shot, and u just pwnd flint.
also Int rangers are also widly "accepted"
VS flint, try 3+ trappers w/ crippling shot, and u just pwnd flint.
also Int rangers are also widly "accepted"
romeo_longsword
Could you tell me what is a:
LF Ranger
THK
INT Ranger
LF Ranger
THK
INT Ranger
onyo
Looking For Ranger
Thunderhedge Keep
Inturrupt Ranger
Thunderhedge Keep
Inturrupt Ranger
Numa Pompilius
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Nope, I completed the game for a week
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You mean your lvl 20 guildies completed the game in a week for you, while you were in the party...
kimo the healer
Rangers are getting more and more popular.
People are starting to realise how good they are.
Barrage/Interupt/Pets rangers are great in tombs
You can do it in about 1hr flat.
5 Ra/mo
1 minion master
1 order
1 pure healer
If yur having trouble getting in groups, then your not trying that hard.
People are starting to realise how good they are.
Barrage/Interupt/Pets rangers are great in tombs
You can do it in about 1hr flat.
5 Ra/mo
1 minion master
1 order
1 pure healer
If yur having trouble getting in groups, then your not trying that hard.
romeo_longsword
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You completed the game in a week?
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The game to me is fullfilling, but its not that difficult even as a Ranger in terms of all the missions and bonus. But the fact is that you have to re-word my achievement in the way you did, shows how petty your character is.
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If yur having trouble getting in groups, then your not trying that hard.
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I can accpect that the US servers might run a different culture in terms of the value of a ranger, however, what I have said about how un popular the ranger where I play, stays a fact.
I feel I do not need to address how much effort I have put into getting in a group to you, but I can honestly tell myself, I hold no regret in the effort I have made. Its very simple to find out this fact by yourself while people looking for a group, they would shout out what classes they need, and you can see if for yourself how much the ranger is in demand compare with other classes such as nukers, monk and mm, ss, and tons of terms I am un aware of.
Hockster
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Rangers and Mesmers are awesome in PVP, but in PVE there rather weak imo. I have a ranger in PVE and it is like impossible to find pug grps. But good thing i got guildies to rush me through the game in like 2-3days. :P
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Numa Pompilius
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I would say, about 15% were aided by them for missions, and when it comes to caping all the elite skills, I have recived 80% aid from them.
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Basically, having played only two weeks, most of which carried by other players, you're an extremely inexperienced guildwars player, regardless of what gear you have or what level you are. You may chose to not believe me, but it's true. Normally after two weeks of gaming people are somewhere around Piken Square.
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But I suspect you're not really talking about PvE missions and quests here, you're talking about farming, and specifically farming in GF/SF and the new underworld. Isn't that right?
That's a different story, because just like mesmers, rangers don't fit in the standard 5-man nuker+mm or ss-necro+boonprot or bonder or healmonk+geartank teams.
fallot
I fail to understand your complaints.
Barrage, Traps, Spirits.
No, the value of conditions is not taken lightly, and ranger interrupts are practically demanded by a lot of groups. I dont think we're playing the same game. Either that or you always find the worst groups.
Have you considered that you may not be using your skills to their maximum benefit ? Carrying Power Shot, Penetrating Attack etc. is not going to help you kill anything. Necros should not be a problem for rangers and warriors are only difficult to handle if all you are doing in mediocre physical damage.
As far as farming is considered (besides the fact that there are numerous Ranger solo builds) you have UW trapping and Barrage teams in Tombs (with up to 6 rangers). Both of these builds are very easy to run, and rarely fail because they are so safe and easy.
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Personally, I think it would be good if there is some very important skill to the ranger, which is important in group farming.
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I usually cause posion and bleeding and slowing the mods, but thing is, these are combat elements that people would not appericate that much as it does not have a contrasting direct display, on the other hand, the warrior has. I also aim to be good at interupe spell casters and other offesive moves such as the gaint stomp, but again, people would appericate more if they see you killing the thing instead of perventing it doing somthing. |
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PvP wise, I can never have any luck with dueling with a neco, or make the warriors stop following me, I know its because of me, not so much because of a ranger, but when I see a warrior would take no damage at all while I shooting in his buthole, it make you think a little, rather its the game which favor other classes rather then ranger.
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As far as farming is considered (besides the fact that there are numerous Ranger solo builds) you have UW trapping and Barrage teams in Tombs (with up to 6 rangers). Both of these builds are very easy to run, and rarely fail because they are so safe and easy.
Deathqueen
Rangers and Mesmers are the least loved, get used to it, it gets worse as you get higher in level for PVE. PVP is a different story, rangers get a little more love in PVP, an Mesmers still hang onto the last rung of love. Screaming for fairness, screaming for equality, screaming like a woman for attention. (smile)
And if you ever wonder where the majority of rangers and mesmers are playing in PVP? Just have a go at the random 4x4's there no one can keep them out. lol There's thousands of em.
And if you ever wonder where the majority of rangers and mesmers are playing in PVP? Just have a go at the random 4x4's there no one can keep them out. lol There's thousands of em.
jimmy_logic
I love my ranger... (1st character) he doing great now since he got a companion, I dont care for what people say but so far BM skills rock on a ranger. I must say I do run into problems getting a group though on the odd occassion. But who gives if I dont get a group I just get henches.
fallot
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Rangers and Mesmers are the least loved, get used to it, it gets worse as you get higher in level for PVE. PVP is a different story, rangers get a little more love in PVP, an Mesmers still hang onto the last rung of love. Screaming for fairness, screaming for equality, screaming like a woman for attention.
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I recommend you play as both of these classes for some time before making sweeping comments. That or uninstall the game
Peewee
*sigh*
well, its the same old story basically. Rangers are the most versatile class in the game. This often means that people end up trying to do everything at once with them. Rangers can tank, if its ele damage, and especially if they have the same tanking skills a warrior has, but its not their forte.
Often it seems tht rangers can do everything, but to a lesser degree than other professions. A jack of all trades if you will, and a master of none. This is not true. Having played as a ranger since day one (5 months ago) i know what akes a good ranger, i know what makes a rubbish ranger. The rubbish ranger is usually the one that trys to emulate other proffesions. They use the rangers ability to do almost any job to a degree as an excuse to do jobs better suited to the warriors, or the elementalist.
A good ranger sees the niche that rangers can fill. They are enormous damage dealers, perhaps more so than elementalists and warriors. They also have the longest range, and a lot of condition adding abilities. Combined with a good use of the secondary profession a ranger is a major help to any team.
This said, they are the most difficult class to master. Warrior have skills that go in levels, its obvious that gash and sever artery were made for each other With rangers its more difficult. Only a few skills compliment each other obviously, and there are no real universal skills. As a result people often end up just throwing together skills that do little to compliment each other, or compliment the needs of a team. A good ranger can pin a target down, gluing them to the spot, or spread conditions around a team, or utterly disable casters for some time.
It all goes wrong when somebody trys to do it all at once, like a warrior bringing sword, hammer and axe abilities. As a result rangers are often massibely underated. They are not seen to fill any part of the group, along with necros and mesmers. Warriors tank, eles do the damage, and monks stop you dieing. Thats all you need. right?
wrong. anyone who has played GW for any lenght of time knows these proffesions worth in both pvp and pve. Rangers can trap, which if a team uses correcly, does far more for the team than an extra warrior. Rangers can snipe, taking down soft targets with ease from range.
Its a shame that they are so uderated by pve players. I had the same problem as i went through the game. Essentially, if a group cant see the worth of a ranger, then they are not worth your time. Imo if any proffesion is overrated, it the warriors.
Remember ranger ppl, slap anyone who thinks a ranger is useless. and then plant a arrow where it hurts.
well, its the same old story basically. Rangers are the most versatile class in the game. This often means that people end up trying to do everything at once with them. Rangers can tank, if its ele damage, and especially if they have the same tanking skills a warrior has, but its not their forte.
Often it seems tht rangers can do everything, but to a lesser degree than other professions. A jack of all trades if you will, and a master of none. This is not true. Having played as a ranger since day one (5 months ago) i know what akes a good ranger, i know what makes a rubbish ranger. The rubbish ranger is usually the one that trys to emulate other proffesions. They use the rangers ability to do almost any job to a degree as an excuse to do jobs better suited to the warriors, or the elementalist.
A good ranger sees the niche that rangers can fill. They are enormous damage dealers, perhaps more so than elementalists and warriors. They also have the longest range, and a lot of condition adding abilities. Combined with a good use of the secondary profession a ranger is a major help to any team.
This said, they are the most difficult class to master. Warrior have skills that go in levels, its obvious that gash and sever artery were made for each other With rangers its more difficult. Only a few skills compliment each other obviously, and there are no real universal skills. As a result people often end up just throwing together skills that do little to compliment each other, or compliment the needs of a team. A good ranger can pin a target down, gluing them to the spot, or spread conditions around a team, or utterly disable casters for some time.
It all goes wrong when somebody trys to do it all at once, like a warrior bringing sword, hammer and axe abilities. As a result rangers are often massibely underated. They are not seen to fill any part of the group, along with necros and mesmers. Warriors tank, eles do the damage, and monks stop you dieing. Thats all you need. right?
wrong. anyone who has played GW for any lenght of time knows these proffesions worth in both pvp and pve. Rangers can trap, which if a team uses correcly, does far more for the team than an extra warrior. Rangers can snipe, taking down soft targets with ease from range.
Its a shame that they are so uderated by pve players. I had the same problem as i went through the game. Essentially, if a group cant see the worth of a ranger, then they are not worth your time. Imo if any proffesion is overrated, it the warriors.
Remember ranger ppl, slap anyone who thinks a ranger is useless. and then plant a arrow where it hurts.
Big_Iron
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Rangers are getting more and more popular.
People are starting to realise how good they are. Barrage/Interupt/Pets rangers are great in tombs You can do it in about 1hr flat. 5 Ra/mo 1 minion master 1 order 1 pure healer If yur having trouble getting in groups, then your not trying that hard. |
Mithie
Rangers unpopular? Are you freaking kidding me?
All I see in are ranger trapping groups and 2 man SS runs
All I see in tombs are barrage teams.
No, rangers aren't unpopular. Not by a longshot. Mesmers on the other hand...
All I see in are ranger trapping groups and 2 man SS runs
All I see in tombs are barrage teams.
No, rangers aren't unpopular. Not by a longshot. Mesmers on the other hand...
Pevil Lihatuh
Rangers are only popular for specifics (trapping/barrage etc). For the game itself, forget it. I've played a ranger since release.
Honestly, if you're bothered by people not wanting you and you don't want to take henchies, get a 'cookie-cutter' build. But those people who insist on having Char X with X skills, they're not worth playing with. People like that need to be forced into playing Rangers and Mesmers to show them how moronic they are. A group who will accept a ranger is probably a far better group at teamwork 90% of the time and will make it a far better time.
Oh and if my guild didn't want me along because i'm a ranger, I'd be out of there before you could say Melandru.
Honestly, if you're bothered by people not wanting you and you don't want to take henchies, get a 'cookie-cutter' build. But those people who insist on having Char X with X skills, they're not worth playing with. People like that need to be forced into playing Rangers and Mesmers to show them how moronic they are. A group who will accept a ranger is probably a far better group at teamwork 90% of the time and will make it a far better time.
Oh and if my guild didn't want me along because i'm a ranger, I'd be out of there before you could say Melandru.
dr1zz one
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But to answer your question, I have tried all of which you have metioned, but not every single skill there is avilable to a ranger. |
there are far too many elite skills to cap in a week, plus you will need EXP to get skill points to get cap sigs to get those elites. I have yet to cap every elite on one toon.
but as far as complete everything in one week....wow....you must have played 24/7
i've only completed ROF missions on 2 characters....been playing months and I still dont consider that completing the game. try unlocking all your secondary skills, that alone could take a month or two.
Arturo02
romeo, could you post one of the builds you use as a ranger?
romeo_longsword
As I continue to play my ranger, and taking CONSTRUCTIVE advice from different directions of the community, I have recently have found one single route that supports and shows the value of the ranger.
Which is the Ranger Barrage/Pet Team work at the UW, I have done it before with other typs of team, but of course, the most comfortable and easy, and fast method to do it is with a pack of other rangers (and MM, order and monk).
So from this one direction, I have picked up my sprit again.
Rangers are good indeed when it comes together with other rangers.
However, for thouse who, fail to see the complain, rangers are un popular in many other ways as some of which has been described in the eailer posts, I think it comes to the matter of rather you choose to believe them, rather then the lacking of ability to see this fact.
Arturo:
My Barrage build: Barrage, Distract Shot, Throw Dirt, A Sprit, Cham Pet, Troll, Comfort Pet, Rez Sig.
PvP: (all of which changes around a little )
1) Kindle arrows, Dual Shot, lighting reflex, Troll, Rez Sig, Pen Shot, Defence, savage.
2) Mel's Arrow, Dual Shot, Troll, Rez Sig, hunter shot, Defence, lighting reflex, distracting shot.
3) cripple, distracting, savage, distoation, hunter shot, troll, apply posion, rez sig.
4) punishing shot, distracting, savage, distoation, black out, troll, apply posion, rez sig.
Constructive advice wellcome.
Which is the Ranger Barrage/Pet Team work at the UW, I have done it before with other typs of team, but of course, the most comfortable and easy, and fast method to do it is with a pack of other rangers (and MM, order and monk).
So from this one direction, I have picked up my sprit again.
Rangers are good indeed when it comes together with other rangers.
However, for thouse who, fail to see the complain, rangers are un popular in many other ways as some of which has been described in the eailer posts, I think it comes to the matter of rather you choose to believe them, rather then the lacking of ability to see this fact.
Arturo:
My Barrage build: Barrage, Distract Shot, Throw Dirt, A Sprit, Cham Pet, Troll, Comfort Pet, Rez Sig.
PvP: (all of which changes around a little )
1) Kindle arrows, Dual Shot, lighting reflex, Troll, Rez Sig, Pen Shot, Defence, savage.
2) Mel's Arrow, Dual Shot, Troll, Rez Sig, hunter shot, Defence, lighting reflex, distracting shot.
3) cripple, distracting, savage, distoation, hunter shot, troll, apply posion, rez sig.
4) punishing shot, distracting, savage, distoation, black out, troll, apply posion, rez sig.
Constructive advice wellcome.
Pompeyfan
I've never had much trouble getting in groups with my ranger (on the EU server btw) and rarely trap as I find it so boring - I usually play as an interuppter/condition spreader and use barrage/judges insight when undead are about.
The groups that don't want rangers (or mesmer's for that matter) are incredibly short-sighted - our regular parties to clear SF/FoW/UW/Tombs UW always take a ranger and mesmer as they can shut down all those annoying things you come up against like casters/monks/siege wurms and the ranger is a major damage dealer v undead. In fact, the only place I've found a non-trapping ranger less than effective is the early part of UW, but once you start through Twin-Dragon mountain where ranged attacks are best for the behometh's and get to the chaos plane and spawning pool the ranger really come's into their own.
Luckily the guild I'm with and the regular players from other guilds we party with are more open minded and rangers/mesmer's are very well represented and my ranger has managed to do every mission/bonus/quest/2nd proffession quest in GW apart from Final Assault which I still have left, also got every skill/elite too.
My favoritre build is:
Distracting Shot/Savage Shot/Choking Gas to shut down monk's/casters.
Barrage/Judges Insight for undead slaugtering
Troll Unguent - although rarely used
Rebirth/Storm Chaser - to get the parties arse out the fire if it goes tits up
If no undead likely then I'll normally drop storm chaser (need the space), Rebirth, Barrage and Judges and go Mesmer 2nd with Epidemic, Res Sig, Crippling Shot and Apply Poison - great fun inflicting a condition or two then interuppting removal attempts
The groups that don't want rangers (or mesmer's for that matter) are incredibly short-sighted - our regular parties to clear SF/FoW/UW/Tombs UW always take a ranger and mesmer as they can shut down all those annoying things you come up against like casters/monks/siege wurms and the ranger is a major damage dealer v undead. In fact, the only place I've found a non-trapping ranger less than effective is the early part of UW, but once you start through Twin-Dragon mountain where ranged attacks are best for the behometh's and get to the chaos plane and spawning pool the ranger really come's into their own.
Luckily the guild I'm with and the regular players from other guilds we party with are more open minded and rangers/mesmer's are very well represented and my ranger has managed to do every mission/bonus/quest/2nd proffession quest in GW apart from Final Assault which I still have left, also got every skill/elite too.
My favoritre build is:
Distracting Shot/Savage Shot/Choking Gas to shut down monk's/casters.
Barrage/Judges Insight for undead slaugtering
Troll Unguent - although rarely used
Rebirth/Storm Chaser - to get the parties arse out the fire if it goes tits up
If no undead likely then I'll normally drop storm chaser (need the space), Rebirth, Barrage and Judges and go Mesmer 2nd with Epidemic, Res Sig, Crippling Shot and Apply Poison - great fun inflicting a condition or two then interuppting removal attempts