The GW Community - whats wrong?

Hey Everyone,

I want to start by saying I think GW is an amazing game. I am an old AC1, AC2 type gamer, and this game is just fantastic.

I wanted to get feedback to see if anyone else was experiencing what my friends and I have been experiencing for the past few Beta Weekend Events.

Although the game itself is fantastic, I can’t help be continually be let down by the caliber of the "community" in this game. Please let me explain.

I log on, and see/hear no one talking in open chat. A few blurbs here or there, but primarily no one is talking to one another. I send out a shout to see if anyone wants to group to go quest...no one responds. I ask a question, maybe about how to craft, or what is the best armor, maybe a question about a weapon - no one responds.

I go to the Gladiator Arena - the team forms and I ask - "who is calling targets"? No one responds. I then ask again, and usually I hear, "You call targets". I say "Ok, make sure we all go the healers first or all attack the Warriors". Everyone on the team says "Ok, sounds good", or "Ill follow you". And the minute the "whistle" blows, everyone runs off in different directions, no one is talking, no one is listening to targets, no one is healing team members - but the SECOND someone dies - all I hear is "Quick, come REZ me".

When you win in the Gladiator Arena, you’re told "You’re a loser", or "FU", or "That was a cheap #$% victory"... When you tell the other team "hey everyone GG" - no one responds...

Why is that? Why is this community so cold, so harsh, and so unwilling to help or listen to those that happen to be quite good at this game? Is it because this game is FREE to play?

I average about 75 PK Battles in the Gladiator Arena each Beta Weekend - so I would say I know what I am doing and I usually win...but I have to either pull teeth to do it, or run around REZZing my Team because no one listened on how to win.

I hate to post these types of messages, but I just have to know if I am the only one that is seeing this...

Thanks,

FUBAR

I think you see that kind of behavior simply because a lot of the people playing are not that experienced, and have only played for one or maybe a few weekends. Its not a stable environment where people know each other or have even seen the other name, so its hard to get people involved or even talking. I think that after release things will settle down and a stable in-game community wil develop. The fan-sites have a great community and hopefully that will move in-game as well once we can play more than 1 weekend a month.

I don't think the game being free or not has anything to do with it. I used to subscribe to a couple of MMOs (mostly Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot) and even in games where people had to pay, the community tended to degenerate.
There is .. just this kind of mindset that this kind of behavior is expected and somehow, that makes it alright. I don't think I need to justify this statement any further than to say that if it wasn't, we wouldn't have stereotypes of this kind of gamer to begin with. Now, I don't feel that these people are the majority... just the very visible minority.
I think you'll find that there's a lot of great people out there .. it's just that they tend to stay quiet in the face of these situations, and tend to let themselves be pushed out of the way. I've had runs in Tombs where we come across some other team that'll start spewing incomprehensible vileness through the match, and will curse out after they've lost.. and it just completely kills my urge to play competitively. I'm fairly certain i'm not the only person to have had days like that.

The only thing I can really say, is that these communities, the ones belonging to the fansites, are a good place to start looking for quality people to game with. We're all here because we enjoy the game, and we want to talk about it. So right off the bat, that's one of the biggest problems solved - communication. I find that .. once you've got a good group, then these other problems tend to fade away. I don't care so much about someone elses lousy behavior if I know i'm still enjoying my time with friends. Would that I could say it didn't have to be this way - but I don't have power enough to influence the entire community, but I can influence it here .. and so long as that holds true, then there will always be a place for the antithesis of the viral gamer.

I have had the same experience as FUBAR. Most have been unwilling to listen to direction and as a result groups would get wiped out consistently...with a win scattered in here and there. With the exception of one GREAT group, the majority have been miserable.

Whether the community never PK'd before is irrelevant. I had never PK'd before but had the common sense to understand the 'logic' behind this type of fighting and caught on by the time the weekend was over. What surprised me the most is that most people don't realize that in order to win, a 'team...not individual' determines success.....I can't tell you how many times people ran off doing there own thing, ultimately died, and yelled about it after the fact.

I truly hope people catch on after release. It's an awesome game, but the lack of 'listening skills' will easily segment those with brains and those without.

I've not had much community problems in Tombs and GvG atleast.

Stop playing Arena? Arena is no indication of what GW PvP is like. It's random, and full of morons.

I went on a mission with a group and had more or less the same experience: No one talked, they just ran and killed. Now, I'm not expert in field tactics, but even I know that's not the way to win the game. It wasn't until I chided them about leaving me behind when I died that I started hearing any of them say anything.

Normally, I prefer to pal around with people before I team up. Get to know them, learn thier prefered style (tank, archer, healer), etc. I found it a difficult task to do this, though: the towns were completely given over to people trying to do trades. When people weren't trading, they tended to be very quiet. I'm a chatty guy, I like to talk. I didn't find a place to do that in.

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That's not to say I didn't find people to chat with. On the contrary, I found several. But nowhere to do so away from the hustleing mob, as it were.

Dave III

I've come across good people and bad people, FUBAR. I think there are more of the former than the latter, but that they don't feel the need (vis., they have the maturity not to worry about it) to duel verbally with random goobers who cuss at them.

I must have had some good opponents on average, because I never got cursed at. Except when they'd stack about 9 curses, hexes, etc., on my poor Monk, but that's beside the point. The only time that even vaguely resembled anything worrisome was when I and one other, in a last-ditch desperation maneuver, broke through the fight around our Ressurectin Shrine (Our Priest had just died) and launched an attack on Yellow Team's Priest and Hero. Someone on the Yellow team told me that "you don't need to be a p---k about it." I told him that yes, I just had to be, and that it was in my nature, and they laughed.

So I think that if you look past the vocal boors and morons that unfortunately are a part of the game, then youwill find some very good players and people. And don't do the Arena- it's worthless, except as a time-waster.

My experience with pvp is that it's sometimes best (with the exeption of a healer, who needs to be group aware) that it's a good idea just to let everyone do their own thing, and not going out of their way to back up the others...most of the time anyway. With regards to the non-pvp coopertive missions, i've usually been fortunate enough to have teamed up with other experianced players.

You have to take into consideration there are a lot of beta only weekend players and have no idea what they're doing. I had a lot of fun playing it and eventually met players who knew and/or tried to play cooperatively. It's just a matter of time to find them. Saw a lot of idiots too but that's to be expected.

Had a lot of fun in PvP even when my team was slaughtered in 20 seconds but it was a learning experience for me and I'm sure for a lot of the other players. You can't expect everyone to know how to play in PvP from the jump especially when some players don't even expect the auto teaming to come. I found eventually the players figure out what to do and started to use tactics.

As for talking in in the cities that can vary with your mileage. I tried to help out but sometimes just didn't feel like responding, was busy doing something, or just didn't know the answer.

The game is great and eventually the community will get better I think. Well at least I can hope.

I guess the best way to help is to answer questions for players when asked. I'll try more the next since I've played two beta weekend.

i think this will sort it self out after retail

right now you have people who have bought the preorder for a few dollars and wont be back

those people can and will say any garbage they want knowing they wont be around to live with it

also the jerks who will be changing their names at retail and then be model citizens under permanent scruteny of the community

when you have to create a new character to leave behind a bad reputation it will slow down

people will start to recognize the troublemakers and sort themselves out from them

as more people play and lose in pvp they will be more willing to take advice toavoid being at the bottom forever

right now nobody has anything to lose by being an ass

simply put the social stakes of being a jerk will be higher after retail is out

RP charicters and PvP charicters are the biggest differences in this game then i have ever seen in any other game thus far. I have had the time of my life playing missions (PvE) with the random pick up groups I have found. This past weekend I was in some awsome groups, we talked, laughed, and just a had blast working our way through the storyline. It was great. I can't wait for this game to go live. As long as the dev team stays up with progress and keeps the content fresh and fun this game will go looooong ways. I was able to get a few pointers on how to make things and that the more you go through the story the more people you meet that will unlock more skills for you. I think FUBAR that if you really want PvP you will find a different "type" of player then if you look to have fun in the PvE side of things.


Tredo Underhill
Monk / Necro

that is the absolute truth opposite sides of the coin entirely from my limited contact with any pvp people

though the best pvp people seem to be quite willing to talk with someone instead of talking down to them

it is as though some have to prove by atatude and beligerance that they are the best even if they lose

while the better ones will say nice victory after a good match even if they lost

Just find yourself a good guild. I got in to a good one around the 2nd night of beta we always talked and even did PvEs and PvPs it was really fun. And about teh target calling i know what you mean i usealy say the same thign and get teh same replys bu t it never happens

I played arena quite a bit on the first day.. and I actually didn't see that many openly rude people.. People did say gg after most games. Only in one game did someone sprout inane comments.. but since it was arena, I just left after the game was over.

But I do agree.. pick up groups are..

The only solution I found was playing with my guildmates, or drilling the random Tombs group I joined with questions of "what's the plan? who's targeting? etc.." Of course, since I was a monk, if those pick up groups even -touched- the 8/8 group limit with only one healer (me), I flung myself out of the group as fast as I can frantically click the "leave" button. If they don't give me a good reason for letting me fry without another healer to back me up (and in most cases, the groups are utterly silent), then chances are, it's a waste of my time as 2 min later, we'll all be face down, and.. well.. finding our tombs in.. tombs.

So.. I know this isn't a very satisfying reply.. but I would just say to PvP primarily with guildmates/friends. If you don't have a guild, find a nice guild -- there are plenty out there, and I personally adore my guild.

Arena is good if you don't want to wait.. but like others said, it honestly doesn't take much skills.. so whoever yells "U SUK!" well.. pretty much needs to blame laughing luck over there.

Oh.. and as for questions in cities/missions.. I don't usually look at the textbox, I'm sorry. >.< Especially in cities, the spam flows over you in floods, and unless I'm looking to buy something, I block all of it out. Of course, the communities I find on the forums are for the most part wonderful groups of people. You can always ask here if you have additional questions after reading the numerous guides on the main page.

Usually when you PvP its with your guild already. The way I've seen things with my own guild is fantastic! I haven't been able to do the Gladiator Arena (probably haven't taken the time) but what I do see in the PvE areas is all the same.

As Spooky said... its the vast minority. There are some people that aren't familiar with how everything works yet (me being one of them) and just trying to figure things out. On the other hand, in towns and cities sometimes, so many people are saying so many things that you can't catch one thing before its gone because so much has been added since then. You just gotta be patient... those that are willing to talk and want to help will get a hold of you. Its just a matter of time though while sorting through the fabricated nonsense of everyones' garbled blurbs!

This BWE I spent a lot of time with my guild (Legions of the Asharak) because I knew what kind of characters they are. Sure, I played with others and had a good time with them but also knew it wasn't quite the same. Its fun when you know someone has got your back... makes things easier, per se, that way.

Overall, the one thing we all need (some have it and some don't) is patience and to find the right people that will work perfectly with us.

Super long thoughts for just adding my two cents...

Yes, I had similar problems.
From Friday to late Saturday I simply could not finish Gates of Kryta no matter what.

Me: "Stop. STOP! STOP!!! DON'T MOVE! DON'T GO FURTHER!"
*The elementalist rushes towards the enemy group, gets killed and a horde of monsters come towards us*
Him: "Rez meeeeeee"
OR
Me: "Okay, warrior, please run forward, healers in the back."
Them: "k"
*The healer runs forwards, gets poisoned and killed*
OR
Me: "Okay, let's rush them!"
Him: "No, let the White Mantles fight them."
*White mantles get killed*
Me: "Lets rush them fast!"
Him: "No, let the Zombie Warlock raise dead"
Me: "And then what?"
Him: "We'll wait untill the bone minions die."
OR
Me: "Let's go through Drakes!"
They: "no i want to get to lions arch fast"
*We get to the bridge and there's a bunch of undeads*
They: "lets wait"
*The undead pass*
They: "let the white mantles fight them"
*The undead kill the crucial NPC and we all fail the quest.

In a nutshell, the beta weekend left me pondering whether I really want a game like Guild Wars. I did eventually find a good party and finished the quest but I had no wish to play GW after. Guild Wars is a great game with one con. Sadly, this disadvantage cannot be fixed by a patch.

possibly total noobs?

after they get swatted a bit possibly many of them will be more willing to actually work together

QUESTION
any other online games have the same types of problem or is it only GW?

... the best was this guy that begged and begged to get in the PvE group I was in. We finally took him in because he said he was a good healer and headed through the mission with those centaur guys and all the moss scarab spider things. This guy was preatty awesome ........ at dying all the time. He played a monk/something and tried to tank every mob group and then ended up begging for a res every 5 secs. Eventually we tried to let him know what monsters were comming up and stuff and he just headed right for them totally ignorant of our comments. Needless to say after the 6th time dying he left the group amongst a slew of rude comments on our healing abilities so we proceeded on our own to the end of the mission, some 2 hours later.

Sometimes less is more.

- Iczer

The beta in February was a good one for me. Met a group that we randomly put together. We were all answering each others questions. We ended up up running from pre-searing ascalon to nolani academy. It was all done in one sitting and we even took a break and no one left. When we were thrust into the pvp battles we were awesome. Now....

This weekend the chat was minimal. Questions I had, never were answered exxcept for smart a$$ remarks. I was asked to party several times but never in chat or reply o tell me what they needed to do. No one seemed very engaging. So I had one other friend playing. We just grabbed the mercs and played the new areas all weekend. Very beautiful btw!!!

I sent this earlier. But im in a gaming clan and we rent a server for games such as bf1942, desert combat, CSS. We also have a voice ops prog running. It is ventrilo. It is free and will cost you nothing. If you want to join up for the next beta feel free to stop by. The ip address for our ventrilo is 67.18.149.98. Password is vod.

Get ventrilo by clicking here!!

Then when you get to that page d/l the client file. Run the program and enter in the server nfo and your name. Then hit connect. If you are having problems with your mic. There is a chat feature there that we can help you out with. L8S

I definitely agree with VOD..

I am such an advocator of finding a good guild now.. that I'm a bit alarmed.

Honestly though.. out of four BWEs, the March one was by far the best for me. I didn't even get to play as much as I wanted.. and the -entire- reason that I was so much happier during the entire weekend was because of my guild.

It makes an incredible difference to be with people who are caring individuals -- a few are grumpy, of course, but that just adds to their charm. My best hours were spent in the GH just goofing around and joking with guildmates. Plus, in such an environment, you'll find that most people know what they're doing. Those who don't will learn fast because of the friendly environment.

I absolutely adore this game, but it has always been rather lonely. Random people/teams, I find, for the most part aren't very into the "lets get to know each other and have fun" thing.. and half the time, -I- don't want to talk either. Guilds are entirely different.

So.. I know I sound like a broken record, but definitely, if you don't have a guild, consider looking at the guilds section of the forums. I found that looking at the guild's website tells quite a bit (much better than nothing) about the people in them -- especially their forums, if they have one.

One thing about the lack of people talking in "!all" is that once you get a nice pug och guild you'll stick with it and spend all your time in #group(?) or @guild chat - I only ever open !all to trade or if the group I've been running with had to split so I had to look for a new group.

This is sort of unfortunate for the mood of the game tho I must admit. Once "everyone" is in a guild i wonder what will happen to !all

And unless the pick up area is really empty and you have to push on... unless the group repsonds to questions during assembly - quit it and look for another. If you can't find a group at the current mission - port back to the previous one and try to get a good group and help them through it and hopefully you can continue with the new one after that.

If you have a good experience with a group, add the nice people to your friends list and ask them if you can hook up later if the pug has to split for some reason.

Treasure the nice people - they are out there

Wish I knew a way to make the guilded people more talkative tho

I believe this game will get better once it's released as far as the community goes. Most people just don't understand called targets, tactics, etc...

Back when I used to play EQ we had great communication, but that game had been out for a long time and for the most part, everyone understood their roles and what they should be doing.

I understand where you're coming from FUBAR, but people are like that in all games online lately. We're lucky it's not as bad as in other games, such as Counter-Strike. All people do is talk trash, it's ridiculous! Whenever I see someone asking 'How do I get to the Tomb of Primeval Kings' or simliar questions, I tell them, but sometimes people don't know the answers. I often see people chatting casually, but most are interested in advancing in the game.

Personally I think it's because of just how faceless the internet really is. I wouldn't dare talk the way some people do online to their face, its the quickest way to get a mouth full of fist >_>.

It's likely not going to get any better either, this is what happens when you have a wide age group of people playing. Best thing I guess is just if you run into a good group of people cling to them and never let go.

Or we could make some of list, like a master names list of everyone who wants to quest as a co-operative team that converses...or somesuch.

But I totally understand what you're saying FUBAR, try playing Tribes Vengenace, a game that relies solely on co-operation with a group of people that will not do as you say, listen, or even talk. that drove the game into the ground so quick for me. At least its good to know there's dozens here who wish the same thing you do. We'll all be fine in the end :P

Once people get sick of randomly trading their belongings to the one willing the part the most gold it should improve some, but only because they'll either leave, or actually begin to better understand the game.

Fubar, you need some friends. One of the great things about this game is being able to form a guild and play with those people as a team. If you are upset with the quality of the people on your team, start a guild and recruit some friends that can work as a team. Most of the people on the BWE are just seeing the game for the first time, experimenting with things and learning where things are.

Yeah, im an old Anarchy Online player, which is a small, mostly european game. The community is mostly just people running around shit talking each other, or selling items. Its relaxing not to have to deal with that.

I was rather happy with World of Warcrafts setting that doesnt allow you to talk to opposing faction, that takes out tons and tons of potty mouth text, and just random bullshit that one generally has to deal with in an online community.

Once this game gets rolling, people start finding out the value of items, people start realizing who the eletist are, and who are the casual gamers, you will have all of the chit chat you want.

I don't think that the community probelm is limited to GW. I've seen a decline in community of EVERY online game I've played over time. Back in the days where only smart people played mmoRPGs (not the power leveling noobs, but the RPG fans), community was great. Back in June of 1999, I found a free online game of 500 people called Mercenaries of Astonia. It came out in 1998, but the community had developed nicely. People were always willing to help new players, general chatting was cool, stuff like that. Then all of a sudden, something happened. People joined who had no intention of enjoying the ride towards the top but instead wanted to look down on those from the top. Sarcasim took over, staff members got real strict, no one was helping anymore. No chatting. The people who have been there since the beginning left, and the community completely crumbled. The game was shut down in 2003.

It is apparent that many people are playing GW just to be dominant. As the game progresses, it will get worse, not better, unless people go out of their way now to help.

The fact a game is free has a major impact on community. If anyone has ever played T4C, you know that the p2p servers have better community than the free servers.

GW will be fine though since people care about the community.

QUESTION FOR EXPERTS (i have never tried it so i dont know)

can you go back and redo a mission after you have completed it once or does it give you a this mission has been done message

if you can i was thinking of going back to the early missions on a fairly regular basis and acting as a guide for people who have been killed for the xxx time trying it

not doing it for them but giving a bit of a boost if needed

Of course you can do the missions again

You will not get the exp for finishing it tho.

So it's perfect time to start working on that bonus mission you skipped last time you played the mission.


(unless you are just farming drakes in kryta...)

i thank you

i just wanted to make sure i could get in with a group for a rerun but thought too late of course you can because the ones you want to help havent done it yet

i assume since i would be considerably higher level i would syphon off less exp from them

From my BWE experiences this weekend, I wouldn't really say pickup groups are that horrible. In the first few missions, yes they can be, but I think many of those parties are made up of inexperienced players. I hope so too. However, this seems to sort itself out after the first three, four missions or so, since pretty soon you face missions you must team play in to win, and the only players winning are those who team played good enough. Already when I was starting to get to the mountaineous areas in this BWE I was seeing a dramatic difference in how people played. We were laughing and having fun at picking torch carriers, LOL'ed at being smashed by catapult blasts and having exploding barrels dropped by people not knowing what it did and me shouting "run!", and basically every single one of us six party members had a great time. One of them kept saying "oh man, I can't wait for this great game to be released!" and people in our party started discussing which real life school they had been studying in after realizing they were from the same city. It was really an uplifting experience after playing, say, the Northern Wall with people until giving up and just playing with mercenaries.

So this game actually being unusually HARD (to players not teamplaying well it's pretty much gaming hell) for today's games, may actually save it quite well at least. If you compare to e.g. WoW where the "toughness" may come from finding enough hours to play on per day to advance to level 32.

If one is guildless it will of course help a lot to get in contact with a fairly large GW guild/community. A player seeking for guild membership can check in the Guild Auditorium here for good guilds with free spots, and with the guild cap at 100, a whole lot of friendly people can get together for both PvE and PvP.

But yes, with a game with no fees like this, I'm preparing for a similar community in general as the one in Diablo II -- not exactly heaven to role players. However, I kept playing Diablo II for very long as I still enjoyed the game for what it was and what the community I'm member of was. Guild Wars also has the same advantage as Diablo II in that you play PvE in instanced areas. And in PvP I'm not really caring too much for guilds with bad morale. Yes they can be annoying if they win and act arrogant, but the fun of beating some extremely bad losers can make up for it. I remember once that we did that and I could almost hear them throwing their keyboards in the walls; they had taken out their victory and started insulting us in advance and all...

I have to completely disagree with there being problems with the community. Of course this was my first weekend and really first online RPG apart from Diablo 1 and 2.

I saw nearly everybody having a good time, the only negative words were said when people died and were not directed at anyone but rather themselves or monsters .

Everybody seemed to enjoy it. From my limited experience in the gladiators arena even the losers would say gg and not get pissed. Sometimes it's hard to get a group together to quest but it usually doesn't take too long. I suspect a lot of this is because less people are playing during beta and a lot of people are still learning stuff out. Not once did I get abused or bad mouthed. Most of the parties I joined communicated and did well, with some not talking too much.

I guess I've played a lot of FPS games so I am used to extreme abuse so maybe I just didn't spot the minor things but I really saw nothing offensive at all. Mostly just jokes and such.

Negative words? Death?

No no no, death is no biggie. It's like someone taking some candy away from me and then I go beat the crap out of them and getting it back.

Candy being EXP.

I think the most difficult thing for people to do is be humble. If you are a newbie, people fail to
announce what they know or don't know; as a result, they make beginner mistakes that they
didn't have to make. If you are experienced, people often rush ahead to the next goal and
fail to explain why they are doing something. The result of mis-communication creates
a bad atmosphere.

Perhaps the game logic itself can help 'encourage' people to behave?

- docked people xp/loot points if they rush too far ahead
- docked people xp/loot points if they attack a monster when one of
their spell casters were still recharging mana
- docked people loot points if they die and they started the brawl,
if you die it is usually your fault for not planning /w team mates
- seriously docked if during a fight, you attack a monster that isn't
already in the brawl, or moved far enough away from the brawl that
you brought in another attacking group

Thoughts? These should be codeable. The goal is to make the game
extremely un-profitable if you are a lone-wolf in a pack.

It's a bit of a waste of time to wait for every caster to fully recharge, especially when you've still got enough members to take down whatever mob you're charging, and your recharging casters are almost done.
That seems kind of draconian, especially since it's not always the case, and permanent death penalites aren't particularly GW-ish.
Accidents happen. Plus, what if you're trying to lure in enemies for, say, an AoE? Or if your team is just about finished with the old group, and you've got timed enchantments running so you want to take on the next one fairly quickly?

no way

a person that far off will get dumped fast and often

and the more people get experience the fasted the jerks will be dumped

we dont need big brother forcing us to play together in the officially approved manner

It took me 7 tries to complete Gates of Kryta (they made that mission so hard this BWE), as such, I can sympathise with anyone who would only want to try and complete the mission in order to get to LA, rather than risking their lives farming Drakes.

I also use the 'let the undead fight the mantle first' tactic, and it always works for me. Why put a strain on your monk players healing you, while instead you can all focus your attention attacking the undead while they're distracted? (The healer can focus heal the important npc, afterall). Again, I also disagree about not letting minions die before an attack. There's nothing more annoying than being zerged by minions, and unless you have an elementalist on your party raining Firestorm on them, then letting them die out naturally is perhaps the best way in dealing with them.

yeah I notice this stuff too... but you can't blame the game. people are just assholes in general.

I got through Gates Of Kryta with a good group, and then proceeded to play through missions and such until I reached the Wilds ( actually with the same group). I had fun, everyone did their part, no one ran ahead or acted stupid. I leveled up once on it, we got some good loot.

I tried out some of the PvP areas. I have to say that I actually did get replies from people with 'GG' after words, but that was seldom. Mostly I just got "You guys suck, just wait till next time," or "I will never die! **** ***** ****** etc." I'll try not to go back there, thank you very much.

I was having fun, met a few new people. Hooked up with some old friends, and got totally stuck on the Wilds ( is it harder now?).

Then another friend asked me to go back to Gates of Kryta with them. I knew them, and respected them, so I went along. They were the only mature person in the group. The rest of the 'group' ran ahead, the monks never healed, the warriors stayed in the back " I can't risk a high DP you noob."
I wanted to go through the drakes, and they said "nah, its suicide, just some xp, lets go around them and then find some npc's to help us out."

For the first time I wondered about actually using my 'Res' Signet, and when I finally used it, it was only for my friend. I enjoyed the company of my friend, but the rest of the people in the group acted badly. Mostly they were just assholes, indeed.

By the way, Gwen killing people with fire was rather good.

Lews

Oh, and edit, yes I have made mistakes before as well, such as running ahead( never leave auto-run on and then awnser the phone, ha ) but I always appolagized, not just said "wats ur problem ya noob, I am l33t resUr3cT m3 n I wiN."