Why no new races?

maybe he was a dragon man... or maybe just a dragon.. but he was still TRROOGGDOOOR!

Deldrimor versus Stone Summit would make an excellent focus for "Factions" if Dorfies were introduced as playable.

Nationalities, I totally agree with that. It supports my theory of the Human race having sub races within itself.

Major Comment: You guys who want races with different characteristis 10% HP bonus for being half giant or.. 10% faster running speed for being elf. Etc etc.. Its bashing the play style of GW. In GW everyone is given an EQUAL chance, thats why the max level is 20 and relatively easy to obtain, thats why there are PERFECT mods so people can't be running around with godly equipment with stats that'd only appear once in a lifetime. If you start fooling around with the basic balances such as HP and energy, you're going upset the whole system. In GW you're judged by the build you can create with the skills you've obtained, Hence skill of a player is not judged by the amount of hours played. Anyways, if a race had 10% more HP and 5% slower walking speed.. Could you imagine the drawback of going through missions? The slow character WHO should be tanking would be in the back.

The theme of Guild Wars is humans with different professions. So during the entire Guild Wars legacy we'll be playing as humans with different professions. All you're complaining about is what things look like and how they are named. With races, you have specialized character races where each race has something special about it; some sort of bonus that the other races don't. But alas, Guild Wars has the same thing! Each profession has access to types of armors that aren't available to other professions, such as caster armor which gives +2 regen. And each professions has a primary attribute that no other profession can use too efficiently. Instead of spending huge amounts time creating visual aspects to set apart six or so races that each have a few special features, Guild Wars Core has the equivalent of 30 different races; W/R, W/Me, W/Mo, R/Me, R/N, N/E, E/Mo...etc. Each of which have different strengths/weaknesses, and have different options on how they can be played. With the release of factions, and two more variable professions, there will now be 56 different combinations of character types that each have different strengths and weaknesses. All of this without addresses the sub-professions within each professions (i.e. You could choose to play an earth ele, water ele, fire ele, etc. or maybe something totally different) It's very complex.
You see, instead of wasting resources making a game that is cosmetically in-depth, Guild Wars has decided to make a game that is tactically in-depth. A game that just looks nice lasts for a while, but Guild Wars has in-depth tactics options which gives it substance that, in the long run, satisfies more of the players and keeps the fanbase from dwindling over time.

On top of all of this, Guild Wars has no monthly fee. If you have any suggestions on how to make the game better then plz feel free to comment, but plz don't just go around whining like this. Guild Wars is an amazing game that seems to have learned from the mistakes of other similar games and is constantly working to improve itself.
Know this: Guild Wars actually wants ppl to buy their game. If they see an opportunity to make the game more appealing they'll do whatever than can to take it. But sometimes individual requests are just too farfetched or nit-picky to be appealing to a worldwide community. Even if Guild Wars doesn't make the game perfectly customized to you, be happy knowing that Guild Wars is working to make sure that tons of people are always playing the game. How fun would this game be if no one was around and you had to do everything with henchman, eh? Exactly.
Anyway, I don't see why you hate humans so much. Who but the humans were crafty enough to invent beautiful products like velcro and toothpaste? While we were brushing our teeth into a brighter future, the Dwarves were wasting time playing with giant erector sets and the Elves were too busy dancing. Humans are the best!

I don't think new playable races are a good thing, I thought the whole story of Guildwars was supposed to be about the struggle of Humans and their Charr/Dwarven/Mursaat opressors. Which ultimately leads up to the Flameseeker Prophecies and the ascension of the Humans...if you played as another race you'd get pwned by the humans, wouldn't make for a very good game.

I am so inlove with my idea of having to earn the ability to play a race. Matter of fact, I think we should increase the XP needed to to 10 M XP to Earn said race. And limit all accounts to ONE said-race. I think it would show true skill that can't be bought.

Well, given that all primary classes have their own unique model, it's not inconceivable that future classes might be of a different race. After all, monks are practically a different race already. (Wierd bald egg people race

It's dissappointing that dwarves are in the game tho, they should have completely avoided all the traditional tolkien stuff. And one thing that struck me... there are no female dwarves to be seen? How do they reproduce??

Well, there is a homosexuality thing in dwarves that they ge...haha I won't , I was just going to make something up that was just obsecure

Moses. The point is that, inside each primary class, there is virtually no distinction for players using the 'logical' armor for that set. Tell me, how many times have you seen a truly distinctive male Ranger in Droknar's Druid's? The dye options for that set are nil - you wear it, you will look like every single male Drok's Druid's-waering Ranger in the game. Same with Warrior Platemail. As well as the fact that male Warriors aren't allowed to be anything but overweight middle-aged men with bad haircuts.

As far as racial bonuses go, whatever. Was an idea and one that has a chance of working out if it's ever doine, but not critical. But why is it that there is no Proportion selector in Guild Wars? That you simply get to select your height, and ninety-five percent of people are either on the bottom or on the top, and then pick from a bunch of, usually, similar/bad hairstyles and similar/bad hair colors? Only real place where there's suitable options are faces.

You may be just fine running the same skills and phyiscal appearance as all the elite players in Last Pride and such, but perhaps other people want to look a little different, hm? I'm of an average hiehgt between extremes, which already sets me apart, I'm using very unusual dye colorations on a mixture of Droknar's and 15K armor and I needed every bit of that to escape the Clone Wars Trap even as little as I did.

I don't think anyone in here is asking for Anet to put all their efforts behind asthetics, but asthetics are quite necessary in a game you're expected to play for years on end. I absolutely refuse to create a male Warr because staring at all that fugly for six, seven plus months while I work with the guy would be more than I can handle. All I ask is that there be a few choices in the way you look beyond what Anet's done already. Dye is good, dye is great, more games need Guild Wars' dye system, but when every single stinkin' dye subject is the same dude, it can only go so far. Even if it's just a 'Body Style' selector where you choose between three or four sets of proportions. It would differentiate things and make the game more interesting to play.

Provided all users in question spent the time to unlock/acquire the skills and equipment and runes and mods necessary to be competitive, which will take a considerable # of hours up front. Past that sure.

Although it's not likely they'll change up the core body models, they are taking care of asthetics. I know the feeling of getting bored in my old armor, and the developers know that many ppl feel this way. That's why first off they have 15k armor, and then, now, they are creating even more armor in the addition of Factions. I'm also quite sure they're adding the ability to change your hairstyle whenever you want, and they've even mentioned interest in non-armor town clothes. Also, you won't become as bored with new armor or old anyway during the start of factions because you'll probably be too busy looking at all the scenery for the first time. And anyway, if you don't like a particular character model, don't play it. I agree that almost every single male warrior looks ridiculous and ugly. So far I've only seen one male warrior ever that I thought looked tew leet. But this is why I don't play a male warrior. If you experiment enough you should be able to find unique dye colors to make your character really stand out. I've found some great dye colors for the extremely popular glads 15k that make it look like no one elses I've ever seen. And I also have some great color combos for my other chars armor. There are options out there.

Oh, thank RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing christ, I'm not alone.

OMG seriously? Do you have a link or anything i can check out?

I was under the impression that Anet had considered other races (as aesthetic) but not until, at the very soonest, after Factions... it was a while ago so I've completely lost the thread where I read that, but it always stuck out in my mind.

[QUOTE=fiery]This has been answered, Guild Wars is realistic to its not fantasy. Not a fantasy game. [QUOTE]

and you call pumkin heads and raindeer horns realistic???
gimme a break!

[QUOTE=Alcazanar][QUOTE=fiery]This has been answered, Guild Wars is realistic to its not fantasy. Not a fantasy game. No, actually, people do wear pumpkin heads and there are raindeers with horns (antlers) that live in Russia.

No, no, no. Who seriously wants this to become another SWG where only the "uber1337" players were force sensitive? There are simply so many reasons why this would not work.

I like the class based system. I like that this is the one of the only fantasy games that makes you play humans. I LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS.

I could live with different races as asthetics, if they stay well away from the "traditional" fantasy races. Anything more than that and I will not buy the expansion that makes it so.

I think it's kinda cool how the game is based on the human race. Part of why I like it so much.

Well, we all know that humans pretty much pwn everything. I mean, look at our history. Even look at GW so far! Pwn Charr. Pwn Stone Summit. Pwn Mursaat. Pwn Titans. Throw in some non-essential pwning of Gargoyles, Centaurs, etc on the way...

The ONE thing I could stomach would be for dwarves to be a playable race. They're in the game already as NPCs, and they're fairly close to humans, culturally and biologically and such. The Deldrimor Dwarves fit in pretty naturally as allies of Ascalon et al, so I could stand them being playable. Nothing past that, though.

dwarves I'd be down with [deldrimor style], anything beyond that and I let my account collect dust forever.

Can I have it then, Juice?

Seriously though. Human or not, Anet...NEW CHARACTER MODELS. Male Warrs are fugly and every single male Ranger in existence shops at the same tailor, Monks need a night in Fashion Prison, and just...FIX, huh?

I agree on the factions races thing. I think that each part of GW (prophecies and Factions) should have at least 2 beast races. For prophecies, Wolven and Feline races. For Factions, Kitsune (it is asian themed, and i see a couple of kitsune based skills (fox fangs and nine-tail strike) for assassins, so why not?) and Tengu should be playable (i'm also for the purely cosmetic part). I mean i'm sure our guild (specifically furry oriented) would love to see new beast races. Perhaps there could be special armor designs with beast races in mind (nothing better or worse than human armor, simply shanging some of the armor design to fit beasts, particularly boots). for instance, wolven and feline races could have footshields in place of boot, allowing their feet to be free, but still protected. Tengu already have a sort of foot armor, and kitsune (basing them on Magic The Gathering's race) woould be specially suited to sandal type footwear (so monks would be unchanged, warriors would be roman styled sandals, rangers something similar, eles, mesmers and necros would have some sort of foot wrappings or sandals, ritualists would be alright and assassins could have ninja sandals (basically open toed assassin boots). but enough about sandals it would be nice to see beast races, even if it's just the character model. Look at Halo 2 (off topic, i know, but still somewhat on topic). They introduced the Elite as a playable character, and there's nothing much different apart from character model (and the occasional requirement for elites for certain glitches). So yeah, i like the idea of new character models. adds some variety to a fantasy game ^.^

Anet probably has something prepared for the next chapters, maybe.

Whoa, you resurrected the thread, kudos to you!

But yes, with the release of factions I am disappointed that there is no new race....

especially on the part of tengu! >.O

COME ON ANET! IF YOUR GOING TO MAKE A TENGU NPC PLAYABLE THEN MAKE THEM AS PLAYABLE RACES! THIS IS JUST TEASING US AND YOU KNOW IT!

Heck they even said themselves they were looking up on new races for future chapters FAR before the release or even announcement of factions.

You better pick up the ball for chapter 3 ANET -.- i'm watching you and I have people in high places... meaning they are stoned because they are losers... but still... watch your back.

Surprised no one's mentioned tengu. (Edit: Too late! )

You could have small differences, possibly. Say, one race gets a bit of extra energy built in, one race gets some extra armor, something like that, if you wanted to make it different. Like say Tengu could get an extra 5/10 armor on top of whatever they're wearing, as a 'racial bonus'. And if you want to keep humans the same, subtract something else from tengu - like -5 energy or something. I dunno.

Because there is no need for them.

Furries Fail. Nuff Said.

I agree Anet completely screwed up. They should have included Orcs with lightsabers! Everyone likes orcs, and everyone likes starwars. Where are the orcs with lightsabers?! Who cares about two stupid new proffesions. I'm totally switching to WoW. Atleast they know what gamers like. Orcs with lightsabers FTW!

There is a new playable race, Canthan.

Awful idea, that just leads to min/maxing with races.

First off, ty for the kudos ^.^ i was just looking up beast races and found this thread, so i decided to post. secondly, Again i agree with the tengu thing ^.^ Our guild leader, even though he;s a fox (as is most of our furry guild ^.^), is very fond of avian anthros ^.^

GTFO. sorry if i'm rude to you but we should all have a chance. so just GTFO.

It wouldn't surprise me if anet introduced new races but at a required a cost. Kinda like being able to pay 10 bucks for two new character slots. The races would be the humanoid ones in the game like the charr, dwarves or tengu. I fail to see any valid negetive reasons as to why this can't happen. It would give the game more diversity and that can only be a good thing. More diversity means the game would be more appeasing to individual players. As it looks right now the different races only seem to be different player skins. The enemies in the game follow the same classes and use the same skills as the human players with the exception of a small few. Those few being non humanoid. There is also the monster skill some enemies and even ally npcs seem to have but that wouldn't carry over and can stay where it is. So in short the addition of new races would merely be a different skin. A tengu warrior instead of a human warrior. You have all the same skills and would wield the same weapons and offhands and would even wear armor that would have the same armor rating. It would only look different.

Not neccarly races but, mantids?

I think dwarves and elves would be a nice option.

I also would like to see an expansion for tyria, those areas that arent explored would be awesome to play the char side. It would also make PVP have another element to it.

But special stats for different races could mess up the balance. Just make it the same AL and such, just different skins for the armor.

I like the game better with only humans as playable characters.

... Who brings Rez sig on this thread?

Like I said in another thread like this one, and agree with Rollntider, NO STATS! JUST SKINS! I had already giving an example in another thread with dwarf and stats and I will say it again.

First off: Stats racial bonus = umbalanced char and pression on the player.
Take the example on Dwarve with Hammer +1 for Racial bonus. Players will feel much obliged to play with a hammer if they take Dwarve and not else. Its just nonsense to keep the game balanced. Same thing if we take Elve with Marksmanship bonus. I prefer my little Tyrian Ranger. So, no stats please! I dont want to see a +17 Hammer Mastery Race or +17 Marksmanship!

Secondly: Hammer is good in PvP. Hammer = Dwarve. I dont need to tell more.

They're already put Cathan/Tyrian Race selection, which its a good way to put more races later. Tengu can be the other choice since the peace with them (except those who live in snow Area) or maybe the humans/humanoids of Chapter 3.

In other words, wait and see. I dont really care if its Anthro, Humans, Hybrid, Undead, etc. for another race.... just..... no stats.....

Actualy I remember the first teaser of guild wars ever in a magazine had an elf woman castor in it.

Before it's release they stated that they only had human in this (prophecies) chapter, but future chapters would see new races.

Hopefully it is still in the works, I am with the OP....every one being human is YAWN YAWN YAWN BOREING...

Personally I think they did as much as they could with the time they had..and new races were not high enough on the hit list.....

Still hope to see them in the future chapters

why do people keep asking anet to charge us 10 bucks here and 10 bucks there? go play a MMORPG that charges monthly. Why not Anet just realese the things we want in those expansions we are already paying for? That makes more sence.
Why not make an expansion and call it Guild Wars: Tyrian Charr invasion. It would allow you to play the char side of Tyria. Those empty spaces in the map would be char territory. Your choices could be Charr/Grawl/Those nasty Mountain dwarves/ and Tengu (since you do fight a fair share of tengu). It would add another thing of storage (for only the species characters) You can also play as a dwarf for the Human side. No trade could be between the new bad side except at a neutral city market where trade occured at an auction house / market area where both sides visted.

Uhh... lies....

It may not meet the CLASSIC MMO critque, but with nearly 2.5 million players at this point.... its massive, its multiplayer, and last time I checked, its online. And with 16 man missions now, it is starting to fit up with WoW in some regards. Sure, it lacks the everyone on the same map bit, but hell.. uhh.. Jeff Strain was one the inventors of WoW, and wanted his unique MMO to play more like his MASTERPIECE Diablo2. So you can take that idea of everyone on the same map and respawning monsters, and shove it where the sun don't shine, kthxbai.

And Jeff Strain should just go back to Blizzard and work on the WoW expansion right? Holy mother of God... its World of Warguilds, Charr Blood Wars.... NO.

So you could not come up with an intelligent thought to counter my idea so you decided to spout some incoherent psycobabel?

Its a forum to discuss ideas, if you have a valid reason why you don't like the idea, give the reason why you dont like it. Instead of spouting off crap. If you feel this isnt a place to discuss ideas then one of us is in the wrong place. Would you care to tell me where such a place is to discuss guildwars past present and future?

thank you

Humans are the only Chosen ones - Thus you can only play as Humans.

in GW lore all creatures were given the gift spells

still, it would expand on the game for different points of view, like how the tengu somewhat disdain humans and how the kitsune help humans (again referring to Magic The Gathering kitsune). In fact, there could be a whole new two sided war between the two races for another canthan (or possibly a brand new region?) expansion, making for three playable races in the set: Kitsune, Tengu and Humans (who must pick a side between the two).