Why do people think Wars are noobs?!

Thank you

[QUOTE=Thom]Quick double post:
15k Plate armor shouts "I'm a PvEer". It isn't very good armor. You can get a set of pvp ready armor for less than one piece of 15k. You want the anti hex helm (with you if not on you), glad everything, knights boots, stoneskin gloves. That is the pvp standard...gives you the most strategic benefits. I also don't know if you have all the proper runes since it is more likely for a pvp character to have all the necessary sups (3 in the case of a warrior). Ditto which the proper weapon, rare does not mean useful.

I do have the anti-hex helm and the others i can easily get but if im just looking for a quick match as i was b4 when the mesmer left quickly i didnt really feel the need for using this as i was in random arena.
Thank you though for advice

and i already have all the runes

Most Warrior's just don't listen plain and simple. I was doing Abaddons Mouth on my Ranger and at the very begining there is a seal with Mursaat behind it. We make sure to let our two Warriors know that as soon as the seal breaks, GET BACK. As you can imagine, we lost about 3 minutes into the mission, because the Warriors didn't use their brains.

1 Mursaat Group = Okay
2 Mursaat Group and Jades = Bad

For some reason I believe that Warriors have natural agro and just have to attack EVERYTHING they see.

i've had the same aggro problems with warriors too, until i met this r/mo who was even worse. he ended up aggroing the ENTIRE stone summit mob on the way to borlis pass because he thought the party was going too slow. after he dies (and logs off), the mob promptly turned around and killed the warrior (we were out of position as we sit there and gap at the r/mo's stupidity), and i had already used my rez signet once before on the ranger.

in other words: impatient players (regarding class combo) are newbies (that's right people, it's NEWBIES, not NOOBS).

Yes, they do and those r the ones that give the rest of us wars a bad name

This is something that always bothers me,especially on the forums. I see so many people make comments about people and their "cookie-cutter" ways, most often in regards to builds. but what is the difference here?

I don't see any difference here, giving a list of "what to wears" than running into PVP with a build you rip off the net. I see this too often and honestly, I don't see why people make an assumption that others can't play well with something different than what they do.

For example, 98% of high-level PVE rangers play with some basis of Druids armor. Sure the energy bonus is great, and personally, I would love to see energy bonuses on other types of armor than Druids. I choose NOT to use it, and suffer 7 less energy than someone who does. But I utilize my range and skill to counter that loss...for instance employing zealous weapons, or immediately evening a PVP playing field by using debilitating shot on my opponent.

I don't assume that because someone chooses to use weapons, armor, skills, whatever, outside of the box, they are inferior. I let their playing answer to any initial doubts I may have. Personally, I would be pleased to see some new blood infused into both the PVE and PVP communities. I wouldn't know what to do if I saw a PVP monk that didn't spam Guardian and Reversal of Fortune. Same old same old gets boring.

Just got done with the Bloodtsone Fen mission.

A guildie and I have spent the good majority of today clearing every mission, starting from Ruins of Surmia. We did it alone (just the two of us), occasionally picking up a henchie when we deemed it wise.

We figured, "Hey, let's make a human party this time and have some fun." It's all going well until the Randoms start begging for a Tank. We pick one up, and enter the mission.

Damn idiot gets killed every five minutes. Then he has the nerve to call us "tards" because we make a wrong turn. He's dead at this point, and we all pretty much tell him to leave if he's so unhappy. But no, he gets smartmouthed and "I'm so badass". Talks big about how we can't do it without him.

Yeah, he died. Again, and again, and again.

And as it turns out? We would have completed the mission in half the time without him.

Warriors as a group get labeled as "noobs" because of people like that guy. I personally have a Warrior/Monk that I have decided to keep in Pre-searing for a while, simply because I do occasionally like to tank my way into a few Charr. If anyone calls me a noob, I brush it off and keep on walking. Not worth my time to try and explain things.

My little theory..

There are alot of bad players - everyone experiences it with pickup groups. But since its a wars job (most of the time) to pull and call - they are more likely to be noticed for screwing up. Consider that and the fact that war is the most played characeter then warriors are more likely to get noticed as and called noobs.

15k means you have some pve experience in farming money, and the turns irrelevent the moment you step foot into a pvp arena
it has no indication of how good you are in pvp but actually the opposite as now you will be stereotyped by the flood of pve players who come into pvp as if its a beauty contest instead of making a good build
even if you had fullout fow armor and a fellblade no pro pvper is thinking, "Wow this guy must be awesome"

The really funny warriors are the ones that charge head first in a mission, get killed, then quit immediately.

You can usually tell an experienced warrior from a rookie by how they initiate combat. If they do proper agro-bubble management and pull with a longbow, then you probably have a seasoned vet. If that person thinks he's Conan the Invincible and just charges in, then you know it'll be a long walk back...

i completely agree. noob is supposed to mean someone new to the game. also the sad truth is, there really are a bunhc of ten year olds running around in this game. Anyway i love my warrior and i say that all the proffessions can be "noobish"

Warriors are generally the only class that don't necessarily learn the big teamwork lesson. Obviously, there are tons of good warriors out there. But the ones that started with the "I can solo anything" attitude never seem to lose it.

Scenario: your group of six or eight people enter an instance. One player is taking a while to come online. Who is it that rushes ahead, and tells everyone that the other player can catch up?

I swear, I must not have the full version of GW, because even when I play my warrior, I still don't hear the starter gun that these guys seem to hear at the beginning of every instance. I need to upgrade...

Now, every player in that party could suck in their own pretty substantial way. But in the heat of battle, alot of that stuff goes by unnoticed*. What everyone remembers at the end of the mission is how those warriors took off for dear life the moment they zoned in. That's probably why most players give warriors dirty looks.

*The monk of course, notices that the fire ele is tanking, but that's another thread.

Incorrect. A "newb" is a new player. A "noob" is any or all of the following: idiot, scammer, jerk, moron, braggart, or anything else along those same lines...

The terms have somehow become tangled... Just thought I would point this out.

Yes, we are all "newbs" at one point in time. Today is only Day 25 of Guild Wars for me, so technically I am still a newbie, though I have caught on much quicker than most I have yet seen and/or heard of (hardcore PvE players are good at catching on quick).

As I have said before, Warrior isn't a noob or newb profession choice, even though some noobs and newbs may choose it.

It has become fissure if you have no rank and 15k if you're R6+ and using a pve.

And still, no rank and fissure usually means ebayer anyway.

Certain builds are cookie cutter for a reason. People pull this stuff from top guilds and players that have optimized what they do and win as a result. People keep running IWAY because it remains reasonably successful. Every ranger wears druids because most every rangers needs energy more than they need 10 more armor. Top teams run "boring" cookie cutter stuff, not because they are stupid but because the build is actually best at what it tries to accomplish.

I run a ton of creative builds in random arenas with mixed success. If someone is trying out something new, I'll run a unique build they give me as best I can. That said, if I am building a pug team or finding an 8th or a guild group, I would rather have a cookie cutter build for the following reasons:

1)Player has some vague familiarity with the meta-game. If someone knows to run a gale warrior with the "right" skills, maybe they will also know how it works.
2)I know what to expect from a cookie cutter and I can give specific directions.
3)75% of experimenting is just bad. I know, I've done it. In testing, I drew up some of the most off the wall builds. Some resulted in nerfs, most resulted in us losing. Cookie cutters are proven.
4)Following a winning trend means you are more likely to take advise and follow directions in game. If I'm running a team, I don't need people with independent and creative strategies to emerge once inside. If you feel that Wamo with plate is a winning PvP build, you may also think that hitting a monk when a mez was called is a good strategy.

If you think you can come up with something better than a standard booner or gale warrior, I'd love for you to make that case. Sometimes I put together a build simply because it bucks a trend and takes advangtage of peoples assumptions. Most of the time, one needs players to fill standard defined rolls which have been well established in the meta-game. Most personalized improvements come with a single skill or a unique weapon, not something totally unrecognizable.

My armor list was pretty standard for a gale or hammer warrior. I can't think of a situation where you'd want to go to plate armor in PvP. It makes no sense to choose an inferior armor, no matter how good your skills are. Any most any build you think up without druids or Glads would be better simply by adding those armor types. If you are on a mission to be different, get weird dyes...don't go out of the way to nerf yourself.

I know how you feel. My primary char is a necro/monk. I don't use monk for anything other then rebirth other then that my skill bar is all curses and ss/ Yet when I try to join pugs I am told I am a "noob" because I am not a necro/mes "you can't be a good ss necro unless you can echo it." It bothers me sometimes but yet I know I do a good job with my character and when the group gets in trouble I have rebirth to help...can't say how many times I have helped save a team like this. I know I do good becuase I have several monk friends asking me to go with them to do uw as ss/55 team. Just sucks that I can't get in pugs becuase I am not a "true" ss necro.

I know you said usually but thats not always the case. Like me I am farming and working hard to get my fissure piece by piece slowly but surely...however I do not like to pvp so I will have fissure and no rank..but I an not an ebayer...just sucks I am going to be put in this class by default because I hate pvp.

For PVP I REPEAT I DO NOT use a w/mo i use a W/R almost all the time only use w/mo for pve sometimes

My primary warrior is a W/R and she doesn't use melee weapons at all.

I just use the warrior's armor and its speed skills.

Its just mindless stereo-types. Like:

All a-rabs have bombs strapped to em.

All black people LOVE fried chicken.

Chinese restraunts never take out garbage.

Its just stereotypes . . . GET OVER IT!

Thats why they created this thread.