Why do people think Wars are noobs?!

I will have to agree with Thom when it comes down to armor although someone from Lum wore Plate and when it comes to W/Mo there was one on the Last Pride although all these were PvE toons.my Warrior wears 1.5 knights chest with the rest being galdiators.

Did I.Q's drop suddenly while i was away? U will commonly find the vast majority of players spamming the word noob at any1 who shows any sign that they havent done somthing b4 are actually the noob themselves.

I play a lot of different online games and it seems to me that the word nOOb has lost its meaning. It is a common misconseption that noob means som1 who is new to a game. It is very possable for a new player to be a noob by thinking that they are better than they actually are, being offended by simple advice and generaly being a prick but this doesn't mean every1 new is a noob. thay have a word for this its newb not noob.

I have seen a player get called a noob for asking what FoW was, this annoys me because by definition that guy was not a noob, as no noob would ask or feel they need advice or information on anything because they think they are great.

I know a lot of u out there reading this are guilty of calling ppl noobs. Think about it next time you may think u sound great insulting som1 less experanced than yourself but to any experanced gamer u are making yourself look like a fool.

Don't even get me started on the comment "All W/Mo's are noobs" because it clearly came from the mouth of som1 who didnt have a clue what they were talking about.

Every class has ways that it shows its skill. Warriors methods are often not understood by other players (the long bow aggro method is a good example, assuming they do it to break up mobs not just to draw enemies to them). One problem with the warrior class is that many players in this class see their role as creating big damage (true for Pvp) and it is the monks job for defense. I would suggest that in Pve at a high skill level this is not the case. A good warrior who controls aggro IS defense. I meet a lot of warriors who don't understand this , however, I also meet a lot of players who do. I can always tell a good PvE warrior when they use terrain. If you come at a mob where the angle you aggro from restricts their movement you can hold that aggro forever. I friend every warrior I see do this and I have a decent friends list.

On a further note, the best Warriors are not cookie cutter. The best warriors I know for Pve use skull crack (2 different guys). Crazy huh? Why would anyone in the know use such a useless skill? Because they can time when the enemy will use their casts before it begins. They know the AI so well they can preemptively hit it and land it on a one second cast without fail. BTW, does it on W/mo.....

(Most of my post is about PvE, don't reply with a quip about PvP)

Everey game has this sortof problem with Warriors (or most). And it's simply, when you're new to the game it's much simply and less confusing to pick a class with high defense and decent damage without coming up with complex spell combinations or worrying about energy managment.

So you see a bit more Warriors, because they're more of a starter character since in the beginging of the game there's more room for error when playing a Warrior. And just the word Warrior is universally known from movies, other games, books as being the big Heavy hitters that cut through enemies, although in a game like Guild Wars evereything i set-up to be balanced.

The simple answer is: most warriors are newbs, or they were. Or at least they were. More people choose warrior for their first character than any other class due to its improved armor. More armor means less damage, which makes the warrior more forgiving when you make a mistake. That includes me.

I picked up 2 other classes before I finally gravitated to the warrior/monk in my early days. Of my three first characters, my warrior was the second to beat the game, and the most reliable when I grouped with my guild. With time and practice, I've become a rather good Warrior, imho, able to control agro without pulling the world ontop of my teams heads, and prevent damage to myself and my team while remaining a formidable damage dealer to the opposition.

"Easy to use, hard to Master" is the creedo I see most long standing Warriors use when they discribe the class. The added armor makes warriors appealing to newb and noob alike. Some people will look beyond that shell of metal and grow, become stance tanks, build makers, farmers and strong PvPers. Others will huddle inside, like the noobs they are, and remain content in mediocrity even at the expense of their team.

The biggest problem I have as being a W/Mo is getting into a group. By the time there is a group 'availible', it usually has at least 2 warriors in it, and I usually either get rejected straight away, or let into a group only for someone to say "Only need 2 Warriors. Kick The Lazzmeister pls".

The second a war casts mending on themself in pvp, you can classify them as a noob :P

Even before you start you can tell if they are a noob if they wear full knight :P

Amen, Brother, Amen!

So true. Crucially i beleive there is a difference in newbies, who know no better, and n00bs, who lack skill and the logic to see that certain warrior builds *cough* paladin *cough* are just tripe.

Currently no class can take as much damage or deal as much damage as a warrior. Those that see them only as tanks to absorb damage are missing something very crucial. They, given the right build, will do the most damage. This seems unbalanced until you consider how much anti-warrior there is out there. Most of it is not physical damage, typically degeneration or designed to simply shut a warriors damage potential down. These are things that Wammos cannot counter, so really wammos are attempting to counter the wrong thing with paladin builds. Warriors never had a problem with physical damage (assuming you took gladiator armour, which of course they did....didnt they?)

Of course warriors try to big up there proffesion by likening it to golf. takes seconds to know how to play, a lifetime to master. To an extent this is somewhat true, but it is true for all proffesions, many of which are actually harder to even get into a position to play at all. I took a ranger as my first character, and am i pleased i didnt choose warrior. To an extent the massive surplus of wammos in PvE especially is due to ppl wanting to run and farm, but mainly it is becuase Warriors are always associated with a Monk secondary. People beleive that Wammos are the best build, and so ppl always use them. As a result the PvP world suffers greatly.

The only use for wammos in PvP? Well, if your a monk it tellls you who not to bother healing, and as every1 else it tells you who to blame the loss on.

There's a difference between a newb and a noob, the person who uses mending in pvp might just be trying the premade paladin build.

I think this may be due to two conditions:

1. Most Warriors may not really know what warriors can/can't do. I'm a W/E, and I've been playing since Nov. I think I'm pretty good, but that doesn't stop me from trying to make my warrior better. I don't make changes to my armor or weapons for the sake of making changes (i.e., getting 15k armor when it doesn't give me any more protection than the armor at Droknar's. Not that there's ANYTHING wrong with 15k armor, but that's just me). I try to have as thorough an understanding about what skills are available, not only to my primary profession, but to my secondary profession as well. And I will still ask about current builds, and if they work well in certain areas of the game. As Clint Eastwood as said, "A man's GOT to know his limitations". That applies to all professions, but especially warriors, since in most cases, we lead the charge.

2. I can say this because my primary profession IS a warrior: you know, we don't ALWAYS HAVE TO RUSH INTO A FIGHT!!!! maybe that's a warrior's error; we know we're gonna lead the charge, but that doesn't mean we can't think about it first. I learned that sitting back, and thinking about HOW THE GROUP is going to fight, usually means that THE GROUP will come out victorious. It doesnt matter to me if the final monster dies from my sword hit, or a meteor shower, or a hex, so long as THE GROUP comes out alive, and the mission/quest is accomplished. I've been in so many groups where I see another warrior who can't WAIT to rush in and start fighting, even though half the group may not be ready to fight. It's like the word, "Tactics", doesn't exist. We have to remember, the object isn't about how many monsters your warrior can kill, it's about COMPLETING THE MISSION!!

Now, warriors aren't the only profession known to dive in headfirst into a fight without thinking. I've been part of groups where, for some reason, MONKS think they're going to lead the charge into a battle (needless to say, I love watching that gung-ho type die within seconds, so I can then ask, "So--what was the plan again?") It could possibly be that everyone doesnt have an appreciation for what the other people in a group can bring to the party. It's why I'll take a chance on PUGs, as long as everyone respects the other guy.
I know this: unless you're level 20 doing those first few missions in Old Ascalon, you're gonna need other people to be successful doing things in this game (I'd like someone to tell me they did LDD, or Titan Source, with just henches; quite frankly, I don't think I'd believe you). You'll need monks, you'll need Elementals, and, yes, you'll need warriors....

For the other professions--don't rag on warriors so hard. I havent seen too many perfect nukes, rangers, or monks in this game that they can slam any other profession as being completely full of "noobs". When I do, I'll let you know....

People say that warriors just rush in and agro everthing. Well we dont its just that the warrior is in the middle of the battle. We are the only melee based characters everyone else has ranged weapons ( I know I know u can weild an axe or a sword too but that is rarely seen and in my opinion pointless). Back on topic, We are in the middle with numerous attackers on us trying to sponge the dmg attack and keep ourselves alive. The enemy doesnt stand still and occasionally jumps in the fight as well. This is not our fault and I rarely see a ping from another player when it is about to happen so dont say warriors are mindless agro machines. Secondly monks are not higher that everyone else. What the heck was the deal with that whole monk strike crap anyways. I have been tanking in fow when there were 3 monks and no one brought spell breaker, (what were they thinking?) after I asked someone to bring too. I have also had it when the monk refused to put it on me saying sb sucked. Finally if you are a monk in fow dont put enchantments on a tank b4 he goes to agro the ether breakers and remember to take them off and dont refuse why we ask to have them taken off then laugh cus they shatter them all and we die instantly. Tanks if you are in fow with jerk monks take the book and drop it next to all the scales and hydras then leave. (I dont condone quitting but there is a line)


Final point why do warrior weapon dmg do so little i mean come on a sword doing the same max as a staff?????????????????

Mending is a good skill, I know it's over used, but it's still a good skill. w/mo using mending in 4v4 random arena actually works a good 9 times out of 10 because people don't bother with stripping enchantments. Organized PvP is another story.

It's not the skills that suck, but some of the people that use them.

No, seriously... argh... must not turn into mending bashing thread....

W/ any secondary is pretty much acceptable since their are pretty good options in each - secondary monk is being used quite commonly now for CoP...

People think wars are noobs because a significant amount of them are, there

Warriors for some reason are a very common class. A lot of people pick them from the outset and there are A LOT of them. There are also noob monks but there aren't as many. W/ so many warriors, how can there not be some noobish warriors? It is just impossible to seperate yourself from looking like the noob warrior because there are so many and people may have had a bad experience w/ one of them. But who cares what other people think? I mean, you heard that from a Mesmer. That is noobiness in itself.

Lol, jk to people who took offense, but I tend to get a lot of crappy@$$ Mesmers in RA. Do I call all Mesmers noobs because of a few bad experiences? No.

The other day in ascalon (post) I heard a wammo advertising:
wammo: Run to Ember Light Camp! 100k! Get there in 10 minutes or it's free!
so I decided to message him:
me: How is that possible?
wammo:I have mending
me:...

I never had this problem, even when I was a noob warrior. I see 2 reasons for this:

Prob. because I picked /R instead of /Mo

I acutally looked at skills and strategies for my own, instead of trying to copy builds without understanding them.

Never had any problems finding groups or with derogatory comments. Maybe I was just lucky, though.

Alot of people consider warriors "noobs" because when someone buys GW, and installs it, they feel like checking out PvP real quick. So they go to the Pre-made template screen, and search through the builds.

Paladin- W/Mo "the hero's hero" (<-- who doesnt want to be this when they get a brand new game?) "healing from one hand and doing damage from another" (yeah, but doesnt mention it can only get 2 heals off every 3 minutes)

So really, its almost ANet's fault people so often look at warriors the way they do.

Exactly. So many people are so insecure with their appearance in a freaking video game that they act all tought and "im the expirienced GW player and mending is teh suckzors!"

Maybe if you actually took some time to do RA you'd see that mending is often a powerful skill. Or are you all to scared of being called "noob" because you dont hang out with the "big boys" in heroes ascent?

Actually, I've done LDD with a W/R solo. Check out Striderkaaru's Building a Better Warrior series.

Either way, casting mending on yourself is uttery stupidity.

I think that warriors are treated like noobs. We don't have a chance of getting to win Tomb of the Primeval Kings.... because we can't even get a team that wants us! All they want are B/P rangers and Spikers. This is unfair....

People hate warriors cuz their jelous of their power

Mister warrior, you are not invulnerable. You are healed/protected by someone on the back. Do not rush, or you'll find out the hard way

I think I found out that I play a much different wammo than everyone else. Most people use wammos or warriors in general with loads of attacks and no healing, or if any, the Heal Sig. Not for me, half of my skillbar is just to help me keep going to form a 1 man tank. And it works fine for me. Sure I die sometimes but so do all builds =/

uhh, just now on RA:

*wammo rushes in*
*wammo dies in 0.66 seconds*
wammo: idiot monk (me)
*wammo rage quits*

yeah power....

I dont think all wars are stupid....

I think wars that hit me in pvp are stupid.
I think wars that stand infront of me to take hits are enlightened and wise beyond their years....

In all seriousness tho, ive tried the warrior. For about 10 minutes. Having played a ranger since i started, i found the whole run into mobs and taking hits thing pretty crazy. Sure you could kill faster, but noo, have to say, i didnt like the play style.
Ive got great respect for GOOD warriors who can play the class well. The rest.... well every class gets them wouldnt worry bout it tbh.

RA Warriors are worst. I'm a good wammo though =p and usually most with PvE armor are good too. I once saw a FoW Wammo use the Paladin build, I hope to god he did it as a joke.

One time our team got wiped out by a Paladin noob with full knights armor. This of course was cuz its 3v4 cuz our necro sacced himself and laughed and left, our monk was using healing prayers, and to make that worse he didnt even use boon... omg the horror....

This goes to show even after nerfing the pre made padalin build all you need is skill to win RA.

I have respect for a good war, and don't think all War's especially Wa/Mo are stupid.

It's just w/ random pugs 1/2 to 2/3 of the parties I've done in a day have War's that really don't know how to play smart (or ANY strategy other then I'm invincible.. then monsters show them otherwise). With that high of ratio, it's hard to not have a black eye due to someone else

As an ele I didn't notice as much, as a Mo..... arrrgh.

This is testament either to your teamates' prowess or your opponents' idiocy, not your l33t skills.

im more inclined to the second option: opponents' idiocy
lol look at his name, 'Elite Iway Wairor'

let me tell you somthing about the little thing i like to call the... chain of asses

have you ever looked at a ranger and said... damn that ranger isnt doin his job..NO!!! cause no one.. and i mean NO ONE knows or is supposed to know what a ranger does at anytime.. cause they are all about the sneak attack. and they got pets.. if you try even lookin at a ranger.. they send good old spanky the pet to rip you a new one...

and mesmers.. damn those are some crazy weird folks right there.. i mean have you ever met a mesmer that talked??? i havent.. and what exactly are they hiding behind the mask???

Monks are also kinda crazy due to the fact that they are so used to healing for 55 health and sniffin down ejactoplasm that they flip anytime a warrior gets below 50% health and they end up throwing all there mana at one dude.. then pinging to the poor bunny "my energy is 0 of 40...

Necromancers(aka energizer bunny)...... a necro mancer is alot like a pet plant... they do nothing then all of the sudden they keep doin nothing....

elementalists are to busy playing with big balls of fire to notice that a HUGE group of baddies are sending about 100 pissed of mo fo's there way... have you ever seen an ele pay attention? i havent..

And finnally we come to the warrior... ahh yes my favorite.. you ask them if they are set for stance tanking and they flash a tiger at ya... you ask them if they have any self heal and they flash a tiger at ya... you ask them why they aggro everything on the map and they flash a tiger at ya.. and you have no time to ask them why they are dead on the ground 500 feet ahead cause they are to busy pinging the map to show you where the dead corpse of "mr badass tiger flashing" man is.. and saying REZ NOW REZ NOW REZ NOW...

so in the end we are stuck with a buncha crazy people that love to do things there own way...

^ that was all a joke..

the truth is that the warrior usually gets the most flack due to the fact that they are the ones that take the most aggro.. in all honesty its not difficult for a seasond warrior to manage aggro and to tank.. but if a new or newish warrior has to try handle aggro while at the same time managing a self heal and listing to commands from teamates. then doin the more precise damage on healers and such. it gets a lil overwhelming...

and they are also the most used class of character.. due to the pick up and play feel they have..

Although i do belive monks take the most flak due to the fact that people dont like dying.

I classify n00bs like this...its rather simple.

For a Warrior, one who arrgos everything or dies super fast. And when dead requests a rez right away whiel everyone is fighting off the creatures he/she arrgo'd.

For Elementilist, one who thinks they are tanks and goes to the fornt lines with the Warriors. I see tons of these. They die rather fast and demand for a rez.

For Monks, one who goes into a PUG as a 55 or worse doesn't heal and claims they are a Smiter. The whole party dies cause of these. I heard theres tons of them out there. BEWARE!!

Necro's, Rangers, and Mesmers i rarely run into n00bs of those. But if i do they think their Rambo and run to the head of the pack. And demand a rez when they die.