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I didnt read the talk in any great detail, but I did note that the ladder will be reset on March 7th, leading way for a new championship and balance changes will be made in the upcoming week, and that the frog is strongly in favor of removing fame gained through IWAY!
This last fact greatly excites me though I think the odds of it happening are close to nil since it would enrage those who farmed their fame through IWAY and it would be technically hard to achieve.
New Frog Talk (and some very useful info!)
MadOnion
MMSDome
well since im terribly lazy to read, i heard something about lieutenants helm. Did the frog say what was gonna happen? And it made me mad when frog never answered my question on new dye colors without having to mix 
kvndoom
Nice! So we can surmise that:
IWAY will somehow be changed, most likely to not work with pets.
Lt. Helm, maybe. That answer didn't seem concrete.
Gale, possibly not.
Seems like there will be more buffs than nerfs, in a hope to promote versatility, something we greatly need.
Idiots using Elites and high-level armor / items in low-level arenas is coming to an end somehow. Is Forge running going to end? Or will you have to check your n00b-pwnerz gear at the door?
More storage is coming! Yay! (though probably not till Factions)
All told, I'm excited to see how the re-balancing plays out.
IWAY will somehow be changed, most likely to not work with pets.
Lt. Helm, maybe. That answer didn't seem concrete.
Gale, possibly not.
Seems like there will be more buffs than nerfs, in a hope to promote versatility, something we greatly need.
Idiots using Elites and high-level armor / items in low-level arenas is coming to an end somehow. Is Forge running going to end? Or will you have to check your n00b-pwnerz gear at the door?
More storage is coming! Yay! (though probably not till Factions)
All told, I'm excited to see how the re-balancing plays out.
Guardian of the Light
W00t he said something about 1v1s now I am super confident now that both Gaile and the frog said it will happen in a place.
Falcon213
So it sounds like fame is going to be taken away for IWAY.. but the only way to do that would be to reset everyone's fame. I hope so, because I have friends who are excellent at PvP, but they are under ranks 3 and 6, so it is nearly impossible for them to find a group that can make it anywhere. I've played some unranked pvp with some of them, and the only way to win is to be lucky to come across a worse unranked team, but winning the second round is nearly impossible.. no one wants to have to win 180 seperate games if they're not in a good guild.
Anyway, I'm excited for the rebalancing so that I can try some new builds instead of always playing the same ones. And so that I'm not always playing against the same ones, either.
Anyway, I'm excited for the rebalancing so that I can try some new builds instead of always playing the same ones. And so that I'm not always playing against the same ones, either.
Lady Lozza
The ONLY way they could take fame away from those who have played IWAY is to completely reset fame points, on EVERYONE. I don't think that that would be such a popular idea. I only have 212, so to make more won't be too much of a problem - but I feel sorry for those with rank 9+.
I do still dispute the fact that IWAY has gained it unfairly, they have not cheated, they have simply used a good pug build and learned how to play it and make it better. Because of this I think it is more likely that Anet will nerf "I will avenge you", and buff other skill, etc, rather than wiping rank and fame completely clean.
I do still dispute the fact that IWAY has gained it unfairly, they have not cheated, they have simply used a good pug build and learned how to play it and make it better. Because of this I think it is more likely that Anet will nerf "I will avenge you", and buff other skill, etc, rather than wiping rank and fame completely clean.
twicky_kid
If they nerf IWAY it self it will be a shame because that is not even the true power of the build but a flavor skill that's thown in. Yet they will do it. Its just like when they nerfed power drain. They smashed the shit out of it with the nerf bat so the environment wouldn't touch it anymore and forced a major change. I completely agree that it did need a nerf on the e denial aspect.
If they do not buff power drain with the skills changes then I will lose all faith in what Anet is doing. Eventually there is going to be crap left for us to play with. I can understand nerfing it to change the environment but not forever. Power drain's changes killed the e denial aspect completely yet was given a 10 second increase on recharge. With the recharge it wasn't usable for energy mangement either. So now its crap. If this is how Anet plans on handling the metagame builds then they are taking the wrong path.
If they do not buff power drain with the skills changes then I will lose all faith in what Anet is doing. Eventually there is going to be crap left for us to play with. I can understand nerfing it to change the environment but not forever. Power drain's changes killed the e denial aspect completely yet was given a 10 second increase on recharge. With the recharge it wasn't usable for energy mangement either. So now its crap. If this is how Anet plans on handling the metagame builds then they are taking the wrong path.
Clusmas
I am looking forward to the update, can't wait to see what Anet has instore for us (good or bad).
I miss E Drain too
I miss E Drain too
LordDeArnise
Who knows what they'll really do, and what the players will do to work around it or to adapt to other things. I hope they buff up some of the mesmer stuff because that class is so underrated and underappreciated in PvE. The same goes for rangers for groups other than barrage/pet teams in Tombs.
Vermilion Okeanos
People should tell froggy not to go to cantha... Asian people do find frog tasting like chicken.
Sounds like March 7 is going to be the date.
Sounds like March 7 is going to be the date.
kvndoom
I don't think making IWAY not count pets as allies would be considered a nerf. I think that would be more of a fix to its original purpose than an actual nerf. As it's used now, the main point is to let the pets stay dead to keep the IAS and regeneration going indefinitely. But who in their right mind would purposely let 3 or 4 of their teammates stay dead just to keep IWAY up almost indefinitely? They would use the buff to stay alive longer in order to rez their friends, because of the numbers disadvantage. Right now, it's simply not being used as intended. In truth, nothing else needs to be done to it.
Raxxman
My reading of it seems to be that you'll loose fame each time your pet dies. That'll hurt IWAY Fame farming without touching the skills.
fenix
One question (kind of off topic). IAS = Blah Attack Speed, what's the blah? I've searched this ages ago and still can't work it out.
I think removing IWAY is the best thing they can do. HA has gone too downhill and all there is now is IWAY and anti IWAY. Hopefully they nerf it in a way that it cannot be played, rather than it being slightly changed so that pets don't affect it as much.
I think removing IWAY is the best thing they can do. HA has gone too downhill and all there is now is IWAY and anti IWAY. Hopefully they nerf it in a way that it cannot be played, rather than it being slightly changed so that pets don't affect it as much.
Medion
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Also it's quite stupid, it's like saying to a monk, anytime a partymember dies you lose fame.
Numa Pompilius
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People should tell froggy not to go to cantha... Asian people do find frog tasting like chicken.
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"The Frog is not fearful of those who might attempt to dine upon his aged shanks.
For indeed, The Frog has powers beyond your comprehension."
fenix
Best Frog quote, refers to the bug where the Ghostly Hero can be put in a wall:
"Stuck in walls? What a n00b"
"Stuck in walls? What a n00b"
Apple
They wouldnt make you lose fame, that'd be a bit overzealous, wouldnt it? I mean, you dont lose fame each time a party member dies!
Edit : Bah, was typing while you put this up
Edit : Bah, was typing while you put this up
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I wouldn't think that's gonna happen, it will only disencourage beastmasters into PvP.
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QuuTip
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One question (kind of off topic). IAS = Blah Attack Speed, what's the blah? I've searched this ages ago and still can't work it out.
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Rajamic
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One question (kind of off topic). IAS = Blah Attack Speed, what's the blah? I've searched this ages ago and still can't work it out.
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fenix
Cheers guys 
I thought it'd be something like that.
Let's hope there's no removal of fame, I've worked hard for mine, and I know a few of the r12's would be angry, as they haven't IWAY'd for any of it.
I thought it'd be something like that.Let's hope there's no removal of fame, I've worked hard for mine, and I know a few of the r12's would be angry, as they haven't IWAY'd for any of it.
cleric
that will be histarical if they take away IWAY fame as that would COMPLETELY shift the game and make the higher level people even more elitest.
Zaxan Razor
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People should tell froggy not to go to cantha... Asian people do find frog tasting like chicken.
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SilentAssassin
Can't wait for the changes to be here, I hear many buffs 
Takeko Nakano
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My reading of it seems to be that you'll loose fame each time your pet dies. That'll hurt IWAY Fame farming without touching the skills.
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If they do this, IWAY will finally function as it was supposed to.
A fame reset? Unlikely, but it could prove interesting if it ever happened.
Divine Elemental
if they do remove fame off everyone... that means they should reset everything in PvE aswell as r9+ people wasted their ass to get to wer we are right not...
a Erase of every skill/character/armor/etc @ PvE + Fame Reset is a fair but shouldnt happen
a Erase of every skill/character/armor/etc @ PvE + Fame Reset is a fair but shouldnt happen
Lykan
Fame reset? Dont be absurd, this would never, ever, ever, ever happen, could you imagine the uproar it would cause, people would leave the game in their hundreds. Why do people even discuss it?
Any deduction in fame whatsoever is also extremely unlikely.
Any deduction in fame whatsoever is also extremely unlikely.
Jetdoc
I agree - I don't think that they will cause you to lose fame (or even not gain fame in the current contest) if your pet dies. That would completely eliminate a complete set of skills from being viable in PvP. In other words, if you have an interesting pet-heavy build that doesn't use IWAY, GW shouldn't punish you for being inventive.
I think that the I Will Avenge You Skill will be changed to say "party member" dies.
I think that the I Will Avenge You Skill will be changed to say "party member" dies.
Kylie Minon
I'm a little bothered by the fact that Anet speaks of such delicate issues trough The Frog.
We are talking about massive skill rebalance, nerfing a build that wether Anet like it or not is very used in PvP and possible rank... ¿reset? ¿penalization? for those who used it...
Such matters should not be handled by The Frog IMO... everything he says is kind of half statement/half fun talk. It's OK talking about changes in the winds or new lands to visit, but everything else regarding deep, important issues of the game should be handled by Gaile or a different way.
We are talking about massive skill rebalance, nerfing a build that wether Anet like it or not is very used in PvP and possible rank... ¿reset? ¿penalization? for those who used it...
Such matters should not be handled by The Frog IMO... everything he says is kind of half statement/half fun talk. It's OK talking about changes in the winds or new lands to visit, but everything else regarding deep, important issues of the game should be handled by Gaile or a different way.
antialias02
Gaile's going to be in LA today sometime, when we'll get "better answers." Don't worry.
Esrever
One thing that bothers me is the "Gale got countered effectively" statement.
This was the work of a single spell, Arcane Theivery. If there is no change to Gale, there would have to be a minimum of two characters running Theivery to have a chance of countering a normal two-Warrior team's Gales. Taking two skills and possibly a secondary out of your build to counter a single skill seems a tad silly.
This was the work of a single spell, Arcane Theivery. If there is no change to Gale, there would have to be a minimum of two characters running Theivery to have a chance of countering a normal two-Warrior team's Gales. Taking two skills and possibly a secondary out of your build to counter a single skill seems a tad silly.
Lykan
Just noticed on the first image Froggie claims skill changes will happen within the week, then on the second he says changes will happen on the 7th of March, which is a lot more than a week away. Or is he talking about different changes?
Which is it to be stupid Frog?
Which is it to be stupid Frog?
Carinae
March 7th is all of 12 days away, so the Frog was off by a few days. One week....two weeks, not much difference. The End is Coming!
Zehnchu
Well if they do consider pet’s not being allies, then they can do away with the skills being disabled when the pet dies.
OP about dyes, the answer is no there will not be new dyes what so ever.
OP about dyes, the answer is no there will not be new dyes what so ever.
Shanaeri Rynale
To wipe out all the famed gained by iway they would have to have recorded the build of every team in every tombs map you ever played. It's not impossible just very very unlikely.
It was a joke on behalf of Gaile/Frog.
To do anything with the fame system would be like nuking the PvP community utterly for a build that is not an exploit would be gaming suicide. Now they may change the way fame is worked out in Ch2 and thats fine, but with the existing fame points, after a successful and high profile GWWC tournament, nah.
It was a joke on behalf of Gaile/Frog.
To do anything with the fame system would be like nuking the PvP community utterly for a build that is not an exploit would be gaming suicide. Now they may change the way fame is worked out in Ch2 and thats fine, but with the existing fame points, after a successful and high profile GWWC tournament, nah.
Esprit
Looks like another round of Skill modifications is coming our way. I think the frog said that skills used with alacrity (often/with speed) will be changed AND so will skills that aren't used as much.
So hopefully that means skills that people have found useless will change for the better.
Pure speculation... the IWAY skill maybe changed to affect human allies only.
So hopefully that means skills that people have found useless will change for the better.
Pure speculation... the IWAY skill maybe changed to affect human allies only.
Valdaran Longfoot
I think when The Frog said he would "remove fame earned from animal deaths", he is most likely talking about removing the ability for for animal deaths to count for Iway.
A fame reset would be kafkaes, GW riots would form in every district.
A fame reset would be kafkaes, GW riots would form in every district.
Andy_M
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if they do remove fame off everyone... that means they should reset everything in PvE aswell as r9+ people wasted their ass to get to wer we are right not...
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I'm sorry - what has Fame and IWAY got to do with PVE ?
SaucE
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I'm sorry - what has Fame and IWAY got to do with PVE ?
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PS. Very excited about these coming changes.
Valdaran Longfoot
Also had a side thought after my post.....
If they are going to nerf Iway based on pet deaths, how does that affect the many Orders/Tainters/Trappers????
And really, REALLY bad Iway groups have their pets die all the time and they lose anyway, so how do they lose fame they don't have?
If they are going to nerf Iway based on pet deaths, how does that affect the many Orders/Tainters/Trappers????
And really, REALLY bad Iway groups have their pets die all the time and they lose anyway, so how do they lose fame they don't have?
Optime
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March 7th is all of 12 days away, so the Frog was off by a few days. One week....two weeks, not much difference. The End is Coming!
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Maybe the changes WILL be coming within a week ^^