Why Don't More Rangers Care About Their Pets
Linkusmax
Well just check out Bring Back The Rifts GvG build too see how pets can be effective, In fact I am currently using that as a base for my own build for HA and GvG.
torquemada
Clueless about roleplaying, the lot of ya (Kurt excepted).
Linkusmax
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Raif
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Originally Posted by torquemada
Clueless about roleplaying, the lot of ya (Kurt excepted).
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torquemada
Snap? Just read the beggining and the end of this thread.
No flame meant, but what was started as roleplaying thread (at least I think so) quickly became another "Im playing this" and "Im playing that" and "pvp uber this and that"....bleh.
No flame meant, but what was started as roleplaying thread (at least I think so) quickly became another "Im playing this" and "Im playing that" and "pvp uber this and that"....bleh.
lg5000
How's Nooblet and his Lady friend doing?
Indira
Speaking of pets...
From the Mad Queen (she drops in LA int every now and then to RP and drop hints of "things to come")..
On Wednesday's LA visit, while she was talking about pets she said, "The Queen has seen tigers in Cantha..."
I wonder if they're white?!?
I've been having a hard time deciding what pet to get. Now I'm just going to hold out and wait to see what the new world has!
From the Mad Queen (she drops in LA int every now and then to RP and drop hints of "things to come")..
On Wednesday's LA visit, while she was talking about pets she said, "The Queen has seen tigers in Cantha..."
I wonder if they're white?!?
I've been having a hard time deciding what pet to get. Now I'm just going to hold out and wait to see what the new world has!
Lowly Peasant
I don't realy care about differnt types of pets. I mean there is no difference at all between a lowly Melendru's stalker (which I have) or the uber spider which everyone wants. If different pets had different attributes then sure, but as it is they may as well make a pet rat.
=HT=Ingram
I do. I just wish I could let my pet in town with me to do tricks and give treats too. lol
specific tricks I want.
Peeing on another player in town fire hydrant style. . LOL
Play dead
Roll over
Fetch
and heal and stay...
Oh and where is he boy??? get em! get em!..
specific tricks I want.
Peeing on another player in town fire hydrant style. . LOL
Play dead
Roll over
Fetch
and heal and stay...
Oh and where is he boy??? get em! get em!..
Don Vito Corleone
i dont use my pet....why?
because i dont have more than 200 points
how many do i need for markesmanship? wildness? experties?
to use a bow, i need to put points to all the 3 that means beast mastery will be 1 at max and i think 2 skills slot to use a pet is much
its not like a warrior or monk
monk will put all his attributes point to divine and healing or prot
warrior will put then on axe and strength or tactics
but rangers need to put 200 to the 3 attributes which is not fair
because i dont have more than 200 points
how many do i need for markesmanship? wildness? experties?
to use a bow, i need to put points to all the 3 that means beast mastery will be 1 at max and i think 2 skills slot to use a pet is much
its not like a warrior or monk
monk will put all his attributes point to divine and healing or prot
warrior will put then on axe and strength or tactics
but rangers need to put 200 to the 3 attributes which is not fair
KurtTheBehemoth
OMG, Nooblets and his girlfriend are gonna have kittens. Oh, isn't this the best news. Im gonna need to save up all the half eaten masses that I see. Feeding a family of cats is no easy task. If you have some food for Nooblets and his family please whisper me in the game. And please, no fancy feast, I don't want to spoil them.
Align
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Originally Posted by Don Vito Corleone
but rangers need to put 200 to the 3 attributes which is not fair
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farmerfez
I keep my pet alive because its a spider 
Align
I keep my pet alive because without it I'm not going to do much damage... Seriously, if you're not going to be a BM, don't bring a pet.
SilentAssassin
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Originally Posted by Indira
Speaking of pets...
From the Mad Queen (she drops in LA int every now and then to RP and drop hints of "things to come").. On Wednesday's LA visit, while she was talking about pets she said, "The Queen has seen tigers in Cantha..." I wonder if they're white?!? I've been having a hard time deciding what pet to get. Now I'm just going to hold out and wait to see what the new world has! |
if thats true then I got a really hard time to discide to delete my spider for the tiger
maybe I will change my assassin to ranger in the end just to get the tiger
oljomo
Hi
I never thought that pets were worthwhile, teh two skills needed for using them always seemed like a total waste at the time. Then i got my spider, and decided td take it out for a trial run. I filled my skill bar with bm skills set bm to 16 exp to 10 and marks to 10 and wen tout to do ring of fire. The damage i was getting from the pet far srpassed what i expected, the pet attacks dealing extra dmaage that i think ignores armour (or at least reduces its affect) making it very useful against tough targets, (something the person comparing barage to fs missed), almost never lost health (i had call of protection up). I was amazed, since then whenever possible i have taken my pet with me >_<. I really want to try an all pet attack team.
oljomo
I never thought that pets were worthwhile, teh two skills needed for using them always seemed like a total waste at the time. Then i got my spider, and decided td take it out for a trial run. I filled my skill bar with bm skills set bm to 16 exp to 10 and marks to 10 and wen tout to do ring of fire. The damage i was getting from the pet far srpassed what i expected, the pet attacks dealing extra dmaage that i think ignores armour (or at least reduces its affect) making it very useful against tough targets, (something the person comparing barage to fs missed), almost never lost health (i had call of protection up). I was amazed, since then whenever possible i have taken my pet with me >_<. I really want to try an all pet attack team.
oljomo
Jenosavel
I don't think the person comparing it to Barrage missed that point, because Barrage's +damage is also armor ignoring (as is the +damage from most attack skills). However, the +damage you get from pets is quite a bit higher than it is from Barrage, especially after this last update. Brutal Strike's ~70 armor ignoring damage FTW!
zaza
If your a seroius gamer then you probably wont have a pet unless your a part of a IWAY team...i would never bring a pet into the UW, FoW, Sorrows Furnace, or even the ring of fire... all they do is a little bit of dmg and make you not able to use any skills when they die and are rezed...
lg5000
Hmm.. I've often wondered how a pet would go in UW.. seriously tempted to take both my ranger and her pet down there when they get ascended.
As for Nooblets, congrats on the family
As for Nooblets, congrats on the family
jimmy_logic
I been using pets even before the update... pets provide that surprise that can catch a team off guard. Now with the buffs its even better.
Xenrath
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Originally Posted by torquemada
Clueless about roleplaying, the lot of ya (Kurt excepted).
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torquemada
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Originally Posted by Xenrath
I'm casting magic missile!
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Shred 'em to bits, lads!!
wiz12268
Yes the new update makes barrage secondary to FS.
I was also speaking more in terms of PvE rather than PvP. In PvP FS is the better skill for sure since most humans don't stand around when getting barraged (unless they are in an FOW PUG game)
I was also speaking more in terms of PvE rather than PvP. In PvP FS is the better skill for sure since most humans don't stand around when getting barraged (unless they are in an FOW PUG game)
FalconDance
Cait (my healer) went out into Perdition Rock the first time yesterday and acted as co-healer for a capping/Final Blow group. There were a couple rangers, only one of whom brought their pet (if I misremember, I apologize). After a bit, the ranger specifically thanked me for healing her pet. I told her np. She then said that most healers wouldn't and I whispered that was one reason I did. I won't put the human part of the team in dire jeopardy for a pet, but the pet is still part of the team in my eyes. The dumb animal often shows more intelligence than their human counterpart 
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Shadow Sword Strike
do u guys no if there will b any new pets, in factions
felinette
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Originally Posted by FalconDance
After a bit, the ranger specifically thanked me for healing her pet. I told her np. She then said that most healers wouldn't and I whispered that was one reason I did.
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I have a monk character, and when she starts grouping, I will definitely heal any pets.
Leon_Ux-ixen
I try keep my wolf Kage alive the sad part is were both 20 and he can survive an attack from 20 trolls but I get stomped into the ground, question HOW DOES THIS WORK!!!! Lol I only use that one signet that lets you have your pet with you I never take Comfort Animal he usually lives through quests. But most Ranger don't understand how usefull they can be. Example you see a large group of Trolls, stand far away and fire one arrow once it hits run a bit and let the wolf take an on. Once the two start to fight fire away with arrows, spells, or sent the warrior/ whatever, works everytime 
Sakurai
From what I've witnessed, many rangers don't bring their pets because (they would rather use something els ein place of comfort animal). That or they couldn't be bothered and say 'if it dies then it's useless at that point in the map'. Which is just plain BS considering that if they will treat the pet that way then they shouldn't have one at all.
I've always put my pet on the same level as everyone else and heal them accordingly. Heck, I stopped carrying comfort animal and use revive animal in it's place. This way i can resurrect my own pet still while being able to resurrect careless beasters pets that are left to rot. If it isn't paranoia, i can see far fewer beastmasters out there now.
Either I'm paranoid or what is stated int he quote no longer seems to be the case. Since the last couple days: I've noticed a change in the enemy AI which makes pets as tanks less than viable. I still bring my pet everywhere however.
The changes (in a situation form) I've noticed are as follows:
1) Pet goes after a mob, mob ignores pet and all charge for you
2) Mob chases you down, pet follows, mob randmly picks at pet if it's blocking them.
3a) That mob is attacking the pet, you stop then and the mob goes after you once more.
3b) or you stop, the moment you attack them they all stop going after the pet and go after you again.
4) You'ru outside their chase-distance and some that stand around at that point stioll ignore the pet while doing nothing. They eventually run back off while pet is still thrashing at them at that point.
5) Meanwhile, the rest of the group that is over a map distance away- once *YOU* are (not the pet) back in their 'chase-range' they all come from across the map back to you only still ignoring the pet.
Maybe it's just me but Anet seemed to make the enemy AI go on 'ignore all pets' now. Would be more viable if they went after pets the same as they would go after warriors in the group or any melee-fighter. It used to be almost like that (close enough to it) but no longer. It's now just 'attack pet if you can't get through or around it'. Same situtation in the factions preview since they patched in the luxon\kurzik quests.
Now they just chase you like you are the only target on the map with a longer-than-life aggro range after they were initially disturbed.
I've always put my pet on the same level as everyone else and heal them accordingly. Heck, I stopped carrying comfort animal and use revive animal in it's place. This way i can resurrect my own pet still while being able to resurrect careless beasters pets that are left to rot. If it isn't paranoia, i can see far fewer beastmasters out there now.
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Originally Posted by Leon_Ux-ixen
Example you see a large group of Trolls, stand far away and fire one arrow once it hits run a bit and let the wolf take an on. Once the two start to fight fire away with arrows, spells, or sent the warrior/ whatever, works everytime
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Either I'm paranoid or what is stated int he quote no longer seems to be the case. Since the last couple days: I've noticed a change in the enemy AI which makes pets as tanks less than viable. I still bring my pet everywhere however.
The changes (in a situation form) I've noticed are as follows:
1) Pet goes after a mob, mob ignores pet and all charge for you
2) Mob chases you down, pet follows, mob randmly picks at pet if it's blocking them.
3a) That mob is attacking the pet, you stop then and the mob goes after you once more.
3b) or you stop, the moment you attack them they all stop going after the pet and go after you again.
4) You'ru outside their chase-distance and some that stand around at that point stioll ignore the pet while doing nothing. They eventually run back off while pet is still thrashing at them at that point.
5) Meanwhile, the rest of the group that is over a map distance away- once *YOU* are (not the pet) back in their 'chase-range' they all come from across the map back to you only still ignoring the pet.
Maybe it's just me but Anet seemed to make the enemy AI go on 'ignore all pets' now. Would be more viable if they went after pets the same as they would go after warriors in the group or any melee-fighter. It used to be almost like that (close enough to it) but no longer. It's now just 'attack pet if you can't get through or around it'. Same situtation in the factions preview since they patched in the luxon\kurzik quests.
Now they just chase you like you are the only target on the map with a longer-than-life aggro range after they were initially disturbed.
Fluffyx
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
I play a ranger now, and I have a pet cat name Nooblets. When I go on a mission with nooblets I am always keep him healthy with mending and infuse health. It breaks my heart to see other rangers who use their pets as meat shields. I shed a tear each time Nooblets dies and pray to Dwayna that it doesn't happen again. He is a fun companion and a loyal friend. I love you Nooblets.
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NIL8
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Originally Posted by animeba
funniest thing I have read so far about pets. You do realize they are VIRTUAL pets and FEEL NO PAIN when they die. They also get resurrected easily and come to life with no penality. You are sounding more and more like that Gaile who crys about silly things like virtual pet abuse.
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KurtTheBehemoth
Nooblets is no longer a cat. A month ago he died for the last time as a cat while in Tombs. I prayed to Dwayna that he might be resurrected and she spoke to me. She told me to go to the Underworld when America has favor and seach for him. I got a couple of my guildies together and we when on a quest in search of Nooblets. After a grueling journey I came upon a large black spider. Although he had several scary looking eyes there was something oddly familiar about the spider. I called his name, and was overwhelmed with joy to find that it was Nooblets resurrected. I am so happy to have him back. He may not be cute and cuddly anymore. But, he still brushes up against my leg to show affection. Nooblets the Immortal.
Never Give Up> Never Surrender
Never Give Up> Never Surrender
Sha Noran
This thread... has... made my day... in more ways than one....
Kurt: Please, keep posting.
Kurt: Please, keep posting.
Silent Kitty
I have a healer with a pet. It would be stupid to use it, but still it is fun. I really don't understand why my skills have to shut down, when it dies.
When on important missions, I don't take the pet with me. The risk of being called a noob is just to big.
When on important missions, I don't take the pet with me. The risk of being called a noob is just to big.
felinette
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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty
I have a healer with a pet. It would be stupid to use it, but still it is fun. I really don't understand why my skills have to shut down, when it dies.
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Faer
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Originally Posted by Xenrath
I'm casting magic missile!
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Phaern Majes
They should let us bring pets into outposts. I mean NPC's get them in Henge and Ember. Then when I do /dance, my bear could start break dancing too.
Lucifer PVP
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
The other day in the wilds my pet Nooblets saved me from certain death. I was at zero health and the Troll killing me was about to finish me off. Out of nowhere Nooblets tackled him with no regard for his own safety. I was so pleased with him that i dropped a half eaten mass for him. Unfortunately, another team member picked it up. "OMG, that was for Nooblets!" I told him. Luckily I had another.
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
Nooblets is no longer a cat. A month ago he died for the last time as a cat while in Tombs. I prayed to Dwayna that he might be resurrected and she spoke to me. She told me to go to the Underworld when America has favor and seach for him. I got a couple of my guildies together and we when on a quest in search of Nooblets. After a grueling journey I came upon a large black spider. Although he had several scary looking eyes there was something oddly familiar about the spider. I called his name, and was overwhelmed with joy to find that it was Nooblets resurrected. I am so happy to have him back. He may not be cute and cuddly anymore. But, he still brushes up against my leg to show affection. Nooblets the Immortal.
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bpphantom
ROFL! I love it Kurt.
Pecky, my Moa Bird, is doing well and is a valued asset and companion while my War/Ran is out and about. At leask Pecky has something intellgent to say which is more that I can say for Devona.
I am going to look for a spider for a new ranger I'll be making... possibly a Nec/Ran pet machine. Mmmmmm, spiderlicious.
Pecky, my Moa Bird, is doing well and is a valued asset and companion while my War/Ran is out and about. At leask Pecky has something intellgent to say which is more that I can say for Devona.
I am going to look for a spider for a new ranger I'll be making... possibly a Nec/Ran pet machine. Mmmmmm, spiderlicious.
ArianeB
I have been experimenting with Beast Mastery skills the last couple of days. I noticed that the last re-balancing gave BM a huge boost and was wondering how useful/viable having a pet is for a ranger, as most rangers dont use pets (except in Tombs where B/P rangering is really popular).
I did quite well hunting sand drakes yesterday with just one healer henchie and my pet lynx using:
-Poison Arrow (elite)
-Feral Lunge (causes bleeding which stacks with poison)
-Predators Pounce (~40 damage that also heals your pet, and spammable)
-Brutal Strike (~70 damage once health is below 50%, also spammable)
-Predatory Season (heals you and your pet as you attack, stacks with vampiric bow)
-charm animal
-comfort animal
-troll unugent
Rangers can do two types of health degeneration: Bleeding and Poison, and you can't double one, but you can stack the two together. But the powers to cause bleeding and poison using arrows only are either preparations (apply poison) elites (poison arrow) or both (melandru's arrow).
So the only way you can stack them without using a pet is to barb trap and poison arrow, which is unreliable. Poison Arrow + Feral Lunge is much more reliable, and you can keep both up even on bosses till they are dead.
Fun way to give your pet some exercise.
I did quite well hunting sand drakes yesterday with just one healer henchie and my pet lynx using:
-Poison Arrow (elite)
-Feral Lunge (causes bleeding which stacks with poison)
-Predators Pounce (~40 damage that also heals your pet, and spammable)
-Brutal Strike (~70 damage once health is below 50%, also spammable)
-Predatory Season (heals you and your pet as you attack, stacks with vampiric bow)
-charm animal
-comfort animal
-troll unugent
Rangers can do two types of health degeneration: Bleeding and Poison, and you can't double one, but you can stack the two together. But the powers to cause bleeding and poison using arrows only are either preparations (apply poison) elites (poison arrow) or both (melandru's arrow).
So the only way you can stack them without using a pet is to barb trap and poison arrow, which is unreliable. Poison Arrow + Feral Lunge is much more reliable, and you can keep both up even on bosses till they are dead.
Fun way to give your pet some exercise.
DeathDealer
I use pretty much the same buld as you wrote...and I use it quite often..its fun a fun build ArianeB..I love running a beast master build...a good beastmaster can deal some pretty sizable damage and conditions. My black widow dies way less than I do which is a sign of my rangers loyalty to her pet.