Mesmer Are Truly Undervalued.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Kai Nui
I think the only creature worthy enough to be killed by a mesmer is a musaat monk. Everything else is worthless.
Monks one of the only true challenges for most anti-spellcaster builds.
Mayh3m
Oh well mesmer OWN!
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Mayh3m
Oh well mesmer OWN!
You wish to own a mesmer. One fresh mesmer no extra on the side. That'll be 40gold sir. Will you be paying in cash or cheque. lol
Banebow
The problem is that PvE is all about speed. My conjure phantasm, empathy, or diversion hexes are all highly efficient damage-dealing or shutdown spells.
But an echo meteor shower elementalist kills things 4 times faster than I do. When a group wants to head to the forgemaster in FoW for example, they want to go fast. Besides a few cases in which the AI monks manage to get outside of the meteor shower aoe, my spells and hexes would put out a wopping 60 damage before the target was dead. Fat lot of good that did, and it made me wonder what, exactly, is the point? If I, as the mesmer, was thinking that, what could the three echo nukers have been thinking?
Well, we can make a guess. They see that I am not putting out much damage, and shutdown was not even close to needed since the monks all dropped in under 15 seconds. So, they see a mesmer that was not doing as much damage as, say, another nuker would have done, and so start leaving mesmers by the roadside and taking more nukers instead.
Not to say mesmers are weak. Empathy alone can do massive damage given time to work its magic, and in some cases you will have that time (boss fights for instance) Wastrel's worry is also a fun little skill, letting a mesmer do something like a good 60 dps against bosses. Diversion can also swing the tide of battle, stopping those nasty monk bosses from using their infinite energy pools to heal. But all these things are boss-related. What good is empathy if the target will be knocked down every three seconds and dead in 6? What about WW? Diversion? And so on. A good mesmer can completely and utterly destroy a boss, and general mobs to, you just take longer. As the saying goes, "time is money" and other players don't care if your skills are great, they only see that it takes you a longer time to kill.
PvP is a different story entirely. Mesmers tend to be the highest or second-highest priority targets then, and that is because they are so dangerous. On the one hand that is great since it means you are a huge threat. On the other hand it is bad since you have horrible armor and not exactly the best defensive skills
But an echo meteor shower elementalist kills things 4 times faster than I do. When a group wants to head to the forgemaster in FoW for example, they want to go fast. Besides a few cases in which the AI monks manage to get outside of the meteor shower aoe, my spells and hexes would put out a wopping 60 damage before the target was dead. Fat lot of good that did, and it made me wonder what, exactly, is the point? If I, as the mesmer, was thinking that, what could the three echo nukers have been thinking?
Well, we can make a guess. They see that I am not putting out much damage, and shutdown was not even close to needed since the monks all dropped in under 15 seconds. So, they see a mesmer that was not doing as much damage as, say, another nuker would have done, and so start leaving mesmers by the roadside and taking more nukers instead.
Not to say mesmers are weak. Empathy alone can do massive damage given time to work its magic, and in some cases you will have that time (boss fights for instance) Wastrel's worry is also a fun little skill, letting a mesmer do something like a good 60 dps against bosses. Diversion can also swing the tide of battle, stopping those nasty monk bosses from using their infinite energy pools to heal. But all these things are boss-related. What good is empathy if the target will be knocked down every three seconds and dead in 6? What about WW? Diversion? And so on. A good mesmer can completely and utterly destroy a boss, and general mobs to, you just take longer. As the saying goes, "time is money" and other players don't care if your skills are great, they only see that it takes you a longer time to kill.
PvP is a different story entirely. Mesmers tend to be the highest or second-highest priority targets then, and that is because they are so dangerous. On the one hand that is great since it means you are a huge threat. On the other hand it is bad since you have horrible armor and not exactly the best defensive skills
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Banebow
The problem is that PvE is all about speed. My conjure phantasm, empathy, or diversion hexes are all highly efficient damage-dealing or shutdown spells.
But an echo meteor shower elementalist kills things 4 times faster than I do. When a group wants to head to the forgemaster in FoW for example, they want to go fast. Besides a few cases in which the AI monks manage to get outside of the meteor shower aoe, my spells and hexes would put out a wopping 60 damage before the target was dead. Fat lot of good that did, and it made me wonder what, exactly, is the point? If I, as the mesmer, was thinking that, what could the three echo nukers have been thinking?
Well, we can make a guess. They see that I am not putting out much damage, and shutdown was not even close to needed since the monks all dropped in under 15 seconds. So, they see a mesmer that was not doing as much damage as, say, another nuker would have done, and so start leaving mesmers by the roadside and taking more nukers instead.
Not to say mesmers are weak. Empathy alone can do massive damage given time to work its magic, and in some cases you will have that time (boss fights for instance) Wastrel's worry is also a fun little skill, letting a mesmer do something like a good 60 dps against bosses. Diversion can also swing the tide of battle, stopping those nasty monk bosses from using their infinite energy pools to heal. But all these things are boss-related. What good is empathy if the target will be knocked down every three seconds and dead in 6? What about WW? Diversion? And so on. A good mesmer can completely and utterly destroy a boss, and general mobs to, you just take longer. As the saying goes, "time is money" and other players don't care if your skills are great, they only see that it takes you a longer time to kill.
PvP is a different story entirely. Mesmers tend to be the highest or second-highest priority targets then, and that is because they are so dangerous. On the one hand that is great since it means you are a huge threat. On the other hand it is bad since you have horrible armor and not exactly the best defensive skills
Mesmers ability to shutdown and interrupt opponents is unmatched by other classes. That's a fact everyone knows. It is rather annoying how mesmers can sometimes turn the tide of a battle and yet a party going on a spellcaster intensive mission don't realise that. Reminds me of I forget the name of the mission. The one before hell's precipice. I was with a group of warriors and monks. Now the warriors as we got to the mursaat strong hold made the party all made the mistake of telling me what to attack and shut down. So I sat back and watched the mursaat kill them off one at a time. Ironic how it was the mursaat mesmers that are what did them in. But my point being, I being the mesmer knew what to shut down, etc. And had they not tried to tell me what to do. I can almost be certain that the mursaat would have been much easier to try and kill. Never piss of a mesmer. (Or monk) We know what to do and when to do it.
Side note: I get the feeling I rambled on losing the point I tried to make. lol
But an echo meteor shower elementalist kills things 4 times faster than I do. When a group wants to head to the forgemaster in FoW for example, they want to go fast. Besides a few cases in which the AI monks manage to get outside of the meteor shower aoe, my spells and hexes would put out a wopping 60 damage before the target was dead. Fat lot of good that did, and it made me wonder what, exactly, is the point? If I, as the mesmer, was thinking that, what could the three echo nukers have been thinking?
Well, we can make a guess. They see that I am not putting out much damage, and shutdown was not even close to needed since the monks all dropped in under 15 seconds. So, they see a mesmer that was not doing as much damage as, say, another nuker would have done, and so start leaving mesmers by the roadside and taking more nukers instead.
Not to say mesmers are weak. Empathy alone can do massive damage given time to work its magic, and in some cases you will have that time (boss fights for instance) Wastrel's worry is also a fun little skill, letting a mesmer do something like a good 60 dps against bosses. Diversion can also swing the tide of battle, stopping those nasty monk bosses from using their infinite energy pools to heal. But all these things are boss-related. What good is empathy if the target will be knocked down every three seconds and dead in 6? What about WW? Diversion? And so on. A good mesmer can completely and utterly destroy a boss, and general mobs to, you just take longer. As the saying goes, "time is money" and other players don't care if your skills are great, they only see that it takes you a longer time to kill.
PvP is a different story entirely. Mesmers tend to be the highest or second-highest priority targets then, and that is because they are so dangerous. On the one hand that is great since it means you are a huge threat. On the other hand it is bad since you have horrible armor and not exactly the best defensive skills
Mesmers ability to shutdown and interrupt opponents is unmatched by other classes. That's a fact everyone knows. It is rather annoying how mesmers can sometimes turn the tide of a battle and yet a party going on a spellcaster intensive mission don't realise that. Reminds me of I forget the name of the mission. The one before hell's precipice. I was with a group of warriors and monks. Now the warriors as we got to the mursaat strong hold made the party all made the mistake of telling me what to attack and shut down. So I sat back and watched the mursaat kill them off one at a time. Ironic how it was the mursaat mesmers that are what did them in. But my point being, I being the mesmer knew what to shut down, etc. And had they not tried to tell me what to do. I can almost be certain that the mursaat would have been much easier to try and kill. Never piss of a mesmer. (Or monk) We know what to do and when to do it.Side note: I get the feeling I rambled on losing the point I tried to make. lol
Banebow
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Originally Posted by NinjaKai
Mesmers ability to shutdown and interrupt opponents is unmatched by other classes.
Oh I agree. No warrior, elementalist, necromancer, monk, or even ranger can match a mesmer when it comes to shutdown. The problem is that you need so little of it that no one cares. Besides a few bosses, such as the mursaat monk, everything can be killed faster with another nuker. Even in ToPK were mesmers have no weaknesses and there are lots of enemies who could use some shutdown on them, mesmers have a hard time finding groups because everyone would rather do the barrage pet combo instead of trying to make a balanced group.
Mr Ownager
Mesmers should rebel against the trinty. Too bad no one would listen.
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Mr Ownager
Mesmers should rebel against the trinty. Too bad no one would listen.
Shame we can't use Echo to shout it out. lol
Shame we can't use Echo to shout it out. lol
Caged Fury
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Originally Posted by Mr Ownager
Mesmers should rebel against the trinty. Too bad no one would listen.
No one is listening because they're too busy saying "#$%#!"
tafy69
PvE mesmers arent to great as most monsters dant have good monks that need shuting down
PvP Mesmers Own.
PvP Mesmers Own.
Maxiemonster
Warriors - Tanking / Spiking / Running
Rangers - Interupting / Trapping / Spirit Spamming
Monks - Healing / Protecting
Necromancer - SS'ing / MM'ing
Elementalis - Nuking
Mesmers - ...
What do Mesmers do? Noone knows. I'm not saying Mesmers suck (I've got one myself
And I love him), I'm saying noone knows what to do with Mesmers, what skills to let them bring etc.
You hear "Nice Tanking", "Nice Healing". "Nice Trapping", "Cool, lots of Minions", "Nice timed nuking" every once in a while. But nothing related to Mesmers, since they can't give compliments when they don't know what in the world Mesmers do ..
Rangers - Interupting / Trapping / Spirit Spamming
Monks - Healing / Protecting
Necromancer - SS'ing / MM'ing
Elementalis - Nuking
Mesmers - ...
What do Mesmers do? Noone knows. I'm not saying Mesmers suck (I've got one myself
And I love him), I'm saying noone knows what to do with Mesmers, what skills to let them bring etc.You hear "Nice Tanking", "Nice Healing". "Nice Trapping", "Cool, lots of Minions", "Nice timed nuking" every once in a while. But nothing related to Mesmers, since they can't give compliments when they don't know what in the world Mesmers do ..
kais
the thing is, mesmers dont just do one thing. you can say nice interrupting to a mesmer. I dont think any classe can be as versatile as mesmer. mesmer can be:
- heavy dmg dealers (IW)
- warrior hate (sig of midnight, empathy, clumsiness)
- caster hate (power spike, leak, drain)
there are so many things to choose from. whereas a warrior will always be in melee, or eles will most of the time be nuking ( im talking in general terms here).
People just dont understand what mesmers do, because most of them dont know what they are capable of doing. if they did, they would know how important mesmers are. And Im not talking about the mesmer spamming conjure fantasm all the time and doing nothing else but that.
also, mesmer players should not think that anyone who doesnt play a mesmer
doesnt know what he does. I dont play mesmers much, nevertheless, I know what they do.
to answer to the OP. I think mesmers are undervalued by people who do not know the mesmer class, or people who have never tried using it. I dont say everyone who never played the mesmer undervalue them, but all who do, cant possibly have tried it.
- heavy dmg dealers (IW)
- warrior hate (sig of midnight, empathy, clumsiness)
- caster hate (power spike, leak, drain)
there are so many things to choose from. whereas a warrior will always be in melee, or eles will most of the time be nuking ( im talking in general terms here).
People just dont understand what mesmers do, because most of them dont know what they are capable of doing. if they did, they would know how important mesmers are. And Im not talking about the mesmer spamming conjure fantasm all the time and doing nothing else but that.
also, mesmer players should not think that anyone who doesnt play a mesmer
doesnt know what he does. I dont play mesmers much, nevertheless, I know what they do.
to answer to the OP. I think mesmers are undervalued by people who do not know the mesmer class, or people who have never tried using it. I dont say everyone who never played the mesmer undervalue them, but all who do, cant possibly have tried it.
baz777
Being a monk I certainly do not undervalue Mesmers, I may hate and despise them, but I do not undervalue them.
LightningHell
IW is not really "high damage", compared to the damage the baddies are doing to you. IMO.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster
Rangers - Interupting / Trapping / Spirit Spamming
Monks - Healing / Protecting
Necromancer - SS'ing / MM'ing
Elementalis - Nuking
Mesmers - ...
What do Mesmers do? Noone knows.
I've played tanking mesmers, interrupt mesmers, SS mesmers, healing/protting mesmers... the general opinion is we can do anything. When the team dies, I often have to solo my way back to the corpses against various mobs, and the mesmer is the best suited to do that, especially as most of its skills are fire-and-forget, meaning you can hex and kite till it dies
kais
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
IW is not really "high damage", compared to the damage the baddies are doing to you. IMO.
well, i think doing around 40 armor ignoring dmg per hit is good. add the fact that you cant stop taking the dmg unless the mesmer is dead( or the enchantment stripped, but you should normally have a cover enchant), and I think it does good dmg. of course, its not a spike dmg like the warrior's eviscerate, but its still non-negligeable dmg. as for the damage taken, using distortion can save you some trouble.
BakedMonkey
I do not have a mesmer, but play one sometimes during PvP, people just have to understand the role of them. Like many said, the visual aid for all the mesmers work in PvE is weak. Warriors swing their Fiery Dragon Sword while elementalists have big flashy spells. No one knows what the mesmers are up to..but still domination magic e-denial owns
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by kais
well, i think doing around 40 armor ignoring dmg per hit is good. add the fact that you cant stop taking the dmg unless the mesmer is dead( or the enchantment stripped, but you should normally have a cover enchant), and I think it does good dmg. of course, its not a spike dmg like the warrior's eviscerate, but its still non-negligeable dmg. as for the damage taken, using distortion can save you some trouble.
Good. Well, I'd say let the tank do their work first. Then get in and start killing.
Well, using Me/W would be nice. Or W/Me. Then I would shut up
PvE, right?
Well, using Me/W would be nice. Or W/Me. Then I would shut up
PvE, right?
Avarre
Well IW in PvE is handy when I want to solo some minor boss (solo-capped Dwarven Battle Stance earlier today), and of course for my farming setup... but in PvP the damage isn't really that high, reversal of fortune slaughters it. The only good thing is its constant damage output, but any warrior or ranger or ele can do so much more.
NinjaKai
Off Topic: Avarre I have a capture signet. I already have the elite skills Crippling Anguish, IW and Energy Surge. What elite should I capture?
Mr Ownager
Not that you asked me but I would suggest either Ineptitude or Power Block. (my favourites )
)
floplag
try doing thirsty river with a memsmer, then tell me they dont own. !
ive done it a number of times with all classes now... but when we went through with my msemer to ascend him, it was the fastest id ever seen it done
mesmers can deal damage when there arent bosses around to.. take s a balanced build, but it can be done
ive done it a number of times with all classes now... but when we went through with my msemer to ascend him, it was the fastest id ever seen it done
mesmers can deal damage when there arent bosses around to.. take s a balanced build, but it can be done
Undead Preacher
memser is better as a supporting profession, not as a primary...
and as for SS mesmers, no comparision to an echo ss necro... seriously...
As for pvp.... mesmers own.... no doubting that fact
and as for SS mesmers, no comparision to an echo ss necro... seriously...
As for pvp.... mesmers own.... no doubting that fact
LightningHell
In PvE, I think the others need to leave the Mesmer to do her job. Personally I would have the Mesmer shut down the Monk while they hit the Elementalist, in PvE. I think it's better than hammering on the Monk while shutting it down, also. IMHO.
Also, that monk would be "gleefully spamming heals", as stated above (somewhere), if that Mesmer weren't here.
Also, that monk would be "gleefully spamming heals", as stated above (somewhere), if that Mesmer weren't here.
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
In PvE, I think the others need to leave the Mesmer to do her job. Personally I would have the Mesmer shut down the Monk while they hit the Elementalist, in PvE. I think it's better than hammering on the Monk while shutting it down, also. IMHO.
Also, that monk would be "gleefully spamming heals", as stated above (somewhere), if that Mesmer weren't here. no need for a mesmer shutting down the monk when they are constantly interupted by ELE's(meteor shower), necros(Spinal Shivers), or interupt Rangers....
monks can't spam heals when they are constantly interupted... with my ss necro i bring 1 skill that gives me 40+ seconds of interupts.... so alot of the time, and i hate to say it, mesmers just seem less useful... and i only mean in pve, i still they drainers in pvp arenas own
I do however love the mesmer profession as a secondary, i think its one of the strongest around...
Also, that monk would be "gleefully spamming heals", as stated above (somewhere), if that Mesmer weren't here. no need for a mesmer shutting down the monk when they are constantly interupted by ELE's(meteor shower), necros(Spinal Shivers), or interupt Rangers....
monks can't spam heals when they are constantly interupted... with my ss necro i bring 1 skill that gives me 40+ seconds of interupts.... so alot of the time, and i hate to say it, mesmers just seem less useful... and i only mean in pve, i still they drainers in pvp arenas own
I do however love the mesmer profession as a secondary, i think its one of the strongest around...
Arcanis the Omnipotent
I do believe the topic was about how "Mesmers are Undervalued"
Kinda like what you're doing right there, undervaluing us.
Kinda like what you're doing right there, undervaluing us.
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
I do believe the topic was about how "Mesmers are Undervalued"
Kinda like what you're doing right there, undervaluing us. saying u own in pvp isn't undervaluing u!
saying your one of the best secondary professions isn't undervaluing u!
saying out of 6 professions your is the least in demand for pve is true!
in no way am i being mean, but how often do u go into an area for pve and see groups spamming that they need a mesmer, i dunno if i ever have
Mesmer as a profession is more for experienced players, i agree with that... and I deleted mine for the obvious reason, getting in a group is way too time consuming
Kinda like what you're doing right there, undervaluing us. saying u own in pvp isn't undervaluing u!
saying your one of the best secondary professions isn't undervaluing u!
saying out of 6 professions your is the least in demand for pve is true!
in no way am i being mean, but how often do u go into an area for pve and see groups spamming that they need a mesmer, i dunno if i ever have
Mesmer as a profession is more for experienced players, i agree with that... and I deleted mine for the obvious reason, getting in a group is way too time consuming
Arcanis the Omnipotent
I never have a problem getting a group.
The thing is with Mesmers is that we have different skills that work better or worse depending what we're doing. Some skills work in PVP that dont work in PVE. And vice versa.
Because of that, what most people dont realize is that the PVE skills allow for some of the best combo choices in the game. A good mesmer in PVE will get the job done, disrupt and take down the enemies in record speeds, and his team will never know he did a thing.
The thing is with Mesmers is that we have different skills that work better or worse depending what we're doing. Some skills work in PVP that dont work in PVE. And vice versa.
Because of that, what most people dont realize is that the PVE skills allow for some of the best combo choices in the game. A good mesmer in PVE will get the job done, disrupt and take down the enemies in record speeds, and his team will never know he did a thing.
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
I never have a problem getting a group.
The thing is with Mesmers is that we have different skills that work better or worse depending what we're doing. Some skills work in PVP that dont work in PVE. And vice versa.
Because of that, what most people dont realize is that the PVE skills allow for some of the best combo choices in the game. A good mesmer in PVE will get the job done, disrupt and take down the enemies in record speeds, and his team will never know he did a thing. sounds like ur talking about leaving an enemy useless(hexes) +(drained) and leaving your team to kill him.... sounds like a weaker version of what the necro can do
And i said they arn't in high demand, never said that someone who knows what they are doing can't be useful, never said mesmers suck, I loved my mesmer.... but only seemed powerful in pvp.... as far as uw and fow i could never find a group
The thing is with Mesmers is that we have different skills that work better or worse depending what we're doing. Some skills work in PVP that dont work in PVE. And vice versa.
Because of that, what most people dont realize is that the PVE skills allow for some of the best combo choices in the game. A good mesmer in PVE will get the job done, disrupt and take down the enemies in record speeds, and his team will never know he did a thing. sounds like ur talking about leaving an enemy useless(hexes) +(drained) and leaving your team to kill him.... sounds like a weaker version of what the necro can do
And i said they arn't in high demand, never said that someone who knows what they are doing can't be useful, never said mesmers suck, I loved my mesmer.... but only seemed powerful in pvp.... as far as uw and fow i could never find a group
Arcanis the Omnipotent
No actually, if anyone is the weaker side its the Necro. Also a mesmer does it faster, and more efficiently. Case in point being that a Mesmer has not only the ability to do all this, but to be his own support aswell. Energy Regain, something a Necro cant do to himself until after an enemy dies.
As for not being in high demand, thus the point of this topic. Undervalued.
As for not being in high demand, thus the point of this topic. Undervalued.
Dragannia
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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
sounds like ur talking about leaving an enemy useless(hexes) +(drained) and leaving your team to kill him.... sounds like a weaker version of what the necro can do
And i said they arn't in high demand, never said that someone who knows what they are doing can't be useful, never said mesmers suck, I loved my mesmer.... but only seemed powerful in pvp.... as far as uw and fow i could never find a group Ha, yeah right.
Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy.
Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds?
And i said they arn't in high demand, never said that someone who knows what they are doing can't be useful, never said mesmers suck, I loved my mesmer.... but only seemed powerful in pvp.... as far as uw and fow i could never find a group Ha, yeah right.
Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy.
Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds?
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
No actually, if anyone is the weaker side its the Necro. Also a mesmer does it faster, and more efficiently. Case in point being that a Mesmer has not only the ability to do all this, but to be his own support aswell. Energy Regain, something a Necro cant do to himself until after an enemy dies.
As for not being in high demand, thus the point of this topic. Undervalued. I never knew a necro couldn't REGAIN energy, oh yea whats that skill, lol Offering of blood......you should know both sides of the argument before you try to make one
As for not being in high demand, thus the point of this topic. Undervalued. I never knew a necro couldn't REGAIN energy, oh yea whats that skill, lol Offering of blood......you should know both sides of the argument before you try to make one
Arcanis the Omnipotent
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Originally Posted by Dragannia
Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy.
Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds?
Keep it civil.
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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
I never knew a necro couldn't REGAIN energy, oh yea whats that skill, lol Offering of blood......you should know both sides of the argument before you try to make one
HA! One skill. Mesmers have 3-4 skills for energy regain. That they can use on themselves. Also, Offering of Blood Requires a sacrifice of health, along with energy cost. It is no way comparable to Mesmer energy regains
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Dragannia
Ha, yeah right.
Spinal Shivers is crap on say, a Monk. He spans Reversal a few times and you're out of energy. Can, say, a Necro disable an enemy skill for 50+ seconds? Can a Necro disable an entire skill bar? Can he single handily cause two warriors to move at a snail's pace? Can he drain 50 energy less than ten seconds? I beg to differ..Spinal Shivers on a boss or a monk lets say during oro farming.. Interupts from the Echo SS necro + The MM.... and i never run out of energy because i'm a mesmer secondary most of the time
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
Now now, no need to get into a spitting contest.
Keep it civil. HA! One skill. Mesmers have 3-4 skills for energy regain. That they can use on themselves. Also, Offering of Blood Requires a sacrifice of health, along with energy cost. It is no way comparable to Mesmer energy regains do u know anything about Offering of Blood.... to self-battery its all the energy regain you need, not to mention Necros who choose to be mesmer secondaries can use your energy management skills...... and I haven't even touched SOUL REAPING as far as regaining energy, I do, everytime anything dies
Arcanis the Omnipotent
And yet, while you try to cast these skills at a reasonable time, I will have drained you dry with fast casting long before.
I mean, you'd be in real trouble if you tried to cast Energy Tap with a 3 second cast time. And you yourself have said it, you wouldnt be able to do half as much energy regain without mesmer skills. And in truth, you'd be regaining alot faster as well as casting your necro skills alot faster if you were a mesmer primary. Its why Me/N's are considered the most dangerous in PVP, not the reverse.
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
And yet, while you try to cast these skills at a reasonable time, I will have drained you dry with fast casting long before.
I mean, you'd be in real trouble if you tried to cast Energy Tap with a 3 second cast time. And you yourself have said it, you wouldnt be able to do half as much energy regain without mesmer skills. And in truth, you'd be regaining alot faster as well as casting your necro skills alot faster if you were a mesmer primary. Its why Me/N's are considered the most dangerous in PVP, not the reverse. i said about 3 times now mesmers rock in pvp....... been talking about pve in pvp i'de bet on a mesmer over a necro anyday.. but for pve.. It would be like saying an Echo SS/SV Me/N is better than a N/Me.. which is so far from true... seeing 16 curses rocks your fast casting anyday in terms of kill speed! in pve, stick to interupting in pvp, stick to shutdown
Banebow
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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
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As for necros being "better" in PvE, well, you are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be. You preach spinal shivers as perfect anti-monk shutdown, but ignore the fact that while you are wanding away at a monk you are not casting spiteful spirit, or anything else for that matter. Your shutdown needs constant maintenance , comes with a stupidly high energy cost, and is not controllable to the degree that good shutdown is. A mesmers shutdown is fire and forget, two diversions and the monk is gone for the entire fight.
Quote: Originally Posted by Undead Preacher It would be like saying an Echo SS/SV Me/N is better than a N/Me.. which is so far from true... seeing 16 curses rocks your fast casting anyday in terms of kill speed! No kidding. But then, only fools of mesmers take SS as their elite, so what exactly is your point? That you can SS better than I can? Shocking. I bet my power block is better than yours too, but do we care? I doubt it, since it is irrelevant. Mesmers do not run the same builds as necromancers. Warriors don't try to run builds that elementalists use either, and for good reason.
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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
in pve, stick to interupting
in pvp, stick to shutdown Are you serious, or just being sarcastic? If you really are serious, then I suggest you go look at the skills "empathy" and "shatter hex". You might find a few things interisting.
Undead Preacher
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Originally Posted by Banebow
Someone once said this to me about rangers. That was a funny day.
As for necros being "better" in PvE, well, you are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be. You preach spinal shivers as perfect anti-monk shutdown, but ignore the fact that while you are wanding away at a monk you are not casting spiteful spirit, or anything else for that matter. Your shutdown needs constant maintenance , comes with a stupidly high energy cost, and is not controllable to the degree that good shutdown is. A mesmers shutdown is fire and forget, two diversions and the monk is gone for the entire fight. No kidding. But then, only fools of mesmers take SS as their elite, so what exactly is your point? That you can SS better than I can? Shocking. I bet my power block is better than yours too, but do we care? I doubt it, since it is irrelevant. Mesmers do not run the same builds as necromancers. Warriors don't try to run builds that elementalists use either, and for good reason. Are you serious, or just being sarcastic? If you really are serious, then I suggest you go look at the skills "empathy" and "shatter hex". You might find a few things interisting. Not once did i say necros were better than mesmers for shutting down monks, i said they were higher in demand for other reasons and can still do the trick.... mesmers = pvp necros = pve similiar professions, varied capabilities... i have said mesmers are the best shutdown characters.... but when it comes down to pve, other professions can make up for the lack of a mesmer.... which is harder to do with other professions.... with your attitude its easy to tell mesmer is your primary character that u play, lol, my opinion is a lil less biased seeing I play All professions.... but oh well.. some people are stuck in their ways.... I was thinking about creating another mesmer, and then I realized I might as well make him pvp seeing thats all he's good for, and yes, i'm very serious, lmfao.... nah that was a joke, if u read all my post its not that mesmers arn't useful, they are... just not as needed or lets say this different.... they don't fit as well into the team builds that people are playing nowadays.... like the typical uw or fow team build, or the oro farming builds... or even the new tombs builds...... thats why i say stick to pvp...... drainers are high demand there, and thats where they own 
Banebow
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Originally Posted by Undead Preacher
with your attitude its easy to tell mesmer is your primary character that u play, lol, my opinion is a lil less biased seeing I play All professions
Actually, it is a PvP warrior. My attitude comes from the statement that mesmers are effectivly pointless in PvE and should stick to PvP. Shall we say that elementalists should stick to PvE because warriors can cause more damage in PvP?
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