Mesmer Are Truly Undervalued.

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Well green had some cool stuff... I still liked Urza Block's blue cards the best though. Favorite storyline as well.

Though really, M:tG green has no representation in GW... alot of it is creature boosting, and those are pretty scattered. Actually the most green spell I've seen is Chimera Of Intensity (can you say Overrun?). The ranger doesn't really encompass it... but the Ritualist looks like it might.

You still should have played blue

Banebow

Banebow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[KoA] Knights of the Alliance

Me/

Control decks ftw.

Still, I feel like we have strayed off-topic a bit. . .

Mesti Arcanus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Zealots of Shiverpeak

Me/E

Blue ftw!

Oddly enough (or perhaps not), I started GW as a Me/E, and out of all the guilds from Ravnica block, Izzet (although maybe Simic) is the one I most identify with, and enjoy. I think Izzet and is probably most similiar to Me/E

I think that (some of) the people who most enjoy Me are the players most prone to developing new builds, and tweaking them to "perfection" (as close as you can get in GW anyways). As well, the players who enjoy crunching numbers to optimize things are (I think) likely to fall into this category as well. This is the same thing that I enjoy in M:tG, go figure.

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Blue/Green Terravore FTW! Non-conformity FTW!

Golgari is quite fun, though.

Although I'm playing UBw control right now.

It's probably not co-incidence that most good Mezzes are MtG players.

However, both in M:tG and in GW, I spend 99.8% creating builds and figuring how to play, and .2% playing. o_O

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

I used to play a Cephalid deck. Aboshan kthx. Can't fight rushing decks but invulnerable vs everything else.

Whaat, it was fun

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

Me/

My decks always ended up being based around certain ideals.

My favorite decks are based on the Decrees of Karona cards. Decree of Pain being my favorite.

The Blue one, Decree of Silence, I turned that card into a stalemate game over card. If you guys are interested in continuing this M:tg disscussion, I have my decks posted on Anycraze still.

Dragannia

Dragannia

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

Me/N

Bah, you guys suck. Blue/Black milling FTW! Of course, I don't pack any Millstones, only Glimpses. Right now I'm experimenting with a W/B control deck.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Off topic: Anyone know a good teal or light jade dye mix for courtly armor.

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Come on, we're all off topic anyways.

Traumatize + Terravore FTW! I usually kill in 6 turns, since they think that guy who's using a random Terravore in this "ultimatt n00bz0rz x10000" U/G deck is useless. Then traumatize comes into play. Those were fun times.

Anyone want my decklist, since I've stopped using that deck in favor for a Fallen Angel deck.

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Arcanis the Omnipotent

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nova Alliance

Me/

Arcanis' Decks at Anycraze

And a direct link to my Arcanis Deck
Arcanis the Omnipotent

felinette

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

Had a funny experience with my mesmer yesterday. Was out with a PUG and noticed that a couple of warriors were pounding on a Dolnyk Master without much luck--it was still at almost full health. Focused on the dolnyk and took it down very quickly. One of the warriors said, "WTF happened? What killed it?" LOL. Guess he'd never been out with a (decent) mesmer.

So there are definitely players who don't understand or appreciate what a mesmer can do.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

From the sounds of the guy didn't know what a mesmer was. Don't you just feel loved. xD

I can't wait till factions. New armor here I come.

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Terravore
4 Millikin
4 Carven Carytid/Ambush Commander
2 Ambassador Laquatus

4 Traumatize
4 Glimpse the Unthinkable
4 Lotus Petal
4 Saproling Burst
2 Whetstone
3 Altar of Dementia

4 Duskmantle, House of Shadow
8 Forest
7 Swamps
5 Island

Incomplete, but still owns quite well.

Should we go back on topic?

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

We were on topic again, until you came along like a rogue comet and sent us spinning off again

Quote:
Had a funny experience with my mesmer yesterday. Was out with a PUG and noticed that a couple of warriors were pounding on a Dolnyk Master without much luck--it was still at almost full health. Focused on the dolnyk and took it down very quickly. One of the warriors said, "WTF happened? What killed it?" LOL. Guess he'd never been out with a (decent) mesmer. Bwahahaha. So... what did you use to kill it?

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Today was strange. I went into a mission with a group of idiots because I was bored. When we got their the elementalist ran into a large group of monsters and the warriors stood back like they we're the ones who needed protection. Next thing I know the warriors are dead and they are saying "REZ ME STUPID MONK" they were speaking to me. I literally told them "Sorry I can't ressurect you. Your corpse has been used by a necro. Got to wait 10 minutes. And starting again won't work you'll die as soon as you enter the mission again." These guys actually fell for it. And being the cheaky little mesmer I am. I river danced on their heads. And then one of them said red engine. Which brings me to the point of this post. What does red engine mean? *Watches people fall backwards off seats*

felinette

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Bwahahaha. So... what did you use to kill it?
Nothing fancy. Empathy, Wastrel's, and a couple of well-timed interrupts (one doing major damage--forget the name--Power something).

Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaKai
I went into a mission with a group of idiots because I was bored. When we got their the elementalist ran into a large group of monsters and the warriors stood back like they we're the ones who needed protection. Next thing I know the warriors are dead and they are saying "REZ ME STUPID MONK" they were speaking to me. I literally told them "Sorry I can't ressurect you. Your corpse has been used by a necro. Got to wait 10 minutes. And starting again won't work you'll die as soon as you enter the mission again." These guys actually fell for it. And being the cheaky little mesmer I am. I river danced on their heads. And then one of them said red engine. Which brings me to the point of this post. What does red engine mean? *Watches people fall backwards off seats* I believe that on this forum, at least, it's used as a substitute for the f-word. As far as idiots go, I attempted Thunderhead Keep for the first time last night. What an experience--I needed valium afterwards. Tried twice with the first PUG--useless, with rushing warriors and players who don't know when to run away. I can't tell you how many times I was the only one left standing. Thank god for rebirth. Wish I'd river danced on their heads for a while first. Might have relieved some of the tension.

On top of that, we had two monks who apparently didn't realize that the eight pictures at the bottom of their screen are skills they can use. We noticed that one remained at the start of the mission. Some of the others started swearing at him--he claimed he was healing us from where he was standing, which was off the mini-map relative to where we all were. Um, sure. Didn't end well.

Second PUG was better, but again, some warriors aggroed too much. Went back to town, dumped the warriors, picked up a few new players, took the two monk henchies, and completed the mission.

Lesson learned: The monk henchies rock!

That's my mesmer story for today. I've currently got a warrior in pre. She'll never aggro...she plans to hench as much as possible, too.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Quote:
Originally Posted by felinette
Nothing fancy. Empathy, Wastrel's, and a couple of well-timed interrupts (one doing major damage--forget the name--Power something).


I believe that on this forum, at least, it's used as a substitute for the f-word. As far as idiots go, I attempted Thunderhead Keep for the first time last night. What an experience--I needed valium afterwards. Tried twice with the first PUG--useless, with rushing warriors and players who don't know when to run away. I can't tell you how many times I was the only one left standing. Thank god for rebirth. Wish I'd river danced on their heads for a while first. Might have relieved some of the tension.

On top of that, we had two monks who apparently didn't realize that the eight pictures at the bottom of their screen are skills they can use. We noticed that one remained at the start of the mission. Some of the others started swearing at him--he claimed he was healing us from where he was standing, which was off the mini-map relative to where we all were. Um, sure. Didn't end well.

Second PUG was better, but again, some warriors aggroed too much. Went back to town, dumped the warriors, picked up a few new players, took the two monk henchies, and completed the mission.

Lesson learned: The monk henchies rock!

That's my mesmer story for today. I've currently got a warrior in pre. She'll never aggro...she plans to hench as much as possible, too. I remember my first time doing thunderhead. The monks we're idiots for the most part. Hello stupid stupid warriors and monks. You can't beat a mursaat spellcaster easily when the mesmers dead. Not forgetting the hords of jade armors around them. When they did res me I ran of the sat somewhere nice. They had no idea where I went. lol One key rules. "Never piss of the mesmer."

Mesti Arcanus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Zealots of Shiverpeak

Me/E

I remember one trip I took into THead with a PUG and henchie monks. One of our players got booted right off the bat, so we went back to get him, by suiciding. We triggered the boss pack after the first bridge, and I proceeded to Riverdance until I died... it took us quite a while to die though, Mhenlo was so good. He'd keep healing us, and ressing us. It was quite funny to see all the enemies around us, and our health only dropping slowly. Too bad that was the one time we actually wanted him to stop!

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesti Arcanus
I remember one trip I took into THead with a PUG and henchie monks. One of our players got booted right off the bat, so we went back to get him, by suiciding. We triggered the boss pack after the first bridge, and I proceeded to Riverdance until I died... it took us quite a while to die though, Mhenlo was so good. He'd keep healing us, and ressing us. It was quite funny to see all the enemies around us, and our health only dropping slowly. Too bad that was the one time we actually wanted him to stop!
It wasn't Mhenlo, it was the dance. I wouldn't go near that kinda thing!

Quote: What does red engine mean? *falls of seat*

It's the forum's automatic censorship to replace various words with RED ENGINE GO (repeated).

Quote:
Nothing fancy. Empathy, Wastrel's, and a couple of well-timed interrupts (one doing major damage--forget the name--Power something). Power Spike, a good tool to stop a mark of protection from a dolyakmaster.

Banebow

Banebow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[KoA] Knights of the Alliance

Me/

I prefer shatter enchantment myself, that way when I lag. . .

Still those warriors will not likely remember that it was you who killed the dolyak master, more likely they will think the nuker decided to attack him or some such foolery. Or, if they remember, they will think that mesmers are great to kill monks, but since they did not see you help in anything else (even though you helped greatly) they assume mesmers are good for killing monks and nothing else.

Maybe I am biased, but this seems to be the general consensus in game.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Banebow
Or, if they remember, they will think that mesmers are great to kill monks, but since they did not see you help in anything else (even though you helped greatly) they assume mesmers are good for killing monks and nothing else When you're setting for anti casters, its hard to kill a warrior and vice versa. Well, at least you can use your teammates as a Hex shatter bomb in THK. Its really a good mission to use Shatter hex thought.

Thorath Of Krosa

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Cornville,Arizona USA

Urban Storm Troopers [USTG] (Leader)

W/Mo

I am a w/mo and i would like to say that i have never played as a Me before but id take any of you in a group any day (especially if you were infused and wanted to try and take on that big group of mursatt) i always get beat or hurt badly agianst mesmers and respect you all (ill just never start one cuz standing in the back bugs the hell out of me) but i will admit that without you guys the world would be a hard place to live in.

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorath Of Krosa
I am a w/mo and i would like to say that i have never played as a Me before but id take any of you in a group any day (especially if you were infused and wanted to try and take on that big group of mursatt) i always get beat or hurt badly agianst mesmers and respect you all (ill just never start one cuz standing in the back bugs the hell out of me) but i will admit that without you guys the world would be a hard place to live in. Well, at least we got a compliment from a W/Mo.

felinette

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Banebow
Maybe I am biased, but this seems to be the general consensus in game. I don't know, I find that many players do know the value of mesmers. I've made it to the ring of fire and I've not yet had a problem getting into a group. Having said that, there are definitely players who have no clue what mesmers do, or why it's generally good to have one in your party.

I have a monk character, and in some ways, I'd say she's worse off. Do a good job and nobody notices. Someone screws up and you get blamed. Nobody ever blames the mesmer, since they don't expect much from them. I'll probably create another mesmer at some point to try out a different profession combo or focus on a different skill school. I'm not in a hurry to create another monk.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorath Of Krosa
I am a w/mo and i would like to say that i have never played as a Me before but id take any of you in a group any day (especially if you were infused and wanted to try and take on that big group of mursatt) i always get beat or hurt badly agianst mesmers and respect you all (ill just never start one cuz standing in the back bugs the hell out of me) but i will admit that without you guys the world would be a hard place to live in. Well that's a first for me. Most W/Mo I meet are often condisending. Your probably the most humble one i've ever met.

Cirian

Cirian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European Union

The Amazon Basin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
Got news for ya necro, Spiteful is actually a mesmer domination elite, put under curses. Its the elite empathy. Just catching up with this thread Avarre, you can't have Spiteful Spirit! It does way more than empathy does but that doesn't make it the elite empathy

Necromancers have their own version of Empathy called Insidious Parasite - both trigger off attacks. Necromancers also have their own Backfire, called Soul Leech - both trigger off spells. While the mesmer versions are more damaging, the necromancer ones are lifesteals.

Spiteful Spirit triggers off attacks and spells... and signets, skills, traps, glyphs, activation of stances, shouts... hell, if the victim so much as farts they take damage! It's also aoe, which to me makes it the elite Mark of Pain or Dark Aura. Mesmers have nothing like this... the closest forms of aoe chaos damage I can think of are quite different - Chaos Storm, Shatter Hex, Cry of Frustration, Energy Surge. Now if Chaos Storm stuck to the victim you cast it on, then you'd have something vaguely like Spiteful Spirit! It's quite visual too, so I imagine mesmers would get loads of groups with an ability like that

Maybe Spiteful Spirit was a mesmer ability way in the past before I started playing, but I think it's rightly a mighty necromancer curse now

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirian
Just catching up with this thread Avarre, you can't have Spiteful Spirit! It does way more than empathy does but that doesn't make it the elite empathy

Necromancers have their own version of Empathy called Insidious Parasite - both trigger off attacks
Forgot one thing, while the target is blind, Insidious parasite doesn't work. Empathy yes. The target must hit a foe to trigger Insidious parasite.