[Renamed]Should Fame be Wiped?

Is it possible that there will be a fame wipe? That's what everybody is saying in Heroes Ascent. They say they get Rank to get to HoH and get items from chest, but when Factions comes out there will be a fame wipe. Can anyone shed some light on this subject?

no fame will not be wiped

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=86

nuff said..

Ok, cool, thanks for replies.
Bunch of crazy people running around in Heroes I guess...

Probably going against the grain here, but I personally think that fame should be wiped with the new chapter (and with all new chapters).

How is a new player to the game supposed to stand ANY chance of getting into a group when everyone else is running around with Rank 6+ (likely farmed from IWAY)? Maybe some consider this an important noob filter, but I think it just breeds elitism.

With a fame wipe, everyone would start off at the same level, even if prophecy players would gain fame faster due to previous experience. In order to balance for the 6 month new chapter release, they could just tweak the numbers.

All a moot point due to what the dev's had said, just wanted to supply some brain food

Even if fame was wiped, it just means IWAY will probably be used alot more for more fame farming to rebuild the ranks again so people can once again join rank teams. Not to dis the IWAY skill, I just think they need to rework the time on it, instead of 10 secs per allied body to maybe someting from #...#secs. Oh well, at least many will be able to keep their "1337" rank emote to show off their egos of how much fame farming they did with IWAY build.

Lol wipe out fame, can't you see that Iway is somewhat lessend after the updates. Those who used to run it , don't run it, not even trying it anymore. But there are now many new modded Iways.

Maybe nice in theory, but this fantasy would require constant fame wipes because there are new players every day. That would be pretty stupid :\

What would happen if RA and TA gave fame as well? Like a cumulative +1 fame for ever 5 wins?

Then again the HAers would probably just bitch and moan.

If there was a Fame Wipe, I'm pretty sure M E A T B A L L would be pretty pissed off for all the work he did getting to Rank 12.

well i think they will need to do something in the future about fame. Just think about it, 3 chapters from now there will be all these rank 12 teams and so on and so forth, while those ppl who just bought chapter 3, they wont have any fame, and will have a long way to catch up. Of course they will probably add more stuff sorta like tombs, but either having some other kind of ranknig system, or just not using anything like that at all.

Not wanting to start a flame thread or anything, but you think IWAY is WORK?

meatball did not iway.

I certainly hope Anet doesn't decide to do a fame wipe... took me 9 months to get to rank 3. x_x

Topic renamed, because, as indicated in a reference to a Gaile post, there are no plans at the current time for a fame wipe, and I felt the topic title might be a tad misleading.

To be succesful with IWAY you have always needed some skill

iway just takes the work out of putting a group together

i think that there should be a loss of fame when you lose in the tournament. the higher up you are the more loss. like no loss for the first couple of matches. but after the first 2 there should be a small fame loss when you lose. it would keep fame from getting too inflated. anet should have thought of this in the beginning. everyone knows that for a healthy viable system there needs to be loss and gain in the system in order to keep new people able to get in.

The Fame system was originally intended more as a show-off tool, something to brag about to your friends about how much and how successful you've been in PvP. Thus, in this perspective, there is no system to "get in" to. You're not being "left behind" because it's just for fun. It's not hard to imagine how this would turn into a "noob filter", but it's always easier given hindsight.

It's not too great of a feature at the moment, many people can agree to that, even ANet employees. I wouldn't be surprised if it's reworked a little, but unless it's almost completely redone in a different way it would be pointless to reset it.

He spiritspammed, necro spiked, and ranger spiked.

You can't reset fame just for the simple fact that people worked for theres and wiping it out would be VERY frustrating.

Yeah because it's the system that's flawed right? Lets forget the people who put forth the idea that you have to be rank whatever to get into their group.

Actually I have a better idea, lets wipe all fame AND unlocks every time a new chapter comes out! How great would that be!

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=43

I have a better idea

Wipe fame for all those below r9.

For crying out loud, how about wiping all PvE characters and items since people took advantage of farming areas before they were nerfed?

People who joined the game at the beginning shouldn't be penalized to make it "fair" for new players. Fame is a reward for those who have put their time into the game much more than new players have. Anyway, removing fame during factions would cause a few problems:
1. Prolly half of America as well as ppl from other places would get super pissed and not buy Factions.
2. Anyone rank 6+ would spend the rest of eternity complaining about it.
3. Most all rank 9+ would prolly quit the game.
4. Any and all rank 12+ would instantly commit suicide :P

hell, while we're at it why don't we clear all inventories of gold, items and armor!! so that it would make the game "Fair" !!! yeah!!

No, fame should not be wiped because some people DID work hard without using any of the farming builds to get their rank.

However....

Supposedly you all agree that rank is to SHOW OFF your hard work and dedication, so...I think they should make it so that rank emoticon won't show in the group forming area. This way you can show off your experience all you want during fight .

I don't see why people would disagree with this...unless if they are the elite ****s that plagues the HA today. Supposedly rank should not be a number that gives advantage to certain people (in that they get group in a fraction of what it takes new players to get into group).

Just like the kiddy baseball games where everybody wins because the parents and teachers don't want their children feeling like they're not good enough.

I'm guessing the people who want the wipe were brought up like this.

Ya, this "I don't have it, so you don't" and "I have this, you don't so you suck" duo plagues every Online RPG games. Guild Wars managed to solve this somewhat by having items in pve that only have cosmetic improvement over collecter items and droknar's armor. This is why I really dislike the fissure armor whiners since it makes absolutely no difference.

The thing with rank though is that it makes a great difference, to the point that it extremely frustrates the newer player, and that makes the game no fun. No fun, people leaves. That is a bane to many online RPG, where population starts to dwindle rapidly, then the elite ppl complain that there are so few people to play with (pwn and laugh at) and they quit too.

Personally, I think that is a GREAT idea. You can still have rank/fame and still show off to your friends, but this way you can't just be an elitest sob.

/signed to this

I would agree with you, fame has really hurt the pvp side of the bad. If anet does not do something it will soon effect gvg.

/signed twice, over, and over and over.

and this would keep those "Rank 9 Nerds" (its a saying me and a friend came up so escuse me) from destroying new players abuility to play and if these Rank 9 sobs really want to form a r9 group they could send guest invites to people to come to there guild hall and flash emote then travel back to HA and go in... this modification to fame would help everyone...well except the Ranked sobs.. (no offense )

the only other idea I have was that at like every 25k faction you gain fame.... or some how incorporate it into PvE so like the amount of xp it takes to get from level 1 -20 or so grants you 1 fame. or the amount of monsters you kill grants you 1 fame but that would encourage farming.... so yea... mabye the amount of bosses you killl.

sorry if i make no sense.

Getting fame through other PvP sources makes sense, but not from PvE. PvE players have their fissure armor to show off. There is no reason to get it from PvE.

Your emote isn't there to just show off, it's to prove you're worthy of playing with a group of people you don't know that are at the same level as you are. The emotes are cool things to show off, but what else do ppl do with em? they ask you to emote before they let you in the group to make sure you have as much experience as you say you do. If you couldn't show your emote in towns then ppl would lie their bums off and no one would know until you've already entered tombs. Then what would we be left to do? The only way to find a group would be to play with ppl you know and have played with before. Problem here is, all your friends aren't always on at the same time as you are, and they're not always wanting to do the same thing as you. I don't PvP all the time and neither do a lot of ppl I know, sometimes they're PvEing. This would create an extreme inconvenience and there would be 10 times as many people complaining about not having the emotes as there are ppl complaining about having the emotes. You don't have high rank? sorry...you'll just have to win more games. Everyone had to start out in terrible groups and work their way up, why should we let new ppl slide and not have to do what every single one of us had to do to earn our standing? If you're rank 2 or w/e but think you play better than your rank, if you really are better then you'll be noticed by teammates, and people will invite you to join them again later. Getting noticed is almost the only way to rise above your standing. Either you get noticed by playing above the level of those around you, or get noticed by earning an emote after playing countless terrible matches and getting some wins. Other than this you can also try and arrange stuff with your guild, which usually runs smoother than random ppl. Oh, and the comment about sending guest invites to ppls guilds...So you're saying we should have ppl paying 100g each time they just wanna check on someone's rank? that's insane. You guys are coming up with all these excuses and alternatives but don't see that your alternatives would cause even more chaos and/or inconvenience. If you spent less time trying to petition getting rid of emotes and more time playing, maybe you'd have an emote for yourself :/

"/sign" this post. I dare you :O

What inconvenience? If I recall, all updates applies to all players, no exception. So what if you can't check rank? All it would mean is that every PUG would be more balanced, with the same chance of getting a noob, and the same chance of getting a good player. This encourage less fame farming and cookie cutter build. It would give all the new players a chance to get more involved in PVP and build their own social network from good players they meet, and all the "not so good" players a chance to learn instead of playing first round over and over.

Seriously to all you high rankers...do you LIKE iway? Are you one of the people who complain the hall is boring cuz of it?

The reason is because of the elite people who says "go win more, noob" without thinking that they can't even get into a normal group without LFG for an hr. Fine, they will go "win more" by taking the most easy to make boring build and farm all day.

I am currently Rank 5, but I have been through all the tedious grinding 1 fame at a time, without iway. Shouldn't a game continuously evolve to be better? Grinding passed on and on to newer players is not a good thing for a game.

I personally see nothing wrong with having fame, emotes, etc. I have no rank, and I hate having to wait forever to get into a group. But I would regret seeing fame done away with.

To those who say that fame should be awarded for other things that HA, I think you are wrong. The style of play doesn't match up well enough. So you got 50,000 Faction by winning in RA, big deal. How many matches did it take you before you hit on a good build? Can you work cohesively with 7 other people? Can you strategize? Success in PvE or RA doesn't necessarily equate to success in HA in my opinion.

I was just as pissed to see people farming fame with IWAY as others, but I realized that it would pass and the ones with artificially inflated numbers would be revealed. You don't like how certain things are? You have two options: Work on it like the rest of us, or don't participate. Flame on.

And that is why only the emoticon should be removed, then there will be no reason to farm fame. Then it'll be easier for everyone to find a group to play with, and that leads to more variety of builds and strategy. Which means a more active and less boring environment, and more people to play with.

I think fame's a good thing for people who want to play in elite groups, but there should deffinitely be some other way to gain it. Maybe fame from TA or RA even. All they have to do is offer it in smaller amounts from those places the same way they do with faction.

You're probably dreaming of a perfect world, too...

If you're Rank 5 you should be experienced enough in HA to guess what would happen in this case: People would STOP playing with unknown people because there would be no way to know for them if they are up to their standards. Instead they only would play with people from their guild or friends list anymore. Forming groups will become HARDER, not easier. Do you really think a Rank 12 would form a "pick 8 and go" group with some people without making sure that the people will sufficiently perform? Come on...

I have said this on countless of other threads on this topic: The main problem is NOT the rank system, it's the lack of an in game group assembling system.

Thank god, this is the comparison I've been looking for to explain while wiping fame would be so silly. Thankee. I shall save a copy of your quote so I can use it over and over :P Hopefully after Factions comes out all these "zomg wipe all fame" posts will stop. But of course they won't

You forgot one thing though, many people does not have a huge friends network even if they have a decent rank. Guilds doesn't always have enough people for HA always, and there will always be "left overs", where there are a bit too many people.

If anything, it would be more encouraging when its "ohh, we lost to a guild group" than "We lost cuz we are unranked and they are (even though that isn't always true, people usually think using numbers)"