W/mo , were not all that bad , just a lot of idiots give us a bad name - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

19 Mar 2006 at 16:48 - 1

oh god, im sick of idiots calling me a total noob just whenever i play w/mo (i do change my second proffesion constaly but 1/2 of my builds are w/mo)

i get so anoyyed , i was bored so i was going for some avicara farming , i left grainite cidital solo as my w/mo with my avicara build and this guy just pm's me

jerk> Hey sorry to say but nooby w/mo's cant farm IDS hahahahaha

me> im not ids farming, im going aviacara farming

jerk> hahahah noob get your mending in gear

me> O_O

OK NOT ALL W/MO'S ARE IDIOTS , YES THERE ARE A FEW, and most anoyying thing of all , ABOUT 1 of my builds has mending

, out of like 20 , i use my w/mo sometimes as just a utility

*balthzars spirit (energy managment)
*eccence bond (same)

and in random arenas i hardly ever use a w/mo , and if i do its always pure warrior with succor for a monk , or life bond for a monk

breaks the heart to see a premade paladin run around in the areas claiming he owns the world

anyone else get problems when playing as w/mo (and you know what your doing)

I've just been shouted at in the middle of no where "OI wammo you noob!" , i been pm'd stuff tooo

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

19 Mar 2006 at 16:52 - 2

i'd like to think of myself as a good wammo, i usually simply go pure warrior and the /mo is for res, its just the people who think that warriors > all other classes give us a bad name

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

19 Mar 2006 at 16:54 - 3

yeah its just grrr!!!!!!

Sirkaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

London/Uk

The Lost Saracens

E/Mo

19 Mar 2006 at 16:57 - 4

Warrior/monk is the best for farming but for pvp no. Im a warrior/monk nothing wrong with it but you got jerks online who know nothing about builds(warrior/monk for Troll farming,etten farming,FOW,UW its so universal and IDS farming is easily done with it.

Ohh that jerk say's warrior/monks cant do IDS he's wrong many monk spells help more in farming than attack spell's isnt Holy Veil surposed to be good?

Dahnel

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Rt/Me

19 Mar 2006 at 17:01 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

YES THERE ARE A FEW

Understatment of the year,

But being a warrior myself i refuse to play w/mo unless i really, really, really have to . My favs are w/n and w/me , and yes warrior monks have gotten a very bad name because of the legions of idiots that seem to think that /mo is the only way to augment yourself as a warrior.

Asprah

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Croatia

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

N/A

19 Mar 2006 at 17:02 - 6

I think Wamos have bad reputation bcs they were used by lots of noobs in PVP. I agree that they are prolly best warrior farmers in pve and not bad tanks-but in pvp they suck.

Autumn_Leaf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Taunton, Mass.

19 Mar 2006 at 17:07 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahnel

But being a warrior myself i refuse to play w/mo unless i really, really, really have to .

well i'll play whatever suits the situation. i refuse to not play a proffesion due to steriotypes.

Linda Heartilly

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

W/Mo

19 Mar 2006 at 17:07 - 8

It is indeed a pain that people are generalizing.
Yes, there are many noobs out there and yes a lot of them have a W/Mo but hardly any more than any of the other professions.

The thing with a warrior is that it's easily noticed if they act stupid because they're in the front like taking the hits, so if they make a wrong move they're dead.
If for example an elementalist makes a wrong move... or does this all the time because he doesn't have a clue to play, but just got to the point where he's at with his eBay gold this is hardly noticed.
The only difference you could see is it takes a bit longer to kill the enemy, cause the ele doesn't do any damage.
I think it's mainly for this reason that W/Mo's are more often considered noobs than any others.

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

19 Mar 2006 at 17:10 - 9

I've noticed it seems as if wammos tend to be the ones who run headlong into the next battle regardless of the casters/monks toggling low on energy. All I can figure is since they have Mending on themselves and they believe themselves to be the be-all and end-all of the game anyhow, they think they won't need healing and so a monk's energy level is unimportant?

Not all, by any means, but a goodly number (especially at under level 20).

Husband plays his wammo quite nicely. He equips a heal skill and resurrect and the rest damage. He tries (and usually succeeds) to control the aggro and lets the casters do their job of softening the foes up for his killing blows.

Bob912

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Luxons Are Better

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 17:13 - 10

i play a w/mo and i have to stand in a mission spamming LFG 4 like 10-15 min b4 i finally get a grp
it rly annoying that ppl think an entire profession r noobs. iv read everywhere that there is no right or wrong profession combos, so y must ppl be prejudiced against us?

Sirkaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

London/Uk

The Lost Saracens

E/Mo

19 Mar 2006 at 17:14 - 11

Warrior/monk for farming nothing else...

Tainek

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

[Rage]

19 Mar 2006 at 17:18 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirkaze

Warrior/monk for farming nothing else...

I disagree, Conditions and hex's are most scary to a Warrior, and no class can purge better than a monk

Autumn_Leaf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Taunton, Mass.

19 Mar 2006 at 17:21 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirkaze

Warrior/monk for farming nothing else...

HATE CRIME!!!!

Linda Heartilly

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

W/Mo

19 Mar 2006 at 17:23 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by FalconDance

I've noticed it seems as if wammos tend to be the ones who run headlong into the next battle regardless of the casters/monks toggling low on energy. All I can figure is since they have Mending on themselves and they believe themselves to be the be-all and end-all of the game anyhow, they think they won't need healing and so a monk's energy level is unimportant?

Not quite, it's a form of tunnelvision rather.

The warrior is always in the frontline, the rest of the team behind him, he's up close with the enemy.
Also, most warriors require little to no energy at all, they're task is to kill whatever enemies there are as quick as they can so those can do as little damage as possible in which they are often assisted by damage from some casters.

In result of their focus, they tend to lose their view on the bigger picture which they're a part of thus forgetting about the monk and his/her energy.

An exmaple of this: I found myself doing a similar thing in PvP, I was always a caster first.
As a caster you stand in the back, you got a total picture, you see everything, your team, their team, you see people dying etc...
Then I started playing a warrior and in many cases these things that are all a part of the bigger picture - which you all saw as a caster - now take place behind you.
Sometimes, I would be so focussed on killing my target I didn't notice my team getting killed.
At one point I was just like: "Damm, they're all dead and I still had my Res Sig unused".

Having said this the warrior is for sure the class, followed by the ranger where this one will most easily find himself in such a position, however some people can also handle this problem of so called 'tunnelvision' easier than others by nature.

The Renegade Healer

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

NYC

Go Hoax Yourself [HOAX]

Mo/Me

19 Mar 2006 at 17:26 - 15

I occasionaly run W/Mo in randoms for knockdown and holy strike. Call me a noob now, but holy strike does quite a bit of damage. Also, lifebond and scrouge healing is a good idea, and mend condition to remove blind is definatly worth it. <rant>Jeez wammos, take off mending and put on mend (edit - ailment) instead, so you could stop bugging us monks to remove blind, do it yourself. I've only seen one wammo do this, ever, and he was calling me a noob for kiting.</rant>

Autumn_Leaf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Taunton, Mass.

19 Mar 2006 at 17:29 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linda Heartilly

Not quite, it's a form of tunnelvision rather.

The warrior is always in the frontline, the rest of the team behind him, he's up close with the enemy.
nature.

Lmao. so true. being a warrior your constantly in the midst of battle and can't get distrcted by the exchanging of blows. we just happen not to see the slaughter of teamates behind us.

Ajantis

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 17:31 - 17

mend condition does not work on yourself

Autumn_Leaf

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Taunton, Mass.

19 Mar 2006 at 17:36 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajantis

mend condition does not work on yourself

o snap it doesn't

Tigers Anger

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Master Casters [MC]

R/Me

19 Mar 2006 at 17:42 - 19

dont feel no pain loved to run W/Mo in GvG while in the Master Casters but we stopped him thus he made a thread complaining about it.

Anyway back on topic, Whammos are awesome farmers, but the problem is that everyone thinks they can farm, or tries to be a self-preserving warrior like everyone else but they don't understand that you can have the build, the skills and the gear but you don't have the experience or the skill. You have to work for that.

The generalisation that a legion of W/Mo's is trying to do all missions in game and dying on the first group with 2 monks is bad for the average W/Mo player and if there was any real challenge in any of the early missions in the game, we'd have a lot less 'n00b' whammos.

Tunnel vision can be avoided as long as you keep one eye on Party window all the time :P

Also mend condition can't remove blind from yourself, mend ailment can.

BTW, I do have a whammo. I use him for farming, running and soloing. I have been called a noob many times when I go on missions with PUGs saying that i am using the wrong weapon, or wrong skills. I have met many whammos who are, unmistakably noobish and complete idiots at this game. Does that make every whammo a noob? Well, most of them but not every :P

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

19 Mar 2006 at 17:56 - 20

I played a 'premade paladin' for alot of matches, and they are great, for faction farming and casual PvP. A team of 4 of them in team arenas can yield hilarious results...I.E. lots of wins.

Pyrea

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Outer Rim

Initiates of Maat

19 Mar 2006 at 18:01 - 21

Hey there

At the end of the day, the world is not a perfect place and the best thing to do is ignore peeps who call you noob etc.

You know better

Cottage Pie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Birmingham, England

Taking Aegis

Mo/Me

19 Mar 2006 at 18:02 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyrea

Hey there

At the end of the day, the world is not a perfect place and the best thing to do is ignore peeps who call you noob etc.

You know better

n00b!!1

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

19 Mar 2006 at 18:05 - 23

Haha, I was kicked off a fow chest run because I wasn't wammo, however, I was also getting the boot by ppl who though I can't run sanctum cay as Wames...

Sents

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Various

E/Me

19 Mar 2006 at 18:16 - 24

Quote:

At the end of the day, the world is not a perfect place and the best thing to do is ignore peeps who call you noob etc.

Cant really argue with that reasoning, and it leads to the most fun being had I find, let the haters, and the pigeonholers hang out in outposts(or forums

). I have lots of fun with a wide variety of players, and usually only really take notice of people proffesions if we are doing badley, by that I mean if its working great lets keep slaying, and Im always up for trying something different. I hate the formulaic attitude towards farming, Deldrimor War camp, The Tombs, FoTM builds that work, and requiire little skill its only several very small steps up from botting when taken to the extremes and really takes away from the spirit of the game, but thats probably another topic. As far as Whammos are concerened specifically I try to judge everyone individually,what I mean is Im more apt to remember bad players as opposed to bad proffesions I guess, to be honest, I really dont remember the bad players much, more the good ones, and Im glad for it.

Sirkaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

London/Uk

The Lost Saracens

E/Mo

19 Mar 2006 at 18:18 - 25

As i said we are mainly for farming but we are also great in mission's etc (I am a warrior/monk and prould of it!!) ok most warrior/monks are asshole's, due to thinking that they own blah blah but i only use my warrior to get some cash for the things i need.... being a warrior/monk doesnt mean its bad just not popular to jerks rofl

torquemada

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

guildless

19 Mar 2006 at 18:27 - 26

I have a W/N which avoids stereotypical wammo trouble. Had no n00b calling yet, except one though I had presear armor (had chainmal 50AL +20 vs piercing) i northern shivs. I don't count that, obviously

As for noobs, noobcallers etc. Just 2 points:

1. Warrior is always in the lead. All eyes are upon him (sry, I know it's already mentioned). Warriors are not an easy class (not for me anyways). I sweat a lot (much more then with my ele or necro) - always sprinting, shouting, target switching/cycling, getting a good position for some cyclone axe combo, protecting backline support, drawing aggro carefully but agressively enough not to get support in trouble...it's not as easy as it seems!
I'd also mention you're much more dependant on your equipment then other (support classes)...

2. I think some ppl rush because they still have adrenals charged and want to use them (...just gotta blow that executioner's in someone's face aaargh /roar...sprint...). I know it's silly...

Anyways, I know it's offtopic but considering necro secondary, any recommendations (I only use Plague Touch so far - to handle Conditions)?
I'm far from UAS for W mind you...am halfway through the missions with this particular char.

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 18:31 - 27

a real pvp Warrior doesnt use any skills from its 2nd profession... so you can play a W/Mo just fine in gvg

Capitan Del Queso

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Pacific Time Zone

Pheonix Ascension

19 Mar 2006 at 18:39 - 28

remember the gale-spamming axe war that they nerfed gale for? yeah.

merciless

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sin Squad www.sinsquad.us

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 18:39 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

a real pvp Warrior doesnt use any skills from its 2nd profession... so you can play a W/Mo just fine in gvg

Wrong... ever thought of; shock, tigers fury, after shock, holy strike (hmm?)

merciless

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sin Squad www.sinsquad.us

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 18:42 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capitan Del Queso

remember the gale-spamming axe war that they nerfed gale for? yeah.

No, I was too busy pissing on my lap...

Capitan Del Queso

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Pacific Time Zone

Pheonix Ascension

19 Mar 2006 at 18:43 - 31

Also, just try using a pure war in random. Have fun having your entire build compromised by one single condition. As for pure war self-heals? Well, heal sig is one of my favorite things to interrupt. It's like a big shiny banner that says "shoot me."

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 18:49 - 32

Warrior skills only to farm, dont need anything else. Paladins have to have will, after 10 minutes its who wants that 25 faction more

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 18:55 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by merciless

Wrong... ever thought of; shock, tigers fury, after shock, holy strike (hmm?)

ever heard of playing a real build?

observe most often high ranked gvg battles and and you tell me... (even my guild doesnt use anymore those old combinations)

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

19 Mar 2006 at 19:59 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by merciless

Wrong... ever thought of; shock, tigers fury, after shock, holy strike (hmm?)

quite funny that you mentioned holy strike O_O

nah good use for a 2nd proffesion on a warrior in gvg has always been w/n which you nevr see , its kind of amazing how much trouble 2 mailaise warriors could do.

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 20:22 - 35

Coming from a Wammo, we are all morons.

I purposefully ran ahead the whole game like most warriors. The only difference between a good warrior and a bad warrior, is that the good ones dont die.

Legacy Virus

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Mar 2006 at 20:27 - 36

actually if you are getting down about PvP or GvG with a w/mo alot of guilds (especially top ranked) are starting to run w/mo with contemplation of purity so they can take the stress of the monks for condition and hex removal, also try hex breaker on a w/me

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

19 Mar 2006 at 20:52 - 37

w/me with hexbreaker and a 15% stanced weapon >>>> w/mo with 15% enchanted
Hexbreaker > remove hex

or w/n with 15>50. Plague touch > mend ailment

DvM

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Vlaardingen, The Netherlands

Survivor Squad[SS]

19 Mar 2006 at 21:48 - 38

Most peopel blame the warriors when aggro fails, while i often encounter casters who dont even know what aggro bubble is for, this is 1 of the biggest problems imho

merciless

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Sin Squad www.sinsquad.us

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 21:53 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

ever heard of playing a real build?

observe most often high ranked gvg battles and and you tell me... (even my guild doesnt use anymore those old combinations)

Ya, I have, but I was thinking more of Team Arena.

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

19 Mar 2006 at 21:54 - 40

I'm going to quote someone on this one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Dei

How the Wammo heirarchy works:

-Alpha-Wammo: Listens to no one in the group, charges in and then blames the group upon dying.

-Higher Wammo: Listens to the Alpha-Wammo, charges in behind the Alpha-Wammo. Agrees with the Alpha-Wammo when they blame the group, when they BOTH die.

-Basic Wammo: Listens to the Monk, a Higher Wammo, or an Alpha-Wammo. Agrees to follow the group plan, but then does whatever the other Wammos say. Has some talent fighting/blocking, but aggros to much, and lets the squishies die. Blames the casters of the group if everyone dies.

Lesser Wammo: Listens to the Monk most, or an Alpha-Wammo when one is available, but ignores the orders of a Higher/Basic Wammo. Is good at Aggroing properly, but let's the squishies die. Blames the individual who messed up if everyone dies, unless it's them or an Alpha-Wammo.

Warrior-Monk: Often looked down upon by higher classes of Wammo as a "noob" or "retard" These W/Mo tend to aggro properly, block properly, listen to the most experienced player in the group, follows plans the best they can, does everything they can to salavge bad situations, appologizes when they make a little mistake, and blames only the person(s) responsible if everyone dies, even if it's them.

Basically explains everything.